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Re: I believe the dice are rigged

Postby Pedronicus on Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:07 pm

wicked wrote:Hey Box! No worries, twill just rigged the dice against the Stache. You understand...

Fucking right!!
I play lots of games with my friends in a clan made up of proven good players. We all play exactly the same sort of game in a 6 player esc. game. When anyone else wins they end up with a nice big pile of 60-100 armies after the snowball effect. I won one last night and was left with 7.
I think Lack had nothing to do with it. Twill has access to the programming of the dice and my finger is firmly pointed in the Twill direction of blame.
I'll probably get a 2 day ban now from the forum. (I'd prefer a 2 day ban from joining games)
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Re: I believe the dice are rigged

Postby xerro on Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:27 pm

Boxcutta wrote:Hello. I have not played here at CC for some time. Now I am back. When I left, I was a paid player and I won a lot of dice rolls. Now I'm back and I am losing a lot more than I win. I believe the dice have been rigged to work against people that aren't paid members and maybe people that are new. This would scare people off so that the people who win a lot of games don't have to worry about new people doing better than them!

I'm not sure if anyone has ever mentioned this before, but this is worth looking into. I'm have a degree from community college in science and I will be examining my dice rolls in the future and checking the statistics with great care.

If you have any thoughts about this phenomenon, I'd love to hear them. Thank you for your time.


my friend went on vacation last year for a week, and i played for him( this is before i got an account), and i noticed that for him, if he used auto-attack, he would get the most amazing dice in his favor, when attacking. im talking about a 6 v. 32 and his six winning..... it was freakin amazing. but for me, i'll have a 32 v. 6 and my 32 will loose when i use auto-attack.... but for me it doesnt matter, cuzz whether i use auto-attack or regular attack, my dice still extremely suck.... :)
and btw, what happend to gabbly??? i liked it.... and can freemiums not do rt anymore through the chat???
when i played for my freind last year, CC was amazing, now everything is better except chat.....
but back to the topic, the dice are extremely annoying.....
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Re: I believe the dice are rigged

Postby Mycroft73 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:35 pm

Damn. Posting a thread complaining about the dice....'bout time somebody spoke up!

What I want to know is who let Kevin Kline in here?
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Re: I believe the dice are rigged

Postby sfhbballnut on Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:37 pm

can we make bringing this topic up (again^nth) a ban-able offense?
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Re: I believe the dice are rigged

Postby IronE.GLE on Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:17 pm

xerro wrote:
my friend went on vacation last year for a week, and i played for him( this is before i got an account), and i noticed that for him, if he used auto-attack, he would get the most amazing dice in his favor, when attacking. im talking about a 6 v. 32 and his six winning..... it was freakin amazing. but for me, i'll have a 32 v. 6 and my 32 will loose when i use auto-attack.... but for me it doesnt matter, cuzz whether i use auto-attack or regular attack, my dice still extremely suck.... :)
and btw, what happend to gabbly??? i liked it.... and can freemiums not do rt anymore through the chat???
when i played for my freind last year, CC was amazing, now everything is better except chat.....
but back to the topic, the dice are extremely annoying.....
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Yeah, that's a big load of hogwash there. 6 vs 32 and winning? Maybe once in a blue moon, but no way that happens with any kind of regularity.


This topic is fucking beat to death already. I've been gone for 7 months and it was old hearing people complain about dice, and now that I'm back it is still old. Get OVER it! The dice don't suck, your strategies suck!
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Re: I believe the dice are rigged

Postby Ditocoaf on Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:24 pm

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random doesn't mean fair. Look at the following two strings of numbers, and tell me which is more random:

145263352164241653

155364536253432124

The first one looks more fair, doesn't it? Turns out that there are exactly three of each number. That's not very random at all, in fact that's dividing the numbers equally. What kind of dice purposely tries to spread things out fairly?
The second one is much more random--I rolled actual dice. Looks as if a lot more high numbers were rolled,especially towards the beginning. That's not fair, if the first half represents the defender, and the second the attacker. The defender would destroy, even with a few armies to the attacker's large force. But it's more random.

Random means unpredictable. Every several turns, there's probably going to be a completely uneven battle. Overall, the defender will get unfair wins just as many times as the attacker will get unfair wins. But it will even out over months, over all the games. It won't even out over one turn. According to randomness, there could be a week where attackers won 8 out of 10 dice rolls. This is very unlikely, but it could happen. That's randomness for you.

If you think about it, how would the dice be unfair? It doesn't use a different number generator for different dice... the attacker gets the random numbers from the same place that the defender does. You get your dice from the same place your opponent does. So unless you're claiming it's on purpose, then unfair dice are just luck, and randomness. It's not fair, but this game isn't supposed to be fair. It's supposed to be random.

The reason that dice seem more streaky to you here than in real life, is because you roll WAY more dice online than in real life. If you just sat around and rolled dice, playing six or seven games of RISK at a time, you'd find these streaks as well. But you don't, because you do it online instead. Personally, I'd be much more worried if I rolled thousands and thousands of dice, and the good rolls were evenly spread out the entire time.

I would suggest that while planning your strategies, you keep in mind that you might have bad luck. Preparing for unpredictable circumstances is part of war, and part of this game.
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Re: I believe the dice are rigged

Postby FabledIntegral on Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:27 pm

Boxcutta wrote:Hello. I have not played here at CC for some time. Now I am back. When I left, I was a paid player and I won a lot of dice rolls. Now I'm back and I am losing a lot more than I win. I believe the dice have been rigged to work against people that aren't paid members and maybe people that are new. This would scare people off so that the people who win a lot of games don't have to worry about new people doing better than them!

I'm not sure if anyone has ever mentioned this before, but this is worth looking into. I'm have a degree from community college in science and I will be examining my dice rolls in the future and checking the statistics with great care.

If you have any thoughts about this phenomenon, I'd love to hear them. Thank you for your time.


Brilliant logic. You know, the site owners, who want to make money, would obviously want to make it so that the new-comers were turned off by the site. I mean, the people who haven't paid money yet... if the site owners can make the site seem as unappealing as awful, they can be guaranteed that they won't pay for premium. This way, they can ensure that the people who have already paid and therefore they've already got the money from will have secure points. And the main reason that the site owners run this site is to ensure point security.
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Re: I believe the dice are rigged

Postby Top Dog on Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:52 pm

Fruitcake wrote:
Top Dog wrote:Some don't believe me but I've just recently been getting a lot more wins from following my method....


Good for you TD....errr a quick question...is this why you have lost 10 out of your last 14 games?


#1 I just realized this last week and since I only had 1 game going my method wasn't being used on any of those games and 7 of them were doodle earth witch I lost all of them because I hate doodle earth (it's just soo addicting...)
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Re: I believe the dice are rigged

Postby Top Dog on Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:01 pm

Fine I'll tell... Random.org uses lines of dice that are pretty much just crossed off and moved on to another line when you roll... it just is that those lines go in streaks good and bad, so it's all about timing. If I start out with a double losses (I can't predict my first roll ever...) then I slowly count to five and so far I've ALWAYS had double wins and then I just quickly attack about 2 more times winning them and then again count to about 5-10 (depending on how fast you count) and then attack again and get double wins again... If I attack and get 1 win 1 loss I know the line is shifting from winning rolls to losing rolls and I count to 10 again before trying...

Try it... it works... just get your own timing down and I win a lot more now (based on just my ONE game I had going when I first posted, as I said I just recently figured this out)
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Re: I believe the dice are rigged

Postby IronE.GLE on Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:34 pm

haha that is a riot TD. At some point you'll realize that all this nonsense is in your head and that you have the power to will the dice to do your bidding. Mind over matter. No tricks, no gimmicks. Just the power to control your reality!
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Re: I believe the dice are rigged

Postby Mycroft73 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:46 pm

IronE.GLE wrote:haha that is a riot TD. At some point you'll realize that all this nonsense is in your head and that you have the power to will the dice to do your bidding. Mind over matter. No tricks, no gimmicks. Just the power to control your reality!


No, it's true. The intuitive insight of TD's mind is greater than the combined computing power of all the Crays hidden in the basement of the NSA. AND he uses The Force.
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