What would happen if the CC Flame Wars forum was removed ?

[trapyoung]

and on a personal note, all i do in my posts in flame wars instead of normal threads is curse, much of my in your face attitude & lovely personality remains unchanged. the only way this will exist is if people aren't going to be banned and warned for flaming outside flame wars because you've removed an outlet.

and all the arguments that itll get worse but then be better in the long run, re-think that position, game chats will still exist & if there's no area to vent, the game chats will be forums for this... and you can't suggest that people's attitudes will become less abrasive; are people going to not run out of time in freestyle to get first start? are CM's going to stop being used? are freak dice occurrences going to done with? will the site stop crashing? will klobber quit playing new recruits only and boast about rank envy? will luke and leia find out they are brother and sister? will lando help the resistance? where will the_lion post as his new multi? have you thought over none of these questions?

[trapyoung]

And to explain my poll answer of other I meant that CHAOS would ensue.

[chaosfactor]

And to explain my poll answer of other I meant that CHAOS would ensue.

Hi There!!

The Real Question Is :-

What would happen if the CC General Discussion forum was removed ?

Would the General Discussion increase, then rise to a peak, then eventually disappear?
Or would all these General D people come over to the Flame Forum and Generally stop us flaming each other

That is the Question!

[Smokingdude420]

honestly I don't saying anything in FW I may go to it once and awhile to get a laugh or two because I find most of the topics in FW funny. But I really don't care if FW is up and running or not. I think CC would have another uprising if you got rid of it and i don't think CC needs another one. I say keep it if you don't like it then don't go to FW no one is making you go there.

[jbrettlip]

Why get rid of something people enjoy, and yet can be avoided by those that don't like it? (Hence drawing no comparisons to a former mod.) It is good fun, although I lurk there more than post. All my posts in that forum were kindly moved there by mods. I simply can't behave.
Leave that wing of the asylum to the inmates. It is soothing to many.

[hulmey]

Flame Wars should stay. Its different & entertaining (DM and The_Lion and Norse are hero and entertaining). Why would you want to close it? Is it bothering you?

Theres always going to be people flaming and trolling in general and all the forums for that matter. By closing the flame wars i dont think the amount of flaming in the normal forums is going to decrease or increase in anyway!!

[edbeard]

Why get rid of something people enjoy, and yet can be avoided by those that don't like it?...All my posts in that forum were kindly moved there by mods. I simply can't behave.

I don't even need to explain why I put your two sentences right next to each other.

Theres always going to be people flaming and trolling in general and all the forums for that matter. By closing the flame wars i dont think the amount of flaming in the normal forums is going to decrease or increase in anyway!!

obviously it'd decrease after an initial increase. those that don't learn will no longer be able to post in the forums. others won't flame elsewhere because of real punishments instead of receiving minor scoldings and being told to 'take it to flame wars'.

[trapyoung]

just to be clear, even though this is a thread about flaming and flame wars, we're still not allowed to flame in here right?

[Smokingdude420]

they opened up the same forum in flame wars you can flame about the question there

[trapyoung]

nobody reads stuff after it's moved to flame wars, if we're allowed to flame in this thread i wanna do it here.

[hulmey]

Why get rid of something people enjoy, and yet can be avoided by those that don't like it?...All my posts in that forum were kindly moved there by mods. I simply can't behave.

I don't even need to explain why I put your two sentences right next to each other.

Theres always going to be people flaming and trolling in general and all the forums for that matter. By closing the flame wars i dont think the amount of flaming in the normal forums is going to decrease or increase in anyway!!

obviously it'd decrease after an initial increase. those that don't learn will no longer be able to post in the forums. others won't flame elsewhere because of real punishments instead of receiving minor scoldings and being told to 'take it to flame wars'.

isnt this meant to be a fun site...People finding flaming fun, so let them have it!! Its not hurting you or anybody else for that matter!! Also can u imagine the amount of bans and warnings and thee increased moderation that would happen if the flame wars was closed?

[Anarkistsdream]

Thank you for the intelligent people who agree.

[trapyoung]

i'd like to refer everyone back to the questions i posed on page 2 of this discussion which seem to have gone unnoticed...

and all the arguments that itll get worse but then be better in the long run, re-think that position, game chats will still exist & if there's no area to vent, the game chats will be forums for this... and you can't suggest that people's attitudes will become less abrasive; are people going to not run out of time in freestyle to get first start? are CM's going to stop being used? are freak dice occurrences going to done with? will the site stop crashing? will klobber quit playing new recruits only and boast about rank envy? will luke and leia find out they are brother and sister? will lando help the resistance? where will the_lion post as his new multi? have you thought over none of these questions?

[edbeard]

isnt this meant to be a fun site...People finding flaming fun, so let them have it!! Its not hurting you or anybody else for that matter!! Also can u imagine the amount of bans and warnings and thee increased moderation that would happen if the flame wars was closed?

I don't really care about it, but others don't enjoy it. It leads to bad behaviour overall.

Increased moderation at first yes. But, in the long run, it'd lower it since the troublemakers would be gone.

There's obviously a maturity level problem which comes up in all the forums. Perhaps since many of the people are just very young.



It's harder to say, "you can do this but only here" and actually have that happen than if you just don't tolerate the behaviour at all.

[Anarkistsdream]

isnt this meant to be a fun site...People finding flaming fun, so let them have it!! Its not hurting you or anybody else for that matter!! Also can u imagine the amount of bans and warnings and thee increased moderation that would happen if the flame wars was closed?

I don't really care about it, but others don't enjoy it. It leads to bad behaviour overall.

Increased moderation at first yes. But, in the long run, it'd lower it since the troublemakers would be gone.

There's obviously a maturity level problem which comes up in all the forums. Perhaps since many of the people are just very young.



It's harder to say, "you can do this but only here" and actually have that happen than if you just don't tolerate the behaviour at all.

But you can;t answer my questions, can you?



Nice to pick and choose, isn't it?

Let me guess... You're a Republican?

[edbeard]

ask the question and I'll answer it.

[hulmey]

isnt this meant to be a fun site...People finding flaming fun, so let them have it!! Its not hurting you or anybody else for that matter!! Also can u imagine the amount of bans and warnings and thee increased moderation that would happen if the flame wars was closed?

I don't really care about it, but others don't enjoy it. It leads to bad behaviour overall.

Increased moderation at first yes. But, in the long run, it'd lower it since the troublemakers would be gone.

There's obviously a maturity level problem which comes up in all the forums. Perhaps since many of the people are just very young.



It's harder to say, "you can do this but only here" and actually have that happen than if you just don't tolerate the behaviour at all.

hmmm the troublemakers would be gone!! Can CC afford to get rid of all the troublemakers? Ive seen all you guys posting here, that have trolled and also flamed outside the forums. Even edbeard in his very polite way

[trapyoung]

You're a Republican?

[mpjh]

I like flamers -- set them free -- if one of the little twits mouths off in my game onto the for list he goes and I never see him again. Its good for us to see the flame side of people, it offers an insight you don't get else where. Get let them go wild and gradually they will get isolated.

[Smokingdude420]

isnt this meant to be a fun site...People finding flaming fun, so let them have it!! Its not hurting you or anybody else for that matter!! Also can u imagine the amount of bans and warnings and thee increased moderation that would happen if the flame wars was closed?

I don't really care about it, but others don't enjoy it. It leads to bad behaviour overall.

Increased moderation at first yes. But, in the long run, it'd lower it since the troublemakers would be gone.

There's obviously a maturity level problem which comes up in all the forums. Perhaps since many of the people are just very young.



It's harder to say, "you can do this but only here" and actually have that happen than if you just don't tolerate the behaviour at all.

who says they would be gone? they could just make multis

[Curmudgeonx]

To bring over a post from the Flame Wars version:

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get rid of it. get rid of that immature behaviour.

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You know, because legislating and restricting behavior has such success in the real world.

I am extremely curious why Cicero is bringing this topic up though. It appears that Lack/Twill have a bigger ax to grind with the recent mayhem. While cleaning moderator malcontents out, let's just clean out all possible sources of conflict.

The game is the game, the forums add depth to a simple site using a simple dice rolling program with simplistic 2-D graphics. Down with flame wars and down the slippery slope it goes, down with certain clans, down with idle chatter which can get heated in the chatter box, and we will only be left with self-aggrandizing holier than thou posts in general discussion regaling us with their medals.

It can be done, and it can be done ruthlessly and effectively, but it will gut what makes this website unique and interesting. My personal opinion is that the thin-skinned mods/advisers who got their feelings hurt over the last month just need to "suck it up cupcake". You all know who you are.

[Curmudgeonx]

I see a couple of colored-names lurking here. Any response Andy, etc. as to the reason why one of your moderators is attempting to float this idea?

[qeee1]

The world would be a sadder place.

[edbeard]

First, no, I'm not a republican. Not a US citizen.

I'll assume that these are the questions you mentioned which appear to be a ploy to get someone to flame you.

How about we try this... Let's use FACTS to state our points as opposed to feelings or conjectures...

I'll start.

Flame Wars would be gone, so flaming would be gone? That's your ingenious peoples' opisions, right? No, but it'd certainly lower it and show that CC doesn't tolerate flaming at all. Currently it's OK to do as long as it's in Flame Wars. To many flamers this means it's ok to do it anywhere because the thread will get moved to flame wars or it's ok to flame until I'm told to stop.

Do the multi hunters stop there from being multis? No. This is not relevant at all. They certainly do lower the amount of multis though.

Do the Suggestions/Bug Reports forum stop there from being problems? No. Again this isn't relevant. Do you want my answer? No, having a place to post about suggestions and bug reports does not, in fact, stop problems. It does solve problems and prevent future ones which is the point of the forum.

Does appointing admins to control the site stop there from being friction? No (Just look at the Twill/Wicked Debacle.). No but they have 'powers' to control the forum and make sure rules are being followed.

Why you people think that just because there is no symptom means the disease would go away is ridiculous? This doesn't make sense. People are saying it will lessen the flaming. Just because you can't get rid of something entirely doesn't mean lowering it is not a good solution. The 'problem' (notice the ' ' marks) is that flaming occurs outside of flame wars. Apparently having a place to do flaming is not good enough for many people. This 'solution' has not worked so a zero tolerance policy is a good way to get rid of flaming. If people want to be part of the forums, they'll stop. If they don't, they'll be gone.

Not to mention, most of you don't go in FW anyway, so why do you care? Honestly, what makes you give a shit about it? For the people that use it, it helps relieve stress that they WILL otherwise take out on the community at large. As I said, I don't really care but others do. And, as I said, flaming is not limited to flame wars. Threads are moved and posters are warned daily. It might be time to get rid of flaming all together. Like you said, people will flame and troll no matter what. It's part of the internet. But, the amount of it can be lessened by setting rules and giving punishment.

And, if it doesn't have direct affect on your life, why post in this thread at all? Where is your own rage and indignation coming from? I don't have any. I'm just stating my opinion which is based on logic and reason. many other people's are not or are based on very poor logic

If people could keep flaming and trolling to flame wars, I'd bet that this issue wouldn't come about and people wouldn't care. That's where the 'people don't have to open flame wars' argument fails. People don't open flame wars but they're confronted with it anyway.

But, it's not just a question of happening outside that forum. Does CC want people flaming at all? It only takes away from the site by reflecting poorly on the people who play the game.

[trapyoung]

all these claims of flaming outside of flame wars... who and where are they?

...most of the frequenters of flame wars stay there, and if flaming does occur outside of flame wars, more times than not, its from someone who doesn't use flame wars. it's ridiculous to talk of removing the forum for the infractions of the few, when those individuals aren't even members of that particular group. even if they were it'd be ludicrous to blame the actions of a few on the whole and to assign the qualities of those few to being those representative of the entire group is equally idiotic and insulting. clans aren't banned when a member is caught for cheating, points aren't reset for unknowing teammates of multi's, you can't use blanket judgments when dealing with groups of individuals and you all have seemed to lump the thread together.

...please post individuals and examples of them flaming outside of flame wars and then of them being an intricate part to flame wars. you won't find it, and that's where this conversation should come to an end.