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Re: What is going on? (blocks)

Postby Mr Changsha on Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:07 am

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Mr Changsha wrote:Those with a genuine moral code don't need to be told not to set up multiple accounts, or not to play in the same games as real-life friends and relatives or not to play speed games on other player accounts, or not to play whole casual games for players. This is so blindingly OBVIOUS to anyone who plays the game in a decent fashion that it doesn't need to be said.

So sitting in casual games is fine but never for speed games??? I really can't see the difference tbh (have never seen a rule that separates them either).



Mr Changsha wrote:True enough as far as it goes but at what point would it become illegal?

All your examples had the aim of the sitter to gain points by playing whole games, so they would certainly qualify.



Mr Changsha wrote:Who is to say that Hulmey didn't specifically ask Maxstasguy to play a game for him in the hope of ending a worrying drop of points?

When you have some facts to back that statement up then I might start taking you serious, atm you're just coming off as accusing someone of cheating because of a grudge. That's just low. [-X


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we only pay 25 dollars a year which is hardly anything

The amount paid is what CC asks for so your opinion about it being "hardly anything" is completely irrelevant here. However CC do have the right to restrict a users access to their services (partly or fully) if that user breaks the rules. In this case they seem to think so and all we (or Hulmey) can do is discuss/influence that assessment.


You know in a seperate thread (I think it was in the cheating abuse forum and related to this issue) maxatstuy explained how his account sitting was simply an act of pure selflessness; he monitored various accounts just in case one of his good friends might miss a turn. There he was, single-handedly saving his friends from missing turns, manfully taking over accounts if someone had to go away on business...it really was very creditable indeed. But then I thought about it a little and realised that no, max was in fact writing utter crap. Very few acts are purely selfless (though that is a seperate debate) and whenever someone claims there actions are, my 'total bullshitometer' just, to be perfectly honest with you about it, starts pinging wildly.

So this is where old hulmey comes into it. As I had stated before I suspect that hulmey is an innocent party in this and also suggested he consider who he makes friends with here more carefully. But maxatstuy is far from innocent in all this and let me tell you why...

Max hates to lose points and therefore doesn't play competitive games. He plays his friends games for them so he can remember the thrill of a proper game without risking those oh so priceless points. That is why lot's of guys were blocked. Hulmey made the regrettable mistake of asking this person to play on his account which was truly stupid given the known history of maxstasguy. As I said I am leaning towards stupidity rather than dishonourable conduct here. My comment above referred to the fact that we don't KNOW that hulmey didn't ask the infamous max to play a game for him and if we didn't know hulmey from the forums (and he has always come across as a decent sort) many would probably assume that is what happened.

Assuming it can be proved that Hulmey wasn't trying to cheat in any way then he should be allowed to play with whomever he chooses to. I am not sure how that can be proved which is why it was seriously stupid to ask max to play on his account for him. It doesn't look good, does it?
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Re: What is going on? (blocks)

Postby Mr Changsha on Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:13 am

Just seem that hulmey has been indeed cleared and I am very pleased to see that is the case.

My comments regarding maxstasguy stand.
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Re: What is going on? (blocks)

Postby hwhrhett on Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:18 am

it seems to me that starting a speed game that you cant finish just seems like a stupid bonehead thing to do.

and nowhere in the rules does it say that babysitting a normal game is allowed.
only in the forum does it say its allowed as long as it isnt abused, and is only for emergencies when someone is on vacation, or cant make their turn in time.

and you should all stop pretending its within the rules, when nobody can find somewhere that says it is.
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Re: What is going on? (blocks)

Postby BENJIKAT IS DEAD on Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:26 am

hwhrhett wrote:it seems to me that starting a speed game that you cant finish just seems like a stupid bonehead thing to do.


every accidently started a standard game that should have been doubles? - or got into an escalating stalemate? - these are the problem speed games
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Re: What is going on? (blocks)

Postby owenshooter on Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:30 am

Subject: MODS- YOU WIN

Twill wrote:OK, first things first:

HULMEY WAS ACCIDENTALLY INCLUDED IN THAT BLOCK. HE WAS CLEARED VERY QUICKLY AFTER BUT THE PM HAD ALREADY GONE OUT MY APOLOGIES TO HULMEY (was that loud enough?)

Second:

Max, we simply said that as a precautionary measure you were being blocked from playing with certain players. That list is one that you have built up over your time here. The only one added to that list was Lanyards. Would you have preferred that we just went ahead and busted you?

THIS WAS NOT A BUST. DO NOT CONFUSE THE BLOCKING OF SEVERAL PLAYERS FROM POTENTIALLY CHEATING TACTICS IS THE SAME AS ACCUSING THEM OF MULTIS

Yes, if there is any doubt that 2 players may be abusing their gaming relationship they will be blocked from play.

If Max would like to appeal the blocks, he can submit a ticket on the help page and a 2nd person will look into it.

Moved to the right forum, closed.

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Re: What is going on? (blocks)

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Re: What is going on? (blocks)

Postby hwhrhett on Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:42 am

BENJIKAT IS DEAD wrote:
hwhrhett wrote:it seems to me that starting a speed game that you cant finish just seems like a stupid bonehead thing to do.


every accidently started a standard game that should have been doubles? - or got into an escalating stalemate? - these are the problem speed games


escalating stalemate? you must mean flat rate or no cards right?

and thats understandable, but i dont think thats the situation here....
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Re: What is going on? (blocks)

Postby BENJIKAT IS DEAD on Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:45 am

hwhrhett wrote:
BENJIKAT IS DEAD wrote:
hwhrhett wrote:it seems to me that starting a speed game that you cant finish just seems like a stupid bonehead thing to do.


every accidently started a standard game that should have been doubles? - or got into an escalating stalemate? - these are the problem speed games


escalating stalemate? you must mean flat rate or no cards right?

and thats understandable, but i dont think thats the situation here....


I did mean escalating stalemate - not common - but very possible.
If you get stuck in a stalemated no cards or flat rate speed game, then you deserve anything you get.
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Re: What is going on? (blocks)

Postby hwhrhett on Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:49 am

BENJIKAT IS DEAD wrote:
hwhrhett wrote:
BENJIKAT IS DEAD wrote:
hwhrhett wrote:it seems to me that starting a speed game that you cant finish just seems like a stupid bonehead thing to do.


every accidently started a standard game that should have been doubles? - or got into an escalating stalemate? - these are the problem speed games


escalating stalemate? you must mean flat rate or no cards right?

and thats understandable, but i dont think thats the situation here....


I did mean escalating stalemate - not common - but very possible.
If you get stuck in a stalemated no cards or flat rate speed game, then you deserve anything you get.


ive played thousands of escalating games, and only stalemate i ever had was on bamboo jack, which i will never ever play again.
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Re: What is going on? (blocks)

Postby BENJIKAT IS DEAD on Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:58 am

hwhrhett wrote:ive played thousands of escalating games, and only stalemate i ever had was on bamboo jack, which i will never ever play again.


I remember it well! but have since been in a fair few stalemates (all on slightly larger maps - Europe, Iberia etc)
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Re: What is going on? (blocks)

Postby hulmey on Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:08 am

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ive played thousands of escalating games, and only stalemate i ever had was on bamboo jack, which i will never ever play again.[/quote]
I was bored at work and thought that i might join a doubles game. I joined the game and then realised it was not a doubles but standard game! There was no way i could possibly finish a standard game before i finished work, which was roughly one hour! Max was the only person online and i asked him i he could me a huge favor and babysit this one game coz i had to leave work.
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Re: What is going on? (blocks)

Postby General Mojo on Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:21 am

I have to say that hulmey, if you do decide to leave CC, i for one will miss you terribly....
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Re: What is going on? (blocks)

Postby King_Herpes on Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:31 pm

Prankcall wrote:Sure it is.This site is the biggest spin doctor there is.They do nothing and the only time they do it is usually half-ass done.Unless its deleting threads then they are all over it.I wouldnt waste my time filing an E-ticket its a joke.I did long ago and got no response.


I also received no response from my E-ticket! They have yet to offer a sound reasoning for this block list. It's about time that it gets addressed. Sounds as if there is a mutiny arising. Mind everyone that E-tickets aren't going to do anything as my brother points out in this thread viewtopic.php?f=6&t=67033. I suggest that we all keep posting in his thread on E-tickets until we get a reasonable answer or Iack there of(pun intended).
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Re: What is going on? (blocks)

Postby Prankcall on Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:05 pm

Start watching speed freestyle games.U will find more potential stalemate games there than anywhere else
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Re: What is going on? (blocks)

Postby KoE_Sirius on Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:08 pm

hwhrhett wrote:
BENJIKAT IS DEAD wrote:
hwhrhett wrote:
BENJIKAT IS DEAD wrote:
hwhrhett wrote:it seems to me that starting a speed game that you cant finish just seems like a stupid bonehead thing to do.


every accidently started a standard game that should have been doubles? - or got into an escalating stalemate? - these are the problem speed games


escalating stalemate? you must mean flat rate or no cards right?

and thats understandable, but i dont think thats the situation here....


I did mean escalating stalemate - not common - but very possible.
If you get stuck in a stalemated no cards or flat rate speed game, then you deserve anything you get.


ive played thousands of escalating games, and only stalemate i ever had was on bamboo jack, which i will never ever play again.

I have played 3 stalemate games on the beloved classic map..Happy memories.Once you get to 999 troops you cant advance,the server slows down and you start to full asleep after 14 hours of play.
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Re: What is going on? (blocks)

Postby jako on Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:51 pm

ive only ever had 1 escalating stalemate on AoR3 i believe. didnt think escalating stalemates existed until that fateful game. :o
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Re: What is going on? (blocks)

Postby Deadly intent on Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:30 am

General Mojo wrote:I have to say that hulmey, if you do decide to leave CC, i for one will miss you terribly....


Ahhhhhh aint that sweet :cry: Well Bumley me ol mucker,i certainly wont, your a moron :lol:
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Re: What is going on? (blocks)

Postby BaldAdonis on Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:24 am

maxatstuy wrote:Are you unable to read BaldAdonis? Babysitting is not against the rules and the babysitting rules exist to define what can be considered within the rules

Me playing for hulmey did not break ANY of the rules. He has to leave and had the choice of either intentionally deadbeating out of the game (which is against the rules) or to have me play for him. There was nothing wrong with having someone else finish up the game and the concept that he was added to the block as a result is absurd.

The 24 hour babysitter rule. You can get someone to sit for your games IF you won't be able to play for 24 hours. In a speed game, this is never the case. So you cheated.

If you can't stick it out in a game, then you lose. Give up. Deadbeat. If they game is going on for so long that you didn't allow enough time for it, then it's a stalemate and won't end without deadbeats or suicides anyways. Think of it like any one of the terribly worthless build games that are going on now, or a contest where players are trying to hold their hand on a car for longer than anyone else to win it. You can't swap with someone else and expect people to allow it.
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Re: What is going on? (blocks)

Postby maxatstuy on Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:58 am

BaldAdonis wrote:
maxatstuy wrote:Are you unable to read BaldAdonis? Babysitting is not against the rules and the babysitting rules exist to define what can be considered within the rules

Me playing for hulmey did not break ANY of the rules. He has to leave and had the choice of either intentionally deadbeating out of the game (which is against the rules) or to have me play for him. There was nothing wrong with having someone else finish up the game and the concept that he was added to the block as a result is absurd.

The 24 hour babysitter rule. You can get someone to sit for your games IF you won't be able to play for 24 hours. In a speed game, this is never the case. So you cheated.

If you can't stick it out in a game, then you lose. Give up. Deadbeat. If they game is going on for so long that you didn't allow enough time for it, then it's a stalemate and won't end without deadbeats or suicides anyways. Think of it like any one of the terribly worthless build games that are going on now, or a contest where players are trying to hold their hand on a car for longer than anyone else to win it. You can't swap with someone else and expect people to allow it.


hahaha, that is very funny because both the mods and administrators disagree with you. It is allowed and it is condoned. Hulmey had to leave for whatever reason and asked me to take over for him. That is perfectly allowed and additionally, he was removed from the block.
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Re: What is going on? (blocks)

Postby Deadly intent on Fri Oct 17, 2008 4:56 am

Yes it may well be in the rules guys but never has a rule been so open to abuse.
Take what Mr Chansha said earlier for example....put simply....

1/ A player joins CC & say makes the rank of cadet
2/ Starts a rake of Speed games,whether they be all at once or over a period of time
3/ in these games he has to leave at some point & asks a friend to play on for him
4/ This friend is a much higher rank & a far better player than the cadet & his oponents
5/ This player then goes on & wins these speed games
6/ The cadet is now a serg 1st class or higher!!

Surely you can see (even if it is allowed in rules), that this is very open to abuse and at the very least should have some form of proper guidlines attatched.
Personally i think the rule sucks & can very easily be taken advantage of to improve rank.
Yes if a player has to miss a few turns it is ok for a player to babysit,but to take over in a speed game for almost the entire game till the end!!....Thats crap man & leaves the door open for untold abuse
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Re: What is going on? (blocks)

Postby hulmey on Fri Oct 17, 2008 6:03 am

Deadly intent wrote:Yes it may well be in the rules guys but never has a rule been so open to abuse.
Take what Mr Chansha said earlier for example....put simply....

1/ A player joins CC & say makes the rank of cadet
2/ Starts a rake of Speed games,whether they be all at once or over a period of time
3/ in these games he has to leave at some point & asks a friend to play on for him
4/ This friend is a much higher rank & a far better player than the cadet & his oponents
5/ This player then goes on & wins these speed games
6/ The cadet is now a serg 1st class or higher!!

Surely you can see (even if it is allowed in rules), that this is very open to abuse and at the very least should have some form of proper guidlines attatched.
Personally i think the rule sucks & can very easily be taken advantage of to improve rank.
Yes if a player has to miss a few turns it is ok for a player to babysit,but to take over in a speed game for almost the entire game till the end!!....Thats crap man & leaves the door open for untold abuse

You really are making a mountain out of a molehill...Im quite sure that because it was just one game there isnt any problem from the mod/admins side. Now if there had been any real abuse (like 10 games or so) then this would have been a different matter.

I really think you need to lighten up and enjoy playing the game without being so negative!
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Re: What is going on? (blocks)

Postby Twill on Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:40 am

That would definitely fall under "gross abuse" of the game and would be dealt with on a case by case basis.

Really, if you're obviously abusing the game, it would be silly to expect anyone to let it go on, even if it was "technically" ok.
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Re: What is going on? (blocks)

Postby hulmey on Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:47 am

Twill wrote:That would definitely fall under "gross abuse" of the game and would be dealt with on a case by case basis.

Really, if you're obviously abusing the game, it would be silly to expect anyone to let it go on, even if it was "technically" ok.

yep, common sense would then prevail :D
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Re: What is going on? (blocks)

Postby Deadly intent on Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:21 am

hulmey wrote:I really think you need to lighten up and enjoy playing the game without being so negative!


I dont need to lighten up me ol Tactics-Classic flat :lol: ,infact if i got any lighter i"d be floating :lol:
And i"m not being negative either.
All i am doing is putting my opinion across that Getting a much better player with a much higher rank to play your speed game for you sucks & that if done cleverly can be open to abuse by the more unscrupulous players thats all matey :lol:
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Re: What is going on? (blocks)

Postby hulmey on Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:12 pm

Deadly intent wrote:
hulmey wrote:I really think you need to lighten up and enjoy playing the game without being so negative!


I dont need to lighten up me ol Tactics-Classic flat :lol: ,infact if i got any lighter i"d be floating :lol:
And i"m not being negative either.
All i am doing is putting my opinion across that Getting a much better player with a much higher rank to play your speed game for you sucks & that if done cleverly can be open to abuse by the more unscrupulous players thats all matey :lol:


to the best of my knowledge its the unscrupulous players who already retain a high rank ;)
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