A proper warning would have been nice

[Kotaro]

Yeah, but what about the rest of the people that got banned with no waarning? Im sure so don't dislike all of our clan members do you?

Dislike? Who said anything about dislike? I got Lulz off teh internetz, is all.

The no warning part kind of sucked, but it's obvious what happened. A few of your members pushed the Admins buttons, and when the Admin lashed out, he had to be fair across the board. Your peoples sig had peoples pictures in it (I would know those ugly mugs anywhere, dayfail), and so, he swiped you guys. It sucks, it made me lulz, and it was easily avoidable. If Owen hadn't pushed Twill, Twill wouldn't have pushed back.

I don't see Twill as the kind of guy that gets off on banning people from the forum. Although I've been wrong before...

[RiskTycoon]

Go Twill !

[Dodo C. Snotts]

I have been trying to resist posting this but can't resist (picture me holding my breathing, and shaking in my attempt to restrain myself like comedian Jeff Dunham's puppet "Peanut").

Since my sig basically shows a whole part of the world... and on GoogleMaps you could zoom all the way in... should I hurry and take it down before I get banned for posting an unauthorized image of all of the millions of people who live there?

...runs off giggling and hides...

[Bones2484]

I have been trying to resist posting this but can't resist (picture me holding my breathing, and shaking in my attempt to restrain myself like comedian Jeff Dunham's puppet "Peanut").

Since my sig basically shows a whole part of the world... and on GoogleMaps you could zoom all the way in... should I hurry and take it down before I get banned for posting an unauthorized image of all of the millions of people who live there?

...runs off giggling and hides...

Epic fail.

[Kotaro]

I have been trying to resist posting this but can't resist (picture me holding my breathing, and shaking in my attempt to restrain myself like comedian Jeff Dunham's puppet "Peanut").

Since my sig basically shows a whole part of the world... and on GoogleMaps you could zoom all the way in... should I hurry and take it down before I get banned for posting an unauthorized image of all of the millions of people who live there?

...runs off giggling and hides...

Epic fail.

QFT

[Megadeth666]

Can I suggest a sig, that the mods can just send, when giving a warning?

[StiffMittens]

I have been trying to resist posting this but can't resist (picture me holding my breathing, and shaking in my attempt to restrain myself like comedian Jeff Dunham's puppet "Peanut").

Since my sig basically shows a whole part of the world... and on GoogleMaps you could zoom all the way in... should I hurry and take it down before I get banned for posting an unauthorized image of all of the millions of people who live there?

...runs off giggling and hides...

Epic fail.

QFT

You two wouldn't know fail if it was staring back at you from the mirror as you rinsed your braces.

[daydream]

haha, so funny
Owen thought he'd push Twill around, and it'd be funny. hecter and timmytuttut88 thought they'd keep pushing Twill, and it would just be a huge laugh.

Maybe, juuuuust maybe, you people should realize that, he's the admin, and stop pushing his buttons for laughs However, I've been laughing at your whole clan now. Good times.

some friend you are, fuckface.

[RiskTycoon]

some friend you are, fuckface.

looking for a warning are ya ?

[Kotaro]

some friend you are, fuckface.

I lol'd again.

[Timminz]

some friend you are, fuckface.

looking for a warning are ya ?

Isn't that what this thread is about?

[owenshooter]

all i did was ask for clarification of a rule which i understood meant that a member can post whatever public/personal info they want to post, wherever they want to post it, but others can't, within this thread (viewtopic.php?f=239&t=74210&start=0):

Don't ever post personal information of other users. Anywhere. Ever. Even if they already posted it somewhere else. This includes posting personal information about a CC user on another site, you will be held accountable here.

so, i thought i could use my pic for my avatar and i could choose to put it in my clan sig, and that was ok... which it should be. to further the confusion, i had no idea DaGip was banned for flaming outside of flamewars by scrawling "cock sucker" on my image. i thought he was banned for using my personal info, my image. so, i was incorrect in assuming what DaGip had been banned for. what any of this had to do with other members of my clan i have no idea. twill has said sorry to them in another thread, but i am unaware if he has sent them PM's. perhaps he should visit our forum again and put up a thread to those that got caught up in his over the top banning of an entire clan. many of whom have never had a warning, and they certainly didn't receive one this time. hell, i didn't receive a warning about personal info within my sig, for that matter.

i guess asking for a rule clarification of a written rule is just too much for a paying member to ask. additionally, had either of the C&A mods i asked about it, known or explained that DaGip was banned for flaming and not personal info, it would have been a sufficient answer. i was not pursuing my own agenda, i was pursuing an answer to what exactly a rule covered. i didn't do anything wrong, i just asked a question about a written rule. guess what? i was banned for posting personal info without a warning and for an additional made up rule that i am unable to find. twill is still my favorite, but this was a huge error and unprecedented on CC... wicked flies around here taking down live chat and still teaches people how to get around the rules with multis, owen asks a questoin... LET'S GET OWEN!!!! WE ARE IN CHARGE!!! HOW DARE YOU ASK FOR A RULE CLARIFICATION WITHIN C&A WHERE RULES ARE CLARIFIED EVERY SINGLE DAY!!!...-0

p.s.-thanks night strike and king achilles for your help in this matter. you guys are still the best. and thanks to twill for admitting his err in judgement to other members of my clan that should not have been caught up in this.

[daydream]

and thanks to twill for admitting his err in judgement to other members of my clan that should not have been caught up in this.

i still dont feel like he admitted anything. he admitted to being petty, thats all. and he keeps telling us that we should be learning the lesson to keep you in line. i've said it once, and i will say it again: this was bs.

[Nephilim]

it all seems pretty simple to me: twill claims owen was pushing and pushing with his pet peeve (owen claims he wasn't so pushy, but also now admits he had the facts wrong). twill threatened owen with the banning of his whole clan, which is a classic style of punishment, as RT noted. usually the whole group knows about the threatened punishment and thus can pressure the one offending person to straighten up. but here twill just left it to owen to decide if he would get his entire clan shitmixed for his behavior.

according to the story, owen kept up with his ways and thus the punishment came down. now, if this version of events is true, then i repeat what i said earlier: i like owen. i like the bandits. hell, one of the them just used my favorite word, fuckface. but if owen is being a pest, the mods can swat him in whatever way they like, so maybe you all should tell him to back off, go take a walk in the park, and get over some very stupid little things.

and also to not worry about complete jackasses like DaGip in the future.

thank you

[owenshooter]

twill threatened owen with the banning of his whole clan, which is a classic style of punishment, as RT noted. usually the whole group knows about the threatened punishment and thus can pressure the one offending person to straighten up. but here twill just left it to owen to decide if he would get his entire clan shitmixed for his behavior.

according to the story, owen kept up with his ways and thus the punishment came down.

not true, i was never told my entire clan would be banned. i was never warned by twill that my clan would be banned. from the time i posted my form in the C&A to the time i was banned, was less than a day. my point was valid enough that king achilles stated in a PM that he would look into it again, and i was satisified. i was never WARNED by twill about my C&A thread or my request for a clarification of the rule. hell, i was never even told WHY DaGip was banned, as i thought it was for his use of my image, and not the flaming. so, no, i was not warned, and i did not continue to press, as you are stating. king achilles gave me exactly what i wanted, a re-visiting of the rules. perhaps twill does not understand that DaGip returned from his ban and put my image back up (which i thought was why he had been banned, and i was incorrect). anyway, twill crossed a HUGE line and owes the bandits a formal apology. i did nothing wrong, and i followed the letter of the CC law and simply requested a clarification from king achilles. i don't think twill understands the chain of events or he may not have been so knee-jerk in his banning of me and my entire clan... the black jesus has spoken...-0

p.s.-as far as DaGip goes. we have exchanged pm's and have both apologized to one another.

p.p.s.-clarification of the personal info rule is still needed, and his threat of banning any of us that continue to use the sig we have ALWAYS flown in the forums is ridiculous and petty. i have nothing against twill, but this is a huge mistake... but hey, he got me!!! wicked is still out there bringing down live chat, but 4 personal images are out of our sig. wicked must be number 2 on the CC list of "things to do"...

[DaGip]

Just a note that Twill did give a warning:

If you want to push the "ban DaGip" line, then go for it, but you are all also sporting his image which as GK points out, puts all of you in a bit of a pickle as well. Yes, there is a difference between using it in your sig and using it insult, but if you make that distinction, Gip has already been punished for the insult which leaves us at an interesting ethical quandary.

viewtopic.php?f=239&t=73685&start=15

and just when everything was pretty much said and done (I believe this is where NOT BANNING people is important), Owen comes back (angry under the assumption that I had already been banned for his avatar use) and files a CA report over an issue that had already been settled.

Now, if the mods hadn't had an itchy ban-DaGip finger and waited a few minutes, I was in the middle of reading the thread that Owen was banned in. I was going to put on my Free Owen Avatar instead of the CockMuncher one and tell the community how stupid it was for the mods to ban Owen for that multi-accusation reprisal, followed by a quick apology for the flame. Because I was banned so soon, it left my statements (and CockMuncher) avatar hanging in limbo, so as any ill feelings that were sprouted were allowed to linger and fester into this tragic fiasco.

If anything, I had asked the mods to let me out of jail for 24 hours so I could get rid of the CockMuncher avatar and write Free Owen along with the appropriate apologies. And then the mods could have put me in jail for the remainder of time that I owed. I do not disagree with my flaming ban. I just think that there are situations that could be quelled if the offending member is given a chance to right a situation and not just thrown into total bannage without the proper communication to the community.

Did Twill need to warn all the players that weren't directly involved with this incident? I would certainly say so. Twill could have banned me (even though I immediately complied with the mods earlier warning) and Owen (and I guess Hecter for pushing the limit) and quite possibly Brett, but for the rest of BPB...they should have gotten a warning.

My personal opinion is that if you have a picture posted, we should be able to copy and use that image in a nonflammatory way. If the picture is of a personal nature to the player, (this is where I failed) another person must ask the proper permission to use such image. (and again, how does one really know if that image is indeed that of the player in question?)

Like Owen's avatar is really fun to fool around with because it's pretty easy to PaintShop and his image does look really cool. I will surely miss using O's avatar now

[owenshooter]

Just a note that Twill did give a warning:

If you want to push the "ban DaGip" line, then go for it, but you are all also sporting his image which as GK points out, puts all of you in a bit of a pickle as well. Yes, there is a difference between using it in your sig and using it insult, but if you make that distinction, Gip has already been punished for the insult which leaves us at an interesting ethical quandary.

i agree/understand everything else you state in your post, except the above. you must remember, this is a warning within a thread that many members of the bandit, had no idea existed. and at the time, i was on a forum ban and was not reading the forums. so, this "warning" occured in a week when i was banned, and i don't think it is reasonable to assume that i saw and/or read this, because i had not seen it until you posted it. most of my "warnings" come via a PM or personal communication with twill, rarely within a thread. anyway, DaGip and i have settled our differences, the rule is still ambiguous, and the bandits still deserve an apology from twill... oh, and wicked took down live chat in a week where i was made out to be public enemy number one... the black jesus has spoken...-0

[Nephilim]

i see that there are conflicting versions of what actually occurred and thus my conclusions are in question.....should i err on the side of caution and believe black jesus? probably best that way.....

[RiskTycoon]

it doesn't matter if he warned you or not that he was going to punish your whole clan ...

here everyone is again jumping up and down about it instead of just taking it like a man and going on with your CC life ....

what good does this thread do besides continue what you have already been doing ?

Look, democracy ends the second you hit that log in button ... if you don't like it then go somewhere else ..... Twill can do what ever he feels is right even if you don't agree .... Go make your own Conquer Club site and you can rule it anyway you want.

[owenshooter]

it doesn't matter if he warned you or not that he was going to punish your whole clan ...

here everyone is again jumping up and down about it instead of just taking it like a man and going on with your CC life ....

what good does this thread do besides continue what you have already been doing ?

Look, democracy ends the second you hit that log in button ... if you don't like it then go somewhere else ..... Twill can do what ever he feels is right even if you don't agree .... Go make your own Conquer Club site and you can rule it anyway you want.

what in my fathers home are you going on about? the OP simply stated that he was banned for an absurd reason without warning, and without the proper steps being followed. period. is ut out of the ordinary to expect a proper warnnig before a ban, for a situation you are not even aware is going on? twill semi-apologized in another thread for going "over the top" and i believe that is quoted in here. so nobody is whining and/or not taking it like a man. if you find gross abuse of power amusing, then laugh on. i think twill is great, and i hold no hard feelings towards him (as i never do when i accept my punishments), but he fouled this one up and a lot of people that weren't involved or aware of the situation where penalized in an unprecedented way... oh wait, did someone just utter, "the stache...?" the black jesus has spoken...-0

p.s.-when you question what a written rule means/encompasses, you shouldn't be banned, period.

[Vace Cooper]

it doesn't matter if he warned you or not that he was going to punish your whole clan ...

here everyone is again jumping up and down about it instead of just taking it like a man and going on with your CC life ....

what good does this thread do besides continue what you have already been doing ?

Look, democracy ends the second you hit that log in button ... if you don't like it then go somewhere else ..... Twill can do what ever he feels is right even if you don't agree .... Go make your own Conquer Club site and you can rule it anyway you want.

Most of us are not really that pissed about the ban, it's the the deal with our signature that we're not agreeing with.

[owenshooter]

it doesn't matter if he warned you or not that he was going to punish your whole clan ...
here everyone is again jumping up and down about it instead of just taking it like a man and going on with your CC life ....

Most of us are not really that pissed about the ban, it's the the deal with our signature that we're not agreeing with.

especially when there is an entire thread of peoples personal images that they chose to post within the forums... my understanding, and i have yet to receive clarification, is that we can post our image where we choose, but others can't. so, as members of the BpB, we can choose to post our image in the sig, and others can't. hmmmm... seems reasonable, right? odd that a sig that has been plastered all over the forums for over a year is now against the law. wow, they sure showed me! i will never ask for another rules clarification on CC. public enemy number one taken care of. maybe now they can deal with the insane ex global mod that just took down live chat on CC's birthday... black jesus has spoken...-0

[Vace Cooper]

especially when there is an entire thread of peoples personal images that they chose to post within the forums... my understanding, and i have yet to receive clarification, is that we can post our image where we choose, but others can't.

Exacty, I didnt want to post that to many times, but that question hasnt been answered yet. Thats why I feel that the BPB are being singled out.

[owenshooter]

especially when there is an entire thread of peoples personal images that they chose to post within the forums... my understanding, and i have yet to receive clarification, is that we can post our image where we choose, but others can't.

Exacty, I didnt want to post that to many times, but that question hasnt been answered yet. Thats why I feel that the BPB are being singled out.

really? the clan wide ban that twill admits was "over the top" wasn't enough for you to think we were singled out? i mean, in a week in which wicked took down live chat for a second much more destructive time, the admins took care of biz by dusting up the bandits... public enemy number one silenced for another 24 hours!!! job well done!! still waiting for a clarification on our sig, and an apology from the big guy for the other members of my clan, not necessarily myself... black jesus has spoken...-0

p.s.-if this absurd ruling stands, they have a lot of cleaning up to do in the forums, starting with the "post a pic" thread...

[Megadeth666]

SINCE THIS THREAD HAS BECOME A JOKE, CAN I ADD MY 2 CENTS?