Freemiums... Only 4 spaces?

by **jonka** on Tue Jun 02, 2009 5:02 pm

I think there should be an option between premium and free, without speed or private games, and maybe 7-10 slots that costs $10-15. I don't want to pay for speed or private games, and I don't need infinite games, i just don't want to wait 4 hours for my next turn.

by **Durrge** on Tue Jun 02, 2009 5:23 pm

heres an idea, what if Freemium get a few additional game slots depending on their rank.

for example when you reach private you have a total of 5 ,then corporal 6 ,Sergeant 7 ,
Lieutenat 8 ,Captain 10, Major 11, Colonel 12, Brigadier 13, General 14,
Field Marshall 15, and Conqueror gets unlimited, seeing how hes well Conqueror

but thats just an idea

by **jesusfreak16** on Tue Jun 02, 2009 6:27 pm

Sounds good.

(off-topic) I get kinda sick of premiums having so many games that they can't keep track of them all and miss some.

by **Woodruff** on Tue Jun 02, 2009 7:19 pm

Durrge wrote:heres an idea, what if Freemium get a few additional game slots depending on their rank.
for example when you reach private you have a total of 5 ,then corporal 6 ,Sergeant 7 ,
Lieutenat 8 ,Captain 10, Major 11, Colonel 12, Brigadier 13, General 14,
Field Marshall 15, and Conqueror gets unlimited, seeing how hes well Conqueror
but thats just an idea

That would really only work to the advantage of those who are map-specialists. Players like me who play every map simply don't get all of the tiny nuances of every map we play like the specialists do, thus the rank doesn't increase either.

I'm admittedly biased (even though I'm not a freemium), but I think this is a negative.

by **GENERAL STONEHAM** on Tue Jun 02, 2009 7:28 pm

Woodruff wrote:
Durrge wrote:heres an idea, what if Freemium get a few additional game slots depending on their rank.
for example when you reach private you have a total of 5 ,then corporal 6 ,Sergeant 7 ,
Lieutenat 8 ,Captain 10, Major 11, Colonel 12, Brigadier 13, General 14,
Field Marshall 15, and Conqueror gets unlimited, seeing how hes well Conqueror
but thats just an idea

That would really only work to the advantage of those who are map-specialists. Players like me who play every map simply don't get all of the tiny nuances of every map we play like the specialists do, thus the rank doesn't increase either.

I'm admittedly biased (even though I'm not a freemium), but I think this is a negative.

I agree. We have too many players who only play one or two maps, to farm for points and rank.

by **apb23** on Sat Jun 06, 2009 2:35 pm

I agree that it should depend on your rank...if you think about it...the higher you get in rank the more desireable it becomes to not only play but join tournaments and clans. Lowers ranks, as said before, are constantly being farmed as well. I think that under 1000 points should have 4, 1000-1199 5, 1200-1399 6, 1400-1599 7, 1600-1799 8, 1800-1999 9, 2000-2999 10, 3000-3999 11, and then 4000 and above 12, unless conqueror, then unlimited. This plan will inspire many people to play more and get their friends to join.

by **owenshooter** on Sat Jun 06, 2009 3:25 pm

apb23 wrote:I agree that it should depend on your rank...if you think about it...the higher you get in rank the more desireable it becomes to not only play but join tournaments and clans. Lowers ranks, as said before, are constantly being farmed as well. I think that under 1000 points should have 4, 1000-1199 5, 1200-1399 6, 1400-1599 7, 1600-1799 8, 1800-1999 9, 2000-2999 10, 3000-3999 11, and then 4000 and above 12, unless conqueror, then unlimited. This plan will inspire many people to play more and get their friends to join.

you mean, "this plan under my current suggestion, will give me more than 4 free games." again, lack gives away more for free than any other site i have ever been on... you should be thankful for all that you are able to do as a freemium around here...-0

by **apb23** on Sat Jun 06, 2009 4:33 pm

Lmao owenshooter...i guess you do not understand the logic in what I am saying. The amount of slots can be tampered with (what I said above was just a suggestion), but the more slots one gets when one succeeds, the more one will want to succeed and thus continue playing. After a while, they will think that 6 or games isn't enough for them. They might then buy preemium (as I have considered doing many times, but haven't because I feel that I am already addicted), or tell their friends about the site. This will definently generate publicity to CC. Also, it will encourage users to join clans, tournaments, etc. Hope this clears up what I said before. I understand your point owenshooter, but even if an extra slot is generated for every 500 points above 1000, or 1000 points of 1000, whichever, CC will be much more popular and exciting.

APB

Just have a question for owen (not trying to create a showdown, just a question for my personal knowledge), does a site like this make a huge profit? And if so, do you think the income would increase or decrease based on the plan above?

by **the.killing.44** on Sat Jun 06, 2009 4:45 pm

I just recieved two emails from grandstrategynetwork.com (another R*SK) clone site, and the first one said:

"Account Inactivity Warning" etc. etc.

the second?

"Update: Now Non-Premium Members have access to Private Messages as well!"

I think that sums up what you freemiums on here have nicely.

.44

APB - it would most definitely decrease and low-rank farming would increase by a ton.

by **apb23** on Sat Jun 06, 2009 4:52 pm

K .44...but a lot of new recruits would also be more persistent and not deadbeat, thus continuing to play on the site. Also, noob farming would not necessarily increase if this plan is put out, as the ability to play more games will decrease the amount of noobs because they will learn much quicker.

APB

by **owenshooter** on Sat Jun 06, 2009 5:01 pm

apb23 wrote:K .44...but a lot of new recruits would also be more persistent and not deadbeat, thus continuing to play on the site. Also, noob farming would not necessarily increase if this plan is put out, as the ability to play more games will decrease the amount of noobs because they will learn much quicker.

APB

just pay the $25 bucks and stop whining/complaining (this is not a flame. pardon me if you take it the wrong way)... you get more on this site for free than you get on any other site, period. hell, you get more on this site for FREE than you get on most other sites with PREMIUM memberships!!! lack is more than generous. and as far as how much this site generates, it isn't my place to ask and i find it tacky when others speculate how much lack makes... instead of speculating how much the site makes and trying to get games for free, spend the time panhandling and come up with the cash...-0

by **Woodruff** on Sat Jun 06, 2009 5:01 pm

apb23 wrote:K .44...but a lot of new recruits would also be more persistent and not deadbeat, thus continuing to play on the site. Also, noob farming would not necessarily increase if this plan is put out, as the ability to play more games will decrease the amount of noobs because they will learn much quicker.
APB

This seems to be circular logic, to me. You're saying that the noobs will learn more quickly because they're getting farmed more often.
I'm afraid I don't see how this is a good thing.

by **owenshooter** on Sat Jun 06, 2009 5:02 pm

Woodruff wrote:
apb23 wrote:K .44...but a lot of new recruits would also be more persistent and not deadbeat, thus continuing to play on the site. Also, noob farming would not necessarily increase if this plan is put out, as the ability to play more games will decrease the amount of noobs because they will learn much quicker.
APB

This seems to be circular logic, to me. You're saying that the noobs will learn more quickly because they're getting farmed more often. I'm afraid I don't see how this is a good thing.

because he'll get more games for free!! don't you see?-0

p.s.-he should start a thread in Suggestions about this, i have NEVER seen it discussed there...

by **apb23** on Sat Jun 06, 2009 5:03 pm

Ahhhh;...not getting my point. My point is that after playing more games (btw..if u play w/ a noob are you automatically farming, I'm sensing that inference) they will gain more experience, and thus quickly become good and no longer be a noob.

by **apb23** on Sat Jun 06, 2009 5:06 pm

owenshooter wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
apb23 wrote:K .44...but a lot of new recruits would also be more persistent and not deadbeat, thus continuing to play on the site. Also, noob farming would not necessarily increase if this plan is put out, as the ability to play more games will decrease the amount of noobs because they will learn much quicker.
APB

This seems to be circular logic, to me. You're saying that the noobs will learn more quickly because they're getting farmed more often. I'm afraid I don't see how this is a good thing.

because he'll get more games for free!! don't you see?-0

p.s.-he should start a thread in Suggestions about this, i have NEVER seen it discussed there...

LMAO!!!! I am currently in 1 active game...w/ it being a 4 player standard. I hardly ever have 4 slots full except for when I am playing in my tournament. I am saying my plan for the benefit of the site.

by **owenshooter** on Sat Jun 06, 2009 5:06 pm

apb23 wrote:Ahhhh;...not getting my point. My point is that after playing more games (btw..if u play w/ a noob are you automatically farming, I'm sensing that inference) they will gain more experience, and thus quickly become good and no longer be a noob.

your point is you want more games for free. my point is, you get more from this site for free than you get at many other sites with paid memberships. if you are unsatisfied with the number of games CC offers you for free, start a thread in Suggs & Bugs to try and change it (good luck, this has been debated countless times) OR you can go to another site that offers you far more games, less maps, crappy game play, and truly horrendous moderation... good luck with all that... i hope you find your online casual gaming site nirvana for freemiums, since this site restricts what it gives you, so severely :roll:

...-0

p.s.-i fail to understand how giving away even MORE than is already given away for free, will entice people to drop money faster for premium. you have the cow, you have the milk, now you want the ice cream and steaks... oh yeah, and for free...

by **apb23** on Sat Jun 06, 2009 5:09 pm

Read my post above owenshooter*

owenshooter wrote:
apb23 wrote:Ahhhh;...not getting my point. My point is that after playing more games (btw..if u play w/ a noob are you automatically farming, I'm sensing that inference) they will gain more experience, and thus quickly become good and no longer be a noob.

your point is you want more games for free. my point is, you get more from this site for free than you get at many other sites with paid memberships. if you are unsatisfied with the number of games CC offers you for free, start a thread in Suggs & Bugs to try and change it (good luck, this has been debated countless times) OR you can go to another site that offers you far more games, less maps, crappy game play, and truly horrendous moderation... good luck with all that... i hope you find your online casual gaming site nirvana for freemiums, since this site restricts what it gives you, so severely ...-0

Couple of things, I just started to post on this thread within 30 minutes ago (or around then). Secondly, IF I WANTED 2 PLAY MORE GAMES THEN WHY AREN'T I IN MORE THAN 1 ACTIVE GAME!!! Thirdly, why would I leave CC? I am satisfied with the way it is now, I only think that it would be better for the site and its players if a plan for slots was created.

by **apb23** on Sat Jun 06, 2009 5:16 pm

Keep in mind shooter that the creator of this thread is a premium member (not putting this in edits b/c there as been a lot of quoting going on and don't wanna confuse people.)

by **Woodruff** on Sat Jun 06, 2009 5:17 pm

apb23 wrote:
owenshooter wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
apb23 wrote:K .44...but a lot of new recruits would also be more persistent and not deadbeat, thus continuing to play on the site. Also, noob farming would not necessarily increase if this plan is put out, as the ability to play more games will decrease the amount of noobs because they will learn much quicker.
APB

This seems to be circular logic, to me. You're saying that the noobs will learn more quickly because they're getting farmed more often. I'm afraid I don't see how this is a good thing.

because he'll get more games for free!! don't you see?-0

p.s.-he should start a thread in Suggestions about this, i have NEVER seen it discussed there...

LMAO!!!! I am currently in 1 active game...w/ it being a 4 player standard. I hardly ever have 4 slots full except for when I am playing in my tournament. I am saying my plan for the benefit of the site.

Yet you haven't shown how it WOULD benefit the site.

You say that giving players more than 4 games would increase their likelihood of their buying premium. I have two counters to this point. The first is...ever heard the saying "Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?"...that applies very well to this suggestion. The second counter is...if someone is getting 6 games for free instead of 4, is that REALLY going to make any difference to their thought process of "if I pay $25, I can get as many games as I want". In my view, the upgrade to 6 games isn't going to make them any more likely to buy premium, because it's not really any DIFFERENT than having 4 games for free.

In addition, this suggestion would MASSIVELY increase the farming that already happens on this site. You claim that simply playing a noob once is farming, which is an interestingly ludicrous statement. That isn't remotely farming and, quite honestly, it's almost unavoidable for some people.

apb23 wrote:Keep in mind shooter that the creator of this thread is a premium member (not putting this in edits b/c there as been a lot of quoting going on and don't wanna confuse people.)

He wasn't when he started the thread, though. You see, he was motivated to buy premium so he could have more than 4 games.

by **apb23** on Sat Jun 06, 2009 5:20 pm

Woodruff wrote:
apb23 wrote:
owenshooter wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
apb23 wrote:K .44...but a lot of new recruits would also be more persistent and not deadbeat, thus continuing to play on the site. Also, noob farming would not necessarily increase if this plan is put out, as the ability to play more games will decrease the amount of noobs because they will learn much quicker.
APB

This seems to be circular logic, to me. You're saying that the noobs will learn more quickly because they're getting farmed more often. I'm afraid I don't see how this is a good thing.

because he'll get more games for free!! don't you see?-0

p.s.-he should start a thread in Suggestions about this, i have NEVER seen it discussed there...

LMAO!!!! I am currently in 1 active game...w/ it being a 4 player standard. I hardly ever have 4 slots full except for when I am playing in my tournament. I am saying my plan for the benefit of the site.

Yet you haven't shown how it WOULD benefit the site.

You say that giving players more than 4 games would increase their likelihood of their buying premium. I have two counters to this point. The first is...ever heard the saying "Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?"...that applies very well to this suggestion. The second counter is...if someone is getting 6 games for free instead of 4, is that REALLY going to make any difference to their thought process of "if I pay $25, I can get as many games as I want". In my view, the upgrade to 6 games isn't going to make them any more likely to buy premium, because it's not really any DIFFERENT than having 4 games for free.

In addition, this suggestion would MASSIVELY increase the farming that already happens on this site. You claim that simply playing a noob once is farming, which is an interestingly ludicrous statement. That isn't remotely farming and, quite honestly, it's almost unavoidable for some people.

If you read my posts...you would see that you are HUGELY mistaken. Not only did I say that the other posters are saying that playing a noob is farming (I GREATLY DISAGREE W/ THAT), but I also said that it COULD increase preemium memberships b/c it would allow players to play more and become more attached to the site.

APB

P.S...if you are posting in this thread, please do your research, some of the stuff is being repeated and falsely quoted.

by **apb23** on Sat Jun 06, 2009 5:21 pm

I did not know that about the buyer and apologize for that (but how do you know who started it other than by looking at the first post?).

by **owenshooter** on Sat Jun 06, 2009 5:39 pm

apb23 wrote:I did not know that about the buyer and apologize for that (but how do you know who started it other than by looking at the first post?).

because he started it with the first post!!! joshyboy went freemium for about 4 days and discovered that the benefits of premium far exceeded the $25 lack asks for... again, if you really think this idea has some merit to it, take it to suggs & bugs... good luck!!!...-0

by **apb23** on Sat Jun 06, 2009 5:41 pm

As I said before shooter...I only started posting in this thread today...I would like to see where it ends up b4 I do anything.

by **JoshyBoy** on Sat Jun 06, 2009 5:48 pm

owenshooter wrote:
apb23 wrote:I did not know that about the buyer and apologize for that (but how do you know who started it other than by looking at the first post?).

because he started it with the first post!!! joshyboy went freemium for about 4 days and discovered that the benefits of premium far exceeded the $25 lack asks for... again, if you really think this idea has some merit to it, take it to suggs & bugs... good luck!!!...-0

My bro Zarg78 was kind enough to buy me