C.C. rule infocesment seems to be falling apart

[jiminski]

For all those poking fun of the rather obvious grammatical mistakes, caymanmew has openly and repeatedly admitted to having challenges with it.

If your poking fun at that, then you're the one that looks bad, not him.

I of course still disagree with the original post though.

You are a gent for diverting the grammatical attack onto you but ...
'you're', Fitzy ..
you could've said "your poking fun makes you look bad, not him"

god i feel terrible but damnit what could i do!?


i have left you some capitalisation and punctuation errors so you can carry on the diversion!

[mpjh]

it seems more people are bitching about bad rule enforcement. this may be due to an increase in bad rule enforecement or a general herd mentality.

eitherway, its not good for cc, the bitching or the bad rule enforcement.

Bitching about rule enforcement is an American sport, and one of our favorite pass time activities. Nothing wrong with that.

[owenshooter]

eitherway, its not good for cc, the bitching or the bad rule enforcement.

hmmm, do you not see that the bad rule enforcement is leading to the complaining/bitching? DM got a perma-ban for simply being too smart and too clever for the mods/admins to deal with. he put egg on their faces one too many times, and was perma-banned for "trolling". come on, anyone in the forums knows DM added to the flavor/colour/originality of these forums. the powers that be are going well overboard with the perma-bans. funny that a person can be perma-banned for expressing themselves in a funny and witty way... but a member that is a serial cheater and abuser of the system is given chance after chance, after chance. the abuse of power that has been on display this past month is ridiculous.

the moderation within the forums has gone overboard, and the banning of DM proves it. i seriously doubt lack knows what the hell is going on within the forums, because it is completely counter to the atmosphere that has been around here for many years. the attempt to sanitize and curtail all discussion counter to the moderators has gone too far. this tiny community is under attack, and everyone that is a regular realizes this. the sad thing is, they will never admit they were wrong in the banning of DM and will never allow him back. even sadder, i was warned of an impending perma-ban for spamming up the general congrats thread. i broke zero rules of the thread or the gd. i contacted andy via PM to discuss it and have it cleared up and have yet to hear back from him. fruitcake acted as a spokesman for the BpB concerning the issue, and was never contacted. there is a one way flow of discussion on this site. it is do as we say, OR ELSE. twill could handle the criticism and knew the flavor/colour of the forums, and understood their organic nature and flow. what is going on now is detrimental to the community. and yes, we are the community, like it or not.-0

[pimpdave]

there is a one way flow of discussion on this site. it is do as we say, OR ELSE. -0

And they don't even always tell you to do as they say, they just ban you, then tell you you were supposed to be doing something that wasn't against the rules until they banned you for it, instead of saying "yo, you can't do that," and giving us a chance to say back "my bad, I'll change it real quick."

We're seldom given that chance to take back something we couldn't have been certain was wrong. And once a warning or a ban has been levied, it GOES ON YOUR RECORD, even if that banning was hasty, bullshit, or clouded with obvious personal vendetta/bias, it counts as BEING OFFICIAL.

Well, that's officially bullshit.

[Fruitcake]

Well, that's officially bullshit.

Well, actually, in this new brave oligarchial collectivist society that cc is turning into, that is officially unoffical bullshit. You had best be careful or the new rulers of our dystopian society will mete out further punishments in their pursuit of repression.

[targetman377]

it seems more people are bitching about bad rule enforcement. this may be due to an increase in bad rule enforecement or a general herd mentality.

eitherway, its not good for cc, the bitching or the bad rule enforcement.

Bitching about rule enforcement is an American sport, and one of our favorite pass time activities. Nothing wrong with that.

That's true bitching about rules and if there are no rules bitching about that then when the do get the rules that just equals more bitching

[Serbia]

His sentence is still missing a semi-colon or a comma.

I was trying to make him feel good.

[PLAYER57832]

Although "nope" isn't really an actual word, but that can be overlooked.

Uh, yes it is...

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nope

[Caymanmew]

can we all stay on topic plaese

[AAFitz]

For all those poking fun of the rather obvious grammatical mistakes, caymanmew has openly and repeatedly admitted to having challenges with it.

If your poking fun at that, then you're the one that looks bad, not him.

I of course still disagree with the original post though.

You are a gent for diverting the grammatical attack onto you but ...
'you're', Fitzy ..
you could've said "your poking fun makes you look bad, not him"

god i feel terrible but damnit what could i do!?


i have left you some capitalisation and punctuation errors so you can carry on the diversion!

well, me you can make fun of for that... whats funny is Im pretty sure i fixed the other your...just never saw the other... further, i even put in an apostrophe, which I usually ignore

[niMic]

Well, that's officially bullshit.

Well, actually, in this new brave oligarchial collectivist society that cc is turning into, that is officially unoffical bullshit. You had best be careful or the new rulers of our dystopian society will mete out further punishments in their pursuit of repression.

Bloody hell

You best go into hiding, Fruitcake, or the CC Deathsquads might come for you.

[JoshyBoy]

Rule enforcement does not seem to be falling apart.

[Fruitcake]

Well, that's officially bullshit.

Well, actually, in this new brave oligarchial collectivist society that cc is turning into, that is officially unoffical bullshit. You had best be careful or the new rulers of our dystopian society will mete out further punishments in their pursuit of repression.

Bloody hell

You best go into hiding, Fruitcake, or the CC Deathsquads might come for you.

Indeed. The sad result is that I truly don't care any more. The forums are steadily being sanitized. The rough and tumble of hard (and sometimes satirical verging on hostile) debate is being suffocated in the pursuit of dumbing down to the lowest common denominator. This, in turn, makes the job of the thought police easier...after all, it is easier to keep docile herbivores in order than wild carnivores.

My subjective view is that the site is being run by the Admin team in quite an awful and poor fashion. I truly believe this will ultimately prove the undoing as many of us paid to be members so that we could support a vibrant and interesting community. What then for cc, when those payers slowly but surely trickle away?

[targetman377]

Well, that's officially bullshit.

Well, actually, in this new brave oligarchial collectivist society that cc is turning into, that is officially unoffical bullshit. You had best be careful or the new rulers of our dystopian society will mete out further punishments in their pursuit of repression.

Bloody hell

You best go into hiding, Fruitcake, or the CC Deathsquads might come for you.

Indeed. The sad result is that I truly don't care any more. The forums are steadily being sanitized. The rough and tumble of hard (and sometimes satirical verging on hostile) debate is being suffocated in the pursuit of dumbing down to the lowest common denominator. This, in turn, makes the job of the thought police easier...after all, it is easier to keep docile herbivores in order than wild carnivores.

My subjective view is that the site is being run by the Admin team in quite an awful and poor fashion. I truly believe this will ultimately prove the undoing as many of us paid to be members so that we could support a vibrant and interesting community. What then for cc, when those payers slowly but surely trickle away?

so if a player is well like that person does not have to follow the rules any more? is that what you are saying?

[Fruitcake]

Well, that's officially bullshit.

Well, actually, in this new brave oligarchial collectivist society that cc is turning into, that is officially unoffical bullshit. You had best be careful or the new rulers of our dystopian society will mete out further punishments in their pursuit of repression.

Bloody hell

You best go into hiding, Fruitcake, or the CC Deathsquads might come for you.

Indeed. The sad result is that I truly don't care any more. The forums are steadily being sanitized. The rough and tumble of hard (and sometimes satirical verging on hostile) debate is being suffocated in the pursuit of dumbing down to the lowest common denominator. This, in turn, makes the job of the thought police easier...after all, it is easier to keep docile herbivores in order than wild carnivores.

My subjective view is that the site is being run by the Admin team in quite an awful and poor fashion. I truly believe this will ultimately prove the undoing as many of us paid to be members so that we could support a vibrant and interesting community. What then for cc, when those payers slowly but surely trickle away?

so if a player is well like that person does not have to follow the rules any more? is that what you are saying?

I am unable to see where, once again, your leap of logic comes from.

[Johnny Rockets]

Your not paying to support a vibrant and interesting community.

Your paying to play a game on a site. As long as the mechanics of the game and the server performance is up to par you have nothing to bitch about.

The forums are gravy on the potatoes. Go to POA if you want your freedom, but this woe is me BPB black flag whining makes you clowns look like fey drama queens.

The rules are what the rules are. Every time you log in you agree to those sets of rules.
If they become enforced to the letter because you or someone you like or a group of you becomes obsessed with pushing the envelope.....time after time after time.....don't be surprised when the host of the party throws you out on your ass.

JRock

[owenshooter]

great post from another thread where the same issue is being discussed... the fact that DM didn't break a rule to earn his perma-ban is a joke. the fact that CC "morphed" all his previous punishments into one crime, is a joke. and again, where are these new punishment guidelines listed and when were they created? night strike claims there was a public thread with input from the "community" and i have yet to find it or be linked to it. this is from the FREDVIII thread where he was given a perma-ban for his first punishment for in game chat, that was considered offensive. his first offense for said offense and he was given a perma-ban. how many times has codeblue been busted for the same thing, and is still around? the punishments around here do not fit the crimes, and they are not handed out evenly. rolling up all of Fred's infractions and tossing them on top of a completely different issue is just wrong. i'm not defending anything fred did in the past, i am only stating that his first offense for swearing in game chat was not grounds for a perma-ban, and none of his other infractions should have been considered in the matter.

Subject: FREDVIII [Permanent Website Vacation]

Everybody keeps yelling about "this is just swearing" and how that's not breaking the rules. Apparently, the presumption is that Fred didn't devolve past that into routinely abusive behavior. Why is that so easy to overlook for all of you?

Uh, yeah. Hence his Forum and Live Chat bans, which SUIT THE CRIME. But the perma-ban for something breaking the rules cannot fit the crime, because there is none! I said it before — if he made some abuse of the game, I would see nothing wrong with his ban because he would've broken the rules, and tied with his previous punishments it would make sense. But because he didn't break any rules it doesn't make sense for him to have been perma-banned. Just because he has had punishments other than warnings for game chat (which he has none, I might add) does not make it okay for an "offense" that isn't really one to force him into a perma-ban.

Previous punishments cannot morph a legal action into a crime.

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[Fruitcake]

Your not paying to support a vibrant and interesting community.

Your paying to play a game on a site. As long as the mechanics of the game and the server performance is up to par you have nothing to bitch about.

The forums are gravy on the potatoes. Go to POA if you want your freedom, but this woe is me BPB black flag whining makes you clowns look like fey drama queens.

The rules are what the rules are. Every time you log in you agree to those sets of rules.
If they become enforced to the letter because you or someone you like or a group of you becomes obsessed with pushing the envelope.....time after time after time.....don't be surprised when the host of the party throws you out on your ass.

JRock

Now now, your limited horizons are showing. This is not a BPB driven event, the threads are not about the BPBs and were not started by them.

Please accept this in a reasonable spirit, I have avoided open insulting as you have done (I thought this was exactly the kind of thing that wasn't allowed?)

[StiffMittens]

Your not paying to support a vibrant and interesting community.

Your paying to play a game on a site. As long as the mechanics of the game and the server performance is up to par you have nothing to bitch about.

The forums are gravy on the potatoes. Go to POA if you want your freedom, but this woe is me BPB black flag whining makes you clowns look like fey drama queens.

In reality, all the forum users are providing a service to conquerclub.com by supporting a vibrant online community. This then becomes something of a selling point that helps attract and keep paying customers (granted, the gaming is the main selling point, but the forum does add to it). If the mods impede this process too much they are doing their bosses a disservice. If they completely relinquish control, the forum will degenerate into annoying nonsense and not serve anyone's interests.

The rules are what the rules are. Every time you log in you agree to those sets of rules.
If they become enforced to the letter because you or someone you like or a group of you becomes obsessed with pushing the envelope.....time after time after time.....don't be surprised when the host of the party throws you out on your ass.

JRock

Even if you grant this statement as true (and there are very plausible arguments to not do that), just because the rules are what they are does not mean that they are good for anybody (users and mods alike). So why not discuss this incident in depth and look for a better way to run things? Especially since there are reasonable questions about the consistency with which the rules are enforced.

[owenshooter]

The rules are what the rules are. Every time you log in you agree to those sets of rules.

seems to me that the community recently changed a very major rule. we forced a change in the bigotry guidelines, which andy headed up with a wonderful effort to listen/debate/understand and then act upon all the various opinions and input. where you involved in that debate or thread? the community does matter around here, and the community shapes the organic flow of the forums. true, the rules are what the rules are. but when the community stands up and demands a change, it is wise for the powers that be to listen. often times, it is the users that understand what is going on within the forums, far better than the admins or mods...-0

[niMic]

Even if you grant this statement as true (and there are very plausible arguments to not do that), just because the rules are what they are does not mean that they are good for anybody (users and mods alike). So why not discuss this incident in depth and look for a better way to run things? Especially since there are reasonable questions about the consistency with which the rules are enforced.

This is a good idea. Unfortunately, some people are trying their hardest to alienate the CC Staff and put their backs up. I haven't followed the entire thing from the start, but it's very possible the CC staff could or should have been more forthcoming. But I truly doubt they will be now, the way people have had a go at them lately. The best thing to do here is just to let this matter die down, and calm down. When everyone isn't so focused on throwing insults, then it might be a good idea to have a proper discussion, and hopefully not have it descend into the melee this has become.

[Fruitcake]

I haven't followed the entire thing from the start,

yet you feel qualified to throw your opinions about on the matter.

[niMic]

I haven't followed the entire thing from the start,

yet you feel qualified to throw your opinions about on the matter.

I most certainly do. If you had paid any attention (ironic, considering what you just chastised me for), you'd see that I've repeatedly admitted that the CC staff aren't faultless in this. They probably aren't. Some of them definitely haven't helped the matter by becoming involved in the "melee". But I don't have to have observed the whole process to be able to point out the hysteria levels seem to have risen by the day. Do you really think comparisons to the Nazis and the Politburo are valid? You don't see how that could just further put their backs up, and make them even less likely to listen to your arguments (however well founded they may or may not be)?

[Fruitcake]

I haven't followed the entire thing from the start,

yet you feel qualified to throw your opinions about on the matter.

I most certainly do. If you had paid any attention (ironic, considering what you just chastised me for), you'd see that I've repeatedly admitted that the CC staff aren't faultless in this. They probably aren't. Some of them definitely haven't helped the matter by becoming involved in the "melee". But I don't have to have observed the whole process to be able to point out the hysteria levels seem to have risen by the day. Do you really think comparisons to the Nazis and the Politburo are valid? You don't see how that could just further put their backs up, and make them even less likely to listen to your arguments (however well founded they may or may not be)?

The problem is they do not listen when we are reasonable. If they did then these threads would not be running on.

[niMic]

I haven't followed the entire thing from the start,

yet you feel qualified to throw your opinions about on the matter.

I most certainly do. If you had paid any attention (ironic, considering what you just chastised me for), you'd see that I've repeatedly admitted that the CC staff aren't faultless in this. They probably aren't. Some of them definitely haven't helped the matter by becoming involved in the "melee". But I don't have to have observed the whole process to be able to point out the hysteria levels seem to have risen by the day. Do you really think comparisons to the Nazis and the Politburo are valid? You don't see how that could just further put their backs up, and make them even less likely to listen to your arguments (however well founded they may or may not be)?

The problem is they do not listen when we are reasonable. If they did then these threads would not be running on.

I agree, and this is part of the problem. But I maintain that the other part of it is that people are now freely taking potshots at them. They'll hardly be likely to listen to reasonable arguments when everyone and their pet have a go at them, even when they calmly try to make some points. I just think that at some point, people need to realize that they are part of the problem right now.