Fractured America...

[ben79]

Awesome map. I think it's great. Doesn't need censorship, as it's a fictional account of what the US might look like in 40 years. Orwell's 1984 turned out to not be true. Just like this will almost certainly not happen. But it's all in good fun.

totally agree
can the people who complained about that map post here so we can tell them they are stupid to think that a fictional map on an internet risk site is wrong

they should probably re-think again

awesome map by the way looking foward to play it

[lord voldemort]

Awesome map. I think it's great. Doesn't need censorship, as it's a fictional account of what the US might look like in 40 years. Orwell's 1984 turned out to not be true. Just like this will almost certainly not happen. But it's all in good fun.

i don't know about that i come here for my 2 minute hate

what's the deal with 88's all over the map is that a reference to adolf????

army placement test

why yellow and why 88 then?????
don't think all of us are ignorant

but i do like the map with or without changes

no idea why yellow, and 88 is the number required by the foundry as its the biggest (as in pixel size) double digit number, they also do 888 as well. Usually they are in different colours. The 88's have nothing to do with map or gameplay apart from checking the coordinates are in the correct place

[Timminz]

Why don't you give me some reasons why my poll is "ridiculous" otherwise you are just stating a garbage opinion.

The poll is ridiculous because the options are garbage, and will never give any accurate data. There are a few reasons, but I figure the easiest one for you to understand would be that you've provided options that could easily have people agreeing with more than one, yet made it possible to pick only one.

If you really needed that pointed out to you, you're stupider than I thought. Either that or you just had no real defense for your garbage poll, and figured you'd deflect any criticisms through insult. Whichever it is, it's a pathetic display. I would say I expect more from you, but everyone would know I was lying.

[jefjef]

On the latest version, not the one -0 & crew are waving, the Rebublican bonus is the elephant.

Change the democratic (drop socialist part of it) and use the dem donkey.

California.. Make it movie/Hollywood affiliated.

Bible belt. Change it to the Libertarian party.

Done. No religious affiliations or mis-represented political affiliations.

Nothing for anyone to cry about anymore.

[hwhrhett]

the map looks awesome, i cant wait to play it, does seem like there is a good bit of political incorrectness, lol. perhaps a bit of racist undertones to parts, but no more than some of the other maps that have made it through..

if they get rid of

references to western liberal states as 'islamic'.
references to eastern liberal states as 'socialist'

it should be much easier to slide through...

of course they could go the other way, and label the republican states in a derogatory manor also, that would probably even things out...

of course i dont give a shit, but i certainly can see how someone could get upset over it...

[hwhrhett]

of course they could go the other way, and label the republican states in a derogatory manor also, that would probably even things out...

the more i think about this, i like this idea of mine, lol.

the republic of texas should be renamed 'rebel flag america'
and the republican states should be renamed 'cornfields'

ooh ooh, and just because i amuse myself we should have him rename 'mormons' to be 'new jerusalem' and louisianna should be renamed 'the swamp' and 'bible belt' should be renamed 'shotgun island'.



and i just noticed, how come all the conservative areas kept their state names, but all the liberal areas got new names like 'new fallujah'?

[sully800]

My opinion is that the need for this map was filled years ago with USApocalypse. This map is the same premise on the same geography, but it seems to lack the creativity of the original. The title looks very nice, but the theme and execution seems to lack originality.

[phantomzero]

My opinion is that the need for this map was filled years ago with USApocalypse. This map is the same premise on the same geography, but it seems to lack the creativity of the original. The title looks very nice, but the theme and execution seems to lack originality.

Agreed. It seems the mapmaker has some skills and that these would be better used on another map. How many USA/North America maps do we need?

[jefjef]

My opinion is that the need for this map was filled years ago with USApocalypse. This map is the same premise on the same geography, but it seems to lack the creativity of the original. The title looks very nice, but the theme and execution seems to lack originality.

Agreed. It seems the mapmaker has some skills and that these would be better used on another map. How many USA/North America maps do we need?

Graphically & size wise this map is a lot better that the apocalypse map. I would much rather play this one. (no offense to the apoc map maker intended)

As far as another USA map this one has it's own game play. Different strategies etc...

[phantomzero]

My opinion is that the need for this map was filled years ago with USApocalypse. This map is the same premise on the same geography, but it seems to lack the creativity of the original. The title looks very nice, but the theme and execution seems to lack originality.

Agreed. It seems the mapmaker has some skills and that these would be better used on another map. How many USA/North America maps do we need?

Graphically & size wise this map is a lot better that the apocalypse map. I would much rather play this one. (no offense to the apoc map maker intended)

As far as another USA map this one has it's own game play. Different strategies etc...

I also agree that this map looks better and does have it's own game play.

[owenshooter]

hey, i just questioned the clear bigotry within the map, both versions. mrbenn is going to review it, and make a decision, that is all i asked for. however, i do agree with sully that the map isn't anything spectacular or different from the other US maps we have, and offers very little in a difference of game play other than the questionable names on the map...-0

[jonesthecurl]

I think the general idea is that people wish it was more creative. And creative liberties are all well and good, but this isn't an art gallery, and if someone made a Fractured Britain map and called the Scotland bonus "sheepshagging wankers"... actually, that would be funny. The point being, if you're going to do a futuristic map, have it make some kind of sense logically.

the welsh take twice as many! don't let them tell you otherwise

The welsh only shag sheep when they want a more intelligent alternative to English tourists.

[Symmetry]

I think the general idea is that people wish it was more creative. And creative liberties are all well and good, but this isn't an art gallery, and if someone made a Fractured Britain map and called the Scotland bonus "sheepshagging wankers"... actually, that would be funny. The point being, if you're going to do a futuristic map, have it make some kind of sense logically.

the welsh take twice as many! don't let them tell you otherwise

The welsh only shag sheep when they want a more intelligent alternative to English tourists.

Typical Welsh attitude- low opinion of the English, high opinion of the sheep.

It made me laugh

[targetman377]

i think this is a good idea and i really want to play this map. some people need to just loosen up.

[porkenbeans]

I guess since I was the one that sparked off this argument, I will try to explain w/out flaming, the reason for my anger.
Most Americans' feel a sense of pride for the stars and stripes. This goes all the way back to our early days in grammar school, as we all stood at attention and placed our hand on our hearts, to say the pledge of allegiance. This pride that we learned early on, has carried through as we grew up, as each of us has gravitated to the right or the left, politically.
It is NOT right, or humorous, to try to steal the right to this pride, by one side or the other. I find it very hard to believe that any American would NOT understand this. And I believe it to be disingenuous when I read comments that say, It is no big deal, it's only a game. Get over it etc...
Just stop for a moment and walk in the others shoes. How would you feel if a map was started that depicted the heartland as Nazi-republicans, or GOP Clan ? and went on to show the Democrats as the holder of the Stars and Stripes, fighting to save the republic ?
Some may find that funny and see no problem with it. I would NOT be one of them, as I do not cotton to humor that is at another 's expense.
While I do apologize for my poor choice of words, I am in no way sorry for bringing attention to this matter. I am surprised that it went on as long as it did w/out a mod intervening.

[obliterationX]

Let's take back what was once ours, lads!

[porkenbeans]

Well it is close to being even to the people who think it is bigoted to those that do not.
I maintain that the number that thinks it is not, do not matter when calculating if it is or not, because There are obviously many people that ARE offended. Therefore By definition it is offensive, no matter how many bigots say otherwise.

[jonesthecurl]

I think the general idea is that people wish it was more creative. And creative liberties are all well and good, but this isn't an art gallery, and if someone made a Fractured Britain map and called the Scotland bonus "sheepshagging wankers"... actually, that would be funny. The point being, if you're going to do a futuristic map, have it make some kind of sense logically.

the welsh take twice as many! don't let them tell you otherwise

The welsh only shag sheep when they want a more intelligent alternative to English tourists.

Typical Welsh attitude- low opinion of the English, high opinion of the sheep.

It made me laugh

get flocked.

[isaiah40]

On the latest version, not the one -0 & crew are waving, the Rebublican bonus is the elephant.

Change the democratic (drop socialist part of it) and use the dem donkey.

California.. Make it movie/Hollywood affiliated.

Bible belt. Change it to the Libertarian party.

Done. No religious affiliations or mis-represented political affiliations.

Nothing for anyone to cry about anymore.

Thanks jefjef. Would anyone be opposed to renaming to these suggestions? I'm in favor considering I didn't think there would be this kind of uproar over a futuristic map. If I had map the map for modern day, I would not have chosen those names.

By the way thnobodies has forwarded a copy of my new revision to iancanton and Mr.Benn and telling them of my desire to see this through by changing those "offensive" names to the minority (those that posted in the thread). So hopefully I will hear something soon.

To everyone, who has supported me I say thank you. The time has come to make changes to the map as so not to offend others in the future, this is the type of person I am. Again thank you for your support and let's get this map going again.

[porkenbeans]

I am glad that you can appreciate the reasons for the oppositions to this map. I would be glad to see this map go forward w/out the demonizing. I must warn you though, the boundaries and sizes of the different bonus areas, will need to be debated. I think that you are pushing an unrealistic and personally ideological view here as well. Demographic trends for example, just do not support your layout of this possible future. I would enjoy debating these facts w/out the personal agendas. You may want to reconsider doing this map, as it may end up being something that you would NOT like to see.

[isaiah40]

I am glad that you can appreciate the reasons for the oppositions to this map. I would be glad to see this map go forward w/out the demonizing. I must warn you though, the boundaries and sizes of the different bonus areas, will need to be debated. I think that you are pushing an unrealistic and personally ideological view here as well. Demographic trends for example, just do not support your layout of this possible future. I would enjoy debating these facts w/out the personal agendas. You may want to reconsider doing this map, as it may end up being something that you would NOT like to see.

So you wouldn't mind just Democrats, Republicans and Let's say Hollywood for now? Demographic trends do chance so I think for now they will stay that way. I was planning on redrawing a couple of the boundaries. So for now we will have to wait until Mr.Benn unlocks the thread.

[porkenbeans]

I am glad that you can appreciate the reasons for the oppositions to this map. I would be glad to see this map go forward w/out the demonizing. I must warn you though, the boundaries and sizes of the different bonus areas, will need to be debated. I think that you are pushing an unrealistic and personally ideological view here as well. Demographic trends for example, just do not support your layout of this possible future. I would enjoy debating these facts w/out the personal agendas. You may want to reconsider doing this map, as it may end up being something that you would NOT like to see.

So you wouldn't mind just Democrats, Republicans and Let's say Hollywood for now? Demographic trends do chance so I think for now they will stay that way. I was planning on redrawing a couple of the boundaries. So for now we will have to wait until Mr.Benn unlocks the thread.

Not at all. Proper names are at the root of this controversy. The other items that need to be debated are not just limited to the names. For example, why do you feel the need to split up the Dems into smaller and separate groups ?
And yes, demographic groups DO change. That is my point. Population growths can be determined with much accuracy. And along with it so can party affiliations of these groups.
The future does not look anything like your map if you consider these projections. so, the real question is, Do you want to make a map that projects the future with some kind of accuracy, or just your own wishful thinking ?

It is my contention that the backlash that we are seeing today is a direct result of people looking at these projections, ...and NOT liking what they see.

[isaiah40]

Not at all. Proper names are at the root of this controversy. The other items that need to be debated are not just limited to the names. For example, why do you feel the need to split up the Dems into smaller and separate groups ?
And yes, demographic groups DO change. That is my point. Population growths can be determined with much accuracy. And along with it so can party affiliations of these groups.
The future does not look anything like your map if you consider these projections. so, the real question is, Do you want to make a map that projects the future with some kind of accuracy, or just your own wishful thinking ?

It is my contention that the backlash that we are seeing today is a direct result of people looking at these projections, ...and NOT liking what they see.

This map is like a science fiction movie, book or what have you. It could happen, but the probability of it happening, No! I have taken things I hear out here on the road and have incorporated them into this map. SO these ideas are rally not my own they are a cross section of how the American people are feeling right now. Let's take the Aztalan Empire for instance. There is a group named La Raza (by the way our new US Supreme court justice Sotomayer is a CURRENT standing member of this group) wants to reclaim the lands they lost in the Spanish-American war. I just used that as a possibility of them taking over what I drew in. (they actually would like to take over a much larger portion if the US). I didn't hear any complaints about Texas taking over from Missouri on over to Arizona. One person said I was being racist about The Outfit and the Italian flag. In this case I just used a known group which is called The Outfit (you know Al Capone?) and put them in control around Lake Michigan. Again is that possible, yes, but will it happen, NO! It is all based on a far reaching possibility, so what is wrong with having a non-real map on CC? I see a couple of maps that are based on books, 1 space map and only 2 futuristic maps - US Apocalypse and Global Warming. What is wrong with having another futuristic map based on political/religious factions (and I'm talking about the radical factions not the middle of the road factions) grabbing control of the country?

I say nothing! So in answer to your question is it your own wishful thinking? No, I am as patriotic as the next American. I do not want to see this country become fragmented. I do however want to see the government take more responsibility.

So again this is a probability map not a map based on demographics in the future. Hope this helps make it clearer.

[porkenbeans]

Not at all. Proper names are at the root of this controversy. The other items that need to be debated are not just limited to the names. For example, why do you feel the need to split up the Dems into smaller and separate groups ?
And yes, demographic groups DO change. That is my point. Population growths can be determined with much accuracy. And along with it so can party affiliations of these groups.
The future does not look anything like your map if you consider these projections. so, the real question is, Do you want to make a map that projects the future with some kind of accuracy, or just your own wishful thinking ?

It is my contention that the backlash that we are seeing today is a direct result of people looking at these projections, ...and NOT liking what they see.

This map is like a science fiction movie, book or what have you. It could happen, but the probability of it happening, No! I have taken things I hear out here on the road and have incorporated them into this map. SO these ideas are rally not my own they are a cross section of how the American people are feeling right now. Let's take the Aztalan Empire for instance. There is a group named La Raza (by the way our new US Supreme court justice Sotomayer is a CURRENT standing member of this group) wants to reclaim the lands they lost in the Spanish-American war. I just used that as a possibility of them taking over what I drew in. (they actually would like to take over a much larger portion if the US). I didn't hear any complaints about Texas taking over from Missouri on over to Arizona. One person said I was being racist about The Outfit and the Italian flag. In this case I just used a known group which is called The Outfit (you know Al Capone?) and put them in control around Lake Michigan. Again is that possible, yes, but will it happen, NO! It is all based on a far reaching possibility, so what is wrong with having a non-real map on CC? I see a couple of maps that are based on books, 1 space map and only 2 futuristic maps - US Apocalypse and Global Warming. What is wrong with having another futuristic map based on political/religious factions (and I'm talking about the radical factions not the middle of the road factions) grabbing control of the country?

I say nothing! So in answer to your question is it your own wishful thinking? No, I am as patriotic as the next American. I do not want to see this country become fragmented. I do however want to see the government take more responsibility.

So again this is a probability map not a map based on demographics in the future. Hope this helps make it clearer.

I say nothing! So in answer to your question is it your own wishful thinking? No, I am as patriotic as the next American. I do not want to see this country become fragmented. I do however want to see the government take more responsibility.
I think that you are being a bit disingenuous here. The fact is, there is a growing fear in our country of the projections that I referred to before. That coupled with the loss of the White House to a non-white, is like a big wake up moment to these projections. And weather you are conscious of it or not, your map has expressed the angst of many whites today, that we are loosing our country and need to band together to take it back. If this map is to be one that feeds this hysteria, I will not contribute my time to it. However if you really want to make a map that speaks to a more realistic future, I will be happy to do so.

[jefjef]

Not at all. Proper names are at the root of this controversy. The other items that need to be debated are not just limited to the names. For example, why do you feel the need to split up the Dems into smaller and separate groups ?
And yes, demographic groups DO change. That is my point. Population growths can be determined with much accuracy. And along with it so can party affiliations of these groups.
The future does not look anything like your map if you consider these projections. so, the real question is, Do you want to make a map that projects the future with some kind of accuracy, or just your own wishful thinking ?

It is my contention that the backlash that we are seeing today is a direct result of people looking at these projections, ...and NOT liking what they see.

This map is like a science fiction movie, book or what have you. It could happen, but the probability of it happening, No! I have taken things I hear out here on the road and have incorporated them into this map. SO these ideas are rally not my own they are a cross section of how the American people are feeling right now. Let's take the Aztalan Empire for instance. There is a group named La Raza (by the way our new US Supreme court justice Sotomayer is a CURRENT standing member of this group) wants to reclaim the lands they lost in the Spanish-American war. I just used that as a possibility of them taking over what I drew in. (they actually would like to take over a much larger portion if the US). I didn't hear any complaints about Texas taking over from Missouri on over to Arizona. One person said I was being racist about The Outfit and the Italian flag. In this case I just used a known group which is called The Outfit (you know Al Capone?) and put them in control around Lake Michigan. Again is that possible, yes, but will it happen, NO! It is all based on a far reaching possibility, so what is wrong with having a non-real map on CC? I see a couple of maps that are based on books, 1 space map and only 2 futuristic maps - US Apocalypse and Global Warming. What is wrong with having another futuristic map based on political/religious factions (and I'm talking about the radical factions not the middle of the road factions) grabbing control of the country?

I say nothing! So in answer to your question is it your own wishful thinking? No, I am as patriotic as the next American. I do not want to see this country become fragmented. I do however want to see the government take more responsibility.

So again this is a probability map not a map based on demographics in the future. Hope this helps make it clearer.

I say nothing! So in answer to your question is it your own wishful thinking? No, I am as patriotic as the next American. I do not want to see this country become fragmented. I do however want to see the government take more responsibility.
I think that you are being a bit disingenuous here. The fact is, there is a growing fear in our country of the projections that I referred to before. That coupled with the loss of the White House to a non-white, is like a big wake up moment to these projections. And weather you are conscious to it or not, your map has expressed the angst of many whites today, that we are loosing our country and need to band together to take it back.

Hey porkbean,

If all the names were all sanitized like those of the Apocalypse map would you have a problem with Isaiah or allowing the map to proceed or are there other agendas at work here?