The current conquerers are over rated

[alster]

It is a bit of a shame that CC doesn't have a conqueror that either plays standard games against high level competition or plays trips and quads against well-matched oppostion.

It seems that standard escalating players cannot get beyond 3,500 (at least sequentially, though the freestyle speed 8 mans did allow + 5,000 scores...why aren't these games still being played? Weren't all those players blocked?), while the standard trips/quads players also struggle to get beyond 4,000 as well.

So we are left with the freestyle 1vs1 merchants. I'm sure they are perfectly capable of remaining +3,500 playing 'more legitimate' styles, but they can make these scores from freestyle 1vs1's so they do.

Human nature.

But it is, as I said, a shame.

However I am not sure it really matters in the great scheme of things. For most of CC, being on the first page is a solid indicator of skill, making 3,000 a genuine achievement. If one player makes 3,000 from playing freestyle 1vs1 and another does it from standard escalating 6-8 man games, they may have same scoreboard position but it is up to us to decide who is the more talented player.

Subjective of course.

So just as we must consider the score as well as how it was achieved for any player we encounter, so we must do the same when judging a field marshall or a conqueror. Some have been more deserving than others and some have therefore got more respect than others for their achievement.

Ok, so what you're saying is that beauty is in the eye of the beholder? I think that's a nice idea.

[Mr Changsha]

It is a bit of a shame that CC doesn't have a conqueror that either plays standard games against high level competition or plays trips and quads against well-matched oppostion.

It seems that standard escalating players cannot get beyond 3,500 (at least sequentially, though the freestyle speed 8 mans did allow + 5,000 scores...why aren't these games still being played? Weren't all those players blocked?), while the standard trips/quads players also struggle to get beyond 4,000 as well.

So we are left with the freestyle 1vs1 merchants. I'm sure they are perfectly capable of remaining +3,500 playing 'more legitimate' styles, but they can make these scores from freestyle 1vs1's so they do.

Human nature.

But it is, as I said, a shame.

However I am not sure it really matters in the great scheme of things. For most of CC, being on the first page is a solid indicator of skill, making 3,000 a genuine achievement. If one player makes 3,000 from playing freestyle 1vs1 and another does it from standard escalating 6-8 man games, they may have same scoreboard position but it is up to us to decide who is the more talented player.

Subjective of course.

So just as we must consider the score as well as how it was achieved for any player we encounter, so we must do the same when judging a field marshall or a conqueror. Some have been more deserving than others and some have therefore got more respect than others for their achievement.

Ok, so what you're saying is that beauty is in the eye of the beholder? I think that's a nice idea.

Pretty much. A freestyle player (Manbungalow springs to mind as one I know who often plays seq. games with me but makes his points from freestyle) might well see our current conquerors as the absolute epitome of strategic skill; he might literally swoon at the speed of thought, the reaction time, the ability to click F5 without developing tennis elbow...

I on the other hand value the ability to handle multiple players at a time. To be able to consistantly win 6-8 man games 50% of the time, to absolutely dominate a large map and predict the moves of all the players rounds in advance...for me that is strategic skill.

Others see (usually short game teams players in my experience) the ablity to use every army, deployment, attack and fort in as efficient way as possible as what it is all really about.

Would I like to see a seq. player at the top of the charts? Indeed I would, if only to give me the slight glimmer of a chance that I, one glorious day, mught ascend to the top of page 1. Do I think that the 2nd and 3rd game styles require more strategic ability? Indeed I do.

However, I would make the point that I have consistantly challenged King_Herpes to take me on at my area of expertise and he has always proved to be a very, very challenging opponent. Why just recently he quite beautifully organised a board-wide resistance movement against me which, while it cost him his life (for I never forget), did stop me from sweeping the game. As I said, King_H is a very tricky opponent at my style (which is as far removed from City Mogul 1vs1 freestyle as you can get) and, as I have always said, King_H is an excellent seq. no cards/flat player..whether that be in teams or standard.

He's a worthy conqueror.

[PLAYER57832]

I have never understood people who obsess over rank and points so much as to foe another because that person outplayed them and won... they must not have much else going on in real life. It's just a game, and in the end, will anyone remember or even care who the "conqueror of Conquer Club" was??? Remember the Joker, "Why so serious? Put a smile on that face!" And I would add... there are more noble things or titles to achieve in life than that of conqueror.

[prismsaber]

I have never understood people who obsess over rank and points so much as to foe another because that person outplayed them and won... they must not have much else going on in real life. It's just a game, and in the end, will anyone remember or even care who the "conqueror of Conquer Club" was??? Remember the Joker, "Why so serious? Put a smile on that face!" And I would add... there are more noble things or titles to achieve in life than that of conqueror.

It is not too surprising to see all the low rankers applaud such a post. Sure, there are more noble things in life to achieve than making Conqueror or any other CC goal one might have, but if someone has the ambition and the passion to go after it then that is a good thing too. Giving your all to chase after your goals is a noble thing, whether you agree with the goal or not.

And yes, if someone foes their primary competition in order to reach their goals, that does tarnish their accomplishment and that isn't lost on anyone. Nobody respects such tactics and that is one of the reasons such a derogatory thread was made about the current conquerors.

That said, it is possible to both succeed at this game (maybe not to the point of conqueror) while maintaining your complete honor, so those low rankers out there are without excuse. If they are into CC just for the "fun" why do they concern themselves with constantly pointing out how the high rankers are manipulators, low on integrity, have no social lives, etc.? I think most of them are just bad players.

[Johnny Rockets]

Perhaps it's coincidence that the type and settings of the games that you like are the ones that bring the most points, and thus rank and status.

It's a glass half empty - half full perspective thing. If winning is what brings you the enjoyment then the "anyway I can" including monotonous farming or freestyle tricks with clickies is justifiable. But if playing is what brings the fun, and this entails Your favorite maps and settings and winning Truly means very little or nothing, then you are as successful as any Conquerer.

THAT being said, you have to walk the walk. You can't say: "Rank means nothing to me" then complain how those who have it, got it.

As well, those who have it, shouldn't get all fucking snobby to those who don't, for RANK is not the only indicator of skill. We ALL know that we have ALL been beaten by a cook once in our life times at least.

As the rules change or new settings come down the pipe, you will always have a rise and fall of specialty players who find their new forte' or loose their old one. But to say a player is overrated implies that rank is an absolute indicator of skill and status. And to believe that implies that you are truly retarded. Status is artificially inflated with rank, but I know more assholes with stars then with stripes. Take JohnnyRockets24 as a prime example. Good player? No doubt. Well respected because of rank, past conquerer status? Not by all, and not by a lot. Why? Personality...game chat....posts....the same things we ALL are judged on as our time plays out on this site.



Rockets Out.



Johnny Rockets

[darkangelsguy205]

just finished Game 5808086 with conquerer demonfork, well he was the conquerer when the game started. Now king Herpes is back in the #1 spot. After beating demonfork at his own game, at his own settings, he foes me for taking 52 points from him. Back when lackattack took away the ability to double turn Demonfork screamed bloody murder, well look at the scoreboard now its below 4900 points a dramatic drop from the peak of 6358. So this is how the big boys play (and I include herpes in this) they foe anyone who shows the ability to beat them, look at their games, there is a disproportionate number of games with low ranking players.

The scoreboard is over inflated, the scoreboard leaders continue to find ways to creatively farm, be it by playing team games against low ranks to specializing in obscure maps that the inexperienced players have little to no chance of winning.

well you become counquer play this game for compeitive you lose to them wat would you do huh foe or let them keep joining your games and beat you and it is just stupid

[1931roadster]

After looking into this...I had to laugh out loud, at how our point leaders could be so chickenshit.
Watch out up there... I personally do not fear you or your rank. You had better foe me also.
Big surprise... The great OZ is just a little, fat guy behind the curtain...

[Beckytheblondie]

I absolutely love this thread. Everyone is trying to one-up the last poster (myself included) and he/she is just embarrassing Self (myself included). Some of the people in this thread are respectable players, some are horsepucky... in the end, we see players who, as Johnny Rockets says, play to win and those who play to play. Depends which day I'm playing, but i'll fall under both categories. But, as Prismsaber writes, there is noble cause in securing satisfaction from online gaming. It you are respected even online, it is empowering.

I have been foed, too, by the current conquerors and they can come up with whatever excuses they'd like. I'll bother them to no end, but that's the fun of it. I wish they'd play me again, but, hey, I'm over it. I've moved on, there's new cowboys for me to bang in airport bathrooms.

I know I can beat each of the top players (except for scott-land, he continually proves to kick my ass and I don't think he's foed me.) and that's good enough for me.

Sexually yours,

Beckytheblondie...

[SuicidalSnowman]

To make this easier I created a form:

(LOL, ROFLCOPTER, HAHA, This thread makes me laugh)! I have (current score) but of course my highest rank is (200 points above your actual highest score) but of course if I really wanted to I could have 10,000 points easy.

I have never been conqueror, but I laugh at the current ones. They (Foe people, Always use the same settings, farm, use clicky maps) to get all their points while I play (random, doodle assassin, all the beta maps, drunk, mostly with my multi I mean son who logs on after me to take turns) but if I really tried I know I could beat them. In fact, (I joined one of their waiting games, I accepted an obvious farming invite, I played them in a clan/tournament/team game) and while (they beat me/I was able to win) against (King_Herpes, demonfork, blitzaholic, scott-land, etc) I know that I am at least as good as all of them, or maybe even better.

Besides, I am much better than them at (raising my children, making friends, going to Star Trek conventions, browsing other sites on the internet) so I don't even care. I mean I know for a fact that the other conquerors (have no friends, never leave their house, kick stray dogs, foe old ladies after they help them cross the street)!

Anyways, you can measure skill in lots of different ways, such as (writing good forum posts, playing lots of different settings, playing tournaments, teaming up with random people) like I always do! I think a true measure of skill is (whichever of the previous topics you are naturally best at/most interested in). Besides, I would like to argue that I am most skilled at something that cannot be tracked, rather than a scoreboard that works for everyone who plays on this site equally.

To conclude, I don't even care about rank. Who cares about impressing people you meet online? I am more impressed by my sweet job as (check out counter girl, high school student, mid level manager in chain retail) than my CC rank. Also, I would never try to impress people by writing (funny, satirical, somewhat coherent) forum posts explaining how much I don't care.

Signed, (random CC user who is not forum banned, abbreviation of your CC user name, symbols or letters that abstractly represent you)

HOW TO USE THIS FORM:
Simply choose the phrase in parenthesis that best fits your meaning. Delete the other phrases. See the C&A forum sticky for help. This is to make this easy, don't try to get creative. This includes, but is not limited to:
Pointing out that all of the "cheap" and "not skillful" tactics employed by accused conqueror are also available to you.
Mentioning that you of course at one point in your CC career tried to get the highest score possible, but never did become conqueror.
Pointing out that conquerors are able to be rated accordingly.
That even though you "only play for fun" you have been rude in game chat, foed someone who beat you, or posted in a "assault cubes are rigged" thread.

Or alternatively, you can take the approach of some of our most prolific CC posters and simply copy/paste this in:

yeah lol conquerers bad but good a little like my bro jake won si xtournaments of risk lulz irl risk is mcuh harder me too so beat yea bt king herpes i like u man u invite me to games and gg when ealrn frum u 2 mate well i think conquerers and cc cool but im 12 and wat is dis also skool man job i dont have girlfriend but kno sum1 who deos and he sez its cooler than cc so yea im gunna post now and can i be mod? lol j/k buyt rules clicky eya

[jiminski]

To make this easier I created a form:

(LOL, ROFLCOPTER, HAHA, This thread makes me laugh)! I have (current score) but of course my highest rank is (200 points above your actual highest score) but of course if I really wanted to I could have 10,000 points easy.

I have never been conqueror, but I laugh at the current ones. They (Foe people, Always use the same settings, farm, use clicky maps) to get all their points while I play (random, doodle assassin, all the beta maps, drunk, mostly with my multi I mean son who logs on after me to take turns) but if I really tried I know I could beat them. In fact, (I joined one of their waiting games, I accepted an obvious farming invite, I played them in a clan/tournament/team game) and while (they beat me/I was able to win) against (King_Herpes, demonfork, blitzaholic, scott-land, etc) I know that I am at least as good as all of them, or maybe even better.

Besides, I am much better than them at (raising my children, making friends, going to Star Trek conventions, browsing other sites on the internet) so I don't even care. I mean I know for a fact that the other conquerors (have no friends, never leave their house, kick stray dogs, foe old ladies after they help them cross the street)!

Anyways, you can measure skill in lots of different ways, such as (writing good forum posts, playing lots of different settings, playing tournaments, teaming up with random people) like I always do! I think a true measure of skill is (whichever of the previous topics you are naturally best at/most interested in). Besides, I would like to argue that I am most skilled at something that cannot be tracked, rather than a scoreboard that works for everyone who plays on this site equally.

To conclude, I don't even care about rank. Who cares about impressing people you meet online? I am more impressed by my sweet job as (check out counter girl, high school student, mid level manager in chain retail) than my CC rank. Also, I would never try to impress people by writing (funny, satirical, somewhat coherent) forum posts explaining how much I don't care.

Signed, (random CC user who is not forum banned, abbreviation of your CC user name, symbols or letters that abstractly represent you)

HOW TO USE THIS FORM:
Simply choose the phrase in parenthesis that best fits your meaning. Delete the other phrases. See the C&A forum sticky for help. This is to make this easy, don't try to get creative. This includes, but is not limited to:
Pointing out that all of the "cheap" and "not skillful" tactics employed by accused conqueror are also available to you.
Mentioning that you of course at one point in your CC career tried to get the highest score possible, but never did become conqueror.
Pointing out that conquerors are able to be rated accordingly.
That even though you "only play for fun" you have been rude in game chat, foed someone who beat you, or posted in a "assault cubes are rigged" thread.

Or alternatively, you can take the approach of some of our most prolific CC posters and simply copy/paste this in:

yeah lol conquerers bad but good a little like my bro jake won si xtournaments of risk lulz irl risk is mcuh harder me too so beat yea bt king herpes i like u man u invite me to games and gg when ealrn frum u 2 mate well i think conquerers and cc cool but im 12 and wat is dis also skool man job i dont have girlfriend but kno sum1 who deos and he sez its cooler than cc so yea im gunna post now and can i be mod? lol j/k buyt rules clicky eya

What in (gods name) is all that cobblers (about!) (?)

[tyche73]

It seems that standard escalating players cannot get beyond 3,500 (at least sequentially, though the freestyle speed 8 mans did allow + 5,000 scores...why aren't these games still being played? Weren't all those players blocked?), while the standard trips/quads players also struggle to get beyond 4,000 as well.

comic boy ,RL_Orange ,ballenus ,JBoy ,Teylen ,roadwarrior ,ahunda ,joecoolfrog

[Mr Changsha]

It seems that standard escalating players cannot get beyond 3,500 (at least sequentially, though the freestyle speed 8 mans did allow + 5,000 scores...why aren't these games still being played? Weren't all those players blocked?), while the standard trips/quads players also struggle to get beyond 4,000 as well.

comic boy ,RL_Orange ,ballenus ,JBoy ,Teylen ,roadwarrior ,ahunda ,joecoolfrog

I apologise, I meant (at least in my head) 'cannot get much beyond' 3,500.

I think I am right though that the most most successful seq. point-gainers are first, the seq. trips/quads chaps (4,000+). Second, the seq. standard escalating chaps (3,500+). This is of course at most a very vague concept as there is a fair bit of crossover between the two disciplines. Nonetheless, it is how I see it.

The keypoint though is that the 5,000+ scores, at least in the time I've been keeping an eye on things have come either from the speed freestyle 8 mans (poomaker, scottland) or the freestyle 1vs1's (Demonfork, King_H, KP).

I suppose Blitzaholic broke 5,000 from seq. teams (though this was before my time)..

...I may have that wrong.

Rabbiton did most of his work sequentially, but he is of course infamous for the 200+ farming 1vs1 run which one can only imagine was achieved by freestyle...if it was done sequentially then all the power to him!

[AndyDufresne]

Hm, it'd be interesting to see statistics game types and choices of select people with high ranks...to see how things fall number wise...


--Andy

[AAFitz]

Hm, it'd be interesting to see statistics game types and choices of select people with high ranks...to see how things fall number wise...


--Andy

http://chipv.freehostia.com/scoreboard.php

Map rank can do most of it, and eventually I bet chip even narrows id down further to sort out standard, terminator, 1v1, and assassin

[SuicidalSnowman]

What in (gods name) is all that cobblers (about!) (?)

Me trying to be funny at 4am instead of working on my case briefs.

tl;dr version.

Most posts in this topic take very similar arguments, although each poster acts like its ground breaking material.
Typically they talk about how the don't care about rank but then sat down and wrote a long post about it.
Also, the methods the Conquerors use are cheating, unfair, cheap, dishonorable, even though the poster is of course allowed to do the same thing.
The poster then goes on to say that the settings they like are more skillful, but of course conveniently the scoreboard doesn't measure them.
Then, after spending time thinking about and typing up said post, they talk about how unimportant online games are to them.

Was just pointing out that say what you want, but getting to the top of the scoreboard is an achievement, even if you don't think it is in the spirit of CC, its still damn hard to do. And I like the way we all try to justify ourselves, or pretend that we are above it, when really its quite obvious we do care. (And I include myself in all of this).

[Beckytheblondie]

What in (gods name) is all that cobblers (about!) (?)

Me trying to be funny at 4am instead of working on my case briefs.

tl;dr version.

Most posts in this topic take very similar arguments, although each poster acts like its ground breaking material.
Typically they talk about how the don't care about rank but then sat down and wrote a long post about it.
Also, the methods the Conquerors use are cheating, unfair, cheap, dishonorable, even though the poster is of course allowed to do the same thing.
The poster then goes on to say that the settings they like are more skillful, but of course conveniently the scoreboard doesn't measure them.
Then, after spending time thinking about and typing up said post, they talk about how unimportant online games are to them.

Was just pointing out that say what you want, but getting to the top of the scoreboard is an achievement, even if you don't think it is in the spirit of CC, its still damn hard to do. And I like the way we all try to justify ourselves, or pretend that we are above it, when really its quite obvious we do care. (And I include myself in all of this).

If it means anything, I understood what you were going for, and found it funny. But I also like pokemon, so take it FWIW

[demonfork]

What in (gods name) is all that cobblers (about!) (?)

Me trying to be funny at 4am instead of working on my case briefs.

tl;dr version.

Most posts in this topic take very similar arguments, although each poster acts like its ground breaking material.
Typically they talk about how the don't care about rank but then sat down and wrote a long post about it.
Also, the methods the Conquerors use are cheating, unfair, cheap, dishonorable, even though the poster is of course allowed to do the same thing.
The poster then goes on to say that the settings they like are more skillful, but of course conveniently the scoreboard doesn't measure them.
Then, after spending time thinking about and typing up said post, they talk about how unimportant online games are to them.

Was just pointing out that say what you want, but getting to the top of the scoreboard is an achievement, even if you don't think it is in the spirit of CC, its still damn hard to do. And I like the way we all try to justify ourselves, or pretend that we are above it, when really its quite obvious we do care. (And I include myself in all of this).

I thought your post was hilarious and at the same time completely accurate (sad but true).

Most players here will never understand how tremendously hard it is to make it to the top position. I think that's why many are so quick to bash those that have. Most will never feel the frustration of suffering yet another setback from losing all of the points gained from 20+ wins from just one loss.

It's nice to see someone that gets it.

[the.killing.44]

SSS that was a hilarious post.

What's a conquerer?

[elfish_lad]

I thought Triple-S's post a tad verbose... but very hilarious and accurate.

Although, I haven't really been here long enough to judge the top players, I do realize that, as much as I hate to admit it, the phrase: "it is not whether you win or lose it is how you play the game" is... erm... a tad shallow for me. I also want to win the damn game. And when my rank goes from "hey, welcome to the officer's brothel" to "hey, buddy, grab me a beer chump" it sucks.

So, I commend those who know the game, know the maps, play hard and fair, and end up on the top wrung. I would be a liar if I didn't admit that I would love to know the game so well as to be there one day.

[Jace22]

I thought Triple-S's post a tad verbose... but very hilarious and accurate.

Although, I haven't really been here long enough to judge the top players, I do realize that, as much as I hate to admit it, the phrase: "it is not whether you win or lose it is how you play the game" is... erm... a tad shallow for me. I also want to win the damn game. And when my rank goes from "hey, welcome to the officer's brothel" to "hey, buddy, grab me a beer chump" it sucks.

So, I commend those who know the game, know the maps, play hard and fair, and end up on the top wrung. I would be a liar if I didn't admit that I would love to know the game so well as to be there one day.

Elfish, I believe everyone wants to be up there someday. Even the ones who are bitching about the conquerors' tactics. I don't think its fair how the conquerors are being treated. Like everyone else has said in this topic already, it's not fair that the conquerors are allowed to get their points their own way, but everyone is. What, are they judged on a completely different level just for being the top player? Doesn't make sense to me. I'm not going to admit I'm not playing for the points, because I am, and so is everyone else. But I'm also here for a fun. So when I play, its about fun first and points second. Hopefully I will be able to get up to a respectable rank someday, but I know that I need more experience first.

[Qwert]

I realy dont see problem here- you must understand that this is way to stay on 1 place,and any player who manage to defeat hem in hes map and setting ,its potential danger for points,and only solution its to foe this person. Soon or later this carefull play can be to boring, and they will start to play for fun,not for Conqueror Title.

[SuicidalSnowman]

Well thank you all for your kind words in response to my post.

Internet beers all around!!!