account sitting issues..new rule? <updated - see 1st post>

[detlef]

another case of team babysitting account abuse. mods, when will this BS will stop? I cant start or join any new team games because its to the point where I have no idea who I am actually playing against. I see players on my ignore list making moves for other accounts they are playing for. I dont want to play with these players. That is why they are on ignore.

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Perhaps you need to look inside yourself and examine why you have so many people on ignore rather advocate dogmatic rules that restrict well-meaning people's enjoyment of an on-line game.

players abousing the rules is against my "enjoyment". and they will stay on ignore until the abuse is no longer permitted on this site. The "enjoyment" works both ways and im tired of being abused by players that think it is cool to make all the moves for the entire team against me.

OK, but you're going to have to prove how this is "unfair". Besides, if the rule states that people on the same team aren't allowed to make moves for each other, how is that going to protect you from playing people on ignore. If they're on you're ignore list, then they wouldn't be able to join the game and thus would not be affected by the rule.

The way it appears, you're just bitching for the sake of bitching. Which, from what I gather, is not a new thing for you.

[yeti_c]

I believe in documentation of every example. As I have time, I will bring to the attention of the mods every example until it is proven that baby sitting accounts is being abused in every type of game including sequntial like the example I just showen in the abuse forum. your days are almost over for making moves for 3 accounts.

what are you talking about? show me where i have ever made moves for 3 accounts in one game. you have literally lost your mind. my main concern was the 24 hour "unwritten rule", and that seems to be resolved. and i truly don't care if it ends up that someone not in the game/on my team has to babysit my account for games, so be it. i just care that i be able to have members of my clan, team mates i trust (not in the same game), be able to take my turn when RL issues crop up and several turns will be missed. soooo, i have no idea what "documentation" you have on me making moves for 3 accounts in one game, because that is just crap. i welcome anyone, hunters included to find one example. you are talking out of your ass JR, and you are looking ridiculous.-0

nowhere in this quote does it single out you. It is in reference to everyone in general. Little paranoid?

I believe the phrase

your days are almost over for making moves for 3 accounts.

might have been the turning point?

C.

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

well im off to the school play. so you kiddies take care until I return. Unlike you guys, I dont need an account sitter for the next 2 hours ( or a concert like was stated in the original post in this thread) so no worries in needing to make my turns for me. Im a big boy and if I miss a turn than I will accept that

[owenshooter]

nowhere in this quote does it single out you. It is in reference to everyone in general. Little paranoid?

hmmmm, maybe it was this, since the rest of your tirade was in response to what i said:

your days are almost over for making moves for 3 accounts.

yeah, that might have been where i got it from!!-0

[DiM]

no sitting for players that are in the same game with you regardless if it is singles or team games. yes it will cause some discomfort for some people but it will also prevent this type of abuse.

just my 2 cents

[Natewolfman]

i want one rule for all. babysitting an account is for extended periods away, a turn is not to be taken by anyone in the same game.

as it is now the most vocal players regarding exempting sequential teams games from the same rule as everyone else seems to be those who run multiple accounts. they are protecting their arse, fair enough.

but why are you in such a huff about it detlaf ?

I'm pretty freaking vocal about it and have never cheated nor been accused of cheating. Why am I in a huff? Because I already have to deal with enough rules in my daily life. I don't need to have my enjoyment of an on-line game diminished because a bunch of hand wringers want to invent reasons why what I do might affect others negatively.

So, I've already explained a number of times in this thread why my usual doubles partner and I "cheat" in this manner in entirely harmless ways. Here's another one. The whole business about signing in as your partner to start new games.

So, one of us pms the other and says, "Let's find a few games to get into." Let's say he sends that message to me. For the record, we don't live in the same time zone. So, at any rate, I wake up, log in and see the message, so I go looking around for games. Maybe I see a fun looking game in the public section with two spots left. I've got one of two choices, either I sign up and then log in as him and sign him up, or, I can "do the right thing" and wait 3 hours until he wakes up and hope the game still has the openings (it won't) and hope he decides to log in immediately. Of course, I don't want to just sign up without him because I'm not looking for a random partner, I'm looking to start a game with my usual partner. So, kindly explain exactly who is hurt by the fact that I sign in as him and join a doubles game that he and I decided that I was going to go find us.

That, is my huff. My huff is that I have to tolerate this BS from you. That, because a few jerk-offs have ruffled the egos of others by making page 1 using less than noble means, you guys need to get in my dish about how I play this game. Here's an idea, stop caring about the rankings of those who employ shady tactics. To the extent that their cheating actually costs you games, I completely understand why you should care. However, the best you guys can come up with is that some players will take over a lower ranked players account and thus get more points for wins than they'd get with a real partner. Who the hell cares? Play for yourself. Play for the enjoyment of winning fairly and the challenge of outwitting others at a game. If some low life wants to bend the rules so he can feel good about making page one, just feel sorry for him and move on.

wow, well put... I really cant see this as such a big deal... so what? lol, if me and a couple partners can beat 1 guy(or gal) playing as 3 people, awesome, i say ill take the challenge! but unless its announced, will i know? no... and therefor will i care? no

[Vace Cooper]

I play team games with my wife (fwblb) we use the same computer. This damn rule would mean we couldnt play together anymore. Also Im sure there are many other couples out there that play together.

[MajorRT]

I suugest a poll for all to vote in , on the "my games" page. The issue is too volatile and the rules too vague and prone to abuse, as currently written.

[yeti_c]

I play team games with my wife (fwblb) we use the same computer. This damn rule would mean we couldnt play together anymore. Also Im sure there are many other couples out there that play together.

You can still play together - you just can't sit for each other.

C.

[owenshooter]

I play team games with my wife (fwblb) we use the same computer. This damn rule would mean we couldnt play together anymore. Also Im sure there are many other couples out there that play together.

You can still play together - you just can't sit for each other.

C.

not true... what if i'm in a game with cooper, and he asks katy to sit for him, for one of several reasons? first, she is not in the game. secondly, she has access to his account. and finally, she is someone he can trust (unless she drinks tequila). so, it could, can and will happen.-0

[yeti_c]

I play team games with my wife (fwblb) we use the same computer. This damn rule would mean we couldnt play together anymore. Also Im sure there are many other couples out there that play together.

You can still play together - you just can't sit for each other.

C.

not true... what if i'm in a game with cooper, and ask katy to sit my turn. she is not in the game, has access to my account, and is someone i can trust. she can also discuss my move with my partner in the game, if she has any questions. it just so happens that she will be yelling at her thick headed husband about where to deploy and when to stop attacking in person, instead of online... so, it could, can and will happen.-0

You mean Katy (fwblb) can't sit for you because the Mods would see it as being Vace sitting for you due to the fact that it's the same PC?

Well this is a slightly different ruling.

C.

[owenshooter]

sorry yeti, i was correcting what i said, when you replied! my bad.. i fixed it, but you were right!-0

[detlef]

You can still play together - you just can't sit for each other.

C.

not true... what if i'm in a game with cooper, and ask katy to sit my turn. she is not in the game, has access to my account, and is someone i can trust. she can also discuss my move with my partner in the game, if she has any questions. it just so happens that she will be yelling at her thick headed husband about where to deploy and when to stop attacking in person, instead of online... so, it could, can and will happen.-0

You mean Katy (fwblb) can't sit for you because the Mods would see it as being Vace sitting for you due to the fact that it's the same PC?

Well this is a slightly different ruling.

C.

Which is yet another wrinkle that proves perhaps this is best left alone since nobody can show how letting teammates take each other's turns is unfair to their opponents. The best JR can do is show a bunch of games where people are taking turns for other players on their teams, but that only shows it happens. Something that those of us on this side are obviously not denying.

[Nephilim]

I play team games with my wife (fwblb) we use the same computer. This damn rule would mean we couldnt play together anymore. Also Im sure there are many other couples out there that play together.

hot damn, you big pimpin, baby

[Soloman]

I play team games with my wife (fwblb) we use the same computer. This damn rule would mean we couldnt play together anymore. Also Im sure there are many other couples out there that play together.

My Fiancee plays on here also but we rarely play together because people Like Johnny are constantly on the attack and his false accusaations got us temporarily blocked from the site till we proved that not only had we previously notified of us both occupying the same PC but that we were not cheating. I would love to play team games with her but like I said as long as it is so easy to be persecuted we will stick to singles games do not want to get blocked again.

[detlef]

I play team games with my wife (fwblb) we use the same computer. This damn rule would mean we couldnt play together anymore. Also Im sure there are many other couples out there that play together.

My Fiancee plays on here also but we rarely play together because people Like Johnny are constantly on the attack and his false accusaations got us temporarily blocked from the site till we proved that not only had we previously notified of us both occupying the same PC but that we were not cheating. I would love to play team games with her but like I said as long as it is so easy to be persecuted we will stick to singles games do not want to get blocked again.

I suppose this is my point. What should be more important, allowing honest people to enjoy the site at the expense of letting a few a-holes bend the rules to fast-track page 1 or pander to a very vocal but small group of hand-wringers dead set on witch hunts?

[happy2seeyou]

I have not read this thread too much yet. Heres my input though. The other day my husband had went to download something on our computer and with it came a nasty virus. We are trying to fix it right now but may have to get a new computer either way. I had went over to my Moms the other day to use her computer to get caught up on my turns. Yesterday I tried to take some turns from home but it took forever! So I ended up calling a cc'r to take a few turns before they expire. Today I had my husband go to his work and get me his work laptop.

I don't see where this would be cheating. (I got back online before 24hours..)

[Plutoman]

I play team games with my wife (fwblb) we use the same computer. This damn rule would mean we couldnt play together anymore. Also Im sure there are many other couples out there that play together.

My Fiancee plays on here also but we rarely play together because people Like Johnny are constantly on the attack and his false accusaations got us temporarily blocked from the site till we proved that not only had we previously notified of us both occupying the same PC but that we were not cheating. I would love to play team games with her but like I said as long as it is so easy to be persecuted we will stick to singles games do not want to get blocked again.

I suppose this is my point. What should be more important, allowing honest people to enjoy the site at the expense of letting a few a-holes bend the rules to fast-track page 1 or pander to a very vocal but small group of hand-wringers dead set on witch hunts?

Nothing much more than a QFT.

Who cares so much about the points? If they fast-track it, they better be good, or it really doesn't make a difference. They're not getting any respect from me unless I see that they can play well. Just being on a scoreboard doesn't cut it. Let them do it, I'd rather have the honest people play too with us.

[owenshooter]

I play team games with my wife (fwblb) we use the same computer. This damn rule would mean we couldnt play together anymore. Also Im sure there are many other couples out there that play together.

My Fiancee plays on here also but we rarely play together because people Like Johnny are constantly on the attack and his false accusaations got us temporarily blocked from the site till we proved that not only had we previously notified of us both occupying the same PC but that we were not cheating. I would love to play team games with her but like I said as long as it is so easy to be persecuted we will stick to singles games do not want to get blocked again.

i play with cooper and fwblb on CC all the time! just do it. if you are not breaking the rules or spirit of the rules, forget what a few paranoid members say, ROLL THE BONES!!!-0

[Vace Cooper]

next, web cams will be cheating.

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

I play team games with my wife (fwblb) we use the same computer. This damn rule would mean we couldnt play together anymore. Also Im sure there are many other couples out there that play together.

My Fiancee plays on here also but we rarely play together because people Like Johnny are constantly on the attack and his false accusaations got us temporarily blocked from the site till we proved that not only had we previously notified of us both occupying the same PC but that we were not cheating. I would love to play team games with her but like I said as long as it is so easy to be persecuted we will stick to singles games do not want to get blocked again.

you were busted with your multi account 6 weeks ago. it is was not your girlfriend or any other person on this earth but you. otherwise if it was, you would have not been busted and/or they would have sometime in the past 6 weeks overturn the decision. To make matters worse, you are going to be busted for playing 3 player singles games with your brother where you set up a game and your brother joins only to team up on the 3rd player. your nothing but a hack and your opinion means absolutely nothing. so dont turn the discusion into you being a honest loyal player. you have done nothing but lie and cheat and like I already stated, you and your opinion means nothing. If anything, this is another example of a player cheating and displays why players should not be permitted to make moves for other accounts. its not just a couple dickheads like him. Its got to be atleast 80% of the players on this site. Hopefully Lack and the rest of the mods start to take action on this BS.

[barterer2002]

So here's a thought from a slightly different angle if I might interject into this entertaining discussion.

It seems to me that there are three types of team games played on the site.

1) Games between clan mates, friends or other types of people who know each other well.

2). Game that are part of a tournament, clan challenge or some other sort where the partners know each other but may or may not know the other team well.

3). Random pick up games which are sometimes begun by one full team and will end up playing a random team of random players from around the site but may just also be random teams.

It seems to me that in the first situation there isn't an issue with babysitting. People who know each other are generally going to patrol themselves and if there is an issue, handle it internally but for the most part there isn't going to be an issue. In the second situation, the potential for problem is mostly going to exist in Freestyle games as a standard game with players who are accustomed to team set ups will more likely appreciate the moving of the game rather than making it wait. It seems to me though that the biggest issue comes from the third situation. Clearly two sets of random pick up players aren't going to know each other's accounts so the problem comes when one team of players who play somewhat regularly together is playing a group of pick ups. Even in that case I'm not really seeing the problem. Is there an advantage to the "team" over the "pick ups" well, yes but its not because of the baby sitting. Its because of the communication.

The truth of the matter is that communication between partners is the biggest key to winning a team game

So looking at the games the only time I think its inappropriate for a teammate to babysit is in a freestyle game. The rest is just fluff IMO

[owenshooter]

The truth of the matter is that communication between partners is the biggest key to winning a team game
So looking at the games the only time I think its inappropriate for a teammate to babysit is in a freestyle game. The rest is just fluff IMO

EXACTLY!! twill, did you read this?-0tP

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

The truth of the matter is that communication between partners is the biggest key to winning a team game
So looking at the games the only time I think its inappropriate for a teammate to babysit is in a freestyle game. The rest is just fluff IMO

EXACTLY!! twill, did you read this?-0tP

exactly- and there is nothing to communicte when its the same player making all the moves for the same team.

[Soloman]

I play team games with my wife (fwblb) we use the same computer. This damn rule would mean we couldnt play together anymore. Also Im sure there are many other couples out there that play together.

My Fiancee plays on here also but we rarely play together because people Like Johnny are constantly on the attack and his false accusaations got us temporarily blocked from the site till we proved that not only had we previously notified of us both occupying the same PC but that we were not cheating. I would love to play team games with her but like I said as long as it is so easy to be persecuted we will stick to singles games do not want to get blocked again.

i play with cooper and fwblb on CC all the time! just do it. if you are not breaking the rules or spirit of the rules, forget what a few paranoid members say, ROLL THE BONES!!!-0

I used to also play team game sall the time with My Brother and we would also play regular games against one another, But after ta few withch hunts we quit playing together and we were on seperate IP and did not babysit yet at one point were blocked from playing with one another because we coordinated our attacks over the phone...

my point being there is a vocal community that does not want any realife interaction here on CC and this is just 1 small battle for them, I quit team games to be less of a target but since I still am I am getting active in pointing out hypocrisy in these matters and people.

I hope we can get the higher ups to recognise how all this interconects and that it is not all about the game points but the fun of playing with people and making friends(All the hater should just become friends with each other and there would be no Problem). It is a competition but the game was designed before it went online to be played by friends and family to give them some they could sahare in common together, the internet has made it easier to this and give the ability to add new people to the friends side of it.