TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

[Mr Changsha]

I just looked at your recent game with the KING. Did you get one of his mailers too ? How in the hell did you get him to play SEQ. Oh, nice job of crushing him by the way.

Well crushing him was fun, but (as can happen in 1vs1 seq) the drop was kind, I went first and I held a bonus from the start. I really should win that game!

I was actually hoping for a good battle and I'm sure King_H was as well. I imagine the reason we had the game was because we both rate each other as good players. We played sequential because I don't have the capability to play freestyle, so I chose a map neither of us would have much experience of. I would enjoy a second game, but realise that the point-risk is way too high for King_H and respect that.

[porkenbeans]

I just looked at your recent game with the KING. Did you get one of his mailers too ? How in the hell did you get him to play SEQ. Oh, nice job of crushing him by the way.

Well crushing him was fun, but (as can happen in 1vs1 seq) the drop was kind, I went first and I held a bonus from the start. I really should win that game!

I was actually hoping for a good battle and I'm sure King_H was as well. I imagine the reason we had the game was because we both rate each other as good players. We played sequential because I don't have the capability to play freestyle, so I chose a map neither of us would have much experience of. I would enjoy a second game, but realise that the point-risk is way too high for King_H and respect that.

But you did not say how you talked him into SEQ.
I received his offer as well. But he only wanted to play FS.

[Prankcall]

Well said EI.There is Farming in some point.However I would say atleast most levels involve players showing up on a normal basis.I already stated once that Farming involves skill,however it also involves no scruples.

[lgoasklucyl]

Wouldn't it be great if someone just organized a goddamn tournament and top, say, 15-25 players scoreboard joined. It could utilize a variety of game types and matches to rule out any chance factor, then whoever took the tournament could be the 'best' and everyone could stop throwing down over it? Could be a recurring tournament so one person couldn't sit on top permanently, but it sure would be fun to watch

An all stars tournament would be fantabulous! However, I doubt it will ever come into fruition. You could bet your rear end I'd be in it though.

I'll PM the big tourney makers and see if anyone would be interested in making it. As I don't have enough experience running them/with enough maps to govern what would be fair, I wouldn't be anywhere near the proper choice. If anyone knows someone who would fit these qualifications one should PM them with the idea. I know Blitz starts 10s of tourneys a month, but I'm not sure he'd be into running such a large tournament.

Imagine the freaking publicity such a tournament would get!

[porkenbeans]

Wouldn't it be great if someone just organized a goddamn tournament and top, say, 15-25 players scoreboard joined. It could utilize a variety of game types and matches to rule out any chance factor, then whoever took the tournament could be the 'best' and everyone could stop throwing down over it? Could be a recurring tournament so one person couldn't sit on top permanently, but it sure would be fun to watch

An all stars tournament would be fantabulous! However, I doubt it will ever come into fruition. You could bet your rear end I'd be in it though.

I'll PM the big tourney makers and see if anyone would be interested in making it. As I don't have enough experience running them/with enough maps to govern what would be fair, I wouldn't be anywhere near the proper choice. If anyone knows someone who would fit these qualifications one should PM them with the idea. I know Blitz starts 10s of tourneys a month, but I'm not sure he'd be into running such a large tournament.

Imagine the freaking publicity such a tournament would get!

I like this idea very much also. I would add that the top MAP RANK stars were also invited.

[Mr Changsha]

I just looked at your recent game with the KING. Did you get one of his mailers too ? How in the hell did you get him to play SEQ. Oh, nice job of crushing him by the way.

Well crushing him was fun, but (as can happen in 1vs1 seq) the drop was kind, I went first and I held a bonus from the start. I really should win that game!

I was actually hoping for a good battle and I'm sure King_H was as well. I imagine the reason we had the game was because we both rate each other as good players. We played sequential because I don't have the capability to play freestyle, so I chose a map neither of us would have much experience of. I would enjoy a second game, but realise that the point-risk is way too high for King_H and respect that.

But you did not say how you talked him into SEQ.
I received his offer as well. But he only wanted to play FS.

I'm not sure I ever had that offer...

Check the attendence 100% thread (or something like that) for how that 'magic moment' was reached...

I just sent him the game no: the password and said game on!

[maxatstuy]

I like this idea very much also. I would add that the top MAP RANK stars were also invited.

Pm alangary, see if he will join! Im pretty sure he was banned though...too bad, his map rank must have been awesome!

oh, and considering that I am blocked from playing a large portion of the high ranked players, or have others on foe who I refuse to remove, it will be pretty hard to coordinate a tournament with just the highest ranked players.

[King_Herpes]

I just looked at your recent game with the KING. Did you get one of his mailers too ? How in the hell did you get him to play SEQ. Oh, nice job of crushing him by the way.

Well crushing him was fun, but (as can happen in 1vs1 seq) the drop was kind, I went first and I held a bonus from the start. I really should win that game!

I was actually hoping for a good battle and I'm sure King_H was as well. I imagine the reason we had the game was because we both rate each other as good players. We played sequential because I don't have the capability to play freestyle, so I chose a map neither of us would have much experience of. I would enjoy a second game, but realise that the point-risk is way too high for King_H and respect that.

But you did not say how you talked him into SEQ.
I received his offer as well. But he only wanted to play FS.

As you should know by now. It's a respect thing. I enjoy his humor and know that he is a solid player. I assume he respects much the same in me. I was hoping for a fair game but 1 vs 1 sequential does not always provide that luxury. Some would argue that neither does freestyle. He didn't talk me into it with charm or persistence. I joined on his settings simply because he's Mr. C and he cracks me up.

[Incandenza]

Three things, 'cause I'm bored:

1. Map Rank, while a useful tool, is still just that, a tool, and represents the first step in bringing statistical analysis to bear on CC. We may look back someday and see the map rank's relative rank formula with the amused contempt that we look at medieval methods for curing disease. Map Rank is not Gospel.

2. "The best player on CC" is such a subjective concept that there's no actual answer (and, for my money, tends to generate quite a bit of ill will when discussed). There's easily half a dozen people that are proficient across pretty much every setting (and at least most maps), and if you strip off freestyle than the list grows quite a bit. The real point is that the luck inherent in Non-Hasbro World Domination makes any conversation about the best player murky at best.

3. Herp at least belongs in the conversation mentioned in (2). Others would be Scott, sjnap, maniacmath, blitz, maybe prank, maybe benjikat, probably a few more that I can't think of off the top of my head. Of course, the very fluidity of the concept means that everyone's going to have a slightly different idea of who "belongs in the conversation". Maybe max belongs in the conversation; having never played him and given the amount of vitriol (deserved and undeserved) thrown his way, it's hard for me to say, but if you think someone can get to 5000+ without being sublimely excellent at this game, however it is that he or she gets there (save for Battle Royale wins), then you (porkenbeans) are a fool.

[Mr Changsha]

I just looked at your recent game with the KING. Did you get one of his mailers too ? How in the hell did you get him to play SEQ. Oh, nice job of crushing him by the way.

Well crushing him was fun, but (as can happen in 1vs1 seq) the drop was kind, I went first and I held a bonus from the start. I really should win that game!

I was actually hoping for a good battle and I'm sure King_H was as well. I imagine the reason we had the game was because we both rate each other as good players. We played sequential because I don't have the capability to play freestyle, so I chose a map neither of us would have much experience of. I would enjoy a second game, but realise that the point-risk is way too high for King_H and respect that.

But you did not say how you talked him into SEQ.
I received his offer as well. But he only wanted to play FS.

As you should know by now. It's a respect thing. I enjoy his humor and know that he is a solid player. I assume he respects much the same in me. I was hoping for a fair game but 1 vs 1 sequential does not always provide that luxury. Some would argue that neither does freestyle. He didn't talk me into it with charm or persistence. I joined on his settings simply because he's Mr. C and he cracks me up.

Once upon a time there was an evil farmer named King_H and he lived in a dark, enchanted wood. It was an imposing place. A young adventurer called Mr C happened to venture into this land of ill-repute...

Ok, enough of this tosh!

Clothes on, teeth brushed and off to work!

[lgoasklucyl]

Wouldn't it be great if someone just organized a goddamn tournament and top, say, 15-25 players scoreboard joined. It could utilize a variety of game types and matches to rule out any chance factor, then whoever took the tournament could be the 'best' and everyone could stop throwing down over it? Could be a recurring tournament so one person couldn't sit on top permanently, but it sure would be fun to watch

An all stars tournament would be fantabulous! However, I doubt it will ever come into fruition. You could bet your rear end I'd be in it though.

I'll PM the big tourney makers and see if anyone would be interested in making it. As I don't have enough experience running them/with enough maps to govern what would be fair, I wouldn't be anywhere near the proper choice. If anyone knows someone who would fit these qualifications one should PM them with the idea. I know Blitz starts 10s of tourneys a month, but I'm not sure he'd be into running such a large tournament.

Imagine the freaking publicity such a tournament would get!

I like this idea very much also. I would add that the top MAP RANK stars were also invited.

According to NS it couldn't be run with tournament privileges because it's private. So, either we need to get the mods/admins to enstate a tournament or hold it old school style where we utilize a thread/PMs to do the whole thing on our own


Incan- perhaps a panel should be set. If anyone else wants in they can state their case

[porkenbeans]

I just looked at your recent game with the KING. Did you get one of his mailers too ? How in the hell did you get him to play SEQ. Oh, nice job of crushing him by the way.

Well crushing him was fun, but (as can happen in 1vs1 seq) the drop was kind, I went first and I held a bonus from the start. I really should win that game!

I was actually hoping for a good battle and I'm sure King_H was as well. I imagine the reason we had the game was because we both rate each other as good players. We played sequential because I don't have the capability to play freestyle, so I chose a map neither of us would have much experience of. I would enjoy a second game, but realise that the point-risk is way too high for King_H and respect that.

But you did not say how you talked him into SEQ.
I received his offer as well. But he only wanted to play FS.

As you should know by now. It's a respect thing. I enjoy his humor and know that he is a solid player. I assume he respects much the same in me. I was hoping for a fair game but 1 vs 1 sequential does not always provide that luxury. Some would argue that neither does freestyle. He didn't talk me into it with charm or persistence. I joined on his settings simply because he's Mr. C and he cracks me up.

Well we can all see what happens when you aren't playing a noob. Oh by the way, A true conqueror should be able to overcome a bad drop. That is why everyone else gets more points for beating you. You are supposed to be that good. You are supposed to be the BEST. I imagine that you know more than a bit about how to play, But alas we will never know as you mostly play in-experienced players.

[Prankcall]

I have been blocked from playing alot of players because of Max.

[Prankcall]

Medals should be a decent gauge for the games a player plays,however it does not determine or show how many games it took for Player X to reach those medals.

[lgoasklucyl]

You can tell the current Conquerer to put it all on the line and join an open tournament here in these forums to claim the true best of the best prize. But anything like that being sponsored by CC is not in the foreseeable future (mainly b/c both Steel and I are way too busy).

No dice unless you wanna do it in a sketchy back-alley where the tournament mods wouldn't be able to find you

Series of organized private games. Maybe maybe. We'll see.

Iono how to circumvent Prank's ordeal though.

[porkenbeans]

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[King_Herpes]

Well we can all see what happens when you aren't playing a noob. Oh by the way, A true conqueror should be able to overcome a bad drop. That is why everyone else gets more points for beating you. You are supposed to be that good. You are supposed to be the BEST. I imagine that you know more than a bit about how to play, But alas we will never know as you mostly play in-experienced players.

Would somebody slap this guy in the mouth? How can you be so dense to believe that there is anyone person that can outplay anybody even in a horrible situation such as that game? I am just as capable as losing or winning as a lot of players. Nobody could have overcome such a miserable placing of armies. Unless that is, if I had super victorious dice(which nobody has control over....not even a conqueror) to rally back into a position of throwing him from ever holding it again. You weren't there chump. Believe me it was over before it started when you're playing against someone who isn't just reckless with such the start. You are such a boob, and nobody is listening to you.

[Prankcall]

This is like beating a dead horse.There is farming at all levels.Most people's frustration comes from not being able to reach a like score I imagine.Your score is not the end all be all.Merry X-Mas.

[Incandenza]

Iono how to circumvent Prank's ordeal though.

We'd probably have to get a multi-hunter (or even lack) to do us a favor.

It's a brilliant concept, tho. Winner gets a shiny custom banner (maybe even a medal, as long as we're asking lack for favors),

[porkenbeans]

Well we can all see what happens when you aren't playing a noob. Oh by the way, A true conqueror should be able to overcome a bad drop. That is why everyone else gets more points for beating you. You are supposed to be that good. You are supposed to be the BEST. I imagine that you know more than a bit about how to play, But alas we will never know as you mostly play in-experienced players.

Would somebody slap this guy in the mouth? How can you be so dense to believe that there is anyone person that can outplay anybody even in a horrible situation such as that game? I am just as capable as losing or winning as a lot of players. Nobody could have overcome such a miserable placing of armies. Unless that is, if I had super victorious dice(which nobody has control over....not even a conqueror) to rally back into a position of throwing him from ever holding it again. You weren't there chump. Believe me it was over before it started when you're playing against someone who isn't just reckless with such the start. You are such a boob, and nobody is listening to you.

No shit Sherlock. What you dont grasp is, The same system that put you on top is the same system that says you lose more points than your opponent would. Also, I would like for you to show me any other game where you get to the top without beating the best players.

[Mr Changsha]

Well we can all see what happens when you aren't playing a noob. Oh by the way, A true conqueror should be able to overcome a bad drop. That is why everyone else gets more points for beating you. You are supposed to be that good. You are supposed to be the BEST. I imagine that you know more than a bit about how to play, But alas we will never know as you mostly play in-experienced players.

Would somebody slap this guy in the mouth? How can you be so dense to believe that there is anyone person that can outplay anybody even in a horrible situation such as that game? I am just as capable as losing or winning as a lot of players. Nobody could have overcome such a miserable placing of armies. Unless that is, if I had super victorious dice(which nobody has control over....not even a conqueror) to rally back into a position of throwing him from ever holding it again. You weren't there chump. Believe me it was over before it started when you're playing against someone who isn't just reckless with such the start. You are such a boob, and nobody is listening to you.

Really porkenbeans you are way off here.

1vs1 seq. is not a good test of skill. I tried to choose a multi-bonus, large map to hopefully make it a real game, but King H's position was an absolute bitch. Neutrals in all his strong areas and me going first to arm my bonus up heavily and say "come on then!" he needed great dice two rounds in a row and didn't get them.

I suspect the real point here is that if the roles were reversed and the game mentioned here, King_H would quickly admit that he had a lucky position. I would always do the same. I suspect you might shout to the CC World "I beat the Conqueror! He's not that good!"

[King_Herpes]

No shit Sherlock. What you dont grasp is, The same system that put you on top is the same system that says you lose more points than your opponent would. Also, I would like for you to show me any other game where you get to the top without beating the best players.

Keep digging Watson! How about instead of reiterating your autism you go sit on your thumb and spin. You're like the poster boy for map rank and are so buried in your idea of the word best that nobody could convince you that there isn't such a thing on this game. It's like you skip over the most imperative posts and instead search for things that you want to hear just to mull up another dumb reply.

[porkenbeans]

No shit Sherlock. What you dont grasp is, The same system that put you on top is the same system that says you lose more points than your opponent would. Also, I would like for you to show me any other game where you get to the top without beating the best players.

Keep digging Watson! How about instead of reiterating your autism you go sit on your thumb and spin. You're like the poster boy for map rank and are so buried in your idea of the word best that nobody could convince you that there isn't such a thing on this game. It's like you skip over the most imperative posts and instead search for things that you want to hear just to mull up another dumb reply.

This describes you, not me. Or should I translate to something that you may be able to understand better. "I KNOW YOU ARE, BUT WHAT AM I".
In my opinion, It is not that you are a poor player, It is that you try to prove it by beating up on poor players. And as for the MAP RANK, More and more players will be using it. So you better get used to it spilling over into these forums. It could not come at the worst time for you. But your a Farmer, so you, of all people should know that, "YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW".

[King_Herpes]

Your Pee Wee Herman quotes won't fool anyone here besides an illiterate baboon with a hemorrhaged brain. Nobodies agreeing with a fraction of your moot points except your keyboard. Once again, you're all alone. Feel familiar?

[porkenbeans]

Your Pee Wee Herman quotes won't fool anyone here besides an illiterate baboon with a hemorrhaged brain. Nobodies agreeing with a fraction of your moot points except your keyboard. Once again, you're all alone. Feel familiar?

Your diction is fair.
Your flames are bright
But to hear any logic
May take all night.