The big one is coming....

[Dako]

There's just so much wrong with apple products I don't even know where to start.

Well, I do actually. First, they're overpriced toys.

Second, you don't get to do what you want with the computer you've purchased. You can only download and use apple-approved software products. There's jailbreaking but then I hear apple has started uploading malware to jailbroken ipads & iphones to stop them from working.

I mean, when I buy a computer, or a phone, I want to be able to do what I goddamn please with it, not have big brother watching over my shoulder that I don't install software they don't like. But maybe that's just me.

Apple allows people that buy their products to install verified products with ease. You also don't need to spend hours configuring everything to your need because most of the things are already on top UX level.

Again, if you want to configure your phone or ocmputer the way you want it to be - don't buy apple products. But if you want slick phone with tons of easy ot get features - but iPhone.

So much wrong with Apple products that it is a wonder 20% of mobile phones are iPhones. Miracle!

[trapyoung]

NERD FIGHT!

[Gillipig]

I personally hate apple computers for one simple reason. They're not the same as Microsoft's computers. I've learned how to solve problems, use certain programs and generally navigate Microsoft computers quite well but when I use an apple computer I don't know what to do. Some things are the same but a lot of things are different.

[Dako]

NERD FIGHT!

I have a secret card up my sleve!

I personally hate apple computers for one simple reason. They're not the same as Microsoft's computers. I've learned how to solve problems, use certain programs and generally navigate Microsoft computers quite well but when I use an apple computer I don't know what to do. Some things are the same but a lot of things are different.

That is not Apple problem but your unwillingness to change and adapt to IT progress (which is damn fast to be honest and will be going faster ever now). I know tons of people who are still stuck with XP on their machines. I know it is a good OS, but with each year passing it will be harder and harder for you to chage so better do it now. This change (both to new OS or to another vendor) are relatively easy ad will take from week to a months of your time. After tha you ll get used to a new product and still be very professional with the previous one.

[Gillipig]

I have windows 7 and I bought it pretty soon after it was announced. I'm not against evolving technology, quite the opposite actually. But I find it hard to motivate myself to learn things I already know but can't find or is slightly different (but not particularly much better).

[Extreme Ways]

NERD FIGHT!

I have a secret card up my sleve!

There are better Chuck Norris cards, but this one is nice too.

I personally hate apple computers for one simple reason. They're not the same as Microsoft's computers. I've learned how to solve problems, use certain programs and generally navigate Microsoft computers quite well but when I use an apple computer I don't know what to do. Some things are the same but a lot of things are different.

That is not Apple problem but your unwillingness to change and adapt to IT progress (which is damn fast to be honest and will be going faster ever now). I know tons of people who are still stuck with XP on their machines. I know it is a good OS, but with each year passing it will be harder and harder for you to chage so better do it now. This change (both to new OS or to another vendor) are relatively easy ad will take from week to a months of your time. After tha you ll get used to a new product and still be very professional with the previous one.

It took me longer, but maybe that's because a friend of mine answer all the questions of my mom . Seriously, I don't like Apple Mouses, but the functions you have if you navigate/scroll/etc with your fingers are amazing. I still like MS more though, but I use MS more. At school I use MS, at home I use both. Maybe my preference is also because my father works in the ICT-Branche, and he knows a lot more about MS than about Apple

[TA1LGUNN3R]

So...

1296 participants, 5 dollars each = 6480 dollars.

5 people get a 50 dollar gift certificate, that's 250 dollars.

The apple toy apparently costs around 500 dollars, so that's 750 dollars spent in prizes.

6480 dollars in entry fees.
750 dollars in prizes.

Now I get why Owen was banned for calling CC cheap. Must have hit a nerve.

So is profit no longer allowed?

-TG

[Army of GOD]

If the greater profits lead to a programmer (hopefully not from the Phillipines) being hired, I'm for it.

If it's going to be used to pay off Andy's banana dealer, then I do not support it.

[Bruceswar]

If the greater profits lead to a programmer (hopefully not from the Phillipines) being hired, I'm for it.

If it's going to be used to pay off Andy's banana dealer, then I do not support it.

This! At the first part.

[IcePack]

PS - I like apple.

[Crazyirishman]

So was the big one that Bruce started this thread about: dakusuar's laptop/tablet issues and the ensueing nerdfight about apple and microsoft? If so it is very big one Bruce.

PS- one thing that frustrates me about apple products is every one I've bought works amazingly until like 3 hours after the warrenty expires and then they completely shit the bed.

PSS-I also support the notion of hiring a non philipino programmer

[ljex]

So was the big one that Bruce started this thread about: dakusuar's laptop/tablet issues and the ensueing nerdfight about apple and microsoft? If so it is very big one Bruce.

PS- one thing that frustrates me about apple products is every one I've bought works amazingly until like 3 hours after the warrenty expires and then they completely shit the bed.

PSS-I also support the notion of hiring a non philipino programmer

its PPS not PSS

and yeah a programmer would be cool

[Metsfanmax]

So was the big one that Bruce started this thread about: dakusuar's laptop/tablet issues and the ensueing nerdfight about apple and microsoft? If so it is very big one Bruce.

PS- one thing that frustrates me about apple products is every one I've bought works amazingly until like 3 hours after the warrenty expires and then they completely shit the bed.

PSS-I also support the notion of hiring a non philipino programmer

What's wrong with a Filipino programmer? Code is code. All that matters is that it works. Are you upset that the person writing your code may not have the same color skin as you?

[samuelc812]

So was the big one that Bruce started this thread about: dakusuar's laptop/tablet issues and the ensueing nerdfight about apple and microsoft? If so it is very big one Bruce.

PS- one thing that frustrates me about apple products is every one I've bought works amazingly until like 3 hours after the warrenty expires and then they completely shit the bed.

PSS-I also support the notion of hiring a non philipino programmer

What's wrong with a Filipino programmer? Code is code. All that matters is that it works. Are you upset that the person writing your code may not have the same color skin as you?

I think what he means is that the last 2 programmers were Filipino and they both failed to produce anything of worth.

~Sam

[Army of GOD]

So was the big one that Bruce started this thread about: dakusuar's laptop/tablet issues and the ensueing nerdfight about apple and microsoft? If so it is very big one Bruce.

PS- one thing that frustrates me about apple products is every one I've bought works amazingly until like 3 hours after the warrenty expires and then they completely shit the bed.

PSS-I also support the notion of hiring a non philipino programmer

What's wrong with a Filipino programmer? Code is code. All that matters is that it works. Are you upset that the person writing your code may not have the same color skin as you?

It was a joke because the last two failed programmers were Filipino.

[Army of GOD]

DAMN YOU SAM FOR FAST POSTING ME

[Robinette]

Where's robinette and her countdowns when you need her?

Countdown to the End of Time as we know it


.

457 days? i don't want to wait that long! I want it now!

What is that count down for, exactly?

come on... look at the date... now think about it...

[Crazyirishman]

So was the big one that Bruce started this thread about: dakusuar's laptop/tablet issues and the ensueing nerdfight about apple and microsoft? If so it is very big one Bruce.

PS- one thing that frustrates me about apple products is every one I've bought works amazingly until like 3 hours after the warrenty expires and then they completely shit the bed.

PSS-I also support the notion of hiring a non philipino programmer

What's wrong with a Filipino programmer? Code is code. All that matters is that it works. Are you upset that the person writing your code may not have the same color skin as you?

Yes metsfan, you hit the nail stright on the head, anyone that knows anything would agree that the Philipino, (notice the Ph) is considerably insuperior in terms of programming when compared to other programmers amidst the vast racial spectrum.

[natty dread]

I mean, when I buy a computer, or a phone, I want to be able to do what I goddamn please with it, not have big brother watching over my shoulder that I don't install software they don't like. But maybe that's just me.

Apple allows people that buy their products to install verified products with ease. You also don't need to spend hours configuring everything to your need because most of the things are already on top UX level.

So what you're saying is Apple products are for morons?

You know what, I agree.

Again, if you want to configure your phone or ocmputer the way you want it to be - don't buy apple products. But if you want slick phone with tons of easy ot get features - but iPhone.

Or you could buy a samsung galaxy and get the same features for half the price.

So much wrong with Apple products that it is a wonder 20% of mobile phones are iPhones. Miracle!

Ad populum, and not even a very good one... 80% of mobile phones are not iphones.

[Dako]

So what you're saying is Apple products are for morons?

Nope, I didn't say it. I said that Apple offers products that work in most cases out of the box and you don't need much additional customization.
On the other hand, now you are saying that people who don't want to, quote ... install verified products with ease ... to spend hours configuring everything to your need ... are morons. So every one who owns an Apple phone is a moron to you?

Or you could buy a samsung galaxy and get the same features for half the price.

Never held it my hands so cannot argue here. I can only say that Apple is a proven brand and brands are allowed to take extra money for their names only.

Ad populum, and not even a very good one... 80% of mobile phones are not iphones.

80% phones being not iPhones is not surprising at all compared to 20% of the phones being iPhones. How many major dealers we have, lets take a look: HTC, RIM, Nokia, Sony Ericsson, Samsung, Apple, LG, Motorola, Huawei, ZTE. 10 of them. Yet Apple takes 20% of the market and grew from 16% to 20% in 6 months. Well, that is astonishing.

[Serbia]

Of all the things that could possibly be debated in this thread, why the hell are we having an Apple debate? If you don't like the prize, don't play for it. But I love the socialist mentality that The Man should be handing out MOAR! to the poor minions. And not only MOAR! but better as well, because the poor minions are owed it, because they are the poor minions.

[Gillipig]

Of all the things that could possibly be debated in this thread, why the hell are we having an Apple debate? If you don't like the prize, don't play for it. But I love the socialist mentality that The Man should be handing out MOAR! to the poor minions. And not only MOAR! but better as well, because the poor minions are owed it, because they are the poor minions.

I was going to say the same thing but before I knew it I was dragged into it. I'm allergic to apples. (literally)

[natty dread]

So what you're saying is Apple products are for morons?

Nope, I didn't say it. I said that Apple offers products that work in most cases out of the box and you don't need much additional customization.
On the other hand, now you are saying that people who don't want to, quote ... install verified products with ease ... to spend hours configuring everything to your need ... are morons. So every one who owns an Apple phone is a moron to you?

Pretty much, yeah.

Why must they go to such lengths to try to prevent users from using "non-approved" software on the machines they have paid for? Just put a "void of warranty" statement or something, or make you inapplicable for tech support, but at least give people the option to choose for themselves what they want to do with the products they pay for.

And are you seriously suggesting the only way to make a product user-friendly and not having to spend hours for configuration is to block the usage of non-approved software? That's bullshit. It's plain censorship, nothing more.

Or you could buy a samsung galaxy and get the same features for half the price.

Never held it my hands so cannot argue here. I can only say that Apple is a proven brand and brands are allowed to take extra money for their names only.

Well that just sounds like the exact kind of justifications we always hear from Apple fanboys. Proven brand my ass.

Ad populum, and not even a very good one... 80% of mobile phones are not iphones.

80% phones being not iPhones is not surprising at all compared to 20% of the phones being iPhones. How many major dealers we have, lets take a look: HTC, RIM, Nokia, Sony Ericsson, Samsung, Apple, LG, Motorola, Huawei, ZTE. 10 of them. Yet Apple takes 20% of the market and grew from 16% to 20% in 6 months. Well, that is astonishing.

[/quote]

Oh fine, let's put it this way:

5 billion flies says shit is the tastiest food in the world. Shit must be delicious!


As far as I'm concerned, apple products aren't really computer products - they're fashion accessories. Shiny, blingy, smooth little gadgets with all the bells and whistles to make the consumers go ooh and aah. You don't pay for the processing power or functionality, you pay to make a fashion statement - you pay extra to be able to say "I'm an Apple guy, look how fashionable I am".

And that's what sucks about them. You don't get to use them like you want, you have to use them like Apple wants you to. Apple controls everything and takes a cut out of everything. Well, If I pay for a computer (or a phone), I want to be able to use it to my discretion, and not have the manufacturer put all kinds of terms and conditions on the way I get to use ther product that I've paid for. It's like, you can buy an Apple product, but you can never truly own one.

[Dako]

Well that just sounds like the exact kind of justifications we always hear from Apple fanboys. Proven brand my ass.

And you are calling me an Apple fanboy? That is hilarious. And they are a proven brand, you cannot argue about that.

Oh fine, let's put it this way:

5 billion flies says shit is the tastiest food in the world. Shit must be delicious!

Wow, now you are comparing people who own Apple products to the lowest of insects. You amaze me even more.

As far as I'm concerned, apple products aren't really computer products - they're fashion accessories. Shiny, blingy, smooth little gadgets with all the bells and whistles to make the consumers go ooh and aah. You don't pay for the processing power or functionality, you pay to make a fashion statement - you pay extra to be able to say "I'm an Apple guy, look how fashionable I am".

Yes, exactly that. But Apple didn't introduce this fashion wave. People did so. They decided having Apple products is cool. Apple just made their product that suited needs of a lot of people. Have you ever seen one adv made by Apple that promotes Apple products as fashionable?

And that's what sucks about them. You don't get to use them like you want, you have to use them like Apple wants you to. Apple controls everything and takes a cut out of everything. Well, If I pay for a computer (or a phone), I want to be able to use it to my discretion, and not have the manufacturer put all kinds of terms and conditions on the way I get to use ther product that I've paid for. It's like, you can buy an Apple product, but you can never truly own one.

Yes, they make money out of that. They are the only corporation that owns every step of development process of their phones - factories, distribution, hardware, OS, software, app stores. And you know, every other mobile company (Google and Samsung mostly, but others as well) wants to do the same. Because it brings a lot of money. And in 2012 Q3 you will see a huge shift in mobile platform market.

If you want to use your Apple phone as you like - jailbreak it and do so. When you buy Apple software you buy it on some specific terms. No one stops you from breaking them, but it is their terms and they can set them how they like because they created that product. Does it make them a bad guys? It makes them smart guys at least.

[Dako]

To be honest after rereading your posts I came a certain conclusions.

• You way of arguing humiliates you (comparing ~100 mln people to insects and calling them morons).
• You do not hold any information or numbers about mobile market or Apple products.
• All your sentences were formed on your wounded customer personality.

All those points signaled me that you are not a competent person on this question and I am not willing to move this conversation even more off topic and argue with you anymore. So go along and spread your ideas that Apple is a shit company. I will not interfere because your influence is on the level of a beggar doomsday prophet.