real bad results in c and a (case resolved.)

[Robinette]

feels tainted. .... something that felt clean now feels dirty.

.... I have gradually gotten more and more irate as time goes on and I see just how big this thing was.

This seems to summarize the feelings of a large number of people here that have actually spend the time to look into this more closely...

[Metsfanmax]

You are quite wrong. It has nothing to do with the fact he is Conqueror and everything to do with how he has conducted himself in the past and the very nature of his recent wrongdoing.

The only reason anyone cares about his self-asserted honor is because he's the Conqueror. If he were just some random ranked 1300, no one would care that he was defending his "honor."

Anyway, you've been making this point throughout this thread but it's irrelevant. Sure he's a self-righteous jerk, but that shouldn't affect his punishment.

[Funkyterrance]

Don't people have a right to bitch as long as it is within the guidelines? Nobody is forcing you all to read this particular thread right? I am not trying to be a wiseguy I just think that the point of this thread is basically to vent and discuss the ruling. Someone could just as well say that you should just stop bitching about people bitching. Just because you personally have had enough doesn't mean the whole community has.
If this happens AGAIN to another player it would be unfair to give a different ruling unless this ruling is changed or possibly if the actual rules are changed. Since a vote was cast and the results are pretty obvious, it seems that those who think he should be left alone are severely in the minority. The majority of the poll votes opine that the ruling was not appropriate. You may argue: "well not EVERYONE took the poll". OK, then the next time anyone logs on there should be a poll that pops up asking all paying customers what they think. This would be a good way to exercise some democracy . Otherwise, this is the best gauge you are going to have.
If this were a 1300 point player I would have just as much invested and be just as adamant about it. It just so happens that the case involves the conqueror and so there is a little more scandal which makes it a bit more interesting for some. The principle is really what is being discussed.

[Chariot of Fire]

You are quite wrong. It has nothing to do with the fact he is Conqueror and everything to do with how he has conducted himself in the past and the very nature of his recent wrongdoing.

The only reason anyone cares about his self-asserted honor is because he's the Conqueror. If he were just some random ranked 1300, no one would care that he was defending his "honor."

Anyway, you've been making this point throughout this thread but it's irrelevant. Sure he's a self-righteous jerk, but that shouldn't affect his punishment.

Making what 'point' exactly?

[Robinette]

...... I don't think I'd like to sit a table where the player sitting next to me slips a few extra armies on to the board or starts playing on behalf of another guy sitting opposite me.

hahaha... what a great way to say it...

[Robinette]

[Funkyterrance]

Or how about one player goes to the bathroom and the guy sitting across from you starts attacking for his own best interest with the absent player's armies.

[jefjef]

OK, then the next time anyone logs on there should be a poll that pops up asking all paying customers what they think. This would be a good way to exercise some democracy .

CC is NOT a democracy. It is a private business. The managers of this business made their decision which was fair and balanced and guided by their published rules.

These 21 pages of ranting and whining and mud slinging will only succeed in getting some of you in trouble with the powers to be...

This trash thread should be locked.

[Chariot of Fire]

Love those cartoons Nette. The last one is incredibly apt.

I also believe a certain person should have a certain GC medal rescinded:

Medal Description: Awarded to members that made a noteworthy contribution to the website or community

Though I guess in fairness this is definitely noteworthy! It's gone in my little black book anyway.

[Funkyterrance]

If you read my post carefully you will see that I never said that this site was a democracy I said it would be a good exercise in democracy
Gotcha!
I would however think that a private business would want to satisfy the majority of its customers.
That's just good business.

[Funkyterrance]

Jefjef,

I've read this whole thread and I am curious to see what you think is going to get anyone into "trouble". No one is breaking any rules that I can tell.
From what I have noticed the only posts that are any bit in favor of the ruling are posted by apparent butt kissers, mod wannabes or people who are just "tired of reading it". Like who is forcing you man?

[owenshooter]

this whole thing is really unbelievable and i just wish an apology or an actual response had been given in response to this thread, vs. the "go to your local police precinct and report it" that the community received. i like blitz, i am really confused by all of this and was reluctant to even go through all the C&A thread. when i asked someone what all the fuss was about i received this, and it convinced me to go back into the thread and come to my own conclusion...

For my money the smoking gun is this:

From Blitz's defence post in the original C&A report.....

2011-03-25 22:28:16 - leolou2 [team]: Oh where oh where are you at Jobi
2011-03-25 22:29:21 - leolou2 [team]: You should let Blitz have your PW thur a PM
2011-03-26 15:55:29 - Blitzaholic [team]: did jobi miss another turn? geeez
2011-03-26 16:01:36 - Blitzaholic [team]: all on Black Sheep Squadron (landing point) and NO attacks
2011-03-28 10:00:07 - Jobiwan: blitz for jobi

So clearly he knew Jobiwan was absent. Yet he created new games after the event, invited Jobiwan, then accepted those invites when he sat Jobiwan's account. Take Game 8771783 as a prime example - a game created on 27th March (we know this because 8771781 just happens to be a speed game created on that date, so Blitz's game is not one that had been sitting there awhile waiting for team mates etc).

We have a few dormant players in my clan. It would be no different than me setting up games, inviting those absent players, and then sitting all their turns. And for this I'd get a warning???? I'd expect to get the book thrown at me. And for him to say "I wasn't aware of what I was doing" is just pure bs, yet the powers-that-be seem to have swallowed it.

I'm not after Blitz - his guilt has already been established - but rather to pour scorn on the double standards that are applied by the regulators.

something did indeed happen... this is not a witch hunt... this is not rank/point envy... this thread is not a flame fest (the only insults hurled thus far have been by an admin at Eddie2)... and it is sad that admins are not following this thread and openly discussing the matter with the community so everyone can understand what is going on and how this will never happen again...-the black jesus

[jefjef]

Jefjef,

I've read this whole thread and I am curious to see what you think is going to get anyone into "trouble". No one is breaking any rules that I can tell.
From what I have noticed the only posts that are any bit in favor of the ruling are posted by apparent butt kissers, mod wannabes or people who are just "tired of reading it". Like who is forcing you man?

LMAO. Well I don't wanna be a mod as I'm sure they don't want me to be one either. I'm a terrible butt kisser too. Nor is Blitz on my friends list. I believe CC made a proper decision that was theirs to make. Blitz made a mess and obvious mistakes. It's his 1st infraction. He was warned.

As for trouble I believe a "Prominent CC Member" in this thread is soon to be warned. if it hasn't already been issued.

You all have a nice day.

[Funkyterrance]

So you don't think this whole ordeal is maybe a reflection of the integrity of the entire system? I think that this is the point that most people are trying to make. You are still being very vague. I'm not talking about naming names, just something to back up your "prediction".

[Funkyterrance]

And generally speaking yes, I think that people who publicly try to dictate which threads should exist and which ones shouldn't who are indeed NOT mods and have no such powers must be yearning for SOMETHING.

[Fruitcake]

Staggering.

I am stunned and saddened at the posts by King Achilles. Admin could really have made a better fist of things rather than showing yet further ineptitude just when they seemed to be seeing the light as far as customer service is concerned.

Back regarding sitsaholic. It has come to my attention that he is now trying to say I have created PMs and quotes, before giving him authorship of them. Obviously I haven't unless, in a moment of intense stupidity he thought my version of his note to Robin was actually an attempt by me to make people think it was him. I received multiple emails and PMs telling me this as the writers were so disgusted that once again sitsaholic was proving his nasty underhand ways. He posted his thoughts on this matter in another forum I have no access to. However, it can be said with absolute confidence (by the sheer volume of people who told me, and I am not talking 2 or 3 here but 10 or more) that this is factual information.

So very sad when a person proves to be what one actually hoped they wouldn't be.

[Zhukov1968]

For the record: I have been in numerous games with Bitzaholic, Jobiwan and LeoLou2 and we have won many of them (and we have lost some as well) and I can state quite categorically that there has been no foul playing or cheating.

I have also been in a game with Jobiwan without Blitz and the game has affected adversely by jobiwan's misfortune which can be checked out 8695861.

On a personal note I would like to pass on my condolences to Jobiwan and hope that everything is back to normal soon.

I enjoy playing Conquer Club and as you can see I am happy to lose and am always magnanimous in defeat and would never get involved in any games where I thought there was any foul play involved.

This is my first post as I am interested in gaming not politics, but I do feel it is unfair to accuse people of cheating when they are not. Especially when it involves a bereavement.

[Funkyterrance]

I think it has been established that he WAS cheating. The question is whether or not the punishment was just. There is quite a bit of evidence in this thread that you may find enlightening if you read it through.

[eddie2]

For the record: I have been in numerous games with Bitzaholic, Jobiwan and LeoLou2 and we have won many of them (and we have lost some as well) and I can state quite categorically that there has been no foul playing or cheating.

I have also been in a game with Jobiwan without Blitz and the game has affected adversely by jobiwan's misfortune which can be checked out Game 8695861.

On a personal note I would like to pass on my condolences to Jobiwan and hope that everything is back to normal soon.

I enjoy playing Conquer Club and as you can see I am happy to lose and am always magnanimous in defeat and would never get involved in any games where I thought there was any foul play involved.

This is my first post as I am interested in gaming not politics, but I do feel it is unfair to accuse people of cheating when they are not. Especially when it involves a bereavement.

well you have came in here defending these players if you look at this game you have given us a example of.

1)it was in the time scale of jobiwan gone from the site
2)it must of been his sitter who signed up to the game.

so in effect the player you trust and are defending screwed you over in that game by illegally signing him up to it and deadbeating it. so how much of a friend is that.

[sonicsteve]

The fact he cheated has been proven in regard to the aspect of joining team games as a sitter, he has been found guilty and punished for it.

As terrance rightly says, the main discussions in this thread revolve around whether his peers consider that punishment to be too harsh, just right or too lenient. The vote shows that the majority of the cc community consider the punishment too light and it remains the case that some of his points came from games joined illegally and for which he has been warned.

There is a second aspect for which he has not been found guilty, that is the issue of joining tournament games on jobiwan's behalf (allowable) but with no intention of taking those turns (apparently allowable but morally an abhorrent thing to do*) when he knew jobiwan was away.

Eddie has produced a long list of those games which were allowed to deadbeat, I was in 5 of them myself and the dead beating appears deliberate to me, otherwise why not take at least the first turn when you have dropped the starting turn. Imagine this were two cooks and one cook held both passwords. If he deadbeat out of a large number of the second cook's games, while concurrently joining dubs games and playing both accounts, he could make a quick improvement in his rank.

I contend that this is what has been effected here, although the conqueror only stands to gain a few points from the exercise, which raises questions of why he would do it. It is plausible that to become conqueror using loopholes, you have to focus entirely on points using any tiny marginal gain available and seize any opportunity to stay ahead. A person who is desperate to be well ahead at the top has a motive.

the points gained through what many in this thread see as point dumping of jobiwan's account may be small, and there is no rule which says a sitter has sit properly, but it is the principle which is important. As I already mentioned, I doubt a cook would be cleared of this second charge.



*and particularly cruel when that person is supposed to be a friend who has lost a loved one

[Dako]

The most disappointing thing in this thread is the lack of admins and multihunters that are not discussing this matter (an important one) with the public. Looks like they a) do not have their own opinion, b) they think they are right in their decision and are above us.

If it is a) - wow, too bad that people ruling this site and enforcing the punishments do not know their own heroes and cannot say what they think on the subject, because, well, they are outside of it.
If it is b), then it speaks for itself.

I've been an admin on a huge forum (10k users and they didn't have gaming part of the site, just the boards itself) and I know what infractions can lead to. If you do not know your community - too bad, it will get out of control very fast.

Right now this is the thing that pisses me off the most. No word from colored guys.

[eddie2]

If another situation arises, then we will investigate it according to what the facts will show. It may or may not give a different result.

If you do not agree with the verdict, go to your local police station and file a complaint.

Also if this thread is going into 'crucifying' blitzaholic or any other person for that matter, then this thread needs to be locked. For those posts that you see as flaming/baiting or trolling, feel free to report all those posts that you deem as such.

ok a small situation has arrisen from the closed c and a reports page.

[These cases have been closed. If you would like to appeal the decision of the hunter please open a ticket on the help page and the case will be looked into by a second hunter.]

i appealed your decision via e ticket but you are dealing with the appeal. Sorry but why have something stated but not go by it.

ps how childish was that comment about the police station members of the community were asking for you to get involved to let us know our accounts would be safe if we use sitters

[josko.ri]

I think warning is enough punishment. admins should respect what Blitz did for CC in last few years, including medal for noteworthy contribution that he got, and many other activities, including reporting cheaters. whoever thinks he is guilty and need to be punished harder, please read his response in C&A thread, it sounds honest to me. he broke the rule, it is without any doubt, but I dont think that he had huge point increasing plan behind that what he did.

and it is very sad how power of someone cause envy in eyes of others. I am sure that this case have so much publicity and constantly trying to get harder punishment only because it is against the conqueror. if it is anyone else except Blitz, the case would be fogotten after "warining" decision in C&A. but he is conqueror and probably the most known player in CC history, so let s blame him as much as possible in as many as possible ways

I think he is not proud on what he did, and I think punishing him with warning is enough, his reputation and honor is enough destroyed with receiving warning for what he did.

[eddie2]

I think warning is enough punishment. admins should respect what Blitz did for CC in last few years, including medal for noteworthy contribution that he got, and many other activities, including reporting cheaters. whoever thinks he is guilty and need to be punished harder, please read his response in C&A thread, it sounds honest to me. he broke the rule, it is without any doubt, but I dont think that he had huge point increasing plan behind that what he did.

and it is very sad how power of someone cause envy in eyes of others. I am sure that this case have so much publicity and constantly trying to get harder punishment only because it is against the conqueror. if it is anyone else except Blitz, the case would be fogotten after "warining" decision in C&A. but he is conqueror and probably the most known player in CC history, so let s blame him as much as possible in as many as possible ways

I think he is not proud on what he did, and I think punishing him with warning is enough, his reputation and honor is enough destroyed with receiving warning for what he did.

you are missing the point of this thread it is for future events like this. like most have said warning was enough because it is all they could do for what he was found guilty of.(i feel he should of been found guilty of the other charge as well but that is in e ticket) he found a loophole in the rules and abused it. This is what people want changed.

[josko.ri]

he found a loophole in the rules and abused it. This is what people want changed.

then why blame him constantly? blame the ones who made loophole if you think that loophole is made, and try to change it for future. but dont try to get higher punishment for him for behaviour that no higher punishment are declared in current rules.