Dugcarr has went too far- I suggest he should be banned

by **hendy** on Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:14 pm

Sammy gags wrote:You are confused hendy, nobody is on your side, you are not helping anybody

I have been fighting for dug longer then you (insert your own flame here)

by **Anarkistsdream** on Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:15 pm

Anybody bitching about this is an idiot... Dugcarr was a fucking prick... And not even good at it.. f*ck him, and f*ck all the people that don't like being here...

Leave the site... 5 Whole paying members, Sammy Gags! Who gives a f*ck, when that will make sure that 10 more people KEEP their accounts because people like Dug are gone...

by **Kid_A** on Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:27 pm

Anarkistsdream wrote:f*ck all the people that don't like being here...

Leave the site... 5 Whole paying members, Sammy Gags! Who gives a f*ck, when that will make sure that 10 more people KEEP their accounts because people like Dug are gone...

by **wacicha** on Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:52 pm

the nerve of mr lackattack being concerned that a player at HIS site might hurt the integrity of this site.

Then addressing it and fixing it!!!!!

I stand behind him 100% ...

thank you Lack

by **qeee1** on Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:55 pm

Woah woah woah people...

...whatever about duggcarr getting banned, he had some good points about the scoring system, he was contraversial, he used tactics you might not agree with, BUT don't just call him a prick, don't flame him when he can't respond. Some people here seem to really hate dug. Honestly now that dugs been banned you guys come across as bad winners. Flame hendy or sammy if you must, or point out why they're wrong (if they are wrong), but don't just flame dug. Don't act with smug satisfaction now that he's been banned. The smugness is killing me. I'll hate you if you do. I won't leave (well actually I'm leaving on a completely unrelated note), but I'll hate you.

Can I ask is dug banned permanently, or for the 4 months or what? Also surely just stripping him of premium would have solved the problem?

by **Sammy gags** on Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:08 pm

He is leaving...
You should have atleast sent him a formal warning before you sent disciplinary actions, he did not know he was breaking any rules

by **Sammy gags** on Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:15 pm

2007-03-30 19:59:08 - dugcarr1: no shit, i joined subjects games to TALK to him u fucking retards,,,,kinda hard to do when i didnt have his email and not aloud to pm him or read my PMs.
2007-03-30 20:00:18 - dugcarr1: and your AMERICAN socity fucking thrives on bending rules and finding loopholes with NO morals
2007-03-30 20:01:53 - dugcarr1: so does canada to a lesser extent, that is a FREE socity u fucking commies. not punishing and banning poeple on morals or what u think is right or wrong
2007-03-30 20:02:26 - dugcarr1: KIM ILL would love this place,, i would PM him and tell him , but im not aloud
2007-03-30 21:17:58 - dugcarr1: u post that?
2007-03-30 22:37:29 - dugcarr1: please post thisunder genral discusion under dugcarr1 has gone to fare
2007-03-30 22:38:13 - dugcarr1: read that ,,,,,im banned only can finsh my games( the 20 outa 80 they didnt cancell on me and everyone else midgame)
2007-03-30 22:38:54 - dugcarr1: i cannt read PMs or send them or post in forum
2007-03-30 22:49:42 - dugcarr1: i want a refund on my 30$$ i havnt used yet, or my 1.5 years left to go to hendy,,,

by **wicked** on Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:16 pm

umm, wasn't dug given free premium from Roger, or something like that???

and how hard is it to ask for someone's email or MSN? lol

by **monkton** on Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:16 am

He asked through gamechat that someone post a response for him...a chance to be heard, and who can begrudge him that. his statement is at game # 313473

by **monkton** on Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:27 am

okay - i feel a little pawn-ish, but i also think everyone should have a chance to plead his/her case. so - here's dugcarr1's statement (and then back to your normally scheduled programming):

2007-03-24 19:22:41 - dugcarr1: ty,,,,u guys look good thia game
2007-03-28 20:03:08 - dugcarr1: I NEED you guys to make a post on my behalf could u do that?
2007-03-29 21:35:01 - dugcarr1: post this,,,,,,,,, THEY cancelled half my games, with out even an explanation,,, i have 1.5 years of prepaid membership i would like back,,,,,
2007-03-29 21:35:49 - dugcarr1: 30$$.... and i hope other people wake up to the place this has become,,,,,,
2007-03-29 21:36:24 - dugcarr1: and i wouldny feel very bad if others Jihaded and asked for refund
2007-03-29 21:37:39 - dugcarr1: I hope some of u realize there is so much else in life to do and accomplish beside playing here all day. please think about the time spent here and how it could be used more wizly
2007-03-29 21:38:53 - dugcarr1: choke on 1 CC
2007-03-30 12:42:19 - dugcarr1: He had become what is known as a griefer account, out to hurt CC as much as possible.
2007-03-30 12:42:59 - dugcarr1: says lack,,,,,,,,,apaoligize and at least take that 1 bullshit comment back
2007-03-30 12:43:44 - dugcarr1: or u aint seen nothing yet,,,,,,,,,i guarentee,,,TRY ME
2007-03-30 12:44:19 - Sammy gags: dugcarr1: i just needed to say somthing to someone,,, not planing on any more doubles
2007-03-30 13:59:08 - dugcarr1: no shit, i joined subjects games to TALK to him u fucking retards,,,,kinda hard to do when i didnt have his email and not aloud to pm him or read my PMs.
2007-03-30 14:00:18 - dugcarr1: and your AMERICAN socity fucking thrives on bending rules and finding loopholes with NO morals
2007-03-30 14:01:53 - dugcarr1: so does canada to a lesser extent, that is a FREE socity u fucking commies. not punishing and banning poeple on morals or what u think is right or wrong
2007-03-30 14:02:26 - dugcarr1: KIM ILL would love this place,, i would PM him and tell him , but im not aloud
2007-03-30 15:17:58 - dugcarr1: u post that?
2007-03-30 16:37:29 - dugcarr1: please post thisunder genral discusion under dugcarr1 has gone to fare
2007-03-30 16:38:13 - dugcarr1: read that ,,,,,im banned only can finsh my games( the 20 outa 80 they didnt cancell on me and everyone else midgame)
2007-03-30 16:38:54 - dugcarr1: i cannt read PMs or send them or post in forum
2007-03-30 16:49:42 - dugcarr1: i want a refund on my 30$$ i havnt used yet, or my 1.5 years left to go to hendy,,,

by **alex_white101** on Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:28 am

if this was a lower ranked person who had done exaclty what dug had done not a single person would think he was underserving of being cancelled or banned. simply because he was a good player you are putting up a fuss. this is ridiculous.

what the mods have done is completely justified.

by **chewyman** on Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:50 am

If the mods are going to ban him then they should be refunding his money. If they do that I have no problems but otherwise it's disgraceful.

by **tahitiwahini** on Sat Mar 31, 2007 6:35 am

Read dugcarr1's manifesto and then read Wikipedia's definition of a griefer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefer

Even if there was the slightest doubt in your mind (and I don't know why in the world there would be) Dug helpfully opened his yap again and removed all doubt about his intentions.

From Dug's manifesto:

2007-03-30 19:59:08 - dugcarr1: no shit, i joined subjects games to TALK to him u fucking retards,,,,kinda hard to do when i didnt have his email and not aloud to pm him or read my PMs.

Exactly how many games do you have to join in order to talk with one of the players. I think I could do it with one game. What do you think?

But I do have to agree with Dug about one thing: a refund is definitely due here.

Dugcarr1 should refund the memberships of every innocent player he defrauded in his point give-away scam.

Well, as Dug so eloquently expressed it:

2007-03-29 21:37:39 - dugcarr1: I hope some of u realize there is so much else in life to do and accomplish beside playing here all day. please think about the time spent here and how it could be used more wizly

So I would say the mods did him a favor.

This has got to have been the easiest decision the mods have ever had to make. If it wasn't, it should have been.

by **Sammy gags** on Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:17 am

Sammy gags wrote:You should have atleast sent him a formal warning before you sent disciplinary actions, he did not know he was breaking any rules

The mods did make a fair decision, maybe not even harsh enough...however you cannot really punish somebody unless it is a known or clearly stated rule that you cannot do it. Since the invisible rule was niether, dug deserved a strict warning before he was actually punished

by **Robinette** on Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:04 pm

chewyman wrote:If the mods are going to ban him then they should be refunding his money. If they do that I have no problems but otherwise it's disgraceful.

Ever been to a concert, a baseball game, a car race, Disneyland?
When someone is thrown out, I have never seen them stop by the ticket booth to count out change...

by **wicked** on Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:09 pm

chewyman wrote:If the mods are going to ban him then they should be refunding his money. If they do that I have no problems but otherwise it's disgraceful.

Get your facts straight. It's not his money. He was given a premium membership paid for by a generous person.

by **Sammy gags** on Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:04 pm

2007-03-31 02:28:00 - dugcarr1: thanks for not even emailing me and telling me why u robbed me of my 2 year prepaid membership u lazy poor ecuse of a moderator
2007-03-31 02:28:31 - dugcarr1: no fucking expanation eh,,,,, real neat site u running here,,,,,
2007-03-31 02:29:05 - dugcarr1: one day u guys will wake the f*ck up,,,,, THIS ISNT REALITLY! theres more to do in life
2007-03-31 02:29:54 - dugcarr1: JUST SAY NO TO CC,,,,,,,,,F U WICKED,,,,,,people like u are why a women has never been and never will be presedent
2007-03-31 02:31:35 - dugcarr1: looks like u forgot to "accedantly delete" this game,,,,,u fucking joke,,,who would believe it was an accident,,,
2007-03-31 02:31:58 - dugcarr1: guess it was a coincedence eh? get a life
2007-03-31 02:33:11 - dugcarr1: feel free to post this as well,,, i would apreacate it as i think people deserve to here,,,,O ya free speach isnt aloud here eather I forgot
2007-03-31 17:37:54 - dugcarr1: Wicked bitch says..."wow, asking for a refund for something you never paid? that's pretty low. "
2007-03-31 17:39:28 - dugcarr1: i lready explained to peons thats u dont give me a refund give my 1.5 years to hendy,,,, i had 1 membership givin to me (NOT U) (U HAVE NOT EREANED A GIFT AS SUCH) and i payed for 1
2007-03-31 17:40:46 - dugcarr1: I can show u my credit card recipet if u guys "ACCIDENTLY" erased those records like u clam u "ACCIDENTLY" erased 50 of my games
2007-03-31 17:41:20 - dugcarr1: AND IM STILL WAITING ON AT LEAST 1 EMAIL EXPLAINING YOUR ACTIONS
2007-03-31 17:41:32 - dugcarr1: no one has told me shit

by **spring1** on Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:45 pm

Let’s see if I have this straight…

Blitz, like many other players and whether he/she realizes it or not, manipulates the scoring system to achieve a higher rank/point total. Personally, I couldn’t care less. However, for their own personal reasons, people such as Dugcarr1 do care…he let it bother him enough to go as far as offering a bribe to take over someone else’s account simply to sabotage Blitz. Discussions over his moral and ethical actions are bound to occur and have…they are, however, completely and utterly irrelevant with regard to monetary consequences.
There was no explicit rule regarding this type of conduct and more importantly, money never exchanged hands. One could offer to pay for sex, bribe a cop, etc…legally (at least in the U.S.A.), they’ve done nothing wrong in a court’s eyes as long as nothing exchanges hands and the illegal act in question isn’t committed.
Lackattack…if I understand this correctly, you have decided to ban Dugcarr1 (for how long, I don’t know) for starting games with the sole intention of suiciding in them. Why is that? Is it because he premeditated his actions? If so, then perhaps you should randomly check game chats for people who announce that, because they don’t like the way a given game is being played, they are going to “suicide”. It’s ridiculous. This may be your website, but don’t forget that you charge a fee for certain provided services. And, yes, while you may reserve the right to revoke site privileges if posted rules are broken, you’re just as wrong to revoke them based on what you or the site majority might personally consider to be immoral actions…especially when someone is paying you for your service. Then again…it is just my opinion…

On a side note…

I find it amusing how the vast majority of people who responded to this thread consider Dug to be far too serious. I played one game with Dug awhile ago…I, too, found him to be crude, obnoxious, and initially irritating as hell. As my experience with this site grew, I saw what he was doing…he was manipulating people…pitting them against one another so that he would benefit. This tactic isn’t necessarily my cup of tea, so I mentally chose to not play any more games with him and moved on…One thing I have to give him credit for though…I never received a PM from him asking me for support…asking me to basically kiss his ass in public…asking me to bathe him in a radiating spew of self-righteous compliments…asking me to do what Blitz did:

From: Blitzaholic
To: spring1
Posted: 02 Mar 2007 07:38
Subject: blitz privmsg.php?mode=quote&p=630450privmsg.php?mode=quote&p=630450

hey my friend, any support you could give me in cc forum, under general discussion, then click 4000, this would be super, it is a congrats on 1st ever to reach 4K, coming from a great player like yourself this would mean a lot, again ty and hope to see and play you soon or with you, have fun, take care, peace blitz

Dug may be a conniving ass, but exactly what does this type of PM tell you about Blitz? I can’t speak for anyone else, but in my eyes, it makes Blitz a pompous, narcissistic, far-too-proud ass who takes this game as serious as Dug or more so…I’m not sure exactly which one is worse. At least Dug is true to who he is…

Talk about jumping on a band wagon and then pretending not to be hypocritical...

by **mandalorian2298** on Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:49 pm

Sammy gags wrote:He is leaving...
You should have atleast sent him a formal warning before you sent disciplinary actions, he did not know he was breaking any rules

So you are saying that guy was intelligent enough to become General, but he didn't know that BRIBING PEOPLE is against the rules.

Narc made a good point: Dug and dugoids may leave, but people who were thinking about leaving because he gets away with all kinds of cheating won't.
Site full of dugoids=unattractive place.
Site without dugoids, but with people who play risk with a basic sense of honor=nice people that more members join.

Good and brave call mods. =D>

by **tahitiwahini** on Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:40 pm

spring1 wrote:Let’s see if I have this straight…

No, you don't.

Dug ran a fraudulent scheme to screw innocent players who were unfortunate enough to partner with him so that he could give his and more importantly their points to friends. To the extent that his friends knew he was doing this and participated in the scam they should be banned as well. To the extent that they knew from his postings that this was what he was going to do in his final games (and he basically advertised that's what he would do) and they participated in games with him, then they are all guilty of having a secret alliance, which violates one of the two rules that govern CC (i.e., no secret alliances).

Couple this with the fact that Dug was caught attempting to bribe someone so that he could violate the other rule of the site (no multiple accounts -- in effect he attempted to purchase someone else's account), and you have a player who went out of his way to do everything to damage this site that he could dream up.

Lack said it the best, at the end he was a griefer pure and simple. You not only have his actions, but you have his statements showing intent.

The site is immeasurably better off without him. The only further question in my mind is whether his friends who participated in his game-throwing scam should follow him out the door as well.

As for Blitz, I don't know him, haven't played him, don't have any particular desire to play him (and as I don't play partner games I probably have a pretty slim likelihood of playing him in the future), and I don't really care a whole lot about his score, but from all I've heard he is an honorable player who no one as far as I know as even so much as accused of doing anything illegal or unsportsmanlike.

His infraction you mention, if you can call it that, rises to the level of a breach of etiquette. If he's really upset you I suggest perhaps not inviting him to your next tea social. If the worst you can accuse Blitz of is wanting people to like him, and you think that that puts him on the same level with Dug, then all I can say is your judgment is sadly lacking.

by **qeee1** on Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:49 pm

tahitiwahini wrote: If the worst you can accuse Blitz of is wanting people to like him, and you think that that puts him on the same level with Dug, then all I can say is your judgment is sadly lacking.

One thing you can say about Dug is that's one fault he's never had. Probably why I love the old bugger.