[Unofficial] HALL OF FAME

[Fruitcake]

IMHO opinion. Any and all names registered should be considered barring obvious deficiancies.
Ie not actually being a regular member of this site for several years. Pretty much as long as they aren't no-namers then everyones name should be considered. Regardless of personal issues one person has with each other.
I cant speak for Andy and the rest of the admin. But im positive they would agree

The voice of reason.

I am hugely concerned that you seem to have a huge bias against one or more people Blitz. I think it must be agreed that your opinion, or any one else’s for that matter, can have no bearing on whether a name is put forward for selection. The only time any influence can be exerted would be in the case of Admin not putting a name forward should they decide to produce a list in the first place. Should this all be done by open vote then no one can refuse any one to be put forward.

Ok, the 5 days have passed. Thanks to everybody who volunteered.

I think this 5 days, arbitrarily decided, cannot be used. Once again this subject is being forced forwards with little regard for the usual protocols in such matters. At this rate we will end up with a half baked “Blitz's Mates Awards” (after all, it seems Blitz still has it in his head that he can decide who gets in on the nominations for election and who doesn't.)

We really need to have this outstanding matter settled, and an undertaking that any and all are allowed to put their names forward before closing off any list. I already see that when the list is posted, certain people will not be on it due to Blitz deciding, in his wisdom, that he does not like them. This cannot and must not be allowed to happen.

Im interested but Ive been told Blitz has decided to black ball me and has said its because hes chairman of the committee so he can do what he wants.
If Im not mistaken this is a public venture and not something called Blitz's Hall of Fame but Rather CC Hall of Fame
And he says hes chairman? Should this not be an elected position also? Not to deny all the hard work hes put into it but Since this is CC's hall of fame it seems like anyone who wants to help should be allowed and all positions should be up for vote

Sorry, but I think I'd need to see some sort of proof of this.

I would think that the postings from Blitz are pretty much positive evidence of this. In response I would want absolute assurance no person was debarred.

Blitz, you have singularly failed, once again, to address issues pointed out to you in my earlier post. You have completely ignored the correction I made regarding JPs post (which is pretty much your MO I have noticed).

Lastly, I must take issue with you once more Blitz. Your comments regarding lokisgal above are unworthy and unnecessary. You have continued to personally attack some one whilst writing in such a way as to cast doubt without being factual. You have ignored my warnings regarding the ‘nudge nudge wink wink’ style you have used to blacken a name, a quite disgraceful way to carry on. If you have a real issue regarding lokisgal being put forward then take it up behind the public arena with her personally. Your actions are not fitting for some one who holds themselves out to be a leader of this whole concept, in fact I would go so far as to say your actions would only serve to make any one who reads your vitriol to feel they would not want you any where near any decision that involved awarding anything such is the level of your subjectivity!

[Seulessliathan]

if two players have serious problems with each other and it´s obvious that this drama will continue, i think it might be helpful not to consider both until these issues are solved , after that both can work on this stuff again. People who aren´t able to solve these problems and cause drama instead of focusing on the project are maybe not the addults we look for.

[Blitzaholic]

if two players have serious problems with each other and it´s obvious that this drama will continue, i think it might be helpful not to consider both until these issues are solved , after that both can work on this stuff again. People who aren´t able to solve these problems and cause drama instead of focusing on the project are maybe not the addults we look for.

exactly, we cannot have this, this is why, I suggested she not be on, because in other posts she was not interested in this HoF, and of course, I obviously was. For the rest of you who do not know the facts, stay out of it, because you have no clue. also, it may be good to extend the time another week fenrir.

I missed the part where Blitz is the chairman.

I'm assuming that after the public votes, that within that group of players, they will internally select a chairman (or woman) from amongst them. Blitz would still have to get public votes as well. I think Blitz is better off being on the criteria group personally.

You do this all the time Blitz and I cannot figure why. JP is saying, quite clearly, that you along with everyone else would have to be voted for. You do not know that most would find you best suited to be the chair, so to say so is incorrect and infers you have already decided this. He also mentions categorically that he feels you would be best on any committee that decides Criteria, he does not mention any public Committee who would either nominate or award (should the community go down this route).

You misread what I said fruitycakes, you seem to do this all the time, I never said I was chairman, and I do not care if I am chairman, I am in the criteria committee as that is where many felt I would serve best, we can have a vote on the chair at a later date and run a poll, but, we need people interested in being the chair first. I will also pm loki to resolve this maturely.

JP is correct, basically most found me to be best suited for the criteria committee. I am open to chair and several suggested that I should be chair or am chair, but, currently I am not. I am willing to do whatever CC/admin feels is best

[lokisgal]

I have no issue with Blitz nor anyone else whos volunteered to be a part of this. I was under the impression that everyone who was interested would be put up for a vote.

[happy2seeyou]

Do you still need people for this?

[Blitzaholic]

Do you still need people for this?

sure, pm master fenrir, also I tried to pm lokisgal to compromise and no response. Again, I did what others suggested.

[happy2seeyou]

Do you still need people for this?

sure, pm master fenrir,

Alrighty, will do.

[lokisgal]

also I tried to pm lokisgal to compromise and no response. Again, I did what others suggested.

Blitz you pmed me at 8:56 am and at 9:12 you posted this. I dont get paid to respond to pms with in a 15 min time. Patience is a virtue eh

[Blitzaholic]

also I tried to pm lokisgal to compromise and no response. Again, I did what others suggested.

Blitz you pmed me at 8:56 am and at 9:12 you posted this. I dont get paid to respond to pms with in a 15 min time. Patience is a virtue eh

lol, you read it immediately though. hey, at least I was being nice, eh.

[happy2seeyou]

Do I need to put you two in separate corners? Send you to bed without dinner? Lets get back on track in here. Unless you like having everyone know your dirty deeds

[Chuuuuck]

So do we have any idea who will be on the selection committee? I can put in some usergroup for criteria (which I don't want to be in) and then removed.

[Blitzaholic]

So do we have any idea who will be on the selection committee? I can put in some usergroup for criteria (which I don't want to be in) and then removed.

no, we have around 20 players who have showed interest, master fenrir is going to keep this open for another week to allow more volunteers if interested. He then will create public polls with the names to have the public vote. I already have a user group for the criteria committee and we have already started hashing ideas and andy and lack both have been invited to oversee the criteria committee if they choose to help preserve the integrity of it.

[Chuuuuck]

So do we have any idea who will be on the selection committee? I can put in some usergroup for criteria (which I don't want to be in) and then removed.

no, we have around 20 players who have showed interest, master fenrir is going to keep this open for another week to allow more volunteers if interested. He then will create public polls with the names to have the public vote. I already have a user group for the criteria committee and we have already started hashing ideas and andy and lack both have been invited to oversee the criteria committee if they choose to help preserve the integrity of it.

Thanks. I am guessing that is why I was kicked out of it! But I am okay with that because I don't really want to be in that argument.

[Seulessliathan]

I missed the part where Blitz is the chairman.

did he say he would be chairman? let´s have a look:

You misread what I said fruitycakes, you seem to do this all the time, I never said I was chairman, and I do not care if I am chairman, I am in the criteria committee as that is where many felt I would serve best, we can have a vote on the chair at a later date and run a poll, but, we need people interested in being the chair first. I will also pm loki to resolve this maturely.

Blitz isn´t chairman, ok .... but, wait .... what is this?

I would be the Chair of the group, the supervisor, manager, chair, whatever, it was my idea and I would oversee it, and admin. could assist me, we could do it dually. The jurors I figured I would get an idea of all who would like to be a part of it, if any more are interested, please post, in time if we get a lot, we do a poll and filter some out. The impartial group are players all that have been posting in this thread, sending me pm's, etc. many disagreed, argued, etc. on the criteria, i have gathered input form almost every player and added it, (except qwert) I need him to post again, I guess I forgot his suggestion), then I am tally all the suggestion or criteria (whatever) and adding them all up. I am getting a base criteria sort of speak and potential indicators for the panel or juror to review or take into consideration. We are kind of on the same page fruitcake and I have all this in mind and in my head, I just have not posted everything as of yet. I am trying to making this an easy as possible for the potential juror's by collecting all input from every pm, post, etc and lumping it all together and then slowly condensing it. As we proceed all in cc have input and continue to post their thoughts.

so you will be chairman? or not?

you need to reread my post

ok, we will do

I would be the Chair of the group, the supervisor, manager, chair, whatever, it was my idea and I would oversee it, and admin.

ok, you would be the chairman, but didn´t you just say:

You misread what I said fruitycakes, you seem to do this all the time ....

suprised? obviously we will all misread you when you contradict yourself Blitz.

you need to read what I post again

didn´t help, you still contradict yourself

[Natascha]

Heya,

Sorry for my late reaction, but I was quite busy and only had time now to check and read these threads about this Hall of Fame.

If you need more volunteers, you can count on me.

And last but not least: again Blitz you put great effort & lots of time in a very good idea, people like you keep CC running & keeps it great fun. May be not everybody agrees with ideas, but you cannot satisfy whole communty and I think this is great work again.

Complainers shout most in threads, but I like to say: respect for your great work again.

Tap my head again for you & if you need help, volunteer or ? no problem you can count on me.

greetz,
Leia

[Blitzaholic]

I missed the part where Blitz is the chairman.

did he say he would be chairman? let´s have a look:

You misread what I said fruitycakes, you seem to do this all the time, I never said I was chairman, and I do not care if I am chairman, I am in the criteria committee as that is where many felt I would serve best, we can have a vote on the chair at a later date and run a poll, but, we need people interested in being the chair first. I will also pm loki to resolve this maturely.

Blitz isn´t chairman, ok .... but, wait .... what is this?

I would be the Chair of the group, the supervisor, manager, chair, whatever, it was my idea and I would oversee it, and admin. could assist me, we could do it dually. The jurors I figured I would get an idea of all who would like to be a part of it, if any more are interested, please post, in time if we get a lot, we do a poll and filter some out. The impartial group are players all that have been posting in this thread, sending me pm's, etc. many disagreed, argued, etc. on the criteria, i have gathered input form almost every player and added it, (except qwert) I need him to post again, I guess I forgot his suggestion), then I am tally all the suggestion or criteria (whatever) and adding them all up. I am getting a base criteria sort of speak and potential indicators for the panel or juror to review or take into consideration. We are kind of on the same page fruitcake and I have all this in mind and in my head, I just have not posted everything as of yet. I am trying to making this an easy as possible for the potential juror's by collecting all input from every pm, post, etc and lumping it all together and then slowly condensing it. As we proceed all in cc have input and continue to post their thoughts.

so you will be chairman? or not?

you need to reread my post

ok, we will do

I would be the Chair of the group, the supervisor, manager, chair, whatever, it was my idea and I would oversee it, and admin.

didn´t help, you still contradict yourself

seul, lol, you are way behind and late m8, the time I said the quote you posted was weeks ago, I recently over the last week or so told all I am not interested in the Chair, (although several suggested I should including fruitcake) but, we already have a candidate or two in mind and it is not me seul. You are living in the past, much has changed since that post you dug up, once again, being clueless. I told many that I was giving up control and sharing the load and all will have equal say.

[Seulessliathan]

I never said I was chairman

I would be the Chair of the group, ....

seul, lol, you are way behind and late m8, the time I said the quote you posted was weeks ago, I recently over the last week or so told all I am not interested in the Chair, (although several suggested I should including fruitcake) but, we already have a candidate or two in mind and it is not me seul. You are living in the past, much has changed since that post you dug up, once again, being clueless. I told many that I was giving up control and sharing the load and all will have equal say.

Blitz, i have read both threads. You have answered some questions and react on some requests, but many posts are still ignored. We can´t force you to read all of them and to answer all these questions, this would be close to a full time job. And i see all the efforts you do in working together with all the players who posted in both threads.

But to tell Fruitcake that he still missreads your posts is ...... um .... strange? It´s really rare that you really reply to his questions. And when you do, there are reactions like the quotes above.

It doesn´t matter if the first quote is already 2-3 weeks old, to say ....

I never said I was chairman

after you said:

I would be the Chair of the group, ....

..... is just wrong.
i don´t say you lie on purpose, i´m sure you want to make this work and don´t try to sabotage your own idea, but don´t you understand that your posts can sometimes be .... confusing? I don´t believe that guys like chipv and Fruitcake missread your posts, they are native speakers and after reading their reactions i believe they know what they talk about.

I like this Hall of Fame idea and wish you good luck with this project, but flaming loki or frustrating guys like chipv and Fruitcake doesn´t help you on that way. Please keep the flame war out of this, listen to all the suggestions and this project will be something good for CC.

good luck

PS: did you miss the key word "both" in my post about keeping out players who fight about personal issues? i was suprised you agreed about my post.

[Blitzaholic]

I never said I was chairman

I would be the Chair of the group, ....

seul, lol, you are way behind and late m8, the time I said the quote you posted was weeks ago, I recently over the last week or so told all I am not interested in the Chair, (although several suggested I should including fruitcake) but, we already have a candidate or two in mind and it is not me seul. You are living in the past, much has changed since that post you dug up, once again, being clueless. I told many that I was giving up control and sharing the load and all will have equal say.

Blitz, i have read both threads. You have answered some questions and react on some requests, but many posts are still ignored. We can´t force you to read all of them and to answer all these questions, this would be close to a full time job. And i see all the efforts you do in working together with all the players who posted in both threads.

But to tell Fruitcake that he still missreads your posts is ...... um .... strange? It´s really rare that you really reply to his questions. And when you do, there are reactions like the quotes above.

It doesn´t matter if the first quote is already 2-3 weeks old, to say ....

I never said I was chairman

after you said:

I would be the Chair of the group, ....

..... is just wrong.
i don´t say you lie on purpose, i´m sure you want to make this work and don´t try to sabotage your own idea, but don´t you understand that your posts can sometimes be .... confusing? I don´t believe that guys like chipv and Fruitcake missread your posts, they are native speakers and after reading their reactions i believe they know what they talk about.

I like this Hall of Fame idea and wish you good luck with this project, but flaming loki or frustrating guys like chipv and Fruitcake doesn´t help you on that way. Please keep the flame war out of this, listen to all the suggestions and this project will be something good for CC.

good luck

PS: did you miss the key word "both" in my post about keeping out players who fight about personal issues? i was suprised you agreed about my post.

seul, again, you are way behind m8, awhile back, I was going to be chair, because nobody was stepping foward, then some was not sure about that idea, so I thought about it. As JP said earlier in this thread, as far as we know blitz is on criteria committee and I said JP is correct. I am not on chair and have no interest in it, I have said this for awhile now. You digging up old posts. I discussed with others and we may of found someone that is willing. You do NOT have all the facts seul, for the last time, I have no interest in being chair, if I did, you would know about it, because I would tell you. Fruitcake earlier this morning told me I should be chair as well, but, I told him and others NO. I got tot much going on, things change.

[Blitzaholic]

For the record, to the best of my knowledge, this is what's being worked on now.

Excellent , looks like all 3 of us are on the same page.

So, Blitz a quick summary would be

Fruitcake and I are in favour of 2 groups:

1. Criteria
2. Jury

Group 1 should not be public whilst group 2 should be.

I don't know what's getting lost in translation, but as of about noon, this was the plan. Everybody should be smiling now, correct?

correct fenrir

If I can help in anyway. Just give me a yell. Oh and congrats on the star blitzy.

ok, I let fenrir know, thx for the interest. also, I just lost my star but thx anyways

[Fruitcake]

seul, again, you are way behind m8, awhile back, I was going to be chair, because nobody was stepping foward, then some was not sure about that idea, so I thought about it. As JP said earlier in this thread, as far as we know blitz is on criteria committee and I said JP is correct. I am not on chair and have no interest in it, I have said this for awhile now. You digging up old posts. I discussed with others and we may of found someone that is willing. You do NOT have all the facts seul, for the last time, I have no interest in being chair, if I did, you would know about it, because I would tell you. Fruitcake earlier this morning told me I should be chair as well, but, I told him and others NO. I got tot much going on, things change.

Blitz, will you stop putting words in my authorship which are not correct. What I said was in response to your saying you didn't want to put your name forward. My response was (and I quote) Actually Blitz, I think you SHOULD put your name forward, along with everyone else. This does not say I think you should be the chair in any way or fashion. I hope this clears this point up, I also hope you see the danger in posting something which is only half correct. (Although, it must be said you do have previous form on this issue)

Moving on from this, I was a little surprised to see a committee had been formed to decide the criteria. I did ask JPC why this was and he assures me that he had influence on the chosen members in some way. The facts are this committee has been chosen, so we now have to accept this and look forwards. But before I close this part of the subject off, can we (the members) please have assurances we are not being dragged down the road I am so violently against, a private club with your acolytes in control Blitz. I would appreciate a comment from admin about this, so far they have been dissapointingly quiet.

Now we have arrived here, under some duress, it is well to STOP and THINK before racing on.

it has been mentioned earlier that no member should hold a seat on any more than 1 committee. I still think this holds true and is of vital importance. In this, and let us be crystal blue clear Blitz, I don't want any of your bloody wriggling or changing of words, In which case, all those on the committee formed in such haste are now debarred from putting themselves forward to either of the other committees.

OK, So Master Fenrir now has a lst of those who have put themselves forward as members of the awards committee or the nominations committee and the deadline has been pushed forward. The question is, has there been a real distinction between the two? Do the applicants know this? Have some applicants applied for both? (which they cannot do) or either? (which is almost as bad)

The next question is the voting structure and how it is conducted.

I have been told this is difficult, but I think it is vital the voting takes place a la real life. In that the voter does not know how many votes have been cast for any candidate until after the polls have closed. WE just cannot have open voting it lays itself wide open to abuse.

Fc

[Blitzaholic]

The members know they cannot be on both committee's, all are in one or another. As far as the voting and poll for the 2nd committee, I think JP was going to think upon this and try to come up with an idea. As far as the admins, for now, they just sitting back and want to watch how this develops or unfolds. Again, this is all unofficial, I do think lack and andy will have a hall of fame sometime later this year, it may not be exactly what we come up with, but, I think they just want to see how we work this and may use that to aid them when they decide to make it official. Nothing is going to become official without lackattack's say and I am quite sure he and others will dot every i and cross every t before this becomes official. Heck, they may scrap the whole thing and implement their own ideas. Again, I think they just want to get a general sense of what the CC players are looking at before they get involved. So, do not expect to hear from them anytime soon.

[Fruitcake]

The members know they cannot be on both committee's, all are in one or another. As far as the voting and poll for the 2nd committee, I think JP was going to think upon this and try to come up with an idea. As far as the admins, for now, they just sitting back and want to watch how this develops or unfolds. Again, this is all unofficial, I do think lack and andy will have a hall of fame sometime later this year, it may not be exactly what we come up with, but, I think they just want to see how we work this and may use that to aid them when they decide to make it official. Nothing is going to become official without lackattack's say and I am quite sure he and others will dot every i and cross every t before this becomes official. Heck, they may scrap the whole thing and implement their own ideas. Again, I think they just want to get a general sense of what the CC players are looking at before they get involved. So, do not expect to hear from them anytime soon.

The members should know that they can only serve on one committee, this includes you Blitz. So just to avoid confusion, let's reiterate. Those now serving on the criteria committee will not be serving in either of the public committees...which you stated yourself.

JP has PMd me with some good ideas regarding the voting structure and I shall respond to him regarding this. You do not have to be involved on this point Blitz as it has nothing to do with you as you are already serving on the criteria committee. This subject matter directly effects those committees of which you will have no part.

You just focus on setting this up now and leave the rest to those who will have been elected democratically and correctly Blitz, that is the best way. They will then decide how to carry it forward from there. I am sure cc will be suitably impressed and thankful for all your hard work and dedication.

We all look forward with anticipation and excitement to what criteria the committee come up with.

Fc

[Blitzaholic]

The members know they cannot be on both committee's, all are in one or another. As far as the voting and poll for the 2nd committee, I think JP was going to think upon this and try to come up with an idea. As far as the admins, for now, they just sitting back and want to watch how this develops or unfolds. Again, this is all unofficial, I do think lack and andy will have a hall of fame sometime later this year, it may not be exactly what we come up with, but, I think they just want to see how we work this and may use that to aid them when they decide to make it official. Nothing is going to become official without lackattack's say and I am quite sure he and others will dot every i and cross every t before this becomes official. Heck, they may scrap the whole thing and implement their own ideas. Again, I think they just want to get a general sense of what the CC players are looking at before they get involved. So, do not expect to hear from them anytime soon.

The members should know that they can only serve on one committee, this includes you Blitz. So just to avoid confusion, let's reiterate. Those now serving on the criteria committee will not be serving in either of the public committees...which you stated yourself.

JP has PMd me with some good ideas regarding the voting structure and I shall respond to him regarding this. You do not have to be involved on this point Blitz as it has nothing to do with you as you are already serving on the criteria committee. This subject matter directly effects those committees of which you will have no part.



We all look forward with anticipation and excitement to what criteria the committee come up with.

Fc

There is only 2 committee's, criteria and nominations and selections, criteria is the only one I am in. JP asked for a list of the nominations and selections committee, so, I asked master fenrir, and then passed it unto him, I guess I could of just asked master fenrir to send it to JP directly. Also, some players sometimes PM me with interest on nominations and I just refer the pm's to master fenrir, I am not trying to be involved in the other committee, I just think sometimes, some of the players get confused on criteria and nominations, some do not know there is 2 committee's and what they mean, so, when I get a pm sometimes, I have to explain it, if they interested in the nominations one, again, I just forward it over to fenrir. That's all.

You just focus on setting this up now and leave the rest to those who will have been elected democratically and correctly Blitz, that is the best way. They will then decide how to carry it forward from there. I am sure cc will be suitably impressed and thankful for all your hard work and dedication. Fc

thank you

[Fruitcake]

The members know they cannot be on both committee's, all are in one or another. As far as the voting and poll for the 2nd committee, I think JP was going to think upon this and try to come up with an idea. As far as the admins, for now, they just sitting back and want to watch how this develops or unfolds. Again, this is all unofficial, I do think lack and andy will have a hall of fame sometime later this year, it may not be exactly what we come up with, but, I think they just want to see how we work this and may use that to aid them when they decide to make it official. Nothing is going to become official without lackattack's say and I am quite sure he and others will dot every i and cross every t before this becomes official. Heck, they may scrap the whole thing and implement their own ideas. Again, I think they just want to get a general sense of what the CC players are looking at before they get involved. So, do not expect to hear from them anytime soon.

The members should know that they can only serve on one committee, this includes you Blitz. So just to avoid confusion, let's reiterate. Those now serving on the criteria committee will not be serving in either of the public committees...which you stated yourself.

JP has PMd me with some good ideas regarding the voting structure and I shall respond to him regarding this. You do not have to be involved on this point Blitz as it has nothing to do with you as you are already serving on the criteria committee. This subject matter directly effects those committees of which you will have no part.



We all look forward with anticipation and excitement to what criteria the committee come up with.

Fc

There is only 2 committee's, criteria and nominations and selections, criteria is the only one I am in. JP asked for a list of the nominations and selections committee, so, I asked master fenrir, and then passed it unto him, I guess I could of just asked master fenrir to send it to JP directly. Also, some players sometimes PM me with interest on nominations and I just refer the pm's to master fenrir, I am not trying to be involved in the other committee, I just think sometimes, some of the players get confused on criteria and nominations, some do not know there is 2 committee's and what they mean, so, when I get a pm sometimes, I have to explain it, if they interested in the nominations one, again, I just forward it over to fenrir. That's all.

You just focus on setting this up now and leave the rest to those who will have been elected democratically and correctly Blitz, that is the best way. They will then decide how to carry it forward from there. I am sure cc will be suitably impressed and thankful for all your hard work and dedication. Fc

thank you

My recollection of events is that we have moved forward to 2 active committees after the criteria committee has disbanded. The first being the committee that nominates having researched that the criteria laid down has been met, the second to act as the final arbiters. The raison d’être for the second would be to filter out, decide upon, give credence to any proposed HoF members by the first, nominations, committee. An obvious example of this being the situation where we had, say, 4 nominations during a period of time that only had explicitly been allotted for 2 new entrants. In this case the ‘approvals’ committee would decide which 2 from the 4 put forwards by the nominations committee would be given membership of the HoF. This idea was originally put forward by Denominator and seconded by Gold Knight. At the very least there should be some debate regarding this amongst those who are NOT involved in the criteria committee, the evolved idea having been put forward by one member and seconded by another.

Good for you for eschewing involvement in this part of the process, it will be confusing and you will need your wits focussed on what is happening ‘behind closed doors’ in the criteria committee presently.

Might I suggest that should any one PM you, that you send on the PMs to both MF and JPC. This way there is an audit trail before the lists are posted and avoids any argument about who wanted to be put forward.

[Blitzaholic]

sure, sounds good Fc, but, again, my understanding was just 2 committees.


1. the criteria committee (coming up with the criteria for eligibility) to make the 2nd committee's job a little easier

2. the nominations and selections committee, they will nominate players and as a group select which one's maybe be inducted for reviewing the criteria we established to see if it match's.

and you suggested it:

1) A Committee needs to be formed off GD in an ad hoc group. This needs to be limited in some way. It also needs to be led by some one who can keep things moving. It needs to have a cut off date where it issues a set of criteria/requirements to be included in any HoF. At this point this committee produces a thread in GD and asks for feedback. After another set period of time the thread is locked and said committee go back into session. They then produce a final list which becomes the template. They then disband as a committee as their job is done and finished.

2) While this is happening there is no reason why a second set of SEPERATE people put themselves forward as the Jurors. They will then implement the criteria and rules created by the committee mentioned in (1).

Now this is where I and others differ as I foresee problems in halving the task of choosing nominations. However, should the general consensus be that there should be two then I will keep my own counsel.

I think just keeping it simple with 2 committees, and I think chipv also agreed.

1. criteria
2. jurors for nominations and selections based on rules created by committee 1.

period. last I knew, master fenrir and all of us were on board with your suggestion Fc weeks ago and that is the way we went.