St Patty's Day and Das Schloss(B)

[L M S]

Das Schloss is winnable regardless of the starting positions....all ya gotta do is hold the objective. Master Fenrir and I just won a dubs game on that very map yesterday...we and the other team had starting positions in the area we are talking about.
I had no idea we weren't supposed to play them, I saw them available and joined. A simple, hey guys don't play these would have been fine.
Now that we know not to, that should be fine with everybody too. I can wait for the official version to come online, there are plenty of other things to keep a player busy around here besides exploiting a bug that allows one to play on an "extinct" map.

Just because it's possible to rob a bank, should you?

[AAFitz]

Das Schloss is winnable regardless of the starting positions....all ya gotta do is hold the objective. Master Fenrir and I just won a dubs game on that very map yesterday...we and the other team had starting positions in the area we are talking about.
I had no idea we weren't supposed to play them, I saw them available and joined. A simple, hey guys don't play these would have been fine.
Now that we know not to, that should be fine with everybody too. I can wait for the official version to come online, there are plenty of other things to keep a player busy around here besides exploiting a bug that allows one to play on an "extinct" map.

Just because it's possible to rob a bank, should you?

poor analogy.. robbing a bank has a victim... this was a victimless crime really...minus the headache factor of it.

[the.killing.44]

Das Schloss is winnable regardless of the starting positions....all ya gotta do is hold the objective. Master Fenrir and I just won a dubs game on that very map yesterday...we and the other team had starting positions in the area we are talking about.
I had no idea we weren't supposed to play them, I saw them available and joined. A simple, hey guys don't play these would have been fine.
Now that we know not to, that should be fine with everybody too. I can wait for the official version to come online, there are plenty of other things to keep a player busy around here besides exploiting a bug that allows one to play on an "extinct" map.

Just because it's possible to rob a bank, should you?

poor analogy.. robbing a bank has a victim... this was a victimless crime really...minus the headache factor of it.

Robbing a bank is also well-known and well-advertised as bad.

[jammyjames]

Das Schloss is winnable regardless of the starting positions....all ya gotta do is hold the objective. Master Fenrir and I just won a dubs game on that very map yesterday...we and the other team had starting positions in the area we are talking about.
I had no idea we weren't supposed to play them, I saw them available and joined. A simple, hey guys don't play these would have been fine.
Now that we know not to, that should be fine with everybody too. I can wait for the official version to come online, there are plenty of other things to keep a player busy around here besides exploiting a bug that allows one to play on an "extinct" map.

Just because it's possible to rob a bank, should you?

poor analogy.. robbing a bank has a victim... this was a victimless crime really...minus the headache factor of it.

Robbing a bank is also well-known and well-advertised as bad.

whereas exploiting bug's on websites such as this is commonly known as fun.

[L M S]

Das Schloss is winnable regardless of the starting positions....all ya gotta do is hold the objective. Master Fenrir and I just won a dubs game on that very map yesterday...we and the other team had starting positions in the area we are talking about.
I had no idea we weren't supposed to play them, I saw them available and joined. A simple, hey guys don't play these would have been fine.
Now that we know not to, that should be fine with everybody too. I can wait for the official version to come online, there are plenty of other things to keep a player busy around here besides exploiting a bug that allows one to play on an "extinct" map.

Just because it's possible to rob a bank, should you?

poor analogy.. robbing a bank has a victim... this was a victimless crime really...minus the headache factor of it.

Robbing a bank is also well-known and well-advertised as bad.

whereas exploiting bug's on websites such as this is commonly known as fun.

I'm a victim of having to read people whining about being warned/advised to stop exploiting an obvious bug in the system...As well as all the other sniveling and complaining about every little thing that goes on around here that is: (a) most of the time not even the offending whiners' business in the first place, (b) so irrelevant to the larger community that to make such a big stink about it is really just about showing off and (c) inevitably over-dramatized to the point of becoming an unrecognizable argument wherein the original problem or concern or (re)action is completely lost behind the sound of whomever's voice yells the loudest and longest.

[stahrgazer]

that is indeed a very clever interpretation, however, one would have to know that starting the game would result in it not ending, to be guilty of hostage holding, even under the strictest translation. However, joining a map that shouldnt be open certainly can be seen as an abuse of game... though I think quantity really needs to be looked at. Further, the holiday really did change things in my opinion.

My suggestion would be for some serious leniency, but since I played a couple on each myself... perhaps Im slightly biased.

On this one, there really is a lot of plausible deniability I would say. More so than usual. So many changes take place on holidays that it really isnt a stretch for some to think it was purposeful...which is exactly what I thought the first time the leprechauns came out.

Agreed, agreed, and raise you one: isn't it interesting that the first inklings that it was a snafu rather than a holiday treat, came only with threats of billyclubs?

[stahrgazer]

I'm a victim of having to read people whining about being warned/advised to stop exploiting an obvious bug in the system....

Just because it's possible to rob a bank....

Just because the (bank) forum is there to be (robbed) read, doesn't mean you have to (rob) read it.

And you're missing that the last obvious bug in the system was allowed to be exploited until CC had reprogrammed, so that's the set precedence. It was called freestyle doubleturns.

[AAFitz]

that is indeed a very clever interpretation, however, one would have to know that starting the game would result in it not ending, to be guilty of hostage holding, even under the strictest translation. However, joining a map that shouldnt be open certainly can be seen as an abuse of game... though I think quantity really needs to be looked at. Further, the holiday really did change things in my opinion.

My suggestion would be for some serious leniency, but since I played a couple on each myself... perhaps Im slightly biased.

On this one, there really is a lot of plausible deniability I would say. More so than usual. So many changes take place on holidays that it really isnt a stretch for some to think it was purposeful...which is exactly what I thought the first time the leprechauns came out.

Agreed, agreed, and raise you one: isn't it interesting that the first inklings that it was a snafu rather than a holiday treat, came only with threats of billyclubs?

Well, if you look at it from the mods point of view, it is reasonable to assume that they assumed players were doing it far more maliciously than perhaps they were.

[stahrgazer]

Well, if you look at it from the mods point of view, it is reasonable to assume that they assumed players were doing it far more maliciously than perhaps they were.

I disagree entirely that that's a reasonable assumption for mods to make, considering they made no announcement with logical explanation requesting users to refrain from making or joining these games; they've admitted here, the billy-club threats were the first warnings, and one even said, "not everything has to be nice."

It WAS a holiday. CC DOES do odd things on holidays. It was QUITE reasonable for players to assume it was a holiday treat that the site cooked up for the 'clever,' so I do believe the first stance should have been a blazing headline (the site admin knows how to do that too) asking people to read a thread where the flook for Das and Shamrocks was explained and users requested to refrain. That blazing headline/thread could then say, "and if this notice doesn't work, warnings and further will follow; please don't make that necessary."

Edit: It's obvious from some of the posts in this thread, some of the players are now doing it intentionally to show they can. I'm not sure they would've taken that stance if the mods had first simply explained and requested folks to abstain...and now we'll never know.

[AAFitz]

Well, if you look at it from the mods point of view, it is reasonable to assume that they assumed players were doing it far more maliciously than perhaps they were.

I disagree entirely that that's a reasonable assumption for mods to make, considering they made no announcement with logical explanation requesting users to refrain from making or joining these games; they've admitted here, the billy-club threats were the first warnings, and one even said, "not everything has to be nice."

It WAS a holiday. CC DOES do odd things on holidays. It was QUITE reasonable for players to assume it was a holiday treat that the site cooked up for the 'clever,' so I do believe the first stance should have been a blazing headline (the site admin knows how to do that too) asking people to read a thread where the flook for Das and Shamrocks was explained and users requested to refrain. That blazing headline/thread could then say, "and if this notice doesn't work, warnings and further will follow; please don't make that necessary."

I did not say it was a reasonable assumption for them to make. I said it was reasonable to assume they made the assumption.

[stahrgazer]

I did not say it was a reasonable assumption for them to make. I said it was reasonable to assume they made the assumption.

*curtsies to the king*

[lord voldemort]

Using the excuse h its a holiday doesnt fly for the average forum user....There is always an announcement before hand...always

[ronsizzle]

there was a thread about this subject that no admin even posted in...

[AAFitz]

Using the excuse h its a holiday doesnt fly for the average forum user....There is always an announcement before hand...always

Actually, youd be surprised. Im far more than an average forum user, and I truly assumed that it was part of new years. I think youd be surprised how little some, even those that use the forum...well.. too much like myself...dont pay attention to the announcements and stuff like that. I didnt even know about the BR's until someone asked me in a game if I was joining.

I use myself as an example, because while I doubt Im typical, I do know there are many that dont pay attention to such things.

Quite frankly, there is so many new things going on all the time, its impossible to keep up with them. When I first saw Das shloss, I couldnt believe I had never seen it before, but just assumed it was a new map too.

Im sure it looks on your end like everyone was setting out to take advantage and somehow do harm...but even manbungalow joined the things. I actually think you may have collectively underestimated some of the innocence here... and even, possibly have exaggerated any harm meant.

I only offer this as another view point..and one you cant possibly have in your position. I also offer it, because as I mentioned before... I fully see why you might come to this conclusion in your position.

[Georgerx7di]

Using the excuse h its a holiday doesnt fly for the average forum user....There is always an announcement before hand...always

oooohhh, a bunch of people got into some games on maps that we don't use any more. Oh, what a crime. Come on! Are you serious?! This is rediculous. Like people set out to cheat by joining these games. Get over it. Its not harming cc that a few people got to play a few maps that aren't around any more. Get real.

[karel]

[Ace Rimmer]

All warnings were sent out. No Vacations were issued for this. Deliberate Bug Abuse would be a Major Infraction, thus a Month Vacation if it was continued.

Those that received Warnings were all nearly responsive. Only a select few thought we were out to get them. Really, just comes down to common sense, and of those that received warnings, the majority were fine with the Warning.

I don't see the inconsistency.


--Andy

So you are going to let the games waiting for players stay open? Is it ok if I join some of those games or are they supposed to be dropped by the creators? Note that at the time of this writing, Game 6223386 was waiting for players, one of the players is ManBungalow, a MOD who supposedly should know better according to Andy and LoVo.

Jake

[Ace Rimmer]

FYI, it's so easy to create games on these maps because Lack missed a very important check in sanitizing the input to the player.php script. The script makes sure that the map # is in a certain range, but that range includes the closed maps. I was glad to see that Lack checked all the other inputs to make sure that you couldn't create an 8p Feudal or a Battle Royale by doing it via script instead of the interface.

Jake

[ben79]

i received a one month ban warning, i was wondering when it's gonna be ?

[ronsizzle]

im with the mods on this one.

you guys cry about every little thing that goes on here. just let it drop.

and jakewilliams...what are you? 10? 11? come on now kid. drop this.

[stahrgazer]

im with the mods on this one.

Apparently so's jake.. he's with ManBungalow, a MOD.

you guys cry about every little thing that goes on here. just let it drop.

and jakewilliams...what are you? 10? 11? come on now kid. drop this.

Please stop flaming and baiting. Oh, nm... since you're flaming and baiting in support of a whacky decision to use threats of billyclubs before reasoned annoucements, you'll get no warnings.

[Ace Rimmer]

im with the mods on this one.

you guys cry about every little thing that goes on here. just let it drop.

and jakewilliams...what are you? 10? 11? come on now kid. drop this.

Ron, I'm quite surprised. What if you found a way to get into flame wars still, even though it was supposed to be removed? And you went in there then got told you'd get a 1 month ban for doing something that the code permitted, although you were never told not to do it? That's my issue. The fact that people did something that the website allowed, and were told they would be getting a 1 month ban. But other members still have games open (including, as mentioned, a mod) and nothing is being done about those.

I thought you would understand...

Jake

[Namor]

Can these games just be deleted then and put an end to the matter.

I'm in a Das game because I received an invite. When I accepted, I thought I was joining a new map.

The invite was sent by Eyestone, who also thought he'd found a new map. We are in the process of trying out new or complex maps.

I would feel aggrieved if either of us received a warning for what was an innocent action on both our parts.

[karel]

Can these games just be deleted then and put an end to the matter.

I'm in a Das game because I received an invite. When I accepted, I thought I was joining a new map.

The invite was sent by Eyestone, who also thought he'd found a new map. We are in the process of trying out new or complex maps.

I would feel aggrieved if either of us received a warning for what was an innocent action on both our parts.

why would you get a warning,you did not make games,as far as i'm concerned,if you find a game in game finder then play it,if they are so damn concerned about it then they should get rid of the games instead of threating people with a vacation,but maybe they enjoy it to much

[ronsizzle]

dont be surprised jake.

noone got a ban. that is the point. we all know how cc works. mods overreact, say things, then backpedal trying not to admit any wrongdoing. so i have realized that. they sent me a warning. i just figured they didnt want me to play anymore games on it.

i would have accepted a ban of 30 days for crossmapping das schloss. and when i started them all up, i kind of thought it was wrong. kind of like that time my uncle steve showed me his "new tractor" in the shed. he gave me a warning not to tell anyone. i accepted that too.

i just think everyone needs to chill out a little bit. the mods are always under such criticism. everyone on cc doesnt have to be a critic 24/7.

and as for stahrgazer, get a fucking life man. those werent flames. that is hilarious that you think they are. keep whining stahr. see how far it gets you. i forget who said this....suck it up cupcake!

oh, and that analogy of flame wars made no sense...