The Passion of Owenshooter

[demonfork]

Who do you consider "CC", jbrettlip?

-Sully

I think he's referring to whoever from Team CC felt "trolled" and had an emotional response because owen hilariously pointed out how much more awesome the BPB contest was than the official CC raffle.

Why are you on Owens jock so much?

[jefjef]

Don't be intentionally annoying!

Common sense prevails - if you are intentionally or continually making this community less enjoyable for others, you're going to be removed from it. It's that simple.

CC admin got annoyed with owen, like many of us do at times, but in this case I would think CC should have found a better way to deal with his slights towards what he considered an undervalued prize. Owen was likely just trying to get CC to consider increasing it to a year like his is. I doubt his motivation was simply just to be annoying.

I have owen foed and have no horse in this race but CC really needs to reconsider this. After all owen and the BpB are promoting CC in a very community oriented - fun way. $25.00 worth. That's a lot more than the vast majority of us are willing or able to do.

jj

[Night Strike]

Considering the number of events the Entertainment Team puts on as well as the number of volunteers in their department that they also need to provide premium memberships for, it's impossible to give out 1 year of premium membership for every single event. Every department has a finite amount of premium membership that they can give out, and the Entertainment Team has even relied on donations from other teams for some of the really big events that they have run. Even for tournaments, I just recently accumulated enough premium membership to cover the prizes that I have promised to cover (this was planned, just pointing out the example). So it's great that BpB is willing to provide a premium prize to a contest they run, but their member(s) shouldn't go around the forum bashing and trolling the Entertainment Team just because they could not afford to put up more premium membership per person than BpB. And if you want to get technical about things, as someone else mentioned, a total of 1.75 years is being contributed to the event, so owen's posts weren't even factual, which also contributed to the ban for trolling.

[Dibbun]

Considering the number of events the Entertainment Team puts on as well as the number of volunteers in their department that they also need to provide premium memberships for, it's impossible to give out 1 year of premium membership for every single event. Every department has a finite amount of premium membership that they can give out, and the Entertainment Team has even relied on donations from other teams for some of the really big events that they have run. Even for tournaments, I just recently accumulated enough premium membership to cover the prizes that I have promised to cover (this was planned, just pointing out the example). So it's great that BpB is willing to provide a premium prize to a contest they run, but their member(s) shouldn't go around the forum bashing and trolling the Entertainment Team just because they could not afford to put up more premium membership per person than BpB. And if you want to get technical about things, as someone else mentioned, a total of 1.75 years is being contributed to the event, so owen's posts weren't even factual, which also contributed to the ban for trolling.

This sounds like it was a mob hit from the "entertainment" team. From what your thread says, 2 teams per week for 2 weeks will win, with only the Freemium partner winning 3 months premium membership. 2 x 2 x 3 = 12, which is 1 year of free membership. So your post wasn't even factual, does that mean you should be banned? Or should someone helpful like myself point out your error and move on?

I think the "entertainment" team could have turned owen's concerns into a friendly rivalry with BPB instead of going all apeshit. I feel like the community has been trolled by this massive overreaction. You realize that when Halloween comes around, he will still be banned? Does that make the "entertainment" team feel better? Is that just? Will that "show em" that you don't post opposition to any "official" thread?

I'm really not trying to troll you but I think that you guys are taking yourselves too seriously, and a 24 hour vacation with a warning to gtfo that thread would have been more than sufficient.

[Metsfanmax]

I think he's referring to whoever from Team CC felt "trolled" and had an emotional response because owen hilariously pointed out how much more awesome the BPB contest was than the official CC raffle.

I did feel trolled when I originally saw owen's posts; I was rather disgusted, actually. owen is usually a minor troll but posting like that in the officlal thread was just way over the line. It showed zero taste, zero respect for the site, and I fail to see why it should not be considered trolling. Totally with Andy on a minor infraction for trolling here. Even though I had nothing to do with this ruling, I'll take a stab at this.

Andy then goes on to say "I think it is safe to say the above posts, which occurred over a 16 hour span actually are objectively Trolling."...hmmm..are they Andy? I see just 3 independent posts from Owen. He then responded to 3 posts, 2 of which are your team (1 in fact yourself).

What does it matter whether they are responding to people? Five of those six posts contained clear bashing against the team for hosting the event this way.

Are you or your team going to come back with a rational explanation as to why you chose to shut Owen up because he exercised his right to state an opinion? After all, in the last 3 posts he was responding to something written by some one else.

In what way is that a defense? If someone says something to him and he responds by trolling that person, that doesn't let him off the hook. I'll admit that samuelc812's comment kind of approached baiting when he said he shouldn't waste his breath on owen, but that doesn't justify owen's initial trolling or the trolling in response.

Or are we going to see the usual self righteous remark because some one in Admin/Mods has a thin skin and cannot take criticism. Well here's the thing Andy. The 3 month giveaway does look cheap. it does look as though this site is being cheeseparing and Fagin like in its approach. The Bandits are giving away 12 months and we have no reason to except to engender a spirit of community without asking people to follow our rules of signatures and avatars. This is Owen's beef and to be frank I agree with him wholeheartedly.

First, this is just one way to look at the issue. Another is that Team CC is quite generous in giving away free premiums, and that the Bandits are simply more generous. What if Team CC never gave away any premium? Would you be calling them stingy? The fact is that it really is rather nice that we give some of the members the opportunity to win free premium when that basically represents a direct loss of income. If the Bandits do what they do for the sake of improving the community morale and just generally being nice, then they shouldn't be worried that other people are doing it too - they should be honored. Honestly, this response almost sounds like you all are personally offended that someone is imitating you, when you should be quite flattered. I don't even understand this response. But this is all just my own point of view. The point is that there are legitimate ways to point out your beliefs. owen avoided that route and went for the trolling path instead. For example, a standard way of raising this concern would be to contact the Entertainment Team privately, or create a thread in Suggestions calmly and respectfully stating why you think the contest should give out more premium (not that I think you have a good argument for why Team CC should give away more money -- again, personally). A non-standard, and in fact trolling, way to do it is to blatantly criticize the team for not being as generous as you. Remember, trolling is often just as much about the context, and the way you say it, as the content of actually what is said.

Are you now going to threaten me with a ban as I have written about the same subject (criticising you, Andy, and your team) twice in a matter of a couple of hours? Am I allowed just one more post of opinion before you throw me off the forums?

You have brought up your arguments in a more respectful format, and in a slightly more appropriate place than the Announcements forum. You will probably not be banned.

By the way -- many of the posts in here imply that people are upset because he got banned for trolling, instead of actually objecting to the content of the trolling infraction. If that's the case, then what you're upset with is the escalating punishment system for infractions, which is a much bigger topic than this thread. I mean, I guess you could have asked for an exception to the escalating system but there's a reason those exceptions aren't really given out.

[jefjef]

many of the posts in here imply that people are upset because he got banned for trolling, instead of actually objecting to the content of the trolling infraction.

I've read and re-read the posts that you found disgusting.

I could care less if he gets banned for trolling if he earns it. Make it 6 months if he earns it. But also make sure it's a real offense...

I just don't see it.

[Metsfanmax]

And if you want to get technical about things, as someone else mentioned, a total of 1.75 years is being contributed to the event, so owen's posts weren't even factual, which also contributed to the ban for trolling.

This sounds like it was a mob hit from the "entertainment" team. From what your thread says, 2 teams per week for 2 weeks will win, with only the Freemium partner winning 3 months premium membership. 2 x 2 x 3 = 12, which is 1 year of free membership. So your post wasn't even factual, does that mean you should be banned? Or should someone helpful like myself point out your error and move on?

You are correct that only one year of premium is being given away in the Share the Warmth contest, but an additional year is being given away in the trivia contests total, as well as another three months for the speed tournament. So in fact samuelc812's original count was correct regarding the Summer Bash in general. I'm not sure where people got the 1.75 year figure from.

[Dukasaur]

2 teams per week for 2 weeks will win, with only the Freemium partner winning 3 months premium membership. 2 x 2 x 3 = 12, which is 1 year of free membership. So your post wasn't even factual, does that mean you should be banned? Or should someone helpful like myself point out your error and move on?

Altogether the event has 9 prizes of 3 months, which is 2.25 years. 4 prizes for the signature thingy, 4 for the trivia contest, and one for the speed round.

I think the "entertainment" team could have turned owen's concerns into a friendly rivalry with BPB instead of going all apeshit. I feel like the community has been trolled by this massive overreaction.
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I'm really not trying to troll you but I think that you guys are taking yourselves too seriously, and a 24 hour vacation with a warning to gtfo that thread would have been more than sufficient.

See, nobody went "apeshit" at all. They nicked him for a minor infraction. If it had been his first, it would have resulted in nothing at all, not even the 24 hours that you recommend. That's just the way these minor infractions work: they escalate. If you only have one, there's no consequence. As you start having more of them, the consequences pile up. So, the fact that it's a 3-month ban is primarily his own fault, for having accumulated so many infractions.

[TheSaxlad]

Considering the number of events the Entertainment Team puts on as well as the number of volunteers in their department that they also need to provide premium memberships for, it's impossible to give out 1 year of premium membership for every single event. Every department has a finite amount of premium membership that they can give out, and the Entertainment Team has even relied on donations from other teams for some of the really big events that they have run. Even for tournaments, I just recently accumulated enough premium membership to cover the prizes that I have promised to cover (this was planned, just pointing out the example). So it's great that BpB is willing to provide a premium prize to a contest they run, but their member(s) shouldn't go around the forum bashing and trolling the Entertainment Team just because they could not afford to put up more premium membership per person than BpB. And if you want to get technical about things, as someone else mentioned, a total of 1.75 years is being contributed to the event, so owen's posts weren't even factual, which also contributed to the ban for trolling.

Also, if you look back through the events more than one of the events have more than a years premium prize in 2 different Tournaments (Winter / Easter). If the BpB were able to give away a premium say once every 2 months then Owenshooter may have had a point.

Everyone is titled to their own opinion, but there are ways to express that opinion and ways not to. Owen was not banned for expressing his opinion. He was banned for expressing it over and over and over and over again. Its not the opinion he was banned for but the way he made it. (At least thats how it looks like to me). Did he deserve a 3 month ban? I don't know I can't see his paddle, but if a moderator felt it was a minor infraction (and to my mind that is all it would have been) it would have stacked up with his numerous others resulting in the ban.

That said was it right to call it a minor infraction? I dunno, perhaps a friendly word from someone would have been a better course of action to take, just to let him know that they had taken his opinion on board. Then and only then if he kept doing it should a ban have been enacted.

Savvy?

[demonfork]

Pretty weak if you ask me, I think that CC just has it out for Owen...

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these 6 posts did not warrant a 3 moth vacation (IMHO)

[Fruitcake]

Considering the number of events the Entertainment Team puts on as well as the number of volunteers in their department that they also need to provide premium memberships for, it's impossible to give out 1 year of premium membership for every single event. Every department has a finite amount of premium membership that they can give out, and the Entertainment Team has even relied on donations from other teams for some of the really big events that they have run. Even for tournaments, I just recently accumulated enough premium membership to cover the prizes that I have promised to cover (this was planned, just pointing out the example). So it's great that BpB is willing to provide a premium prize to a contest they run, but their member(s) shouldn't go around the forum bashing and trolling the Entertainment Team just because they could not afford to put up more premium membership per person than BpB. And if you want to get technical about things, as someone else mentioned, a total of 1.75 years is being contributed to the event, so owen's posts weren't even factual, which also contributed to the ban for trolling.

Also, if you look back through the events more than one of the events have more than a years premium prize in 2 different Tournaments (Winter / Easter). If the BpB were able to give away a premium say once every 2 months then Owenshooter may have had a point.

Everyone is titled to their own opinion, but there are ways to express that opinion and ways not to. Owen was not banned for expressing his opinion. He was banned for expressing it over and over and over and over again. Its not the opinion he was banned for but the way he made it. (At least thats how it looks like to me). Did he deserve a 3 month ban? I don't know I can't see his paddle, but if a moderator felt it was a minor infraction (and to my mind that is all it would have been) it would have stacked up with his numerous others resulting in the ban.

That said was it right to call it a minor infraction? I dunno, perhaps a friendly word from someone would have been a better course of action to take, just to let him know that they had taken his opinion on board. Then and only then if he kept doing it should a ban have been enacted.

Savvy?

Owen was not banned for expressing his opinion. He was banned for expressing it over and over and over and over again.

Pardon me?

He expressed his opinion unilaterally 3 times according to Andy's email. He then responded to those who took a differing viewpoint. Are you now saying that once a person has stated an opinion they are not allowed to argue that opinion if team cc decide it so?

If we think the owner/admin or even Moderation crew of this site are acting incorrectly we have a right to say so. It is up to the people it affects to decide if the future loss of income (for be sure every time you do this, there is an effect even if small) is worth it.

I repeat, my opinion is that team cc are being cheeseparing and Fagin like in approach. So far I see grand statements about how much is being given away. Excuse me but is any of that coming out of your pockets? I think not. In fact, you are giving away something that costs you nothing in monetary value. You could argue you give your time, this is true, but you all have certain privileges because of that. So once we distil it down, you are giving away nothing, The Bandits are actually giving away something. You are cheap, you defend a position of being cheap and you ensure that the one person who took you to task over your cheap ways is gagged.

[Dibbun]

Who do you consider "CC", jbrettlip?

-Sully

I think he's referring to whoever from Team CC felt "trolled" and had an emotional response because owen hilariously pointed out how much more awesome the BPB contest was than the official CC raffle.

Why are you on Owens jock so much?

Why do you need an 8000 point advantage to join a quad game?

[TheSaxlad]

Considering the number of events the Entertainment Team puts on as well as the number of volunteers in their department that they also need to provide premium memberships for, it's impossible to give out 1 year of premium membership for every single event. Every department has a finite amount of premium membership that they can give out, and the Entertainment Team has even relied on donations from other teams for some of the really big events that they have run. Even for tournaments, I just recently accumulated enough premium membership to cover the prizes that I have promised to cover (this was planned, just pointing out the example). So it's great that BpB is willing to provide a premium prize to a contest they run, but their member(s) shouldn't go around the forum bashing and trolling the Entertainment Team just because they could not afford to put up more premium membership per person than BpB. And if you want to get technical about things, as someone else mentioned, a total of 1.75 years is being contributed to the event, so owen's posts weren't even factual, which also contributed to the ban for trolling.

Also, if you look back through the events more than one of the events have more than a years premium prize in 2 different Tournaments (Winter / Easter). If the BpB were able to give away a premium say once every 2 months then Owenshooter may have had a point.

Everyone is titled to their own opinion, but there are ways to express that opinion and ways not to. Owen was not banned for expressing his opinion. He was banned for expressing it over and over and over and over again. Its not the opinion he was banned for but the way he made it. (At least thats how it looks like to me). Did he deserve a 3 month ban? I don't know I can't see his paddle, but if a moderator felt it was a minor infraction (and to my mind that is all it would have been) it would have stacked up with his numerous others resulting in the ban.

That said was it right to call it a minor infraction? I dunno, perhaps a friendly word from someone would have been a better course of action to take, just to let him know that they had taken his opinion on board. Then and only then if he kept doing it should a ban have been enacted.

Savvy?

Owen was not banned for expressing his opinion. He was banned for expressing it over and over and over and over again.

Pardon me?

He expressed his opinion unilaterally 3 times according to Andy's email. He then responded to those who took a differing viewpoint. Are you now saying that once a person has stated an opinion they are not allowed to argue that opinion if team cc decide it so?

If we think the owner/admin or even Moderation crew of this site are acting incorrectly we have a right to say so. It is up to the people it affects to decide if the future loss of income (for be sure every time you do this, there is an effect even if small) is worth it.

I repeat, my opinion is that team cc are being cheeseparing and Fagin like in approach. So far I see grand statements about how much is being given away. Excuse me but is any of that coming out of your pockets? I think not. In fact, you are giving away something that costs you nothing in monetary value. You could argue you give your time, this is true, but you all have certain privileges because of that. So once we distil it down, you are giving away nothing, The Bandits are actually giving away something. You are cheap, you defend a position of being cheap and you ensure that the one person who took you to task over your cheap ways is gagged.

Don't take it out on me. I am merely expressing a viewpoint. If I were however to argue against you now, and then put that viewpoint in another thread and then come back and put the viewpoint to you again another three times, then PM it to people, surely I would be worthy of a ban?

That said I think it's great that the BpB can find the time and money for their contest. I tell you I would love to offer a premium prize for one of my tournaments and competitions, I just don't have the money.

Also I was about to reply to your first post in this thread and it has disappeared... Would you mind reposting it?

I have nothing against the BpB. What I am against is people tarring ALL the mods with one brush.

If we think the owner/admin or even Moderation crew of this site are acting incorrectly we have a right to say so. It is up to the people it affects to decide if the future loss of income (for be sure every time you do this, there is an effect even if small) is worth it.

I wholly agree with this, but there are ways to do it and ways not to do it.

He expressed his opinion unilaterally 3 times according to Andy's email. He then responded to those who took a differing viewpoint. Are you now saying that once a person has stated an opinion they are not allowed to argue that opinion if team cc decide it so?

No what I am saying is that once was enough to express his opinion and then argue it. It may not seem like it to you but what it comes across as is three lots of mod bashing, followed by more mod bashing. Also it seems like he went out of his way to put his viewpoint across. The example that springs to mind is Andy's comment in General Congratulations that owen replied to.

Overall perhaps Owen was right to flag it up, but the way he did it imho was wrong and could have been done in a different way.

[demonfork]

Who do you consider "CC", jbrettlip?

-Sully

I think he's referring to whoever from Team CC felt "trolled" and had an emotional response because owen hilariously pointed out how much more awesome the BPB contest was than the official CC raffle.

Why are you on Owens jock so much?

Why do you need an 8000 point advantage to join a quad game?

You tell first.

[Gillipig]

Why are you on Owens jock so much?

Why do you need an 8000 point advantage to join a quad game?

You tell first.

Stay on topic guys !
Regarding owen's ban I think the punishment is fair considering how many times he's been banned before. He should've realized that it's not ok to deliberately harass an official event just because he feels he's doing something more generous! His problem is his attitude! Can you imagine Gandhi doing the same? Owen is the self proclaimed "black Jesus" so you'd think he should have more class !

[Fruitcake]

Also I was about to reply to your first post in this thread and it has disappeared... Would you mind reposting it?

This was the first post:

It does seem something of a police state type of action when Owen is given a ban for stating an opinion. Notwithstanding he did mention it often over 16 hours.

Just to be clear on this. The facts are that cc is giving away a measly 3 months premium like it was some God given gift...furthermore members HAVE have to wear the cc signature (controlling?). To do such a thing does cause some long term members to have a strong view. I have refused to pay premium for some time now as I cannot see why I should support such an oppressive environment as is presently seen by a very poorly performing Moderation crew (with notable exceptions). This is purely my opinion.

The bandits are giving away 12 months premium and it does seem shabby of Andy and his crew to punish Owen for showing them up in a bad light. As has been mentioned there is no real on cost in giving away 3 months premium, there is purely a loss of income. I notice Andy has not shown support for the Bandit initiative....a piss poor performance by him especially.

All in all a pretty rum do by Andy Dufresne and his team.

[Mageplunka69]

owen is not circumcised.....enough said

[anonymus]

Why are you on Owens jock so much?

Why do you need an 8000 point advantage to join a quad game?

You tell first.

Stay on topic guys !
Regarding owen's ban I think the punishment is fair considering how many times he's been banned before. He should've realized that it's not ok to deliberately harass an official event just because he feels he's doing something more generous! His problem is his attitude! Can you imagine Gandhi doing the same? Owen is the self proclaimed "black Jesus" so you'd think he should have more class !

i think it is on topic, i also think dibbon should get a 3-month ban since he has repeated the same opinion now way more than 6 times as well.. also the forums would be nicer for 3 months also he gets to follow in his heros footsteps.. please make this bromance into a ma(n)rriage now that its legal in the civilized states,,

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[BigBallinStalin]

Hahaha! Looks like someone behind the curtain got offended.

So, who motioned to have owenshooter banned? Which one of Team CC was most offended?

I love watching them take out their anger on their own customers. (Isn't owenshooter a paying customer?)



[APPLICATION FOR CC]

I'll be y'all's middleman. Let me be the spokesman of CC. I'll stand behind that podium, smile for the cameras, kiss a few healthy babies, and then inform the masses in the most diplomatic and satisfactory way possible about whatever blunder you guys have committed.

I'll be patient, I'll be gracious, and I'll translate your message into an easily consumable form. We got Mets here, and well... let me take over for him. I'll lead the masses astray while you guys kick back and relax.

Think about it. Of all the almost b&nnable offenses I've committed here, I've only got banned for one because I wasn't trying at all. If I can explain myself well enough to seemingly get away with so much, then why not let me explain yourselves on your behalf?

[Qwert]

owenshoter are banned,im not follow situation,what big insult he say,to get 3 month ban? These is something big he say,right?

[jbrettlip]

owenshoter are banned,im not follow situation,what big insult he say,to get 3 month ban? These is something big he say,right?

All he said was that CC was giving away some 3 months memberships and our clan is giving away a year. Team CC got all butt hurt and said he was trolling. Due to the escalating system, he got 3 months. Of course it is his 7th infraction and at least 2 of the others were complete BS too. However infractions NEVER roll off for good behavior.

And for everyone who didn't live through the Twill burn the BpB at the stake era: our whole clan was banned at once, for having Owen's picture on our sig (which was his avatar). We were told we were posting private user info. So that is one of his 7 violations, having his own pic on our sig!

It is complete bullshit. Team CC should realize this and overturn it.

[jbrettlip]

Re: owenshooter

Postby Night Strike on Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:08 pm
Considering the number of events the Entertainment Team puts on as well as the number of volunteers in their department that they also need to provide premium memberships for, it's impossible to give out 1 year of premium membership for every single event. Every department has a finite amount of premium membership that they can give out, and the Entertainment Team has even relied on donations from other teams for some of the really big events that they have run. Even for tournaments, I just recently accumulated enough premium membership to cover the prizes that I have promised to cover (this was planned, just pointing out the example). So it's great that BpB is willing to provide a premium prize to a contest they run, but their member(s) shouldn't go around the forum bashing and trolling the Entertainment Team just because they could not afford to put up more premium membership per person than BpB. And if you want to get technical about things, as someone else mentioned, a total of 1.75 years is being contributed to the event, so owen's posts weren't even factual, which also contributed to the ban for trolling.
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[thegreekdog]

I'm confused as to why no one responded to Metsfanmax's post. It seems fairly thoughtful and relevant to the discussion (unlike, say, "Hey, you join games where you know you'll win so that you can get points!" kind of posts).

[JoshyBoy]

Re: owenshooter

Postby Night Strike on Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:08 pm
Considering the number of events the Entertainment Team puts on as well as the number of volunteers in their department that they also need to provide premium memberships for, it's impossible to give out 1 year of premium membership for every single event. Every department has a finite amount of premium membership that they can give out, and the Entertainment Team has even relied on donations from other teams for some of the really big events that they have run. Even for tournaments, I just recently accumulated enough premium membership to cover the prizes that I have promised to cover (this was planned, just pointing out the example). So it's great that BpB is willing to provide a premium prize to a contest they run, but their member(s) shouldn't go around the forum bashing and trolling the Entertainment Team just because they could not afford to put up more premium membership per person than BpB. And if you want to get technical about things, as someone else mentioned, a total of 1.75 years is being contributed to the event, so owen's posts weren't even factual, which also contributed to the ban for trolling.
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This is bullshit. Absolute bullshit. If lack cared enough about this site, he would give premium away without cost to anyone, simple as. I appreciate NS trying to defend the his team mates, and please don't take it personally, but it's still bullshit. If the truth be told, the owner of this site should be stepping up and handing out truly free premium. Maybe that would be a step towards making this site suck less.

[Leehar]

So is the issue here that owen didn't do anything to deserve a minor infraction, or that his infraction was worth 3 months (ie the escalating system)?
Idk, I don't feel too bad that Owen was hitting on the Entertainment Team since I thought it's just a product of his personality, but I did kinda feel him repeating essentially the same thing 6 times in 3 different threads and 3 different forums was pretty much spamming in effect...