multis/buybacks

[neanderpaul14]

Whatabout freemiums with multis?

So what are all your multis called??? J/K


Seriously I don't like this policy any more than the rest of you, but wondering why multis are allowed to buy back is ridiculous. There is one reason and only one reason why they are allowed to buy back: GREED. Plain and simple GREED is why cheaters are allowed to buy their way back on to the site. Anyone who had trouble figuring this out, or who may still doubt that this is the case really and truly needs to become way more cynical.

[apey]

I think it is all a conspiracy to get peoples money -0
Y have $25 dollars when you can make hundreds

[Night Strike]

Seriously I don't like this policy any more than the rest of you, but wondering why multis are allowed to buy back is ridiculous. There is one reason and only one reason why they are allowed to buy back: GREED. Plain and simple GREED is why cheaters are allowed to buy their way back on to the site. Anyone who had trouble figuring this out, or who may still doubt that this is the case really and truly needs to become way more cynical.

So designing a business model and making a profit off it is now called greed? Are people no longer allowed to make money? For those that remember, multis used to be able to buy back as many times as they desired (manimal anyone?), but that was changed due to popular demand (and taking up too many moderator hours). Lack feels that he has a good balance among allowing second chances, keeping the public happy, and making a profit, so why the need to continue to rip on it?

[BigBallinStalin]

There's a lot of problems with my suggestion, but maybe this can move the thread along to something more productive. If something like this were imposed, it would greatly reduce the incentive to create multis.

this would also reduce friends recruiting friends to the site and teaching them how to play... i joined because my friend was tired of people ruining standard games with irrational play. he wanted a teammate he could talk to before turns and reduce the chances of bad/poor play by others affecting him. if i had to wait to hit a certain rank to play with him, i would probably not be around today, and the mods would be much happier in the forums...-0

lol, yeah you right; and I can't think of any way around it, other than giving higher ranks the option of givign permission of newcomers to join, but that won't discourage the incentive in making multis and cheating... so well, nevermind!

[BigBallinStalin]

Seriously I don't like this policy any more than the rest of you, but wondering why multis are allowed to buy back is ridiculous. There is one reason and only one reason why they are allowed to buy back: GREED. Plain and simple GREED is why cheaters are allowed to buy their way back on to the site. Anyone who had trouble figuring this out, or who may still doubt that this is the case really and truly needs to become way more cynical.

So designing a business model and making a profit off it is now called greed? Are people no longer allowed to make money? For those that remember, multis used to be able to buy back as many times as they desired (manimal anyone?), but that was changed due to popular demand (and taking up too many moderator hours). Lack feels that he has a good balance among allowing second chances, keeping the public happy, and making a profit, so why the need to continue to rip on it?

Because people are tired of encountering multi-abusers, and they're tired of the lack of response on the CC-Elites to correct this problem. However, I predict, we'll lose interest or not garner enough support, and you guys get to keep making your money at the expense of fairness for the CC-community. The decision is mainly influenced by the factor of money. And the loss of such funds only to appease us obviously isn't worth it to y'all.

How much money does CC reguarly make from buybacks? And how much does CC make from 1st time buybacks? And how much from 2nd time, and 3rd+ buybucks? What I want to know is the exact value you guys consider worth it in order to justify your lack of care for the CC-community.

I'd assume that 3rd time buybacks (in most cases) were cut simply to appease us at a very very minimal financial loss to the CC business. Based on my mere assumption, you guys really haven't done us any favors, so please don't consider this loosely enforced 2 or 3 (or maybe more) strike deal as a sufficient or even remotely fair compromise to our complaints.

[jefjef]

Since the majority of newcomers to CC constantly deadbeat and in order to minimize the effects of cheating through multi-account use, how about the CC-Elite puts a restriction on new accounts that prevents them with playing against higher ranked people until that new account has completed a certain amount of games and/or is later reviewed and seen as legitimate (that shouldn't be too hard, one click on completed games, 2 minutes of looking, OH, no evident point dumping, no signs of multi, ACCEPTED). But up to what rank, I'm not sure, and once that restriction is lifted, they can play with any rank.

This would severely cut down on point dumping and other forms of cheating and indecency related to multi account use.

There's a lot of problems with my suggestion, but maybe this can move the thread along to something more productive. If something like this were imposed, it would greatly reduce the incentive to create multis.

And if this has already been brought up in some other thread, then I'm sorry, but I'm unwilling to allot the time to sort through all those threads.

This has been suggested a few times. It's been ignored. Guess it isn't fair to noobs. Personally, as I've suggested before, anyone below a private should not be allowed to join games that has officers in them. That would cut down on farming, multi's stealing points, points dumping etc...

[porkenbeans]

Seriously I don't like this policy any more than the rest of you, but wondering why multis are allowed to buy back is ridiculous. There is one reason and only one reason why they are allowed to buy back: GREED. Plain and simple GREED is why cheaters are allowed to buy their way back on to the site. Anyone who had trouble figuring this out, or who may still doubt that this is the case really and truly needs to become way more cynical.

So designing a business model and making a profit off it is now called greed? Are people no longer allowed to make money? For those that remember, multis used to be able to buy back as many times as they desired (manimal anyone?), but that was changed due to popular demand (and taking up too many moderator hours). Lack feels that he has a good balance among allowing second chances, keeping the public happy, and making a profit, so why the need to continue to rip on it?

Greed is fine with me, but Intelligence coupled with it is better. I have said this before, but I have never received a response. How many players end up just quiting after they have been around long enough to learn of the fact that cheaters are NOT BANNED as they once believed , and in fact are encouraged to cheat by the easy buy back policy ?
I believe that those that quit CC because of this, out number the buy backs by a tremendous margin. This shortsighted policy amazes me. There is an old saying, "Cheaters never prosper". Maybe I am just an old fart, and am behind the times, but I do not think so. TRUST is a hallmark of any company, that plans to be around for a while.

[xelabale]

Seriously I don't like this policy any more than the rest of you, but wondering why multis are allowed to buy back is ridiculous. There is one reason and only one reason why they are allowed to buy back: GREED. Plain and simple GREED is why cheaters are allowed to buy their way back on to the site. Anyone who had trouble figuring this out, or who may still doubt that this is the case really and truly needs to become way more cynical.

So designing a business model and making a profit off it is now called greed? Are people no longer allowed to make money? For those that remember, multis used to be able to buy back as many times as they desired (manimal anyone?), but that was changed due to popular demand (and taking up too many moderator hours). Lack feels that he has a good balance among allowing second chances, keeping the public happy, and making a profit, so why the need to continue to rip on it?

Greed is fine with me, but Intelligence coupled with it is better. I have said this before, but I have never received a response. How many players end up just quiting after they have been around long enough to learn of the fact that cheaters are NOT BANNED as they once believed , and in fact are encouraged to cheat by the easy buy back policy ?
I believe that those that quit CC because of this, out number the buy backs by a tremendous margin. This shortsighted policy amazes me. There is an old saying, "Cheaters never prosper". Maybe I am just an old fart, and am behind the times, but I do not think so. TRUST is a hallmark of any company, that plans to be around for a while.

Not many. You care more than most. Are you leaving?

[porkenbeans]

Seriously I don't like this policy any more than the rest of you, but wondering why multis are allowed to buy back is ridiculous. There is one reason and only one reason why they are allowed to buy back: GREED. Plain and simple GREED is why cheaters are allowed to buy their way back on to the site. Anyone who had trouble figuring this out, or who may still doubt that this is the case really and truly needs to become way more cynical.

So designing a business model and making a profit off it is now called greed? Are people no longer allowed to make money? For those that remember, multis used to be able to buy back as many times as they desired (manimal anyone?), but that was changed due to popular demand (and taking up too many moderator hours). Lack feels that he has a good balance among allowing second chances, keeping the public happy, and making a profit, so why the need to continue to rip on it?

Greed is fine with me, but Intelligence coupled with it is better. I have said this before, but I have never received a response. How many players end up just quiting after they have been around long enough to learn of the fact that cheaters are NOT BANNED as they once believed , and in fact are encouraged to cheat by the easy buy back policy ?
I believe that those that quit CC because of this, out number the buy backs by a tremendous margin. This shortsighted policy amazes me. There is an old saying, "Cheaters never prosper". Maybe I am just an old fart, and am behind the times, but I do not think so. TRUST is a hallmark of any company, that plans to be around for a while.

Not many. You care more than most. Are you leaving?

No, but I will not re-up my premium. Besides I am having more fun in the Foundry these days, and I do NOT need premium for that.

[xelabale]

Seriously I don't like this policy any more than the rest of you, but wondering why multis are allowed to buy back is ridiculous. There is one reason and only one reason why they are allowed to buy back: GREED. Plain and simple GREED is why cheaters are allowed to buy their way back on to the site. Anyone who had trouble figuring this out, or who may still doubt that this is the case really and truly needs to become way more cynical.

So designing a business model and making a profit off it is now called greed? Are people no longer allowed to make money? For those that remember, multis used to be able to buy back as many times as they desired (manimal anyone?), but that was changed due to popular demand (and taking up too many moderator hours). Lack feels that he has a good balance among allowing second chances, keeping the public happy, and making a profit, so why the need to continue to rip on it?

Greed is fine with me, but Intelligence coupled with it is better. I have said this before, but I have never received a response. How many players end up just quiting after they have been around long enough to learn of the fact that cheaters are NOT BANNED as they once believed , and in fact are encouraged to cheat by the easy buy back policy ?
I believe that those that quit CC because of this, out number the buy backs by a tremendous margin. This shortsighted policy amazes me. There is an old saying, "Cheaters never prosper". Maybe I am just an old fart, and am behind the times, but I do not think so. TRUST is a hallmark of any company, that plans to be around for a while.

Not many. You care more than most. Are you leaving?

No, but I will not re-up my premium. Besides I am having more fun in the Foundry these days, and I do NOT need premium for that.

So not only are you not leaving, you are planning to actively contribute on a voluntary basis to a company you don't trust? You are more vocal than most yet you will not leave. The vast majority of players won't even notice or care about the occasional cheat, and most of those who do are terminal addicts such as yourself Your premise is severely flawed.

[notyou2]

I think I've been pimped a couple of times by multis and I don't understand why they allow anybody back after 1 infraction. It destroys the integrity of the game completely. I compare it to players betting on baseball. It has to be a lifetime suspension just like there. -O

Theres that "integrity" word again......lol

[porkenbeans]

@ xel,
You sound like those people that say "America love it or leave it."
Well I believe that you should stand up for your convictions, and not runaway from adversity. These forums are meant for just that purpose, and although I have given up my crusade to clean up the place, I will continue to post my opinion in threads such as these that speak to this subject.
I think that eventually, Lack and crew will make the necessary changes in policy, that will improve the trust and integrity, that so many are calling for. It is a no-brainer in my opinion. Besides, I see that they are making positive changes every day. The current point loss at the top of the leaderboard is evidence of that. So, CC will continue to improve, I have no doubt.

As for my volunteering in the Foundry. I get more pleasure creating stuff in photoshop, than playing the point grab game, at the tables. There are many in the foundry that like me, are excited about cartography, and for the most part, come together to create some awesome chit.

[Coronaholic]

Although I have problems with multis. I have no problem with how the conquer team is handling it. They're making the offender literally "pay the price" for cheating.

[porkenbeans]

Although I have problems with multis. I have no problem with how the conquer team is handling it. They're making the offender literally "pay the price" for cheating.

Trudat, but what about the justice and compensation for those that are cheated ?
Is it fare to those people, to have cheaters above them on the leaderboard, simply because they are willing to pay more ?

[fookeh]

Once you get busted you should be banned for life. -O

[porkenbeans]

Once you get busted you should be banned for life. -O

DATS A FACKT JACK.

[Uncle Death]

Pardon me if this suggestion has been already made, one thing CC could do is to list all players who have been caught cheating in one place on the site. Maybe in the forum or in the rules somewhere? This way players could look to make sure they do not join a game started by these vile deviants or will at least know the player is not to be trusted in a game they get stuck with them in. It would be useful information for Clans as well.

In most states they have sex offender sites where it tells you who in your neighborhood is a convicted sex offender. The comparison is harsh, but I like it.

[ronsizzle]

Pardon me if this suggestion has been already made, one thing CC could do is to list all players who have been caught cheating in one place on the site. Maybe in the forum or in the rules somewhere? This way players could look to make sure they do not join a game started by these vile deviants or will at least know the player is not to be trusted in a game they get stuck with them in. It would be useful information for Clans as well.

In most states they have sex offender sites where it tells you who in your neighborhood is a convicted sex offender. The comparison is harsh, but I like it.

jr24 i think has a wall of shame somewhere. i am not sure how up to date it is though.

[Crazyirishman]

I think that the multi should have to write an original 1000 word essay on why they should be let back on the site in addition to the $25 fine. that way they have to put a lot of effort than into getting back on. -DDB

[BigBallinStalin]

A wall of multi offenders would be great. Easy way to foe all those cheaters, so even if they buy back, it won't matter, they're foe'd! Problem solved. It would be easy to set-up as well.

Great idea. Needs a catchy name--maybe something as harsh as the comparison of them to being sex offenders.

[owenshooter]

Needs a catchy name--maybe something as harsh as the comparison of them to being sex offenders.

wait, did you just equate multis to sex offenders? sigh... Chris Hansen, CC multi hunter...-6cd

[BigBallinStalin]

Needs a catchy name--maybe something as harsh as the comparison of them to being sex offenders.

wait, did you just equate multis to sex offenders? sigh... Chris Hansen, CC multi hunter...-6cd

Do you really feel secure while surfing the ConquerClub.com? Do you really trust your fellow ConquerClubbers in the many games you play? Do you feel that maybe one of them in a multi predator???


Tonight on Turtle Soup, watch:

To Catch a Multi: Protecting Your Ass from Online Enemies Already in Your Games

[Coronaholic]

Needs a catchy name--maybe something as harsh as the comparison of them to being sex offenders.

wait, did you just equate multis to sex offenders? sigh... Chris Hansen, CC multi hunter...-6cd

Do you really feel secure while surfing the ConquerClub.com? Do you really trust your fellow ConquerClubbers in the many games you play? Do you feel that maybe one of them in a multi predator???


Tonight on Turtle Soup, watch:

To Catch a Multi: Protecting Your Ass from Online Enemies Already in Your Games

Looks like we have ourselves our own Chris Hansen.

[KraphtOne]

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Re: players that violate the rules/buying back in

New postby AndyDufresne on Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:54 am
Those who repeatedly violate rules after a buy backs are not allowed to buy back again, just so everyone knows.


--Andy

that's pretty funny...

[ETROPAL]

Congratulation owner of the site is not to be influenced by a dozen members who believe this very powerful and represents less than 0.001% of Menbres