[Unofficial] HALL OF FAME

[Blitzaholic]

Mission Statement:

"A CC Hall of Famer is recognized as one who has shown great character, game play, and support. They have excelled in displaying quality sportsmanship in every aspect of the site. They are the type of player whose game play stands out above most, and has contributed to the CC world in multiple facets. It is our honor to recognize these competitors as a foundation, who helped build CC into what it is today."

BASE CRITERIA:

Any member of Conquerclub is eligible for the Hall of Fame provided they meet the following measurable requirements:





1. Longevity - A Conquer Club player who has been a member of this site for a minimum of 3 years.

2. Sportsmanship - A player who is respected by the Conquer Club community for exceptional skills, friendliness, and has a rating of 4.5+.

3. Clean Slate - They have not received a ban for a major infraction or multiple bans for minor infractions. Note: below a * defines CC's rules. This should be individualized.

4. Site Commitment - As primarily a gaming site, a minimum of 3,000 games must be played. (this helps measure premium status and dedication). The exception here would be if any person's focus was on organizing tournaments, map making, programming, mods, part of CLA, SoC, Newsletter Volunteer, Admin OR held a Team CC position or being a site worker of any kind, so this section here would need to be strictly individualized.


Specialty Criteria

We suggest the Nomination and Selection committees ask these questions about candidates, using their judgement to assess how well players have performed, paying particular attention to outstanding performances in particular areas and to players who have performed well in multiple areas:


01) Has the player received a Special Contribution medal?
02) How many maps has the player cross mapped on (5+ unique defeats), is it over 100?
03) What has the player's average score been over the entire career on CC, is it close to 2500+?
04) What is the player's highest earned score and rank?
05) Has the player produced maps? If so, How many? Are the maps popular?
06) Has the play organized tournaments? If so, How many? Were any close to a year long?
07) Has the player been involved as a moderator, clan organizer, in CLA, part of SoC, Newsletters, or programming?
08) Has the player won tournaments? If so, how many, and what quality of tournaments?
09) What is the player's relative Map Rank?
10) What is the player's rating? If possible, what is the player's feedback ratio?
11) Does the player have a majority of gold medals? How many total medals does the player have?
12) How many clan wars has the player won? Is their clan respectable and successful as winners?





We think that there should be some kind of shiny new icon and or medal for this outstanding award.

Respectfully, Criteria Committee

this is what we had after we gathered all the cc's public info and criteria committee's info. the first time around months ago.

we have heard a lot of posts and comments in here for some other thoughts and changes and we will bring all these back plus what all else has shared and take each one into account.

there is one week left for the cc public to share anything else they would like us to consider, so please post if you think of anything. we will re-examine all this again in the month of May, and come back to post the final version once the entire committee has all had chance to comment and discuss everything. Thx for everyone's efforts and thoughtfulness into this project.

[White Moose]

Why do i even bother... Can no one ever think like i do? It's so obvious it's sad.

Lets put it like this.

Before, when i was more active, then i never had under 2800 points. I held minimum of those points for about a year. During that year i played EVERYTHING. All from singles to terminator to teamgames to 8-player singles etc etc etc. BUT! I gained most of my points from SPEED GAMES. Would i have held 2800 points by only playing 1v1 seq tournament games as i played the most back then? No, i wouldn't. The points i lost from 1v1 seq i gained from speed.

Blitz did the same, but he gained his points from Triple/Quad games.

Please, don't respond to this blitz. Everyone knows you are SO SLOW TO THINK that it's sad. Right now i'm very tierd of you not understanding anything at all.

I mean, you've been on this site for like 4 years and you still don't know how to create a game link.. Does it get any worse then that? Don't humiliate yourself anymore by arguing my point here.

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

Nor would I want to see players that have played very little variety or games that have skyrocketed their score specializing through one facet of the game.

Just so you know. Everyone who has gotten points to the level you call "skyrocket", have specialized in one facet and played pretty much only that during the time they got points.

I don't think there are anyone who has got 3500 while playing many diffrent types of games. (No, you haven't done that Blitz, i know you are going to say so. But you havent)

I had over 4300 score in the year 2006 and I did play many different types of games and all maps, however a majority of them were triples and at the time that was my bread and butter. It is funny how you think you may know white moose and you were not even on the site then, lol.

here are the games over my career, seems pretty diversified.

Blitzaholic chained games 6455
Blitzaholic unlimited games 5183
Blitzaholic escalating games 5127
Blitzaholic no card games 4266
Blitzaholic triples games 3437
Blitzaholic tourney games 2871
Blitzaholic doubles games 2822
Blitzaholic flat rate games 2629
Blitzaholic singles games 2525
Blitzaholic quads games 2401
Blitzaholic freestyle games 1037
Blitzaholic 1 vs 1 games 994
Blitzaholic assassin games 448
Blitzaholic adjacent games 437
Blitzaholic manual games 399
Blitzaholic terminator games 397

Actually, if you maprank Blitz, you will see the quite incredible breadth of the maps he has played on. Yes I have done this, naturally, as it is something of a given (IMHO) that the benchmark he sets in such things is very high. He doesn't get a gold medal on crossmaps for nothing. Seriously, Blitz and I may have our differences on many issues, but fair is fair he has taken the pain of losing points whilst learning the maps he has played on, then mastered them and got those points back.

I am not going to list mine, but you will find mine very similar. Im sure there are others out there. Perhaps AAFitz and some other ponies to name a few.

[White Moose]

I am not going to list mine, but you will find mine very similar. Im sure there are others out there. Perhaps AAFitz and some other ponies to name a few.

Unfortunatly not even you get what i mean... I don't get why. It's really simple.

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

Mission Statement:

"A CC Hall of Famer is recognized as one who has shown great character, game play, and support. They have excelled in displaying quality sportsmanship in every aspect of the site. They are the type of player whose game play stands out above most, and has contributed to the CC world in multiple facets. It is our honor to recognize these competitors as a foundation, who helped build CC into what it is today."

BASE CRITERIA:

Any member of Conquerclub is eligible for the Hall of Fame provided they meet the following measurable requirements:





1. Longevity - A Conquer Club player who has been a member of this site for a minimum of 3 years.

2. Sportsmanship - A player who is respected by the Conquer Club community for exceptional skills, friendliness, and has a rating of 4.5+.

3. Clean Slate - They have not received a ban for a major infraction or multiple bans for minor infractions. Note: below a * defines CC's rules. This should be individualized.

4. Site Commitment - As primarily a gaming site, a minimum of 3,000 games must be played. (this helps measure premium status and dedication). The exception here would be if any person's focus was on organizing tournaments, map making, programming, mods, part of CLA, SoC, Newsletter Volunteer, Admin OR held a Team CC position or being a site worker of any kind, so this section here would need to be strictly individualized.


Specialty Criteria

We suggest the Nomination and Selection committees ask these questions about candidates, using their judgement to assess how well players have performed, paying particular attention to outstanding performances in particular areas and to players who have performed well in multiple areas:


01) Has the player received a Special Contribution medal?
02) How many maps has the player cross mapped on (5+ unique defeats), is it over 100?
03) What has the player's average score been over the entire career on CC, is it close to 2500+?
04) What is the player's highest earned score and rank?
05) Has the player produced maps? If so, How many? Are the maps popular?
06) Has the play organized tournaments? If so, How many? Were any close to a year long?
07) Has the player been involved as a moderator, clan organizer, in CLA, part of SoC, Newsletters, or programming?
08) Has the player won tournaments? If so, how many, and what quality of tournaments?
09) What is the player's relative Map Rank?
10) What is the player's rating? If possible, what is the player's feedback ratio?
11) Does the player have a majority of gold medals? How many total medals does the player have?
12) How many clan wars has the player won? Is their clan respectable and successful as winners?





We think that there should be some kind of shiny new icon and or medal for this outstanding award.

Respectfully, Criteria Committee

this is what we had after we gathered all the cc's public info and criteria committee's info. the first time around months ago.

we have heard a lot of posts and comments in here for some other thoughts and changes and we will bring all these back plus what all else has shared and take each one into account.

there is one week left for the cc public to share anything else they would like us to consider, so please post if you think of anything. we will re-examine all this again in the month of May, and come back to post the final version once the entire committee has all had chance to comment and discuss everything. Thx for everyone's efforts and thoughtfulness into this project.

anything clan related should be dropped. Its not game related and it does nothing to enhance the site. non-game related things would be creating maps, running tournaments, creating scripts and plug ins, and mod duties to name a few.

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

I am not going to list mine, but you will find mine very similar. Im sure there are others out there. Perhaps AAFitz and some other ponies to name a few.

Unfortunatly not even you get what i mean... I don't get why. It's really simple.

no, I get it. Its that nobody wins 90% of their games on every setting possible to maintain a 3500 score. What your recommending would have no players listed.

[chipv]

That is actually an impressive list, Blitz, on a par with Fitzy and sjnap.

[Gold Knight]

I am not going to list mine, but you will find mine very similar. Im sure there are others out there. Perhaps AAFitz and some other ponies to name a few.

Unfortunatly not even you get what i mean... I don't get why. It's really simple.

no, I get it. Its that nobody wins 90% of their games on every setting possible to maintain a 3500 score. What your recommending would have no players listed.

Exactly, i know every player has a specialty game type/map/settings etc, but the ability to go outside those parameters on a consistent basis and still be successful is what im going for here. EVERY player that is even putting any thought and input into this has a go-to way to best raise their points and ranks, i get that. But if everyone played a equal distribution of every game type and map, there wouldnt be the same domination by players because everyone would know how to play that put the time in. Players like Blitz, JR, and others can play all of those successfully and have done so over a long period of time, even as the game has evolved.

As JR pointed out, im not sure what kind of list your trying to create here as you speak of expanding the eligibles by eliminating some pre-requisites, but now seem more to be trying to attack Blitz's resume. Im sorry, but anyone who doesnt think Blitz is going to be in first ballot is dillusional; its going to happen. Having a limited group of eligibles is what makes this a Hall of "Fame", just like it is an honor in professional sports. We can say whoever we want is eligible, hell we can make the entire site a nominee, but the requirements are set to make this an easier process for the selection committee to go over and pick out the few top contributors and competitors on the site.

It has been said repeatedly but ill say it again: there CAN and WILL BE exceptions to the requirements on an individual basis. If a player has 1500 games and is truly a remarkable players that everyone can recognize, they will be considered and possibly be eligible. Not everyone with 3000 games will be eligible, ill use my clan mate jaseleo, im sure he wont mind... He's point dumped on numerous occaisions, not really the best on any setting, and wouldnt be a "specialist" on this site. More than likely, hes not going to even be considered, and he meets all of the longevity requirements. BTW jase's my boy, still would play with him anytime against anyone.

So, after all that, im not really sure what youre arguing for anymore, as recent posts have just been taking shots at Blitz for posting game links and claiming he's "slow"... Not a real good way to prove a point if you catch my drift. You were being very helpful earlier, going over each criteria step-by-step and offering actual good input. Can we go back to doing that without the childish name-calling? I know people in the criteria and they do take what is said here into consideration, so lets be helpful to them even if you dont like Blitz.

[AgentSmith88]

Mission Statement:

"A CC Hall of Famer is recognized as one who has shown great character, game play, and support. They have excelled in displaying quality sportsmanship in every aspect of the site. They are the type of player whose game play stands out above most, and has contributed to the CC world in multiple facets. It is our honor to recognize these competitors as a foundation, who helped build CC into what it is today."

BASE CRITERIA:

Any member of Conquerclub is eligible for the Hall of Fame provided they meet the following measurable requirements:





1. Longevity - A Conquer Club player who has been a member of this site for a minimum of 3 years.

2. Sportsmanship - A player who is respected by the Conquer Club community for exceptional skills, friendliness, and has a rating of 4.5+.

3. Clean Slate - They have not received a ban for a major infraction or multiple bans for minor infractions. Note: below a * defines CC's rules. This should be individualized.

4. Site Commitment - As primarily a gaming site, a minimum of 3,000 games must be played. (this helps measure premium status and dedication). The exception here would be if any person's focus was on organizing tournaments, map making, programming, mods, part of CLA, SoC, Newsletter Volunteer, Admin OR held a Team CC position or being a site worker of any kind, so this section here would need to be strictly individualized.


Specialty Criteria

We suggest the Nomination and Selection committees ask these questions about candidates, using their judgement to assess how well players have performed, paying particular attention to outstanding performances in particular areas and to players who have performed well in multiple areas:


01) Has the player received a Special Contribution medal?
02) How many maps has the player cross mapped on (5+ unique defeats), is it over 100?
03) What has the player's average score been over the entire career on CC, is it close to 2500+?
04) What is the player's highest earned score and rank?
05) Has the player produced maps? If so, How many? Are the maps popular?
06) Has the play organized tournaments? If so, How many? Were any close to a year long?
07) Has the player been involved as a moderator, clan organizer, in CLA, part of SoC, Newsletters, or programming?
08) Has the player won tournaments? If so, how many, and what quality of tournaments?
09) What is the player's relative Map Rank?
10) What is the player's rating? If possible, what is the player's feedback ratio?
11) Does the player have a majority of gold medals? How many total medals does the player have?
12) How many clan wars has the player won? Is their clan respectable and successful as winners?





We think that there should be some kind of shiny new icon and or medal for this outstanding award.

Respectfully, Criteria Committee

this is what we had after we gathered all the cc's public info and criteria committee's info. the first time around months ago.

we have heard a lot of posts and comments in here for some other thoughts and changes and we will bring all these back plus what all else has shared and take each one into account.

there is one week left for the cc public to share anything else they would like us to consider, so please post if you think of anything. we will re-examine all this again in the month of May, and come back to post the final version once the entire committee has all had chance to comment and discuss everything. Thx for everyone's efforts and thoughtfulness into this project.

anything clan related should be dropped. Its not game related and it does nothing to enhance the site. non-game related things would be creating maps, running tournaments, creating scripts and plug ins, and mod duties to name a few.

Wrong and Wrong. Just because it doesn't do anything for you doesn't mean it doesn't enhance the site for others. I would have quit CC long ago if it weren't for my clan. There are periods where I don't feel like playing at all - my clan keeps me around until I feel like getting extremely involved again (i'm running 5 tourneys and joined about 20 others atm). There are over 1,000 players in clans and I know many of the best players are in clans. Some even only play clan games.

I hate freestyle and would be happy to see it completely eliminated from the site. That doesn't mean I'm going to suggest being good at freestyle games shouldn't be a consideration for the HoF.

[Gold Knight]

Wrong and Wrong. Just because it doesn't do anything for you doesn't mean it doesn't enhance the site for others. I would have quit CC long ago if it weren't for my clan. There are periods where I don't feel like playing at all - my clan keeps me around until I feel like getting extremely involved again (i'm running 5 tourneys and joined about 20 others atm). There are over 1,000 players in clans and I know many of the best players are in clans. Some even only play clan games.

I hate freestyle and would be happy to see it completely eliminated from the site. That doesn't mean I'm going to suggest being good at freestyle games shouldn't be a consideration for the HoF.

I agree, though i am a bit biased being in a clan. Also would be long gone from this game had clans not been here, they have the same competition found in tournaments but with a different structure to them. I can see JR's point as they technically dont effect the gameplay, but technically the same could be said for players who compete in tourneys; theyre basically the same guys but setup differently. So if we really were to take out any importance on clans, it would only be fair that tourney players would lose their accomplishments for "tourneys won" and instead they would also go into the general game count, as would clan games.

I feel they are both fine to leave in and consider, maybe they should not be emphasized as heavily because they both are just preset games, but they both offer different forms of competition on the site and can be used to link the strong players and teams that we have here on CC.

[reptile]

good point GK.

Do not have much time right now, but i did want to mention really quick that this is not the sole thing to make the HOF and exceptions i am sure can and will be made. There is a selection committee that will be voting them in or out. How they weigh their votes is completely up to however that is decided. Not sure entirely right now, but wanted to make sure that everyone is clear that that is not done here and now, though i am sure they will weigh things differently (more or less important).

Great thoughts all, keep em coming

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

Let the record show that I was a Pony when they were formed.

[PLAYER57832]

Like it.
that covers the basics. It might be fun to have a few special categories. Nothing that would spin folks into regions we "don't want to go", (such as biggest loss, etc.) but maybe "longest running game", Oldest actively playing player (other than Lack), longest-standing "approved" suggestion that has not been implemented, etc.

(Sorry I don't have time to review the whole thread, so if this suggestion is a repeat, I apologize.)

[gogglez]

cool, just stumbled on to this. nice to think i got some recognition. thx.

[prismsaber]

I naturally haven't read most of the posts on this thread so maybe this has been discussed but how about different categories in the hall of fame? For example, one category would be something like "most accomplished players" another "best players (perhaps those most respected for their playing skills and not factoring things like longevity; someone like mhennigan could qualify for this)," still another "mapmakers," and another "code monkeys." That's just a very brief proposal but something like that could work well. I like these types of hall of fames because they are specific and those browsing the hall will see primarily why each of these players are in.

[AgentSmith88]

I naturally haven't read most of the posts on this thread so maybe this has been discussed but how about different categories in the hall of fame? For example, one category would be something like "most accomplished players" another "best players (perhaps those most respected for their playing skills and not factoring things like longevity; someone like mhennigan could qualify for this)," still another "mapmakers," and another "code monkeys." That's just a very brief proposal but something like that could work well. I like these types of hall of fames because they are specific and those browsing the hall will see primarily why each of these players are in.

This could work, except some people might be considered due to a combination of these things. If you are a pretty good player but might not quite make the cut, having made a map or 2, run some tourneys, won a few, created an add-on, etc. are things that could push you over the edge into making the HoF. I'm sure each player who makes the HoF would have their accomplishments written somewhere in the vicinity of their actual listing in the HoF.

[Kinnison]

I've now read much of this thread. Ow.

Okay... this is NOT a sports league. It's a game. As such, you do NOT have a completely impartial body of ex-players and coaches to organize the criteria and rules for it. Andy has commented for CC that this will be a USER HOF, implying that CC is not going to help generate criteria or manage the Hall, per se.

Blitz: A HOF is an interesting idea. But you're trying to get it running from the inside, with no real independent viewpoint. I wish you luck, but the lack of progress in the last 3 years should be an indication of how this will continue into the future.

The only way I see this as ever having a chance of acceptance is to first hold a MASS referendum on if it should exist. You're going to need support of the majority of the active community, or the project WILL FAIL or be ignored.

IF the playerbase wants a HOF, then you need to have a usergroup created out of people who would NOT likely qualify for the hall, but still have some loyalty to the site, and LET THEM CREATE THE CRITERIA FOR NOMINATION, as well as some general guidelines for the voting. (both who should vote, and on what).

Then you'll need to create THAT group. Once they're satisfied with the rules, nominations could begin.


NOTE: I don't think any of these steps can be done in parallel. ...MAYBE coming up with the Rules Committee initial membership while running the first vote of the CC populace.

Rules should NOT be discussed in this thread. That's SOLELY for the committee to work on.

And yes, members of both the rules committee and judges would not be eligible for entry into the hall. however, entrants to the hall could LATER join those committees... perhaps.


Biggest note: One reason I suspect this will fail is that we don't have the back-history of a sports league to gaze upon. Once created, the HOF will try to induct too many people from a small period, and requirements WILL end up being watered down. I've seen suggestions here for as few as 3 per year to as many as 5 per 6 months. I think 3 per year MIGHT be sustainable (~5 years), but on the internet, it's all instant gratification and your name in lights.

Final analysis: I think this is just a bigger version of a Special Contribution Medal, only awarded by the Users to Themselves, and therefore meaningless. I've TRIED to give some help above that might give it SOME validity... but I have little hope of it being listened to.

[White Moose]

Big thumbs up for Kinnison

(this is supposed to be a thumb)

[CBlake]

I know alot of old school names, some notorious and some good sport

[Blitzaholic]

Thanks for all the time, patience and suggestions everyone had made. We know this has been a long process, and the entire hall of fame criteria committee has spoken and finalized the criteria and it has been added to the 1st post of this thread as well.


Phase 1: BASE CRITERIA:

Any member of Conquerclub is eligible for the Hall of Fame provided they meet the following measurable requirements:


1. Longevity - A Conquer Club player who has been a member of this site for a minimum of 3 years.

2. Sportsmanship - A player who is respected by the Conquer Club community for exceptional skills, friendliness, and has a rating of 4.5+.

3. Clean Slate - They have not received a ban for a major infraction or multiple bans for minor infractions. Note: below a * defines CC's rules. This should be individualized.

4. Site Commitment - As primarily a gaming site, a minimum of 3,000 games must be played. (this helps measure premium status and dedication). The exception here would be if any person's focus was on organizing tournaments, map making, programming, mods, part of CLA, SoC, Newsletter Volunteer, Admin OR held a Team CC position or being a site worker of any kind, so this section here would need to be strictly individualized.



Phase 2: Mission Statement:

"A CC Hall of Famer is recognized as one who has shown great character, game play, and support. They have excelled in displaying quality sportsmanship in every aspect of the site. They are the type of player whose game play stands out above most, and has contributed to the CC world in multiple facets. It is our honor to recognize these competitors as a foundation, who helped build CC into what it is today."


Phase 3: Specialty Criteria

We suggest the Nomination and Selection committees ask these questions about candidates, using their judgment to assess how well players have performed, paying particular attention to outstanding performances in particular areas and to players who have performed well in multiple areas:


01) Has the player received a Special Contribution medal?
02) How many maps has the player cross mapped on (5+ unique defeats)?
03) What is the player's highest earned score and rank?
04) Did he/she maintain score and rank over time or was it short lived?
05) Has the player produced maps? If so, How many? Are the maps popular?
06) Has the player organized tournaments? If so, How many? What quality were they (were some longer than 4 rounds)?
07) Has the player brought something new to the site (an idea of invention for CC enhancement) that excites or involves other players interests? Ex. the ideas of CLA, SoC, Newsletters, HoF, Map Rank, Stats, Records, Medals, Screenshots, etc.
08) Has the player won any tournaments? What was the length and time of them?
09) Does the player have a majority of gold medals? How many total medals does the player have?
10) Has the player been part of clan wars and contribute? Is their clan respectable and successful as winners? What was their level of competition?
11) Has the player been involved as a moderator, clan organizer, in CLA, part of SoC, Newsletters, or programming?




We think that there should be some kind of shiny new icon and or medal for this outstanding award if Lack and Andy approve.

Respectfully, the entire Criteria Committee


JP, when does the voting of the nominations and selections committee start?

[White Moose]

*sigh*

Doesn't seem to me that anything has changed since the last time. Except for the mission statement.

Luckily this doesn't matter a thing.