Crazy Maps And Dice?

[GrimReaper.]

ALL IN FAVOR SAY I

video conference please

[delahoc]

I HATE this change in the Classic Map. This is not the Classic Map, but a new hunk of crap. CHANGE THIS MAP BACK NOW!!!

CPTMO

SHUT UP! OR I'LL PUNCH YOU IN THE FACE!

Well that was immensely helpful, wasn't it?
Frankly, I agree with CPTMO's post, and don't see any value in that witless reply.

[The Neon Peon]

I sincerely hope Conquer Club isn't selling out to a big media conglomerate. If that is the case, I'll quit, and I hope a lot of others do too. The entire charm of this place is that it's a small independent company. I have to give enough of my money to faceless behemoth corporations. Keep this place pure.

Ugh... this is how bad rumors get started.

It fits the pattern of behavior better than the idea of pissing in your pants over a cease and desist letter.

I have a post about it like 20 pages back

Lol, I am just posting here to get my counts up, everything that needed to be said was done a while ago. It is just that new people keep coming in, and everything needs to be explained again. By the way, we got over 20 pages in 2 hours, I think this is going very well.

[owenshooter]

the dice need to come back. is random.org now generating what we are using instead of the dice? does hasbro own all the dice in the world and have the sole copyright? i have a pair of dice in the drawer in front of me that are not manufactured by hasbro, so i'm pretty sure they don't own the concept of dice. i don't care about the 2 maps, they can be fixed. but backing down on the dice makes no sense.-0

[delahoc]

Lol, I am just posting here to get my counts up, everything that needed to be said was done a while ago. It is just that new people keep coming in, and everything needs to be explained again. By the way, we got over 20 pages in 2 hours, I think this is going very well.

LOL! Sounds like a good plan to me! I guess if I'm not going to play any more, I may as well just post!

[GrimReaper.]

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OPMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG

[jiminski]

Well, this sure helped me kill some time this afternoon...

I am surprised at a few things...
1. that the contingency maps for classic and middle earth are so unremittingly crappy, when any of a number of cartographers could have been tacitly approached months or years ago and asked to whip something up in case this happens
2. that the changeover to new maps and terminology wasn't immediately followed by an official announcement from lack, rather than this ad-hoc thread-merging and have-to-search-for-them messages from twill
3. that there was never any real communication with the community before this went down, when a thread soliciting opinions about how to de-hasbro CC (or at least some mention that eventually the site would have to make some changes) would've at least softened the blow
4. that this changeover is the first gameplay-related change to CC in six months (since the classic touch-up in april, and no, medals and ratings don't count)
5. that management never tacitly got in touch with yeti and chip and other scriptwriters to ensure the smooth transition of BOB and CM and such

Suffice it to say that this is a disconcerting turn of events that leads one to wonder just how on top of things Team CC is. The shroud of secrecy, lack of foresight, and pretty poor contingency options don't reflect well on how the site is being run. I suppose the real question is whether lack views this site as a business or a hobby.

And not to get people down even more, but anyone thinking that classic and middle earth will have revamped concepts up and running any time soon hasn't been to the foundry recently. I would predict that we're in for the long haul with the Lucky Charms specials.

it's an excellent post and relays very much the tone of my thinking.

[spiesr]

Well I guess the XXXXXX XXXXX map will return eventually. But not as XXXXXX XXXXX, we will likely never have a XXXXXX XXXXX map again. A new image will be made a new names given to XXXXXXXXXXX and XXXXXXXXXX. This really shouldn't have to take that long as we should be able to reuse the existing image as it is different enough from the copyrighted version that removing the names should make it legal.

Classic seems to be in a worse place. We will probably have to change the layout of XXXXXXXXXXX and XXXXXXXXXX on this map.

Censured by the man

[timmytuttut88]

Interfacer PH is at it again.

[GrimReaper.]

Lol, I am just posting here to get my counts up, everything that needed to be said was done a while ago. It is just that new people keep coming in, and everything needs to be explained again. By the way, we got over 20 pages in 2 hours, I think this is going very well.

LOL! Sounds like a good plan to me! I guess if I'm not going to play any more, I may as well just post!

A NEW RECORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DaGip]

I HATE this change in the Classic Map. This is not the Classic Map, but a new hunk of crap. CHANGE THIS MAP BACK NOW!!!

CPTMO

SHUT UP! OR I'LL PUNCH YOU IN THE FACE!

I'm a twat....

Why yes...yes you are!

[PepperJack]

Classic seems to be in a worse place. We will probably have to change the layout of territories and continents on this map.

I believe you mean regions and zones now.

Terminology:
"regions" are the total number of regions you occupy.
"zone bonus" are bonus troops you get for occupying all of the regions that make up a zone.
"spoils bonus" is the number of troops you get for turning in a group of spoils.

[spiesr]

the dice need to come back. is random.org now generating what we are using instead of the dice? does hasbro own all the dice in the world and have the sole copyright? i have a pair of dice in the drawer in front of me that are not manufactured by hasbro, so i'm pretty sure they don't own the concept of dice. i don't care about the 2 maps, they can be fixed. but backing down on the dice makes no sense.-0

The "dice" are the same in function, but they are now just numbers. They don't own dice but they do own risk, possibly this includes things such as the use of dice and cards and so on in a game like this.

[delahoc]

[quote="spiesr"]
Classic seems to be in a worse place. We will probably have to change the layout of territories and continents on this map.[/quote]

Not at all. The continents are where they are. Hasbro has no claim on that. If they do, then they need to take every map-maker and atlas-publisher to court to defend it. Same with the territories for that matter. They can make no claim to the names of them (they do not own the words 'siam', 'kamchatrka', 'western europe', 'new guinea', or any other), and if they have some issue with the way they're divided up (or where the lines are drawn), then some simple, low-impact changes can be made to remove that claim.

Frankly, I don't think they have a leg to stand on with the map exactly as it was.

[DaGip]

Classic seems to be in a worse place. We will probably have to change the layout of territories and continents on this map.

I believe you mean regions and zones now.

Terminology:
"regions" are the total number of regions you occupy.
"zone bonus" are bonus troops you get for occupying all of the regions that make up a zone.
"spoils bonus" is the number of troops you get for turning in a group of spoils.

Hasbro owns EVERYTHING!

[The Neon Peon]

the dice need to come back. is random.org now generating what we are using instead of the dice? does hasbro own all the dice in the world and have the sole copyright? i have a pair of dice in the drawer in front of me that are not manufactured by hasbro, so i'm pretty sure they don't own the concept of dice. i don't care about the 2 maps, they can be fixed. but backing down on the dice makes no sense.-0

The "dice" are the same in function, but they are now just numbers. They don't own dice but they do own risk, possibly this includes things such as the use of dice and cards and so on in a game like this.

The new dice look a lot better than the old.

[RjBeals]

Well, this sure helped me kill some time this afternoon...

I am surprised at a few things...
1. that the contingency maps for classic and middle earth are so unremittingly crappy, when any of a number of cartographers could have been tacitly approached months or years ago and asked to whip something up in case this happens
2. that the changeover to new maps and terminology wasn't immediately followed by an official announcement from lack, rather than this ad-hoc thread-merging and have-to-search-for-them messages from twill
3. that there was never any real communication with the community before this went down, when a thread soliciting opinions about how to de-hasbro CC (or at least some mention that eventually the site would have to make some changes) would've at least softened the blow
4. that this changeover is the first gameplay-related change to CC in six months (since the classic touch-up in april, and no, medals and ratings don't count)
5. that management never tacitly got in touch with yeti and chip and other scriptwriters to ensure the smooth transition of BOB and CM and such

Suffice it to say that this is a disconcerting turn of events that leads one to wonder just how on top of things Team CC is. The shroud of secrecy, lack of foresight, and pretty poor contingency options don't reflect well on how the site is being run. I suppose the real question is whether lack views this site as a business or a hobby.

Incandenza - you hit the nail on the head. I almost feel like this site is a job of mine also. I have given many hours of my free time to CONTRIBUTING to this site. I would have gladly revamped the classic map with just enough changes to make it unique, and even better than it is. I feel like the management of this site are constantly letting the community down. Sure Yeti - you wake up to 30 games, that you can have fun with, and your grateful for it. I'm happy for you. You keep on playing those 30 games and enjoying the site. I'm also grateful for the 1-year free premium service I got for each of my maps. And the 1 PM Lack sent thanking me for it, and requesting I agree to give CC permission to do whatever he wants with it. And I didn't even mind paying $24 for my Italy t-shirt. But frankly - I don't like being so involved with a community, and then feeling like I'm left out to dry when something of some importance comes up, that I could have been used as a resource.

I have decided to stop making maps. I've taken the Brazil, Charleston and Iron Curtain offline. I'm going to take a break from cc. The foundry is dead anyway. Optimus, Incandenza, edbeard, mibi and all the other contributors - Thanks guys.

[delahoc]

I HATE this change in the Classic Map. This is not the Classic Map, but a new hunk of crap. CHANGE THIS MAP BACK NOW!!!

CPTMO

SHUT UP! OR I'LL PUNCH YOU IN THE FACE!

I wish I was born with a penis ...

See, we can both do it. Still witless.

[lostatlimbo]

the dice need to come back. is random.org now generating what we are using instead of the dice? does hasbro own all the dice in the world and have the sole copyright? i have a pair of dice in the drawer in front of me that are not manufactured by hasbro, so i'm pretty sure they don't own the concept of dice. i don't care about the 2 maps, they can be fixed. but backing down on the dice makes no sense.-0

Well put - this one boggles my mind. I could care less about a couple maps changing, but the dice? SERIOUSLY? This is absurd on so many levels. Change the color sure - but dice are dice and they existed LONG before Hasbro did.

What did Hasbro do to get CC to fold on this? Why the hell does "Attack" need to change to "Assault" or "Play Set" to "Play Group"??? These are BASIC terms that Hasbro did not invent.

I don't know who to be more frustrated with - Hasbro for being Nazis or CC for being bitches.

[spiesr]

Not at all. The continents are where they are. Hasbro has no claim on that. If they do, then they need to take every map-maker and atlas-publisher to court to defend it. Same with the territories for that matter. They can make no claim to the names of them (they do not own the words 'siam', 'kamchatrka', 'western europe', 'new guinea', or any other), and if they have some issue with the way they're divided up (or where the lines are drawn), then some simple, low-impact changes can be made to remove that claim.

Frankly, I don't think they have a leg to stand on with the map exactly as it was.

No but we can't play this game on that map. They own that. We can have world, but classic is theirs to sell

[jiminski]

Well, this sure helped me kill some time this afternoon...

I am surprised at a few things...
1. that the contingency maps for classic and middle earth are so unremittingly crappy, when any of a number of cartographers could have been tacitly approached months or years ago and asked to whip something up in case this happens
2. that the changeover to new maps and terminology wasn't immediately followed by an official announcement from lack, rather than this ad-hoc thread-merging and have-to-search-for-them messages from twill
3. that there was never any real communication with the community before this went down, when a thread soliciting opinions about how to de-hasbro CC (or at least some mention that eventually the site would have to make some changes) would've at least softened the blow
4. that this changeover is the first gameplay-related change to CC in six months (since the classic touch-up in april, and no, medals and ratings don't count)
5. that management never tacitly got in touch with yeti and chip and other scriptwriters to ensure the smooth transition of BOB and CM and such

Suffice it to say that this is a disconcerting turn of events that leads one to wonder just how on top of things Team CC is. The shroud of secrecy, lack of foresight, and pretty poor contingency options don't reflect well on how the site is being run. I suppose the real question is whether lack views this site as a business or a hobby.

Incandenza - you hit the nail on the head. I almost feel like this site is a job of mine also. I have given many hours of my free time to CONTRIBUTING to this site. I would have gladly revamped the classic map with just enough changes to make it unique, and even better than it is. I feel like the management of this site are constantly letting the community down. Sure Yeti - you wake up to 30 games, that you can have fun with, and your grateful for it. I'm happy for you. You keep on playing those 30 games and enjoying the site. I'm also grateful for the 1-year free premium service I got for each of my maps. And the 1 PM Lack sent thanking me for it, and requesting I agree to give CC permission to do whatever he wants with it. And I didn't even mind paying $24 for my Italy t-shirt. But frankly - I don't like being so involved with a community, and then feeling like I'm left out to dry when something of some importance comes up, that I could have been used as a resource.

I have decided to stop making maps. I've taken the Brazil, Charleston and Iron Curtain offline. I'm going to take a break from cc. The foundry is dead anyway. Optimus, Incandenza, edbeard, mibi and all the other contributors - Thanks guys.

i hope someone important has taken note of this! why did you handle this so badly again?

[kmhebert]

Wow this thread has been buried by the volume of posts. But I will still add a couple of bullet points:

[*] The new maps are, to put it charitably, terrible.
[*] To come out and say "who cares", "get over it", etc is feeble. Why not change all the CC maps to these types of diagrams, if it makes no difference?
[*] This change should have been announced earlier. The maps changed for me in mid-turn!
[*] CC should share whatever legal documents were presented requiring this change on the CC forums.
[*] CC should make an attempt to win this issue in the courts.
[*] Hopefully a more acceptable version of the classic and Middle Earth maps will be made available soon.
[*] None of the changes to dice and wording are legally defensible.

Hey I love the old CC and I will play the other maps, but I am in agreement that Classic and Middle Earth are unplayable as-is.

[OlJock99]

Why did Middle Earth get pulled? Did the Tolkien estate threaten action? I can see the overall "Risk" concept being an issue, especially since Hasbro has released an electron version, but Middle Earth??

And Incandenza, excellent post. Hope the powers that be read it.

[spiesr]

Well put - this one boggles my mind. I could care less about a couple maps changing, but the dice? SERIOUSLY? This is absurd on so many levels. Change the color sure - but dice are dice and they existed LONG before Hasbro did.
What did Hasbro do to get CC to fold on this? Why the hell does "Attack" need to change to "Assault" or "Play Set" to "Play Group"??? These are BASIC terms that Hasbro did not invent.
I don't know who to be more frustrated with - Hasbro for being Nazis or CC for being bitches.

I just figured it out!
They are tired of someone else making money off of what is nearly identical to a game they won. They made a legal move. Lack a doesn't want to go to court. It doesn't matter weather or not they would win. The site must be made more different from risk so that wont happen.

[Optimus Prime]

Now, I'm pissed. Those three maps that just got removed were three of the best maps ever designed for this site.

I'm not happy at all now.