Team games Invite Abuse

[codeblue1018]

even though; player's computer/conection is too important in speed games and makes it a gross abuse in my perspective. people that play lots of 1vs1 speeders and are really good at it are really fast but mostly have really fast machines/conections.

it's like doing a race with a stalion or a donkey, and this is then reflected on the scoreboard. and tsoumiou who created this thread seems to be a big freestyle player and wins lots of games like that.

I personally know that if i don't end assaults with 12s left i miss my spoil because the whole thing is too slow to process. these point losses/wins are just counted the same way as sequential and it's purely bs.

Ok, I do understand that and yes, computer/Internet speed is a do or die issue in these games. Perhaps a message when starting or joining freestyle games for those that aren't aware of the speed aspect of the game? I don't know, just a thought. This will give ample warning to players for them to be informed and have a sound choice when joining a game. Obviously this would apply to newer players that dont know the difference between the two game styles.

[tsioumiou]

I really don't think that it should really be that difficult to tweak the freestyle format so that this is not an issue anymore. The first turn timer, or even the removal of invites from freestyle, or another easy tweak should not be that complicated. Then the freestyle issue goes away.

I don't think I like the idea of being judged by unwritten rules. It allows for wide interpretations of what someone can and can't do. Plus, I think someone should know what they should or shouldn't do prior to being penalized for it. I do understand what LMS is saying, but if we went that route, then the possibilities for abuse or even judgement calls to vary on the same issues will likely occur. Like Sniper was saying, cries of favoritism would arise and it would still be a mess.

It is just a game. I think that perhaps we may need to try this viewpoint and not take ourselves too seriously. Let us look if there is a way to fix the game so that these types of discussions can be obsolete and we can focus on ways to improve everyone's game experience by improving the site rather than focusing on rules and finding ways to get players banned.

thanks,

J

You really dont understand the point of this. I dont even think you understand the kind of abuse we are talking about.

You are talking about freestyle in general. We are talking about something very specific.

Open a new thread if you want to complain about freestly in general

this thread is about invite abuse but you cant have invite abuse without freestyle so the discussion about freestyle is valid in this thread.

With the same logic we should all blame the internet because without it there would be no cc and without cc there would be no freestyle.

Or maybe lets shut down the whole site because some idiots abuse the invite button.

Whats wrong with you people? can we talk specifically about the invite abuse?


There are very few people who are doing it, mostly generals, the mods can find them easily, warn them and if they do it again take some more aggressive measures.

Also when you see someone takes advantage of the invite button take a min to report it because it is unethical, it discourages new players and it is very unfair to many skilled players out there you actually deserve their ranks


Its as simple as that.
There is no need to go to extremes and cancel the invite button completely (as some people said) because it was a good development that promotes team games etc...


Thanks

[jghost7]

I really don't think that it should really be that difficult to tweak the freestyle format so that this is not an issue anymore. The first turn timer, or even the removal of invites from freestyle, or another easy tweak should not be that complicated. Then the freestyle issue goes away.

I don't think I like the idea of being judged by unwritten rules. It allows for wide interpretations of what someone can and can't do. Plus, I think someone should know what they should or shouldn't do prior to being penalized for it. I do understand what LMS is saying, but if we went that route, then the possibilities for abuse or even judgement calls to vary on the same issues will likely occur. Like Sniper was saying, cries of favoritism would arise and it would still be a mess.

It is just a game. I think that perhaps we may need to try this viewpoint and not take ourselves too seriously. Let us look if there is a way to fix the game so that these types of discussions can be obsolete and we can focus on ways to improve everyone's game experience by improving the site rather than focusing on rules and finding ways to get players banned.

thanks,

J

You really dont understand the point of this. I dont even think you understand the kind of abuse we are talking about.

You are talking about freestyle in general. We are talking about something very specific.

Open a new thread if you want to complain about freestly in general

this thread is about invite abuse but you cant have invite abuse without freestyle so the discussion about freestyle is valid in this thread.

With the same logic we should all blame the internet because without it there would be no cc and without cc there would be no freestyle. Or maybe lets shut down the whole site because some idiots abuse the invite button.
LOL, maybe thats why you sound lost... ...you sure are not getting it.

Whats wrong with you people? can we talk specifically about the invite abuse? There are very few people who are doing it, mostly generals, the mods can find them easily, warn them and if they do it again take some more aggressive measures.
The better question is what is wrong with you? Invite abuse...defined as what? Also, based on what do you make the assumption that only a very few do it? Don't get me wrong, I do understand that you do not agree with the practice of using the invite system to keep freestyle games open, and there are plenty of others that are of the same mind. But you seem to have not read the preceding posts closely enough to follow that these issues are being discussed. There are several ways that have been proposed to deal with this. Try not to be overly dramatic in your presentation of your dissatisfaction of the direction this thread has taken.

Also when you see someone takes advantage of the invite button take a min to report it because it is unethical, it discourages new players and it is very unfair to many skilled players out there you actually deserve their ranks
Its as simple as that.
It is obviously not that simple. You probably should go and re read some of the previous posts. Lets now try to work on ways to fix the issue so that the needless reports wont be necessary. Besides, us skilled players will be ok. We will live to play another day. My feelings have never been hurt as a result of anything regarding rank.


There is no need to go to extremes and cancel the invite button completely (as some people said) because it was a good development that promotes team games etc...
The suggestion of removing the invite button was for the freestyle gametype only. It was not meant to completely remove the invite button as that would be a regression of the site in general.


Thanks

[tsioumiou]

Well i don't want to drag this any further. I did expect a bit more support maybe.
Obviously many people believe that this is not an abuse and many who do not believe that we cant do much about it.

Its definitely not the freestyle to blame. Competitive speed freestyle is one of the best things in this site. (not farming and yes for the people who have a descent internet connection. Its 2012 btw)

I still believe that some people abused of course. Don't care who they are. I only opened this thread hoping that something can be done to prevent it from happening again.

[ljex]

Well i don't want to drag this any further. I did expect a bit more support maybe.
Obviously many people believe that this is not an abuse and many who do not believe that we cant do much about it.

Its definitely not the freestyle to blame. Competitive speed freestyle is one of the best things in this site. (not farming and yes for the people who have a descent internet connection. Its 2012 btw)

I still believe that some people abused of course. Don't care who they are. I only opened this thread hoping that something can be done to prevent it from happening again.

you might want to check C&A a case has already been filed by another member.

Im honestly not sure if this should be against the rules which many agree with but i must say that it is shady tactics at best

[Pirlo]

Guys calm down; but as i said before; if we don't want all this to turn into a big C&A nightmare, because the GLG case, why don't we create a thread or something that lists all the breaches in CC? there sure are a lot of them!

we then need lackattack to create restrictions in games settings to cover those breaches. if things are not allowed to do, well then why are the settings possible to do?

just go on join games; there are always tons of freestyle games with braddy and profits on das schloss and IA guys on galapagos or waterloo, pirlo on monsters, no survivors on oasis, jsnyder on das schloss... any day!!

most of the known CC players have their own little ranching techniques for points gathering. go look at the win rates on all the type of games mentioned above. these are clearly for points gathering and taking advantage of players.
Are we going to witch hunt all this too? are these players doing only this?? the answer is no; they are not 100% dedicated to these settings.
it's pocket money. do I give a f*ck of the noobs losing 10 points? no. you guys don't either. you just don't want players to win easy points.

Except I'm doing my monsters thing as a favor for my friends to get their freestyle and manual medals, not for silly useless points
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[tec805]

Except I'm doing my monsters thing as a favor for my friends to get their freestyle and manual medals, not for silly useless points
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Up a little late last night.

[davsweeney]

I am one of the accused.

Let me start with, I accept King Achilles ruling and will abide by it. Now I would like to say, I never anticipated in my wildest dreams that our use of the invite system would be considered abuse. That doesn't make me a bad person or someone with questionable character. I just couldn't see a reason to join a team free style game unless I was ensured my team would go first.

I still do not see it as abuse but understand many others do and accept their might be flaw in my wiring which doesn't allow me to see it as abuse. Again, i will state, i accept the ruling and will not do it anymore. In my mind it was just sound strategy. I didn't feel like we were locking anyone into a game because they could drop whenever they wanted and many times a player did drop.

I apologize to anyone we offended but I am not going to apologize for doing it.

To clear up some misconceptions. We were not doing this for points. Yes I realize we accumulated points for our wins. We were doing to get a freestyle medals. This is not a justification for our actions just an explanation of why we were playing so many free style games. If you remove all of my points I have received in free style for these games I would still be a brig. I think if you look at the path of all our careers, you will notice that each of has steadily been climbing over a long period of time. yes I realized I reached the rank of general for the first time quicker because of these games but would have probably gotten there in due time anyway. In addition, anyone who knows me, knows I think rank doesn't mean crap. I have consistently been one of the higher ranked members in my clan but I am not in the top 50% of players in the Pack based on skill. I just play fewer maps and stick to games I am good at. Compared to my Pack brothers and sister, I suck but I am okay with that and they let me play with them anyway.

My last point is this. I have been "farmed". I was invited to play a 1 on 1 game on a map I didn't know, early in my career by a higher ranking player. I sent him a message stating I didn't know the map and wouldn't have a chance. He responded it was easy and would teach me. I joined, asked for assistance, got none, and lost badly. I did not going crying to my mommy, wet my pants or turn him in. I lost, learned a lesson, and didn't let it happen again. I went back the other day, found the game and checked my rating for the other player. i didn't even rate him poorly. I gave him 4s and 5s in everything. I joined the game, was pretty sure i was going to lose, and lost.

I hope everyone has a wonderful day...and someone on this site owes some of my clanmates a medal for a clan war we won several months back.

[mc05025]

You forgot to mention that except from your trick you did use an illegal account sitting abuse.

Because when the games started all you should be online to play. But some of you live in Australia and some on US which make it difficult to be online at the same time.

So you illegally played for each other in order to take a strategical advantage (and not for the fear of a miss turn)

Do not care about you and your tricks but please do not pretend the innocent people that want to have fun

[tec805]

But some of you live in Australia and some on US which make it difficult to be online at the same time.

You really can't check to see the time difference? Smegal69 manages a dairy farm, he is up at 5am most mornings, which is noon my time. As long as his farm owner isn't hanging around he has plenty of time to play with us. You probably are going to say we were sitting for pickledmushrooms who is also in Australia? Game 10837722

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Someone eventually is going to report your taking turns winning standard games with your friends.

[mc05025]

But some of you live in Australia and some on US which make it difficult to be online at the same time.

You really can't check to see the time difference? Smegal69 manages a dairy farm, he is up at 5am most mornings, which is noon my time. As long as his farm owner isn't hanging around he has plenty of time to play with us. You probably are going to say we were sitting for pickledmushrooms who is also in Australia? Game 10837722

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Someone eventually is going to report your taking turns winning standard games with your friends.

no Smegal.

game 10786463 chat

2012-03-19 05:56:40 - mc05025: PS Tec who is taking your turns?

2012-03-19 19:20:21 - tec805: I normally get smegal69 to roll for me when my hands are hurting, sometimes one of our other clan members. Using Camera Mouse is tough with this much clicking

When we are taking turns with my friends we do not do that in order to gain a strategical advantage but in order not to miss turn.

[tec805]

2012-03-19 05:56:40 - mc05025: PS Tec who is taking your turns?

2012-03-19 19:20:21 - tec805: I normally get smegal69 to roll for me when my hands are hurting, sometimes one of our other clan members. Using Camera Mouse is tough with this much clicking

When we are taking turns with my friends we do not do that in order to gain a strategical advantage but in order not to miss turn.

Don't be a dumbass - you think I'm cheating and telling people I'm playing against? I have RSI, I work on computers for a living, when I use the computer too much it causes me pain. I use http://cameramouse.org/ but it is slow as hell and very imprecise (give it a try, you only need a webcam). I have a trackball on the floor for clicking with my foot. I have a mouse and a Logitech Wireless Touchpad on my desk to change up the motion my hands go through (using a mouse is so much faster I'll do it until the pain starts). If I didn't have good friends to help me with my clicking I wouldn't be playing games. And if you think smegal is taking my turns because I don't know what I'm doing then why don't you run a little maprank on us?

You and your friends get suckers like me into giving you easy points. My friends help me in real life. See the difference?

[mc05025]

Nah? what is RSA?

Actually I thought you were making fun with me....

[tec805]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repetitive_strain_injury

I was stupid for too many years playing video games that required lots of clicking. I'm too old to change my profession and I love playing games too much to give up completely.