Terminator Experiment Results

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

again, let me explain your ignorance

how can i be the 2nd player if im starting the game ?

I did exactly as you suggested but instead, I also included "Johnnyrocket24" in my search.

The first two pages were filled with you joining a Freestyle 1v1 game.

Randomly clicking on about 8 of them, I found these two:

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=727706
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=735944

add "waiting" in your search. I cant join a game thats already completed. now tell me the highest ranked player waiting for someone to join.

[comic boy]

DiM

Not quite sure why you dragged me into this but yes me and 2 friends set up 6 terminator games over a couple of weeks just for fun on maps we were unfamiliar with. The agreement was that nobody should win or lose points and as far as I know this practice was far from uncommon,in fact somebody else had suggested it to me.
The essential difference between this and what your group did was that ALL parties agreed that no points would be won/lost as opposed to one party being in a no win but potential lose situation. Now I did not say what you did was illegal but it is definitely immoral for you guys to benefit so the points should go back to the victims, cant see why you should be penalised further though.

[The1exile]

now tell me the highest ranked player waiting for someone to join.

Ruben Cassar.

[DiM]

DiM

Not quite sure why you dragged me into this but yes me and 2 friends set up 6 terminator games over a couple of weeks just for fun on maps we were unfamiliar with. The agreement was that nobody should win or lose points and as far as I know this practice was far from uncommon,in fact somebody else had suggested it to me.
The essential difference between this and what your group did was that ALL parties agreed that no points would be won/lost as opposed to one party being in a no win but potential lose situation. Now I did not say what you did was illegal but it is definitely immoral for you guys to benefit so the points should go back to the victims, cant see why you should be penalised further though.

i dragged you into this because johnny said people that abuse the system to avoid point loss in terminator games should be warned/banned. i pointed him to what you did and as you can see your explanation fits perfectly to what i assumed happened (friends not wanting to lose points and agreeing on deadbeating before the game).

and yes i agree what i did is immoral that's why i apologized and offered rematch chances.

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

now tell me the highest ranked player waiting for someone to join.

Ruben Cassar.

not true

i said public games. thats a private game which is set up most likely in advance with another player


again sort by

public games
freestyle
games waiting
2 player

and alot of the times i dont play flat rate or no card games

[DiM]

again, let me explain your ignorance

how can i be the 2nd player if im starting the game ?

I did exactly as you suggested but instead, I also included "Johnnyrocket24" in my search.

The first two pages were filled with you joining a Freestyle 1v1 game.

Randomly clicking on about 8 of them, I found these two:

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=727706
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=735944

add "waiting" in your search. I cant join a game thats already completed. now tell me the highest ranked player waiting for someone to join.

the point of treefiddy's post was why did you feel the need to force the other player into missing his turn?
why abuse the system?

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

DiM

Not quite sure why you dragged me into this but yes me and 2 friends set up 6 terminator games over a couple of weeks just for fun on maps we were unfamiliar with. The agreement was that nobody should win or lose points and as far as I know this practice was far from uncommon,in fact somebody else had suggested it to me.
The essential difference between this and what your group did was that ALL parties agreed that no points would be won/lost as opposed to one party being in a no win but potential lose situation. Now I did not say what you did was illegal but it is definitely immoral for you guys to benefit so the points should go back to the victims, cant see why you should be penalised further though.

atleast that makes sense. all parties agreed in advance to the conditions. nobody was upset of the outcome.

dim and his buddies even admitted to getting negative feedbacks because of their test

[DiM]

please respond to this.

again, let me explain your ignorance

how can i be the 2nd player if im starting the game ?

why do you want to be the second player?
perhaps you mean you want to be the first to take his turn.

simple stay online and start few games at a time.
post 5 games (guaranteed to be filled in a matter of minutes) take turns then post another 5 and so on.

it is totally doable. but the problem is that you don't want to play against high ranked people.

especially this part
i said earlier that at some point i started hunting for freestyle 1v1 games. i found a guy with 6 such games (he was a cook) i joined 3 and at the same time you joined 3. at that moment there were 5 more freestyle 1v1 games. 3 where made by low ranked players 1 cook and 2 cadets and 2 were made by a guy that was a sergeant 1st class. so i just waited to see what you join. exactly as i suspected you joined the cook and the 2 cadets but the games of the sergeant were still there. i stayed on for 10 more minutes and 1 more game appeared. another cook. you joined that one too. the sergeant was still there.
why?

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

again, let me explain your ignorance

how can i be the 2nd player if im starting the game ?

I did exactly as you suggested but instead, I also included "Johnnyrocket24" in my search.

The first two pages were filled with you joining a Freestyle 1v1 game.

Randomly clicking on about 8 of them, I found these two:

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=727706
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=735944

add "waiting" in your search. I cant join a game thats already completed. now tell me the highest ranked player waiting for someone to join.

the point of treefiddy's post was why did you feel the need to force the other player into missing his turn?
why abuse the system?

no

your point was to show everyone the rank of the players I played. now that I proved you wrong with that, you jumped to something else. out of the 600 games played there were a handful of games I doubled up. do you see me complaining about the same tactic being played on me? thats freestyle. suck it up or dont play it. 2 players left me feedback for it and again...you see me bitching about it ? In fact, that does nothing but prove the system is working...not being abused. again, im down 300-400 points and i still play the same thing. that should prove that im not abusing the system or trying to gain points from it.

take a couple weeks off. think about it some more. than come back. im done here. your small brain cant handle the facts.

[treefiddy]

Now I did not say what you did was illegal but it is definitely immoral for you guys to benefit so the points should go back to the victims, cant see why you should be penalised further though.

I did create private games for those people that I deadbeated out of. They got their points (and more since I had more points to lose by then). I actually did this the same day this thread was created.

In all reality, the only person who lost out was the one freebie who got caught up in this entire thing. Everyone else only had a game that sat in their box for a couple of days since they were all premium.

As for JR, I'll gladly accept any warning given to me. I don't have any intention of ever abusing the system for personal gain. So far this experiment has already brought something good to the site, so I'm happy that I was apart of it.

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

heres an experiment for you noob....since you never get the facts before you post

go to game finder

sort by

freestyle
public
2 player games

now tell me the highest rank you see


enough said noob

no johnny that's not a good excuse, let me offer a better alternative.

go to start a game check 2 players check freestyle put a password and then post in the callouts saying you want just people over 2000 points to join.

this is what a man does when he wants a challenge.

and believe me i'm willing to bet that if you start 100 freestyle 1v1 games and ask in the callouts for people over 2000 points the games will be filled within hours of you posting.

again, let me explain your ignorance

how can i be the 2nd player if im starting the game ?

why do you want to be the second player?
perhaps you mean you want to be the first to take his turn.

simple stay online and start few games at a time.
post 5 games (guaranteed to be filled in a matter of minutes) take turns then post another 5 and so on.

it is totally doable. but the problem is that you don't want to play against high ranked people.

i said earlier that at some point i started hunting for freestyle 1v1 games. i found a guy with 6 such games (he was a cook) i joined 3 and at the same time you joined 3. at that moment there were 5 more freestyle 1v1 games. 3 where made by low ranked players 1 cook and 2 cadets and 2 were made by a guy that was a sergeant 1st class. so i just waited to see what you join. exactly as i suspected you joined the cook and the 2 cadets but the games of the sergeant were still there. i stayed on for 10 more minutes and 1 more game appeared. another cook. you joined that one too. the sergeant was still there.
why?

for the 3rd fucking time

FREESTYLE/ESC/CHAINED....MAYBE UNLIMITED IF I HAVE THE TIME TO MOVE MORE THAN 1 FORT...DEPENDING IF IM AT WORK OR NOT

jesus christ

are you that fucking stupid ?


and the next post will be someone else bitching that I dont play with low ranks.......probably this same guy since he is fucking clueless.

[treefiddy]

no

your point was to show everyone the rank of the players I played. now that I proved you wrong with that, you jumped to something else. out of the 600 games played there were a handful of games I doubled up. do you see me complaining about the same tactic being played on me? thats freestyle. suck it up or dont play it. 2 players left me feedback for it and again...you see me bitching about it ? In fact, that does nothing but prove the system is working...not being abused. again, im down 300-400 points and i still play the same thing. that should prove that im not abusing the system or trying to gain points from it.

take a couple weeks off. think about it some more. than come back. im done here. your small brain cant handle the facts.

You do bitch about your feedback which is why it gets removed. Someone was complaining about it here in General Discussion a week or two ago. If the feedback has any swearing in it at all, or has any reference to anything out of the game, or non-game related; it gets deleted. You've created a situation where you can only receive negative feedback if it's cookie-cutter and says "He waited 23 hours to take his turn forcing me to miss my own." The general problem with this, is since you only seem to play low ranked people who are new to the site (and mostly freebie accounts), they don't understand the system well enough to defend against your abuse, know to leave feedback, or if they do; know to be as cookie-cutter as possible.

You did nothing to prove anything. If you were trying to point out that the only people who make public freestyle games are private rank and lower, then all you did was say "do a game finder search". DiM already pointed out that you clearly did not join a game with a higher ranking person who had started it.

[comic boy]

Now I did not say what you did was illegal but it is definitely immoral for you guys to benefit so the points should go back to the victims, cant see why you should be penalised further though.

I did create private games for those people that I deadbeated out of. They got their points (and more since I had more points to lose by then). I actually did this the same day this thread was created.

In all reality, the only person who lost out was the one freebie who got caught up in this entire thing. Everyone else only had a game that sat in their box for a couple of days since they were all premium.

As for JR, I'll gladly accept any warning given to me. I don't have any intention of ever abusing the system for personal gain. So far this experiment has already brought something good to the site, so I'm happy that I was apart of it.

That is entirely admirable and had I realised that this was being done I would not have brought the issue up. My concern really was that people would view it as a point grabbing exercise rather than a serious attempt to fix a glitch in the system.

[DiM]

heres an experiment for you noob....since you never get the facts before you post

go to game finder

sort by

freestyle
public
2 player games

now tell me the highest rank you see


enough said noob

no johnny that's not a good excuse, let me offer a better alternative.

go to start a game check 2 players check freestyle put a password and then post in the callouts saying you want just people over 2000 points to join.

this is what a man does when he wants a challenge.

and believe me i'm willing to bet that if you start 100 freestyle 1v1 games and ask in the callouts for people over 2000 points the games will be filled within hours of you posting.

again, let me explain your ignorance

how can i be the 2nd player if im starting the game ?

why do you want to be the second player?
perhaps you mean you want to be the first to take his turn.

simple stay online and start few games at a time.
post 5 games (guaranteed to be filled in a matter of minutes) take turns then post another 5 and so on.

it is totally doable. but the problem is that you don't want to play against high ranked people.

i said earlier that at some point i started hunting for freestyle 1v1 games. i found a guy with 6 such games (he was a cook) i joined 3 and at the same time you joined 3. at that moment there were 5 more freestyle 1v1 games. 3 where made by low ranked players 1 cook and 2 cadets and 2 were made by a guy that was a sergeant 1st class. so i just waited to see what you join. exactly as i suspected you joined the cook and the 2 cadets but the games of the sergeant were still there. i stayed on for 10 more minutes and 1 more game appeared. another cook. you joined that one too. the sergeant was still there.
why?

for the 3rd fucking time

FREESTYLE/ESC/CHAINED....MAYBE UNLIMITED IF I HAVE THE TIME TO MOVE MORE THAN 1 FORT...DEPENDING IF IM AT WORK OR NOT

jesus christ

are you that fucking stupid ?


and the next post will be someone else bitching that I dont play with low ranks.......probably this same guy since he is fucking clueless.

johnny you still don't get it do you?

let me explain this better.
i searched for 1v1 freestyle escalating chained as i saw this is what you play.

there were 11 games found. 6 where from a cook i joined 3 you joined 3. there were 5 more. 1 cook 2 cadets and 2 more games made by a sergeant 1st class. all 1v1 freestyle escalating chained.
you joined all the low ranks but did not join the sergeant 1st class. why?
then a few more low ranked games appeared and joined those too but not the sergeant first class.

you said you only play low ranks because that's what you find. perfect. but when you found a rather high ranked player you did not join. and looking as you've played hundreds of 1v1 freestyle escalating chained games don't tell me you never came across high ranked players. i just pointed you a case that i saw. i'm sure you've encountered more.

edit// and again please control your language. this is not the flame wars. feel free to start a thread there and curse me all you want i don't care but let's keep it civilized in here.

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

ok, heres where we solve this

i want every example of a player over 2,500 points starting a game under these conditions

public game
1 vs 1
chain fort
esc cards
freestyle

run those test and get back to me. I will tell you right now tht the results will be under 5% of all the 1 vs 1's ever created under those terms. So I guess if you saw a game within that 5% that I neglected to join, than I am guilty as charged. Good hunting jerkoffs.

[DiM]

ok, heres where we solve this

i want every example of a player over 2,500 points starting a game under these conditions

public game
1 vs 1
chain fort
esc cards
freestyle

run those test and get back to me. I will tell you right now tht the results will be under 5% of all the 1 vs 1's ever created under those terms. So I guess if you saw a game within that 5% that I neglected to join, than I am guilty as charged. Good hunting jerkoffs.

if people over 2500 are under 5% then i guess people over 2000 should be somewhere around 8-10% and people over 1500 should be close to 25% or even more.

let me search your 1 vs 1 chain fort esc cards freestyle games. you have ~250 of them. and from those 250 games there is only one player that played 3 games with you. he now has 1572 points.

normally you should have had around 60 or more games against players over 1500 points. and yet you only have 3 games. care to explain why?
and further more in those 3 games you forced the other guy to miss his turn a few times.

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

ok, heres where we solve this

i want every example of a player over 2,500 points starting a game under these conditions

public game
1 vs 1
chain fort
esc cards
freestyle

run those test and get back to me. I will tell you right now tht the results will be under 5% of all the 1 vs 1's ever created under those terms. So I guess if you saw a game within that 5% that I neglected to join, than I am guilty as charged. Good hunting jerkoffs.

if people over 2500 are under 5% then i guess people over 2000 should be somewhere around 8-10% and people over 1500 should be close to 25% or even more.

let me search your 1 vs 1 chain fort esc cards freestyle games. you have ~250 of them. and from those 250 games there is only one player that played 3 games with you. he now has 1572 points.

normally you should have had around 60 or more games against players over 1500 points. and yet you only have 3 games. care to explain why?
and further more in those 3 games you forced the other guy to miss his turn a few times.

I dint ask for percentages. i asked for actual numbers. dont take short cuts. complete the task correctly.

there are 60 pages worth of information to look through. the first page contained 7 games that met the game criteria I gave you...all 7 games from the same player. now look through the other 59 pages and get back to me with the results.

if all 60 pages follow suit, than out of 6,000 games started with that game criteria, only 420 games started would have given you the chance to claim that I avoided high rank players which of course is a big whooping 7%.

but i want actual numbers. not assumptions. if your going to accuse me of something than do the research.

[treefiddy]

I dint ask for percentages. i asked for actual numbers. dont take short cuts. complete the task correctly.

This task, like most of your lists, is extremely specific and beneficial to the point you are trying to make. DiM's original suggestion was to call out 2000+ players, not 2500+ players (the extra 500 points disqualifies over 200 extra people's potential games).

Another point DiM made, has a cutoff of 1500 since you've only joined 3 games where someone is over 1500 (who knows what rank that person was when they created the game). A cutoff of 1500 opens up the potential for 1700 people's created games.

In the end, your task doesn't prove anything. What DiM did by stating you've only played a 1500+ player three times (all the same player) is relevant to what we are talking about here.

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

I dint ask for percentages. i asked for actual numbers. dont take short cuts. complete the task correctly.

This task, like most of your lists, is extremely specific and beneficial to the point you are trying to make. DiM's original suggestion was to call out 2000+ players, not 2500+ players (the extra 500 points disqualifies over 200 extra people's potential games).

Another point DiM made, has a cutoff of 1500 since you've only joined 3 games where someone is over 1500 (who knows what rank that person was when they created the game). A cutoff of 1500 opens up the potential for 1700 people's created games.

In the end, your task doesn't prove anything. What DiM did by stating you've only played a 1500+ player three times (all the same player) is relevant to what we are talking about here.

no, im proving that I dont have the chance to play players of high rank if the games are never set up.

by examining the games that are completed with the game criteria that I play, you will clearly see I am not avoiding the players over 2,500 like he stated. let him do the research and he will see for himself. in the meantime, continue to moniter the game finder and advise me when there is a game and I will join it just for you.

thanks

[DiM]

I dint ask for percentages. i asked for actual numbers. dont take short cuts. complete the task correctly.

This task, like most of your lists, is extremely specific and beneficial to the point you are trying to make. DiM's original suggestion was to call out 2000+ players, not 2500+ players (the extra 500 points disqualifies over 200 extra people's potential games).

Another point DiM made, has a cutoff of 1500 since you've only joined 3 games where someone is over 1500 (who knows what rank that person was when they created the game). A cutoff of 1500 opens up the potential for 1700 people's created games.

In the end, your task doesn't prove anything. What DiM did by stating you've only played a 1500+ player three times (all the same player) is relevant to what we are talking about here.

exactly what treefiddy says.

i looked at the list of 1v1 freestyle escalating chained games.
without counting the games started by alex_white101 there are 187 games started by players over 1500 points in the first thousand games. again without counting alex's games.

if we make the analogy we get an 18.7 % of games started by people over 1500 points. this means you should have at least 45 games versus people over 1500 and yet you have just 3 games.

also regarding alex's games how come you never joined 1 of them. don't tell me you know he'd deadbeat because you didn't and if you did know he'd deadbeat i'm willing to bet you would have joined all of his games because that would have meant 400 extra wins for you to brag with. and a bigger winning percentage.

so please explain me. how come you only have 3 games vs 1 guy over 1500 points? how did it happen that you missed hundreds of games versus people over 1500 points and did not join them?
how come that when you look at some of the starting moments for those high ranked games you find out you were only and started other games versus cooks? what does this prove? that you were online and searched for games. found games vs cooks and vs high rankers and decided to join the easy ones.

please explain. i'm indeed most curious what our excuse will be this time.

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

do not edit my game criteria

I did not say 1,500 points. I said 2,500 points. redo the task with the correct information. stop taking short cuts. do not make decisions that will benefit the outcome in your favor. you said high ranked players is what i avoid. So you must use a high ranked player score....2,500. not a score that will help your cry.

[treefiddy]

I'd also like to point out that further limiting the search capability in order to lower the available pool of games to choose from also benefits your point.

A true test would be to just search all 1v1 Freestyle Public games. Seeing as how less than 50% of your 1v1 Freestyle games are:

Standard
Escalating
Chained
Public

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

I'd also like to point out that further limiting the search capability in order to lower the available pool of games to choose from also benefits your point.

A true test would be to just search all 1v1 Freestyle Public games. Seeing as how less than 50% of your 1v1 Freestyle games are:

Standard
Escalating
Chained
Public

right

we are not going to examine what i dont play. I will tell you what guys. this task is way beyond your capabilities of completing. I will complete the task for you.

[DiM]

do not edit my game criteria

I did not say 1,500 points. I said 2,500 points. redo the task with the correct information. stop taking short cuts. do not make decisions that will benefit the outcome in your favor. you said high ranked players is what i avoid. So you must use a high ranked player score....2,500. not a score that will help your cry.

no you did not say 1500 and you didn't say 2500 either i was the one that started asking why don't you play captains or majors or high ranked players in general. so i looked at your 1v1 freestyle escalating chained games and found only 3 out of 250 to be against a player over 1500. i presented you with a clear percentage of games started by people over 1500 and how you fail to even come close to that percentage. also i asked you why you haven't joined any of alex's games.

please answer these 2 questions.

[DiM]

I'd also like to point out that further limiting the search capability in order to lower the available pool of games to choose from also benefits your point.

A true test would be to just search all 1v1 Freestyle Public games. Seeing as how less than 50% of your 1v1 Freestyle games are:

Standard
Escalating
Chained
Public

right

we are not going to examine what i dont play. I will tell you what guys. this task is way beyond your capabilities of completing. I will complete the task for you.

don't bother completing anything, just answer my 2 questions from the above post and i'll be happy.