Fruitcake wrote:King_Herpes wrote:Oh! Great, another whiny little girl that we all have to listen to and act like we care about their opinion. Yeah, I got a thought for you gdeangel, "Waahh, waahh"! It's just so terrible, make them stop, please make them stop. It's hurting the reputation of the site, "Waahh, waahh"! If you don't like it, who cares. That's exactly why we made a clan specifically for it. So players who stand neutral on the issue or stand for it can have a place under the sun where they won't be scrutinized or looked down upon. A group that will stick up for one another on the matter. Also so closed minded players who don't respect others as their competition(In the sense that you have to work around us to climb the scoreboard) would think twice about jumping on our backs. And yes it is a clan that is not competitive. One that is just for fun. In which there are other clans that take the same approach.
I firmly believe that it is none of your concern what other players do, so long as they are not cheating. Farming for points is clearly not against the rules solely because we are actually playing real people. Real people from all sides of the globe. A ? is just that. We don't know what they will bring to their game. They might be a great new face to the site that offers a hell of a struggle for us. Or they might just happen to deadbeat because they aren't happy with the site for one reason or another. That's all up in the air and each game I choose to farm is always different. Sometimes a ? pummels me in every way possible. Or two or three team up against me the whole game. I don't complain because if I lose that's what I get for playing a bunch of ?'s. They are a mystery as to how they are going to play or if they will play at all. And there are plenty of examples in my game history alone that shows that they do not always deadbeat....that is what makes them a question mark. They are unpredictable. And for that reason it is FUN!
Now honorable is a very vague word on this site because there are a multitude of nations with unique morals that coincide with an endless variety of definitions for the word. Which is exactly why you keep this to your damn self! Because otherwise you sound ignorant. Notice that their are players from different countries in the world that make up our clan. A shining example. That word that you chose to use (honorable) is all relative.
Further more, we are not hurting anybody because any player can do the same. If it's points they want and they think farming is really the easy answer. Then they should try it out and they'll quickly find out it's not all that easy whatsoever. When a player does this and his/her rank doesn't seem to change all that much this is where the respect evolves. That is when they will see that our rank was earned. And I will fart on anyone who disagrees.
Bottom line: We paid for our memberships so we get to choose how we want to play. And if we do not break any rules than we can keep playing....and even free-meiums can play this way if they so choose. Same concept. It's that freedom that makes this a fun and competitive game site. If you take that away from us you are hampering the ability for this site to grow. And I doubt that the owners want that. They are constantly looking for ways to make this site better and more lucrative. If you put a damper on the ways a player can or cannot play your only making that goal harder to reach.
FARM OR DIE!
Sincerely yours, King_Herpes
Some interesting attitudes deserved of a thoughtful response. I have attempted to argue your points without resorting to silly words or open hostility.
You said:
Oh! Great, another whiny little girl that we all have to listen to and act like we care about their opinion. Yeah, I got a thought for you gdeangel, "Waahh, waahh"! It's just so terrible, make them stop, please make them stop. It's hurting the reputation of the site, "Waahh, waahh"! If you don't like it, who cares. That's exactly why we made a clan specifically for it. So players who stand neutral on the issue or stand for it can have a place under the sun where they won't be scrutinized or looked down upon. A group that will stick up for one another on the matter. Also so closed minded players who don't respect others as their competition(In the sense that you have to work around us to climb the scoreboard) would think twice about jumping on our backs. And yes it is a clan that is not competitive. One that is just for fun. In which there are other clans that take the same approach.
Well working through the pretty poor attempt at obvious sarcasm, you don't actually seem to have answered your own point. To put forth the argument that the clan has been created so that the members
'can have a place under the sun' whatever that means, and won't be
'scrutinized or looked down upon', quite frankly does not hold water. Quite the opposite is the case. What this clan will do is actually draw attention to those players who indulge in such antics, not the other way round. It is a fair and noble thing for clan members to stick up for one another, and I have no argument with this. However, I repeat, this would only serve to exacerbate the situation; to say otherwise is foolish and unreal. You go on to say
Also so closed minded players who don't respect others as their competition(In the sense that you have to work around us to climb the scoreboard) would think twice about jumping on our backs I do not really understand what it is you are saying. If you mean other players, then it those players that do actually respect others as their competition, they just don't respect your kind of approach at bending the system, but that is your prerogative, why you feel the need to form a group for this reason is quite beyond me. Your statement about working around you to climb the scoreboard is somewhat arrogant in that it presupposes those players who eschew your style of points accumulation actually care where you exist on the board. In this, it is obvious that those players who actually are the best on the site (say the front page excluding your ilk) are already aware of your ethic, and have chosen to ignore it. The logical conclusion of this is you are gaining no real kudos or satisfaction from your position as those who would be the players one would truly want to be able to beat, and in turn earn the respect and kudos amongst, are those very players who actually look down their noses at you. So you are left with the dubious prize of being able to 'lord it' only amongst those who are not in full command of the facts. Now if this is what you want, then fair enough....but why form the clan as it makes no difference and the status quo remains.
You said:
Now honorable is a very vague word on this site because there are a multitude of nations with unique morals that coincide with an endless variety of definitions for the word. Which is exactly why you keep this to your damn self! Because otherwise you sound ignorant. Notice that their are players from different countries in the world that make up our clan. A shining example. That word that you chose to use (honorable) is all relative.
This is something of a red herring. 'Honourable' may mean different things to different nations, but to then try to apply it to a closed environment is akin to running two sets of rules at the same time. The 'given' and 'unsaid' rules on this site are pretty simple. This is not the UN or anything else; it is a bunch of people who play what is ultimately the same game amongst ultimately the same people. To try to say that a moral which dictates taking from the weak in a deliberate attempt at self aggrandisement could be taken as moral or honourable in any set of human circumstance is patently not true. Furthermore, if this was honourable, why then feel the need to create a closed environment where the few who do think like this can feel more secure (referring, once again, to your comment about support)
You said:
Further more, we are not hurting anybody because any player can do the same. If it's points they want and they think farming is really the easy answer. Then they should try it out and they'll quickly find out it's not all that easy whatsoever. When a player does this and his/her rank doesn't seem to change all that much this is where the respect evolves. That is when they will see that our rank was earned. And I will fart on anyone who disagrees.
Well ignoring the last remark, let is review the first part of this paragraph. To say you are not hurting anyone because any player can do the same has a huge flaw of logic as well you must know. Where does this argument end? Applying this perverse logic could end at the door of this.... that one can commit genocide because, actually, anyone can do it? However, moving away from that emotive example, the basic fact remains, you do not know if you are hurting anyone, it is arrogant of you to assume otherwise. It is no good you saying, let others try it and they will see how hard it is, as your argument has been proven incorrect in the past. To 'farm' as you euphemistically put it, is the easy option, you cannot argue otherwise. To garner points through the defeat of high ranked players is, and always will be, more difficult, this is a natural fact, to try to argue the contrary is to stand on shifting sands and try to convince the builder to lay the foundations there. I have to say, at this point, I find it staggering you would try to use the argument that beating someone who does not know how to play is harder than someone who has played say 1000 games and won far more than they have lost, relatively, leave me shaking my head in bewilderment.
You said:
Bottom line: We paid for our memberships so we get to choose how we want to play. And if we do not break any rules than we can keep playing....and even free-meiums can play this way if they so choose. Same concept. It's that freedom that makes this a fun and competitive game site. If you take that away from us you are hampering the ability for this site to grow. And I doubt that the owners want that. They are constantly looking for ways to make this site better and more lucrative. If you put a damper on the ways a player can or cannot play your only making that goal harder to reach.
Well at least you have got around to being honest. Of course you can choose how to play, that is your prerogative, and I would champion that argument against any who would say otherwise. However, this does not mean that I, in fact, think you are anything but weak and not worthy of even noticing when I look through those who I would really like to beat and those I would really like to be higher than on the scoreboard. The general majority would seem to concur with this.
However, I dispute your last and final argument that you do actually contribute positively to the site. This flies in the face of natural logic. Your ultimate aim is selfish (that of self promotion on the scoreboard), this means you cannot ultimately have the interests of the site in mind as the two objectives are quite diverse. If you were to take on, say 5 new players each, and teach them through team games etc whilst still earning your points, you could then perhaps use this argument as you would then be contributing to the positive experience of those players, the way you do conduct yourselves does not.
Many people take issue that the scoring system is imbalanced, and that a point loss cap for any 1 game should be more like 60 than 100, but this type of farming is the reason such a skewed point spread is apparently needed at the top ranks. And so the middle ranking folks pay the price for these farming shenanigans perhaps, because the site does not adjust to a more equitable payout for the hard work of winning a difficult 1v1, for example. 
say it isn't so...
