FYI: upcoming foundry revamp of Classic!

[jiminski]

Imagine how easy it would have been for Lack to pre-empt this copyright issue and change the Classic map before he was forced to...

Can you point to a link or any other source of information that shows he was forced to do this?

We all know very little about this. It's been less than a day since the maps were changed, and the upper management is probably still figuring things out. We aren't actually part of the company, we're its customers -- which means that we won't hear anything until the issue is settled.

Imagine you ran a department store and this many people came in demanding information as to why you have no batteries on the shelf or something.

I would at least try to lie to them to shut them up. Know what I'm saying?
I'm seriously wondering If the management even knows why they have no batteries... Not to judge them or anything cauze this has to suck for them.

heheh batteries? I would've gone for man-made sponges myself.

but you have a good point.. Dito is correct in that they can't tell us much but this is a service based businness. When the service is fundamentally affected in any industry, it is vital to the future success of the business that reasons and solutions are offered quickly.

[Ditocoaf]

Imagine how easy it would have been for Lack to pre-empt this copyright issue and change the Classic map before he was forced to...

Can you point to a link or any other source of information that shows he was forced to do this?

We all know very little about this. It's been less than a day since the maps were changed, and the upper management is probably still figuring things out. We aren't actually part of the company, we're its customers -- which means that we won't hear anything until the issue is settled.

Imagine you ran a department store and this many people came in demanding information as to why you have no batteries on the shelf or something.

I would at least try to lie to them to shut them up. Know what I'm saying?
I'm seriously wondering If the management even knows why they have no batteries... Not to judge them or anything cauze this has to suck for them.

That's just it-- I don't think they do know exactly what's going on, which is why they can't tell us yet. They're trying to figure out the situation still. This just started less than a day ago. They could be waiting on a reply from someone integral to the situation... in any case, things are still up in the air. From what they said, its the most likely situation.

It's as if the store was mysteriously ordered to take the batteries off the shelf, and they're still trying to figure out the specifics... What can they tell their customers?

[jiminski]

heheh batteries.. can we swap 'batteries' for 'bread and all dairy products'? 'Batteries' makes me chuckle and i forget where we are in things.

[Juan_Bottom]

It's not just that, but that is the core. I like examples they are easier to follow.

Now what if you ran an auto shop and you ran out of oil for oil changes. Let's say the "oil truck" never came. And oil changes are 60% of what you do, and you're the best in town....

If it were my shop, I wouldn't sit around trying to find out why the oil was never sent to me.... I'd go find some oil quick.

Translate it to the site; If Hasboro isn't telling them what to do, why not ignore them and find a third party who can tell you what to do? A lawyer or paralegal or whatever shouldn't need 3 days to figure out how to avoid legal action. It's just a frickin' picture.
Unless the problem is the gameplay.

Unless of course Lack doesn't have the funds to talk with a third party. But given the resent history of the site, I just don't think he has the interest...

[comic boy]

Imagine how easy it would have been for Lack to pre-empt this copyright issue and change the Classic map before he was forced to...

Can you point to a link or any other source of information that shows he was forced to do this?

Do you seriously imagine that this was done for fun !
We have vented our anger and now must rally around and make the best of things,endless whining will get us nowhere. We would all like the 'Classic' map to be as recognisable as possible but are dependent on circumstances, at some stage we will find out the parameters
we can work within and hopefully can design a good replacement.
ps but bring the old dice back

[jiminski]

It's not just that, but that is the core. I like examples they are easier to follow.

Now what if you ran an auto shop and you ran out of oil for oil changes. Let's say the "oil truck" never came. And oil changes are 60% of what you do, and you're the best in town....

If it were my shop, I wouldn't sit around trying to find out why the oil was never sent to me.... I'd go find some oil quick.

Translate it to the site; If Hasboro isn't telling them what to do, why not ignore them and find a third party who can tell you what to do? A lawyer or paralegal or whatever shouldn't need 3 days to figure out how to avoid legal action. It's just a frickin' picture.
Unless the problem is the gameplay.

Unless of course Lack doesn't have the funds to talk with a third party. But given the resent history of the site, I just don't think he has the interest...

i doubt it is so simple mate... Law is subjective. The site has to get to the point where it can not realistically be perceived to in violation of Hasbro copyright. That point is not set in stone and a touch dependant upon the whim of the adjudicator.

That's why the site will have to balance our desire to play on our favourite map with the need not to be shut down.

[Juan_Bottom]

Certainly, I used to work with lawyers on a daily basis (escrow). They can be real bastards. But both sides have rules to follow. If it were me, and I really HATE to play "owner" I would have my lawyer throw a 1041civil(A?) at Hasboro. That is, If Hasboro only sent a "cease or be sued" letter.
I don't know how long it takes for a response, but most people don't ignore lawyers. It's just some none-aggressive paperwork saying that your lawyer needs to know the full allegation. We saw those constantly during divorces.

Do they have that option in Canada? I do realize that would be taking this waaay serious, but Lack must be because those maps are gone... and yet Twill doesn't even seem to be sure why.

[OliverFA]

why doesn't lack just sell the site to hasbro?

And why is not Hasbro interested in buying it?

Honestly, I think that option would benefit everybody. Owners would be able to continue running the site with the backup of Hasbro. Hasbro would have an online community of 20,000+ people playing their game, players would not have to stop playing classic, but would also benefit from the new partnership between CC and Hasbro. Is a win-win situation!

Sure, someone can say that Hasbro can hire a legion of programmers and do a much better site from the technical point of view. But there is no way they can create the community, no matter how much money they invest. This site has a lot of value based on its community.

[Juan_Bottom]

why doesn't lack just sell the site to hasbro?

And why is not Hasbro interested in buying it?

Honestly, I think that option would benefit everybody. Owners would be able to continue running the site with the backup of Hasbro. Hasbro would have an online community of 20,000+ people playing their game, players would not have to stop playing classic, but would also benefit from the new partnership between CC and Hasbro. Is a win-win situation!

Sure, someone can say that Hasbro can hire a legion of programmers and do a much better site from the technical point of view. But there is no way they can create the community, no matter how much money they invest. This site has a lot of value based on its community.

I would leave. Plus, I doubt Hasboro(don't wanna offend them by using their name) would want to buy a site that has only 1 map to it's name.

[KoE_Sirius]

i look forward to seeing it all unfold. and we must remember, hasbro does not "own" the geography of the world. if they did, world 2.1 would be gone, too... CC will bounce back
from this!! hell, maybe CC will even grow a set and put the dice back up, since there is
NO WAY hasbro owns the dice or the concept of dice.-0

Maybe its like medication.You can pattern it for several years,but then you must let other produce it.
Wishful thinking http://homepage.ntlworld.com/dice-play/History.htm

[strike wolf]

I would agree with the people who hate this new version of the map. Is there any other way we could change it that may look better? We could have some of the mapmakers design various versions of it and vote on it in the map forum or something.

[Ditocoaf]

It's not just that, but that is the core. I like examples they are easier to follow.

Now what if you ran an auto shop and you ran out of oil for oil changes. Let's say the "oil truck" never came. And oil changes are 60% of what you do, and you're the best in town....

If it were my shop, I wouldn't sit around trying to find out why the oil was never sent to me.... I'd go find some oil quick.

Translate it to the site; If Hasboro isn't telling them what to do, why not ignore them and find a third party who can tell you what to do? A lawyer or paralegal or whatever shouldn't need 3 days to figure out how to avoid legal action. It's just a frickin' picture.
Unless the problem is the gameplay.

Unless of course Lack doesn't have the funds to talk with a third party. But given the resent history of the site, I just don't think he has the interest...

Maybe (and this is all speculation, because we have no information) those are all things lack is doing, or considering. But all of those things would take time. And as of now, it's not quite a day since the map was changed. So unless there's a 24-hour insta-serve lawyer buffet, then we'll have to wait a bit for lack to learn enough to tell us.

I'm pretty sure they're doing things... but they'll have to do quite a bit, and it might even be a few days, before they can talk to the general public about the situation. Because this isn't a grocery store or an auto shop, and this isn't an issue of running out of stock. We don't even know what the issue is. So all this is idle speculation. Keep in mind that this just happened; it just feels like a long time.

[Juan_Bottom]

But all of those things would take time.

Which is sorta my point. Specutivly(because no information is being shared, implying that there is none), it's being wasted.

And as of now, it's not quite a day since the map was changed.

Wait, what? Hasn't it been like two days?

So unless there's a 24-hour insta-serve lawyer buffet, then we'll have to wait a bit for lack to learn enough to tell us.

Of course there is. You just have to pay them... Honest, I'm not even sure a lawyer is needed to answer for the copyright issue though; Because certainly Lack already has a lawyer anyway. I would wager the problem is communication from Hasboro. And if that's the case then who knows when they'll give up more info?

I'm pretty sure they're doing things... but they'll have to do quite a bit, and it might even be a few days, before they can talk to the general public about the situation.

Absolutly. And I doubt this is a simple matter to resolve. All I'm saying is that there have to be options that an aggressive person could persue.

Because this isn't a grocery store or an auto shop, and this isn't an issue of running out of stock. We don't even know what the issue is.

It's the same difference. The map is gone and everyone wants answers.

So all this is idle speculation. Keep in mind that this just happened; it just feels like a long time.

Yeah, we're all just spit-ballin' here. I really wish there were more updates so that we did know that they are doing something. But right now, it seems more like they are just waiting for a response from Hasboro. All I'm saying is that they could prolly find/force those answers elsewhere too.

[Ditocoaf]

All I'm saying is that there's no use saying "they should be doing something," because we don't know they aren't. They probably are doing things. But they don't need to keep the general public up to date on their actions, on an issue as tentative as this one. We're not shareholders, just customers.

And the new map went up about... 24 hours ago, actually. Just look at the dates for the first posts about it.

[wacicha]

Wow I really like this new classic map. At first i did not. But that was only because I hate change.

but it really lets you work with the map now. I hope they keep this and the revamp!!!!!

[jiminski]

... But they don't need to keep the general public up to date on their actions, on an issue as tentative as this one. We're not shareholders, just customers...

you are correct to a point Dito; they are under no legal obligation to inform us of anything at all!

heh but if they, for example, informed us of nothing and simply left the Molecule Diagram up as Classic for the next year, then they would lose a lot of businness.

Keeping us informed and giving us what we want is like any action which seeks to improve customer relations. No businness can hope to succeed if it changes its core businness to the detriment of its customer base and does not seek to change it or placate the customer.

Now i am not saying that is what is happening, it is fairly obvious that the site is working hard to sort this out as best it can. However to say that they do not have to tell us anything is a little shaky.

Regarding the sites awareness of copyright implications; I guarantee this has been researched previously, this is not something which has suddenly sprung up in the last 24, 48 or even 72 days let alone hours.

[Juan_Bottom]

All I'm saying is that there's no use saying "they should be doing something," because we don't know they aren't.

What we do know is that Twill told the foundry this morning that he still doesn't know what the guidelines are going to be to creating the new maps. So we probably know what they know as far as that goes...

They probably are doing things. But they don't need to keep the general public up to date on their actions, on an issue as tentative as this one.

I'm not talking telling us what's going on legally or anything. You know what I mean... People I've never hear of are coming out of the woodwork on this. Everyone wants answers and people are(threatening at least) leaving.

We're not shareholders, just customers.

We own the site. "The customer is always right."

And the new map went up about... 24 hours ago, actually. Just look at the dates for the first posts about it.

WTF have I been playing on? For real it's only been 24 hours? My insomnia is really bad...

I'm not saying that nothing is going on behind the scenes, I'm saying that a lot of time is going buy without any answers being doled out... all we've heard is "we're working on it." [which is all we ever hear]
And again, nothing but love to the people who are handling it, it's a tough spot to be in. I'm only really critisizing the response to the consumers. I think that they should be trying harder to present to us some actual answers.

Wow I really like this new classic map. At first i did not. But that was only because I hate change.

but it really lets you work with the map now. I hope they keep this and the revamp!!!!!

Honest? Me too....
It's weird to admit, but I really do like this version!

[Ditocoaf]

Yes, they'll have to tell us something at some point. But yes, it's only been 24¾ hours. And just because twill said he doesn't know the exact restrictions on the map, doesn't mean they aren't doing much. I would think that that specific list will be the end result of a lot of careful thought and discussion.

[mpjh]

Thank you Twill Jr.

[PepperJack]

I'm pretty sure we're at 49 hours of the Classic hostage situation. Personally, I'm feeling Stockholmy.

[Juan_Bottom]

I'm pretty sure we're at 49 hours of the Classic hostage situation. Personally, I'm feeling Stockholmy.

Yes, 49hrs
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[samuelc812]

The new classic will not be of the world

[Frop]

I'm pretty sure we're at 49 hours of the Classic hostage situation. Personally, I'm feeling Stockholmy.

I'm not feeling Swedish just yet, I still want to kick them in the nuts. These tie wraps are making it near impossible though.

[Juan_Bottom]

I have a genuine suggestion that will sound childish and stupid.


Could we all go and spam the crap out of Hasboro's game site? Maybe even an E-mail campaign? Not to save the map but to save the earth concept?

[Ditocoaf]

Thank you Twill Jr.

Shut up, please. You seem to be stuck in this high school-esque rebellious phase, where those in charge can do no right. You've got this juvinile "us vs them" attitude. The world is a lot more complex than that.

I've called out bad mod decisions on plenty of occasions, and I'm usually among the first to point out twill's mistakes. But I really don't give a shit whether the person who's making a mistake is a mod or a member.