b.k. barunt wrote:King_Herpes wrote:Well if you word things cleverly enough, you'd be surprised what you can get away with. Has little to do with said favoritism. I'm just more likable than you and I'm not even trying to fit in, thus I get reported less. You seem to have a jibe habit of categorizing people, sticking labels on their foreheads, basing their esteem solely upon a few words read and a personal bias. That's a very left brained thing to do. Mind you I've been banned before for similar posts but never would I hold that up to my heart like I just won an Oscar. My day wouldn't skip a beat if I were to get dishonorably discharged from this place. Your entire existence seems to be teetering on that very possibility, hence the "Hey guys, over here look at me! I'm about to get banned" thread. Why pop your brain cells straining socially inept messages out to the community? Who cares if this place is run by slugs who toss out preferential mulligans to the more enamored of posters? f*ck 'em.
So you believe that your ability to flame with impunity is based on cleverness with words and not from your currying favor? Is this the same guy who just tried to flame billynomates on POA and got flayed soundly? And i won't even mention what happened when you tried to flame Dancing Mustard, heh heh, good times. "Cleverness with words" - like when you were crowing about your sexual prowess, having us know that you actually made a woman fart and twitch at the same time? Bravo! I applaud your cleverness! Now go collect your attaboys and eat some pancakes or something. This thread, as much as your sponsor would like us to believe, is not about "hey lookit me", but "hey lookit what can also happen to you". Some are evidently too slow witted to pick that up. Go figure.
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Actually, I hate to say it, but this was indeed another example of someone trying to help you out. Ive said the same thing multiple times, though less harshly, and certainly less directly. For me its easy to argue with you bk, without resorting to flaming, for the simple fact that I actually respect you. I have respect, because you are a vet, because you fight for what you think is right, and because I think anyone with passion deserves respect. For this reason, I see no reason to call you names, or flame you; only counter the parts of your posts that I disagree with, and at times, point out that the entire body of them do appear to be negative.
You miss this time and time again. You see favoritism, when someone doesnt get banned for a contradictory argument that doesnt include direct personal attacks, and instead are nothing but attacks of the argument itself. In the past, you often attack the person, including myself, and in the process have missed the discussion, and the point of the discussion entirely.
An arguement is not a personal mudslinging contest. Flaming is, but thats for flame wars, which is no longer here. Whats available here, is a forum to discuss, argue, and passionately argue a great number of things, including but not limited to, what can be said, who can say what, etc.
As far as Herpes post here, and the points you counter, you are countering points that he has already conceded. He did not accidentally get banned. He made the posts full well knowing he would. He did not question the bans. He did not argue favoritism, he simply stated, that he chose to flame, and simply does not care about the consequences. He certainly isnt defending his right to post them.
Honestly, I dont see how you are missing this. On a quick read through, it was immediately obvious. More importantly, it was obvious that this was the case, without him even saying it directly. His posts make it obvious. It is entirely possible that occasionally he is just hoping to get away with the occasional flame and slip through, but that is not to say that he doesnt fully understand the guidelines, and know every single time when hes walking the tightrope.
More importantly, its refreshing to see someone take responsibility for their actions, and not just go blaming everyone else.
Others complain about their bans, complain about those who baited them into them, and complain that others should be banned too, all while complaining that bans should not be handed out in the first place. This is all painfully obvious to anyone who sits back, and un-emotionally reads the actual forums.
There are countless posts in your threads hinting to these truths, and many many posters all in their different ways explaining them. Herpes here, has really just spelled it out as directly as possible, but instead of seeing it, you only look to argue the point, instead of seeing it for what it is, and miss all of the subtleties of the actual message, which is the message.
You did the same in the thread you got banned for flaming me. You barely read what I wrote, and simply reacted to the fact that I was disagreeing, and never realized I was never once attacking you personally. I said it many times, but you still miss it.
You made a thread, I disagreed, and tried to argue the points you were making, individually, and completely, without resorting to insults, or character assasinations, but you didnt read them, and instead misunderstood, which resulted in personal attack after personal attack.
Had you simply just disagreed with me, and pointed out the flaws in my argument, of which Im sure there were enough, there would have been no ban. If there was no mention of my panties, and only the mention of where my logic was flawed, there would have been no ban. The fact that you on multiple occasions now have accused me of calling you things that I have not, have really demonstrated that you simply arent reading what is written, and its intent.
Herpes is trying to help you out. He, like most of us understands the guidelines, and chooses to follow them most of the time. I try to follow them all of the time. I too do not believe in a forum of everyone agreeing with everyone, because that is not a forum. I too enjoy the conflict of differing opinions, because that is a discussion.
So, once again, as many have, including herpes here, in his own unique way, as usual... I offer advice. Argue what you want. Post what you want. Argue the countless posts that people make that have flaws. Point out their flaws, the faulty logic, and sometimes just the pure fiction that they represent.
But dont attack the poster, atack the post. By all means release whatever passion you have, but use words within the guidelines, which is no flaming, which is essentially personal attacks of an agrevated nature. Further, dont assume favoritism, or that the mods are out to get you, or anything like that. The mods are all good people. They always try to be evenhanded, but they are also human. The more you push their buttons, the more they will look for reasons to ban you.
Now if you truly disagree with a policy, or an action, of course you can post it, but you cant attack the character of the people to do it. That is where you have run into trouble. I admit, it is easier to make an argument that way, but we all know you have more than enough intelligence, and more than enough life experience to come up with some very interesting discussions, and more importantly, original ideas outside of the mainstream that will both be challenging, and enlightening, and at the very least entertaining.
Now....I realize this is hardly a fun way to look at things, and it really is far too professional an attitude for a little gaming site where people click some intensity cubes to knock off armies on some different maps... however, if used correctly, they can be an absolute blast, an educational experience, and even a way to release some steam, if that is your goal....not to mention be an outlet for the enjoyment of typing itself...which..some posters seem to need quite a bit of.
Again, If you dont read this, and see the actual message, your initial reaction might be to come up with the many, many insults that a post like this opens myself up to...but by now, you must realize, that the insults mean nothing to me, and that in the end they may even get you banned....so... well...have fun, and take the advice for what its worth.
