owenshooter

[nagerous]

It says if you choose to make posts, it doesn't say if you choose to make a post... hence that implies a repeat action is more likely to get you a ban. T-o-m is a banned user and he had his own interview, so the rulebook appears to have been recently thrown out on that one anyway. Also, why is brett being targetted? He posted in the bandits usergroup, which is private and hence who or what is posted there is our personal business. It was my decision to make that post of owen's public knowledge so if anyone is to be punished for posting for a banned user it should be me... though I haven't even received a warning.

[hwhrhett]

It says if you choose to make posts, it doesn't say if you choose to make a post... hence that implies a repeat action is more likely to get you a ban. T-o-m is a banned user and he had his own interview, so the rulebook appears to have been recently thrown out on that one anyway. Also, why is brett being targetted? He posted in the bandits usergroup, which is private and hence who or what is posted there is our personal business. It was my decision to make that post of owen's public knowledge so if anyone is to be punished for posting for a banned user it should be me... though I haven't even received a warning.

i believe they got special permission from optimus in order to do that interview didnt they?

and from brett's original post, it did indeed look like owen was posting under brett's account, since it was all in first person, and brett did not state that it was a copy of a post or email. right?

but now everybody knows that this is not the case, so it doesnt really matter anymore...

[targetman377]

the fact of the matter he is HE GOT BUSTED lets now all MOVE on and stop knit picking.

[nagerous]

It says if you choose to make posts, it doesn't say if you choose to make a post... hence that implies a repeat action is more likely to get you a ban. T-o-m is a banned user and he had his own interview, so the rulebook appears to have been recently thrown out on that one anyway. Also, why is brett being targetted? He posted in the bandits usergroup, which is private and hence who or what is posted there is our personal business. It was my decision to make that post of owen's public knowledge so if anyone is to be punished for posting for a banned user it should be me... though I haven't even received a warning.

i believe they got special permission from optimus in order to do that interview didnt they?

and from brett's original post, it did indeed look like owen was posting under brett's account, since it was all in first person, and brett did not state that it was a copy of a post or email. right?

but now everybody knows that this is not the case, so it doesnt really matter anymore...

Yeah they did for that interview. I did post like straight away after scott-land questioned it that brett was quoting an email from owenshooter and this was clear in Brett's previous post in the BpB forum but you are correct that we are getting sidetracked here from the crux of the issue, which is this accusation of owen and his spurious reports. It would be nice if some active examples of these would be highlighted, all I know is owen reported some posts by mibi where he is referred to as a jackass and a doo doo brown and these were considered not flaming and some posts by mpjh where mpjh was clearly stepping out of his boundaries as a moderator and obviously baiting owen. If better examples can be demonstrated where owen reported dodgy posts, I think the CC public deserve to see these as that the moment it seems like a pretty poor reason to give a guy a 6 month ban.

[nagerous]

the fact of the matter he is HE GOT BUSTED lets now all MOVE on and stop knit picking.

What the hell are you talking about? Owenshooter never made any multis, he did not get busted..

[targetman377]

the fact of the matter he is HE GOT BUSTED lets now all MOVE on and stop knit picking.

What the hell are you talking about? Owenshooter never made any multis, he did not get busted..

when i used "busted" i meant he finale got the book thrown at him after all it was just on borrowed time with all the baiting nonsense reporting he did and trolling!

[redhawk92]

well my ban just ran out and know he is on one lol

[Skittles!]

the fact of the matter he is HE GOT BUSTED lets now all MOVE on and stop knit picking.

What the hell are you talking about? Owenshooter never made any multis, he did not get busted..

when i used "busted" i meant he finale got the book thrown at him after all it was just on borrowed time with all the baiting nonsense reporting he did and trolling!

Yes, but being Busted does not mean that.

[targetman377]

the fact of the matter he is HE GOT BUSTED lets now all MOVE on and stop knit picking.

What the hell are you talking about? Owenshooter never made any multis, he did not get busted..

when i used "busted" i meant he finale got the book thrown at him after all it was just on borrowed time with all the baiting nonsense reporting he did and trolling!

Yes, but being Busted does not mean that.

see this is funny you guys all knit pick and when the mods do it you say its unfair but when you do it its ok? i think that is the DEFINITION OF A DOUBLE STANDER

[the.killing.44]

OMNOMNOMNOM

What the hell are you talking about? Owenshooter never made any multis, he did not get busted..

OMNOMNOMNOM

Yes, but being Busted does not mean that.

OMNOMNOMNOM

No, it's not a double standard.

[jbrettlip]

the fact of the matter he is HE GOT BUSTED lets now all MOVE on and stop knit picking.

What the hell are you talking about? Owenshooter never made any multis, he did not get busted..

when i used "busted" i meant he finale got the book thrown at him after all it was just on borrowed time with all the baiting nonsense reporting he did and trolling!

Yes, but being Busted does not mean that.

see this is funny you guys all knit pick and when the mods do it you say its unfair but when you do it its ok? i think that is the DEFINITION OF A DOUBLE STANDER

I never knew what a "double stander" was until now. Thanks, I think.

[HapSmo19]

So when is the Free Owen movement starting? I want in.

Didn't Lincoln already do that?

[notyou2]

Idi Admin strikes again.

[neanderpaul14]

So when is the Free Owen movement starting? I want in.

Didn't Lincoln already do that?

LMAO........If Owen was here he'd report you for being a racist.

[targetman377]

So when is the Free Owen movement starting? I want in.

Didn't Lincoln already do that?

LMAO........If Owen was here he'd report you for being a racist.

and you wonder why he was given a 6 month ban on the forms

[targetman377]

OMNOMNOMNOM

Yes, but being Busted does not mean that.

OMNOMNOMNOM

No, it's not a double standard.

may i ask then how it is not?

[Skittles!]

So when is the Free Owen movement starting? I want in.

Didn't Lincoln already do that?

LMAO........If Owen was here he'd report you for being a racist.

That's because Hap is a bigot?

[HapSmo19]

Isn't it bigoted of you to go around calling everyone a bigot for being different from you?

[Army of GOD]

Isn't everyone a bigot in their own unique way?

[Skittles!]

Isn't it bigoted of you to go around calling everyone a bigot for being different from you?

Well, yeah, Owen was a sucker for "ahh racism there, there, there!" But you are also a bigot.

[Juan_Bottom]

Isn't it bigoted of you to go around calling everyone a bigot for being different from you?

Lets not get too off track here. Remember what we are doing wit this thread.

First i just want to say to Andy_D, NS, OP and any other MODS with added responsibility that I respect your positions. Due to your jobs you have inherited a camp, and it's one that you must defend. I'm sure that you do really believe in what you are doing, so I am not trying to call anyone stupid for having a different opinion than me.

He received the ban do to a build up of several reasons which were explained in the ban message he received upon receipt of the ban.

Were these the things that jbrettlip posted or was something missing?

However, in the interest of confidentiality

What about in the interests of the community? Secrets do not breed trust. Plus the community wants a change.

Under our retooled escalating punishments policy

Thank-you for that BTW.

I saw flames from many people including mibi towards owen and he has every right to use the report post feature...

To the mods: is this true? Did other people get warnings from owen's reports?

Yeah, see, I actually think Owen's funny most of the time, except when he's accusing me of being a racist for whatever erroneous, silly reason.

I like owen too. I see where everyone is coming from saying that he is annoying, but I think those people just don't get him. He's a bit out of the norm. He can be very helpful in GD too, I have seen it.

The kinds of things that can get you a long ban are repeated violations of the Community Guidelines. They are available to everybody to read.

What isn't available is the actual reason(s) that owen got banned.
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You mean the same guidelines that are creatively interpreted and applied unequally and randomly?

We keep saying this and the big mods wont listen to us.

The administrators made a decision that reasons for personal forum punishments would not be made public by them.
It's not going to change. This is a private site, not a matter of public records and proceedings.

NS what you are literally saying here is that the community doesn't matter to you. That we don't have a say.

What was the actual definite reason that you guys came up with the idea that punishments and the reasons for them should not be made public? Instead of saying something like "privacy" for example, please go more in detail. Any mod?

You have the freedom to post that reason yourself once any ban you receive ends.

Hey I get why you say this. But I still don't think that your current system is fair to the governed.

There is no way to pick and choose which reports to investigate: each one has to be opened to see why they were made.

That is correct to do, yo.

You guys are missing the point. Its not a matter of right or wrong, CC can do whatever the f*ck it wants. My point is that the way they are currently enforcing and monitoring the forums has had real detrimental consequences to the forums.

EXACT-OH-MUNDO

i would say that if you say owen shooter any one who cant see that he was a troll/ baiter (I am not saying here that he was not baited but) that does not make my point invalid. also i think that all cases like this should be private.

I just have to say this to you target. And I am not picking on you, ok? BUT I consider what you are doing to be trolling/baiting. You continue to post two liners without much substance or thought provocation. Now, DO YOU consider what you are doing to be baiting? I doubt it.... but If I were a mod and gave you a vacation would you think that it was fair? And remember that there would be no one to stick up for you until after you came back. Because CC wouldn't tell anyone.
Could this be what happened to owen???

@ Mojo, the forums have taken a dive if you ask me. Once Wicked and Twill left, things changed. Weather you liked either of those 2 they ruled with an iron fist, and it was usually pretty equal to all. Now I am not so sure who is ruling with any fist or if they are equal.

You're only saying that cause Wicked loved you and never did anything to you. Both of them can and did play favorites. Both of them absolutely did do things with their iron fist just because they could, not because they required an iron fist. There's a huge difference.

Well said...
I don't want to betray anyone's trust here, but most of us are forum and chat regulars. So we all know some CC secrets. And the people who let me in on this are actually banned now. Twill knew about some multis of banned users and gave them permission to exist so long as they did not disrupt his site. I would call that favoritism. Nothing the community can do about that stuff though I guess.
sigh.

You're assuming that the reported posts were actually breaking the rules (hence the word "spurious").

Well then can we see the reports???? No? Then we will have to assume.... >=I
Nag is saying that warnings were issued based on owen's reports.

NightStrike. Those spurious complaints owen filed had warnings issued in re of them.
Don't sound very spurious.

4 really NS?

thats life, it happens , those with sense realise this in the real world and pick their battles accordingly.

True that. I can't say that I am surprised about owen. I just think that overall the CC admins are unfair and biased. And I am not sure that they are being fair to owen here.

@ Mojo, the forums have taken a dive if you ask me. Once Wicked and Twill left, things changed. Weather you liked either of those 2 they ruled with an iron fist, and it was usually pretty equal to all. Now I am not so sure who is ruling with any fist or if they are equal.

Good to hear you say that, as you have been around cc longer than myself. The real shame in it all is that the mods don't care even the slightest bit that this has happened. I don't think I have come across a single one of them that knows how to properly handle themselves or their responsibilities. They make even Barack Obama look competent at governing.

I wouldn't mind seeing this addressed by a mod either, since it is right in front of you, and we know that you guys are in here.

all I know is owen reported some posts by mibi where he is referred to as a jackass and a doo doo brown and these were considered not flaming and some posts by mpjh where mpjh was clearly stepping out of his boundaries as a moderator and obviously baiting owen. If better examples can be demonstrated where owen reported dodgy posts, I think the CC public deserve to see these as that the moment it seems like a pretty poor reason to give a guy a 6 month ban.

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The administrators made a decision that reasons for personal forum punishments would not be made public by them.

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However, in the interest of confidentiality

= MODS protect their own???
Because you make nothing public, we don't know if those MODS even received a verbal warning. Or what happened with anything. Did they flame owen? Did owen get banned for reporting them?
I don't really know mibi but I like mpjh and I don't really think that he is a troll either. But these guys should come forward here.

[thegreekdog]

i was banned for spurious reports? where is this in the guidelines? and the only posts i have reported have been of people openly flaming me within the forums (mibi, scott-land, khazalid, codeblue)... i did nothing wrong, and have not broken any forum guidelines by reporting these offending posts. the fact that King A responded to these reported posts is proof that they are not spurios. this is what i received from andy: "Ahoy Owenshooter, It seems recently you've engaged in numerous spurious reported posts, in addition to continued trolling, baiting, beatin' a dead horse, and requiring our volunteers to spend a disproportionate time responding to exclusively your needs. Because of all the above mentioned, Per the Minor Infractions, as outlined in the Community Guidelines, since you've previously received a 1 Month Forum Vacation, this next level is a 6 Month Forum Vacation. If things continue at a future date, you may unfortunately find yourself off gaming at Conquer Club. I know you've got good inside of you, too often you let your trolling take over and ruin it though" how are reported posts spurious if the offender is given a warning? this needs to be reviewed.-0

this is pretty messed, I saw flames from many people including mibi towards owen and he has every right to use the report post feature... I'll add more later but I'm only going to be on the computer 5 more minutes this evening.

Juan, see bolded above. This is what owenshooter was banned for. Admittedly, the moderators did not specifically mention these things in public, but, well, that's the list.

[Juan_Bottom]

By the way, the paying clientele doesn't pay to participate on this forum, so public notifications of actions taken regarding forum discipline is not "deserved".

Wait, does it actually say this somewhere?
Also, this can't be true. You are saying lack maintains these forums at his own cost just because? I can't believe that this site would make more greenbacks without a place to communicate outside of the game chat. I mean...if this is the case then I don't get WTF lack does then... he gets you guys to mod, cartographers make all the maps and codes for him.... does he just sit around at his sudoku sight all the time? This is out of touch.

Juan, see bolded above. This is what owenshooter was banned for. Admittedly, the moderators did not specifically mention these things in public, but, well, that's the list.

How do we know? How do we even know that the mods acted in good judgment? It seems that the accusation is that the mods banned him after he reported them. This is serious. Besides, this could be a catalyst for finally changing the rules. The rules that we (the community) are not allowed to help make or change apparently....

[the.killing.44]

Excellent post, Juan.

In light of your questions about mpjh, both owen and myself submitted e-tickets about his activity in the forums, and were told that they were taking our complaints into account and that anything that would happen would be internal. I don't totally mind the fact that reprimanding someone with a position on the site would happen in private, but the response we received + some of the reasons for owen's ban = contradictions.

[thegreekdog]

How do we know? How do we even know that the mods acted in good judgment? It seems that the accusation is that the mods banned him after he reported them. This is serious. Besides, this could be a catalyst for finally changing the rules. The rules that we (the community) are not allowed to help make or change apparently....

As I understand the post I originally quoted, it was Andy's message to owenshooter regarding why he was being banned from the fora for 6 months (namely that owenshooter issued spurious reports, trolled, baited, etc.). I don't know that the mods acted in good judgment. I don't think anyone knows if the mods act in good judgment except the mods. I don't think there's any way to change that. In any event, I'm just reporting here; frankly, I don't think there should be any rules on the fora, but that's neither here nor there.