Are you not satisfied..

[BigBallinStalin]

with the CC livin?

Lately--and perhaps for a long time--there seems to be much dissatisfaction with the rewards and punishment system of CC. As Sun Tzu has clearly taught us, reward and punishment must be properly administered; otherwise, there will much dissatisfaction within the ranks. But time and time again, the complaints of many have been ignored, and we have yet to see any true change--just the kind of change that Obama has brought (OH!). So I got to thinking and quickly realized as I snapped my fingers that an effective way to get what you want is to protest. Now, of course, one form of protest is by not buying premium, but if you already did, then you gotta wait awhile, don't ya? That and you miss out on all those fun CC games that you love to hate.

So, how's this:

1) An effective form of protest for the unsatisfied would be to crank up the mod's workload in the C&A forum. Just post somewhat spurious claims and keep it coming. If the demands aren't met then the gears will keep churning out more rubbish.

What demands? What needs fixing? That multi buyback issue was a slap in the face to many as well as to the unknowing new guys. But we know how this site works; it's first and biggest interest is money, their CC-elite self-protection is second, and finally the CC-community can go f!ck themselves. There's also the issue of mod favouritism, which highly skews any form of reasonable punishment. Many have been punished for poor reasons and have also received very harsh punishment for such minor actions.

So in order to get their attention, one has to start breaking the system. When other avenues of negotiation have been cut, then the only possible and reasonable choice is protest. Now's the time to get off your asses and think about ways in order to have your demands met. If you'd not like to post here, then feel free to PM, but for those of you who are very paranoid, then please send an email to GlobalLiberationArmy1@gmail.com.

[Woodruff]

1) An effective form of protest for the unsatisfied would be to crank up the mod's workload in the C&A forum. Just post somewhat spurious claims and keep it coming. If the demands aren't met then the gears will keep churning out more rubbish.

I don't think it would be particular effective, except that it WOULD "effectively" remove the dissatisfied from the ranks. Why do I say that? Multiple spurious claims will undoubtedly result in just such an action.

[AndyDufresne]

with the CC livin?

Lately--and perhaps for a long time--there seems to be much dissatisfaction with the rewards and punishment system of CC.

I think to characterize any dissatisfaction as much is an exaggeratory statement at best.

As Sun Tzu has clearly taught us, reward and punishment must be properly administered; otherwise, there will much dissatisfaction within the ranks. But time and time again, the complaints of many have been ignored, and we have yet to see any true change--just the kind of change that Obama has brought (OH!). So I got to thinking and quickly realized as I snapped my fingers that an effective way to get what you want is to protest. Now, of course, one form of protest is by not buying premium, but if you already did, then you gotta wait awhile, don't ya? That and you miss out on all those fun CC games that you love to hate.

So, how's this:

1) An effective form of protest for the unsatisfied would be to crank up the mod's workload in the C&A forum. Just post somewhat spurious claims and keep it coming. If the demands aren't met then the gears will keep churning out more rubbish.

What demands? What needs fixing? That multi buyback issue was a slap in the face to many as well as to the unknowing new guys. But we know how this site works; it's first and biggest interest is money, their CC-elite self-protection is second, and finally the CC-community can go f!ck themselves. There's also the issue of mod favouritism, which highly skews any form of reasonable punishment. Many have been punished for poor reasons and have also received very harsh punishment for such minor actions.

So in order to get their attention, one has to start breaking the system. When other avenues of negotiation have been cut, then the only possible and reasonable choice is protest. Now's the time to get off your asses and think about ways in order to have your demands met. If you'd not like to post here, then feel free to PM, but for those of you who are very paranoid, then please send an email to GlobalLiberationArmy1@gmail.com.

While I appreciate your sentiment (and I think general concern for Conquer Club), I think you are viewing things strictly from one point of view. Of course CC has issues (what doesn't? My shoes have issues, holes.), and I'm all for balanced discussion about how best to fix/alter/adapt those issues that individuals have. So I'd rather see the community take initiative and open a legitimate balanced discussion, and then we can attempt to work things out. Who doesn't love a nice polite discourse? It's like bananas in my belly.


--Andy

[BigBallinStalin]

I'd like to see that Andy, but from reading past threads where certain individuals expressed their dislikes and offered suggestions, none of you mods have yet to really address anything.

Thanks for the words though.

[AndyDufresne]

I suppose it depends on how discourse and suggestions are talked about. Few people are going to be responsive to suggestions when they are veiled flames or trolls (in situation in life.

"Excuse me, this banana bread tastes like you wiped it on your rump, you might as well cease to be a baker. Thanks for nothing booger."

However, honest discussion with the actual aim of alleviating the issue, instead of just pointing out the flaws, can lead to resolution. "This banana bread has gone bad. Can I exchange it for a fresh one?"


--Andy

[AAFitz]

Well, I think what we all need to remember, and by we, I mean those who post in the forums...is that we are a small representative of the actual CC community. Certainly representative of it, but not necessarily directly so.

Further, people will typically post disatisfaction, much more often, than satisfaction...most simply will never feel the need to say, "Lack, mods, CC community, thanks for the great times you provide here. I love all the work you do to make CC a fun gaming environment."

Some post just this, and I am one of them...but most simply are a part of that great CC gaming environment, and are hard at work, making the site fun.

Now, Im not at all suggesting that complaints should be heard, and many taken seriously(the ones that are actually serious, but you can never guage the actual environment, and deduce from the posts the satisfaction level of CC correctly. Certainly if you count the number of actual players that have complaints, and compare it to the number of players that seem overwhelmingly content... I think that number will be so typically dwarfed, as to almost be embarrassing to anyone who says CC is going down the tubes.

Since Ive come here, weve had many new maps, new options, and even new communities from time to time. The site has only gotten better. Different with different dynamics for sure....some arguably less fun, but also arguably better for the majority. The point is, CC will continue to grow...those of us who love it, will continue to support it...and just because some keep posting that they think it is no longer fun...well..you are entitled not to have fun, and to even think its not fun....but you wont stop the massive majority from loving the place and having fun.

You can choose to ignore that we are, and assume we are all discontented as you are....but you may want to do a little more research than just reading the "CC sucks posts"...because that is simply not actual information to base such a theory on.

I more recommend you just have fun the site the way everyone else does. And if you have some need to go off on someone or whatever it is you need, find another venue for it. I imagine church would be more fun if we could play frisbee during mass, but that doesnt mean it should be adopted either.

In any case...for those silent lovers of CC, carry on enjoying your games...for those of you convinced in your haze of negativity that CC is in some way, or will ever be in any way less than it was...well... dont delude yourselves too much.

[BigBallinStalin]

AAFitz, you've brought up some very good points that I'll expand upon in another thread that I'll start in a day or two when others have more time to comment here.

I suppose it depends on how discourse and suggestions are talked about. Few people are going to be responsive to suggestions when they are veiled flames or trolls (in situation in life.

"Excuse me, this banana bread tastes like you wiped it on your rump, you might as well cease to be a baker. Thanks for nothing booger."

However, honest discussion with the actual aim of alleviating the issue, instead of just pointing out the flaws, can lead to resolution. "This banana bread has gone bad. Can I exchange it for a fresh one?"


--Andy

Ah, yes, it does work better that way, doesn't it? Let's see if something like that can start here.




To the complainers: "Step forward, upsetters." Bring up your case in a reasonable fashion...

[owenator]

Check my posts in the last week....maybe even further back. This thread, is an excellent thread and a legitimate one. It simply challenges vocally the way Team CC runs it's operation. I think overall, it's hit a point that I've already stressed before - and that's the accountability factor of Team CC. For example, if we were to complain against the actions of an admin/mod does it REALLY get considered seriously? What happens to THEM in terms of punishment. And how do we actually know that it goes through. Why is their decisions mostly finalized? Even if an e-ticket is submitted, isn't it a waste of time when they respond with a generalized statement saying the decision is final? No further explanation provided. Again, some things to consider. Thanks Ballin, a very straight-forward and 'diplomatic' of challenging Team CC.

[Nola_Lifer]

Can you get more specific. Is this dissatisfaction about the processes of joining and playing games or about how the forum is run, or should I say babysat? Can you get more specific than that? What has Team CC done to your dissatisfaction? Cite examples. Is it a specific area in the forum, maybe C&A? Everyone should have a say, if they payed. I enjoy CC as an overall. For me, the thing that is most annoying is the forums and more specifically just the general bickering amongst fellow CCers. It's embarrassing

[Georgerx7di]

My opinion: (My disclaimer, I know I will hear shit for this from some people). I'm not that dissatisfied. I was a little upset with 1 of the perma-bans way back when they started, but then they cut back on permanent bans and started using 6 month bans for almost all people. Now I feel like there are one or two people I would like to see perma-banned. So I think that they are close to the balance.

It seems that most of the time when people get banned its because they a bug up you know where, and they are just itching to get banned. Some people can't stop making games or playing, so they go post a lot of crap in the forums as a form of self control (i.e. if I get banned then I won't stay on cc so long every night).

I won't belabor this point, just putting in my feelings.

ps If I was really unhappy here, I wouldn't be here.

[Army of GOD]

I thought this was going to be about the movie Gladiator...wasn't I disappointed.

Anyway, I see that there is friction between the community and the the "big guys", yet I really don't care about any of it. Mostly because I'm not paying anything, and that's because unlimited games just isn't enough for $25 of my precious, precious dollars.


If there was something more...maybe I'd change my mind.

[ronsizzle]

I thought this was going to be about the movie Gladiator...wasn't I disappointed.

the one with russell crowe or cuba gooding jr.?

[Army of GOD]

I thought this was going to be about the movie Gladiator...wasn't I disappointed.

the one with russell crowe or cuba gooding jr.?

Crowe.


But I just realized that he says "entertained" and not "satisfied".


WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPS

[Nola_Lifer]

I thought this was going to be about the movie Gladiator...wasn't I disappointed.

Anyway, I see that there is friction between the community and the the "big guys", yet I really don't care about any of it. Mostly because I'm not paying anything, and that's because unlimited games just isn't enough for $25 of my precious, precious dollars.


If there was something more...maybe I'd change my mind.

What would happened if the forum wasn't free. Let's say that it cost a 1$ for freemium to participate on the forum. Would you get premium, pay the dollar to join the forum, which gives you access to tournaments, or would you free it up?

[Army of GOD]

I thought this was going to be about the movie Gladiator...wasn't I disappointed.

Anyway, I see that there is friction between the community and the the "big guys", yet I really don't care about any of it. Mostly because I'm not paying anything, and that's because unlimited games just isn't enough for $25 of my precious, precious dollars.


If there was something more...maybe I'd change my mind.

What would happened if the forum wasn't free. Let's say that it cost a 1$ for freemium to participate on the forum. Would you get premium, pay the dollar to join the forum, which gives you access to tournaments, or would you free it up?

I would for a dollar. If not anything else, it most definitely is hilarious on here, so I'd pay for it (the tournaments don't really mean anything to me considering I haven't joined one yet). It's just that "more games" is just more of the same. Ability to make private games? If you're quick enough you can do this anyway. Gold rank thingy? I imagine mine being platinum. Fuzzy feeling? Eh.

To me, that's not worth 25 dollars, considering what I'm saving up for. It's a fine difficult line between freemium/premium attributes without stepping on anybody's toes. Though, if I had more money, I'd definitely buy a premie.

[BigBallinStalin]

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=102294&start=0

That racism issue about markjam and light punishment he received seems to be bothering a few. Perhaps, that should be handled a bit better by the mod community.

[jbrettlip]

if only andy's words could be believed. we have a nice civil discussion going on in our forum about this thread.

While I appreciate your sentiment (and I think general concern for Conquer Club), I think you are viewing things strictly from one point of view. Of course CC has issues (what doesn't? My shoes have issues, holes.), and I'm all for balanced discussion about how best to fix/alter/adapt those issues that individuals have. So I'd rather see the community take initiative and open a legitimate balanced discussion, and then we can attempt to work things out. ;) Who doesn't love a nice polite discourse? It's like bananas in my belly.


--Andy

within this thread, andy is claiming that you will not be banned if your complaints about CC are through a civil discourse that does not stoop to flaming/baiting. oh, you mean the type of civil discourse owen was involved with on a continual basis until he was banned for pointing out too much of the hypocrisy going on about the forums? now, what was he in civil discourse about when he was banned?

-mods/admins having an illegal private tournament
-OP never disclosing the results of his operational feedback request thread (owen and fruitcake were leading vote receivers and neither was contacted to be on this community "team". OP just appointed people he felt were representatives of the community)
-scott-land / khazalid being allowed to openly bait with racist remarks to members that are minorities. including within the C&A, GD and upoon khazalid's wall where scott declared, "racism is always funny."
-mibi being allowed to openly flame and bait members due to their fear of his removing his maps if any disciplinary action is taken against him. yes, that includes calling a black member of CC "poop face" and "doo doo brown" within a thread, and there being no repercussions. he also called the same member a jackass without any punishment. all were declared non-flames by andy and owen was told to stop being petty.
-mpjh (a mod) being allowed to flame/bait members within the CC community without any punishment due to his being a mod.
-manbungalow (a mod) breaking the same rule that got DM his forum death ban, and simply having his thread moved and no disciplinary action taken
-the convuluted logic behind allowing members that break the first rule of CC being allowed to buy back in, while members that are banned for words within the forums are treated more harshly despite their words having very little effect on the site as a whole

yeah, all discussions were civil, on point, and owen never stooped to the level of those baiting and flaming him within the threads. apparently andy has a very short memory. throw in the fact that a lot of his reported posts resulted in disciplinary actions and the excuse of abuse of the report system is laughable. since his ban, he has busted 3 multis, been responsible for a few members being put on vacation due to reports via e-ticket, and kept an open dialogue with the mods he is friendly with to continue and assist them with things they may miss in the forums. that owen is one bad, shut your mouth!

say what you want, but owenshooter always kept the discourse at a mature level, and he loved the site and continues to love the site. the admins had it in for him, and he was warned by several mods that he should be overly cautious. the open flaming/baiting of owen without any disciplinary action by the powers that be point to this. open discourse is not promoted at CC. it is only promoted if it is about maps, ranks, what a great job everyone is doing in the forums, etc. if anyone remembers correctly, the huge change in the bigotry guidelines happened when jiminski voiced his displeasure in how racism was handled. if he started that thread today, he'd be viewed as a trouble maker. the forums are changing, and they are not for the better. the intelligent posters are being replaced by the likes of targetman and the illiterate gaggle of recent arrivals to the GD that have nothing of merit or worth to add to any discussion other than emoticons and applause for team CC.

[Woodruff]

viewed as a trouble maker. the forums are changing, and they are not for the better. the intelligent posters are being replaced by the likes of targetman and the illiterate gaggle of recent arrivals to the GD that have nothing of merit or worth to add to any discussion other than emoticons and applause for team CC.

That's really not true, you realize. That's not to say that some intelligent posters haven't been banned (they have). But certainly not with the intent of getting rid of the intelligent posters nor of getting rid of posters who criticize the administration of the site. That is patently obvious to anyone looking at the situation with a degree of objectivity.

[Aradhus]

Why was Owen banned? What rule/s did he break?

[Nola_Lifer]

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=102294&start=0

That racism issue about markjam and light punishment he received seems to be bothering a few. Perhaps, that should be handled a bit better by the mod community.

Seems like Team CC need a law library and some CC Lawyers with a peer review board to say guilty or not and then the Judge can give the sentence. This way all can be satisfied.

Why was Owen banned? What rule/s did he break?

Please keep on topic. If you want to know what he was banned, send a pm or ask in another thread. Try to accomplish something here, please.

[Aradhus]

The entire post, two prior to mine, was about Owen, his contribution to CC and the disparity between how he was dealt with by CC and how other members are dealt with. Knowing why he was banned is pertinent to understanding why jbrettlip and other members are dissatisfied with how CC is being managed.


And you can stick your "please".. somewhere else, never tell me what to do.

[thegreekdog]

Question for BBS for which I've been trying to find a solution.

I remain disconcerted with the elimination of the Flame Wars forum. I have tried to have reasonable conversations with the moderators on the reinstatement of some version of Flame Wars. I have been rebuffed with comments like (to paraphrase), "We're not bringing back Flame Wars. Drop it." I do not think this is constructive conversation. Now, I may be biased and I may be beating a dead horse, but I think that if the moderators would like to discuss some problems we have with the fora, one I would like to discuss is Flame Wars.

Anyway, do you have any thoughts on how to bring up this touchy subject (for some reason)?

[StephenB]

I was a little upset with 1 of the perma-bans way back when they started, but then they cut back on permanent bans and started using 6 month bans for almost all people.

Is there much difference?

[Georgerx7di]

I was a little upset with 1 of the perma-bans way back when they started, but then they cut back on permanent bans and started using 6 month bans for almost all people.

Is there much difference?

I think so. Besides, didn't the permabans affect your games too? I still don't understand how all the bans work, but I thought permanent meant that you are banned from the site too. I could be wrong.

[ronsizzle]

owen was banned because he was being baited/ridiculed/criticized/among other things. then he started to report posts that were baits and flames regarding him, then they banned him for it.

why was it that when flame wars was here noone got banned? oh yeah, they kept all the shit in one place......

tgd, the mods are never bringing back fw. although, 80 percent of cc wants it back. why you ask would they not want to bring something back that everyone loved? i dont fucking know. hyasri got rid of it with some stupid "cutesy club" april fools joke. needless to say.......it was a fucking awful joke. it accomplished one thing, and one thing only. NOTHING.

BRING BACK OWEN, DM, AND WHOEVER ELSE HAS BEEN BANNED, AND BRING BACK FLAME WARS!