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Compalomp wrote:Strongly agreed. It's bizarre and a little horrifying that enslaved people are depicted as stationary objects to be collected like bags of coins or jugs of booze. Obviously one of the purposes of games like RISK is to abstract and sanitize large-scale atrocity. Maybe a map that incorporated the idea of forced labor in a complex way could even be interesting. But this map as-is is just in bad taste.
Lord Arioch wrote:u dont have to go to history to find thoose things ... just look around.
I agree with dukasaur
Dukasaur wrote:The purpose of war games is to depict wars.
Wars in real life are not fought for lovely motives. Generally, it's to steal someone else's land or resources.
One of the resources fought over in the past were slaves. Nothing good about it, that's just history. You want to pretend it didn't happen?
riskllama wrote:wow, surprised cairnswk is actually even still semi-around. seems like the next step would be to contact him & see if he's up to it...*shrugs*
mrswdk wrote:I never get why maps are treated as some sort of sacred relic never to be touched unless the person who originally designed it says okay, even if that person fucked off from CC years ago.
mrswdk wrote:Dukasaur wrote:The purpose of war games is to depict wars.
Wars in real life are not fought for lovely motives. Generally, it's to steal someone else's land or resources.
One of the resources fought over in the past were slaves. Nothing good about it, that's just history. You want to pretend it didn't happen?
It could at least be renamed or rebranded. The map is clearly set in colonial era, pre-emancipation Jamaica, but that isn't acknowledged anywhere and the map is simply labelled as 'Jamaica'. Other historic maps generally state somewhere that they are maps relating to a specific time period, on the map itself if not in the map's name. There's a lot more to Jamaica than the fact it was a slave colony hundreds of years ago. You wouldn't have a map that depicts the Celtic rebellion against the Romans and just call it 'England'.
And if we're going for 'grim shit is fine to turn into a game if it's historically accurate' then I vote for the WWII Poland map to include concentration camps, and players get a bonus if they control some or all of them due to their access to free labour. And it's not insensitive or insulting to make a game out of that because it's true. A Rwandan genocide map would also be fun.
Hooch wrote:mrswdk wrote:Dukasaur wrote:The purpose of war games is to depict wars.
Wars in real life are not fought for lovely motives. Generally, it's to steal someone else's land or resources.
One of the resources fought over in the past were slaves. Nothing good about it, that's just history. You want to pretend it didn't happen?
It could at least be renamed or rebranded. The map is clearly set in colonial era, pre-emancipation Jamaica, but that isn't acknowledged anywhere and the map is simply labelled as 'Jamaica'. Other historic maps generally state somewhere that they are maps relating to a specific time period, on the map itself if not in the map's name. There's a lot more to Jamaica than the fact it was a slave colony hundreds of years ago. You wouldn't have a map that depicts the Celtic rebellion against the Romans and just call it 'England'.
And if we're going for 'grim shit is fine to turn into a game if it's historically accurate' then I vote for the WWII Poland map to include concentration camps, and players get a bonus if they control some or all of them due to their access to free labour. And it's not insensitive or insulting to make a game out of that because it's true. A Rwandan genocide map would also be fun.
I agree in principle on Jamaica map being related to the age of pirates though WWII Poland map only applies to the initial invasions of Poland, Concentration Camps don't apply.
You are welcome to create both a standard Jamaica map and a WWII Poland Concentration map.
Dukasaur wrote:mrswdk wrote:I never get why maps are treated as some sort of sacred relic never to be touched unless the person who originally designed it says okay, even if that person fucked off from CC years ago.
It's called intellectual property rights. It's one of the basic underpinnings of civilization.
Dukasaur wrote:mrswdk wrote:I never get why maps are treated as some sort of sacred relic never to be touched unless the person who originally designed it says okay, even if that person fucked off from CC years ago.
It's called intellectual property rights. It's one of the basic underpinnings of civilization.
mrswdk wrote:Dukasaur wrote:mrswdk wrote:I never get why maps are treated as some sort of sacred relic never to be touched unless the person who originally designed it says okay, even if that person fucked off from CC years ago.
It's called intellectual property rights. It's one of the basic underpinnings of civilization.
Oh I see. CC has been short-sighted enough to allow its entire map database to be legally owned by a disparate collection of individuals without any guarantee that those individuals would remain actively engaged in maintaining their sections of that database? Somehow I am not surprised.
mrswdk wrote:Oh so CC has the intellectual property rights, your sassy response was a red herring and my original question still stands. Thanks for clearing that up!
So why is CC beholden to the 'moral' rights of members who have long since become inactive or vanished altogether? Rather than prioritising the interests of the active CC community?
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