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72o wrote:[soapbox]
I am relatively new to the site, and just recently started browsing the forums, but, I'm awfully surprised at how much animosity people have in their posts when referring to or directly addressing the admins/mods/site owners, etc.
Now, I'm not privy to all that's happened to lead up to this, and I really don't care, but I think if I had the ban hammer to swing I'd be out of breath.
I'm not looking to flame anyone in particular, or kiss any ass, I just think folks could show a little appreciation/courtesy for people that are doing work, most of them for free, to support this place. If you really don't agree with them, or really don't like this place, instead of trolling on here trying to start fights with the admins and mods, maybe you should consider other ways to spend your time.
I'm sure you're probably discouraging other potential new players and members of the forum with this kind of behavior. I am members of other forums that are really like a community, but not this one. I like this place, and I have fun with the games, but the forum is nothing I'll spend a lot of time on until this type of thing stops. I'm sure you will remind me that you will be no worse for the loss.
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72o wrote:[soapbox]
I am relatively new to the site, and just recently started browsing the forums, but, I'm awfully surprised at how much animosity people have in their posts when referring to or directly addressing the admins/mods/site owners, etc.
Now, I'm not privy to all that's happened to lead up to this, and I really don't care, but I think if I had the ban hammer to swing I'd be out of breath.
I'm not looking to flame anyone in particular, or kiss any ass, I just think folks could show a little appreciation/courtesy for people that are doing work, most of them for free, to support this place. If you really don't agree with them, or really don't like this place, instead of trolling on here trying to start fights with the admins and mods, maybe you should consider other ways to spend your time.
I'm sure you're probably discouraging other potential new players and members of the forum with this kind of behavior. I am members of other forums that are really like a community, but not this one. I like this place, and I have fun with the games, but the forum is nothing I'll spend a lot of time on until this type of thing stops. I'm sure you will remind me that you will be no worse for the loss.
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72o wrote:[soapbox]
I'm sure you're probably discouraging other potential new players and members of the forum with this kind of behavior. I am members of other forums that are really like a community, but not this one. I like this place, and I have fun with the games, but the forum is nothing I'll spend a lot of time on until this type of thing stops. I'm sure you will remind me that you will be no worse for the loss.
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hwhrhett wrote: but once theyve all been warned a dozen times, then comes the bans...
72o wrote:Now, I'm not privy to all that's happened to lead up to this, and I really don't care, but I think if I had the ban hammer to swing I'd be out of breath.
hwhrhett wrote:it wasnt always like this, there has recently been an influx of trolls, mostly attempting to get friends of theirs unbanned for trolling... it will take time for all of them to get through all of their warnings. but once theyve all been warned a dozen times, then comes the bans....
one day we will have our general discussion forum back, and it will be good, til theyve banned all the troublesome folks it will be like this tho...
72o wrote:[soapbox]
I am relatively new to the site, and just recently started browsing the forums, but, I'm awfully surprised at how much animosity people have in their posts when referring to or directly addressing the admins/mods/site owners, etc.
Now, I'm not privy to all that's happened to lead up to this, and I really don't care, but I think if I had the ban hammer to swing I'd be out of breath.
I'm not looking to flame anyone in particular, or kiss any ass, I just think folks could show a little appreciation/courtesy for people that are doing work, most of them for free, to support this place. If you really don't agree with them, or really don't like this place, instead of trolling on here trying to start fights with the admins and mods, maybe you should consider other ways to spend your time.
I'm sure you're probably discouraging other potential new players and members of the forum with this kind of behavior. I am members of other forums that are really like a community, but not this one. I like this place, and I have fun with the games, but the forum is nothing I'll spend a lot of time on until this type of thing stops. I'm sure you will remind me that you will be no worse for the loss.
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4myGod wrote:72o wrote:Now, I'm not privy to all that's happened to lead up to this, and I really don't care, but I think if I had the ban hammer to swing I'd be out of breath.
I understand your desire to voice your concern, and it is great that you are doing so, however if you are to voice your concern you should care what happened to lead up to this, because that could be an issue that continually repeats itself and causes the same response forever down the line. If this is the case the issue should be stopped.
I assume though that you just felt that we would flame you or tell you to go read what happened, so you felt the need to say "I don't care"... that is fine if you aren't going to post on the matter, but like a fair judge you are going to need to hear everyone's side of the story before you make a decision on who is right and who is wrong.
Imagine if you had a tumor in your brain and because of it you were having awful headaches. You go into the doctor and he said "well I don't know what happened to cause these headaches and I don't really care, but the headaches have to stop." So he gives you advil and sends you home. The tumor is still there, and if he doesn't try to stop the root of the problem then the headaches will be there forever, even if the medicine works for a couple of weeks or months.
So some people are trying to cure the root of the problem, while others call them complainers and tell them there is no problem. Yes, it's a nasty thing to see on the forums, however people who were here for years want to fix a bad problem they see on the forums, and it's going to take some heavy scrubbing if you know what I mean. You can either help or sit by and wait for them to finish.
Artimis wrote:To help you catch up with recent events:
Subject: Welcome to Cutesy Club!
Subject: fix please
Subject: Flame Wars Removed
What you are witnessing is the blandification of the forums, the removal of all the interesting posters deemed unsafe to the moral health of the forums.
72o wrote:I just don't get how you can join a community that's been provided to you free of charge by someone else, is the property of someone else, and then you act like it's your god-given right to say how things should be!
72o wrote:That would really show 'em. Maybe even <gasp> start your own forum! I think it's highly unlikely that you all are "helping" the situation with your current behavior, so I guess I'll be "sitting by and waiting for you to finish".
72o wrote:To use your example, if I'm continually visiting a doctor who prescribes me nothing but advil, he tells me, "tough luck, i know what's best for you and it's advil," and the headaches keep coming back, am I going to go to that doctor every day just to complain about how poor of a doctor he is? Am I going to sit in the waiting room every day, and moan on and on about the headache? Am I going to demand that I have brain surgery immediately? Or would I go to a different doctor? What if it turns out the doctor is right, and Advil is what I need? After all, I'm not a doctor.
72o wrote:4myGod wrote:72o wrote:Now, I'm not privy to all that's happened to lead up to this, and I really don't care, but I think if I had the ban hammer to swing I'd be out of breath.
I understand your desire to voice your concern, and it is great that you are doing so, however if you are to voice your concern you should care what happened to lead up to this, because that could be an issue that continually repeats itself and causes the same response forever down the line. If this is the case the issue should be stopped.
I assume though that you just felt that we would flame you or tell you to go read what happened, so you felt the need to say "I don't care"... that is fine if you aren't going to post on the matter, but like a fair judge you are going to need to hear everyone's side of the story before you make a decision on who is right and who is wrong.
Imagine if you had a tumor in your brain and because of it you were having awful headaches. You go into the doctor and he said "well I don't know what happened to cause these headaches and I don't really care, but the headaches have to stop." So he gives you advil and sends you home. The tumor is still there, and if he doesn't try to stop the root of the problem then the headaches will be there forever, even if the medicine works for a couple of weeks or months.
So some people are trying to cure the root of the problem, while others call them complainers and tell them there is no problem. Yes, it's a nasty thing to see on the forums, however people who were here for years want to fix a bad problem they see on the forums, and it's going to take some heavy scrubbing if you know what I mean. You can either help or sit by and wait for them to finish.
Fair point. Let me restate. I didn't mean that I don't care what happened, I meant that regardless of what happened, and who was right or wrong, the derogatory comments and continual stone-throwing at the mods is a pointless knee-jerk overreaction, regardless of what happened. I will read some of this past stuff and see if I can find where the animosity originates, but I can already be certain that whatever it was doesn't warrant this type of behavior. And why I'm also certain that if I was one of these mods, I'd be banning people too.
I just don't get how you can join a community that's been provided to you free of charge by someone else, is the property of someone else, and then you act like it's your god-given right to say how things should be!
You say that this is because they are trying to address the root of the problem. If you mean that the root of the problems are the mods and admins, why don't you just not log in anymore? Find another forum, perhaps. That would really show 'em. Maybe even <gasp> start your own forum! I think it's highly unlikely that you all are "helping" the situation with your current behavior, so I guess I'll be "sitting by and waiting for you to finish".
To use your example, if I'm continually visiting a doctor who prescribes me nothing but advil, he tells me, "tough luck, i know what's best for you and it's advil," and the headaches keep coming back, am I going to go to that doctor every day just to complain about how poor of a doctor he is? Am I going to sit in the waiting room every day, and moan on and on about the headache? Am I going to demand that I have brain surgery immediately? Or would I go to a different doctor? What if it turns out the doctor is right, and Advil is what I need? After all, I'm not a doctor.
These doctors say that Advil is what you get. I think you need to keep in mind that at the end of the day, this is someone else's place. If you have a problem with their rules or actions, it might not be the place for you.
However, since there seem to be a lot of you that like it this way, maybe it's not the place for me.
72 wrote:but I can already be certain that whatever it was doesn't warrant this type of behavior
72o wrote:[soapbox]
I am relatively new to the site, and just recently started browsing the forums, but, I'm awfully surprised at how much animosity people have in their posts when referring to or directly addressing the admins/mods/site owners, etc.
Now, I'm not privy to all that's happened to lead up to this, and I really don't care, but I think if I had the ban hammer to swing I'd be out of breath.
I'm not looking to flame anyone in particular, or kiss any ass, I just think folks could show a little appreciation/courtesy for people that are doing work, most of them for free, to support this place. If you really don't agree with them, or really don't like this place, instead of trolling on here trying to start fights with the admins and mods, maybe you should consider other ways to spend your time.
I'm sure you're probably discouraging other potential new players and members of the forum with this kind of behavior. I am members of other forums that are really like a community, but not this one. I like this place, and I have fun with the games, but the forum is nothing I'll spend a lot of time on until this type of thing stops. I'm sure you will remind me that you will be no worse for the loss.
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72o wrote:Fair point. Let me restate. I didn't mean that I don't care what happened, I meant that regardless of what happened, and who was right or wrong, the derogatory comments and continual stone-throwing at the mods is a pointless knee-jerk overreaction, regardless of what happened. I will read some of this past stuff and see if I can find where the animosity originates, but I can already be certain that whatever it was doesn't warrant this type of behavior. And why I'm also certain that if I was one of these mods, I'd be banning people too.
I just don't get how you can join a community that's been provided to you free of charge by someone else, is the property of someone else, and then you act like it's your god-given right to say how things should be!
You say that this is because they are trying to address the root of the problem. If you mean that the root of the problems are the mods and admins, why don't you just not log in anymore? Find another forum, perhaps. That would really show 'em. Maybe even <gasp> start your own forum! I think it's highly unlikely that you all are "helping" the situation with your current behavior, so I guess I'll be "sitting by and waiting for you to finish".
To use your example, if I'm continually visiting a doctor who prescribes me nothing but advil, he tells me, "tough luck, i know what's best for you and it's advil," and the headaches keep coming back, am I going to go to that doctor every day just to complain about how poor of a doctor he is? Am I going to sit in the waiting room every day, and moan on and on about the headache? Am I going to demand that I have brain surgery immediately? Or would I go to a different doctor? What if it turns out the doctor is right, and Advil is what I need? After all, I'm not a doctor.
These doctors say that Advil is what you get. I think you need to keep in mind that at the end of the day, this is someone else's place. If you have a problem with their rules or actions, it might not be the place for you.
However, since there seem to be a lot of you that like it this way, maybe it's not the place for me.
Fruitcake wrote:How many more admin/mod generated pseudo members are we going to see?
72o wrote:For the complaints about the number of banned members and the escalating ban getting too high, I will defer my comments until I am adequately prepared for a discussion. I don't have enough information to speak intelligently on the topic. I would appreciate any references to threads/posts/anything that would give me a starting point for understanding the severity of the banning epidemic.
I don't pretend to be an authority on this subject, or any other for that matter. I'd just like to create a discussion that would actually be focused on issues and their possible resolution, and possibly curtail the pointless insult-hurling of the mods and admins that many threads seem to devolve into.
For the record, I'm not a admin/mod multi, nor am I friends with any of them, related to them, etc. I don't have any aspirations to be a member of their team, I have no ulterior motive. I just like to browse the forum while I'm waiting for turns, and found that too many threads are the same folks with the same contempt for the current "administration".
72o wrote:Ok, I figured... same contempt for the current "administration".
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