[SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia - Over - Mafia Wins - MVP Aladdin

[StorrZerg]

Really... stop abusing spelling. .. you are ruining the game..

Onestly, I wood luv too. You've seen dat I tried to minimize mispeling and then tried to put dem at teh end of teh posts. Why cant you unnerstand that the MODS rekwire it? Anyway I havent herd from them for a wile, so I gess they are pleesed with my werk and wot I am doing now.

I tink "ruining" teh game is a bit of an overreakshun, anyway - see my post above on teh topik ^^^^ It reely isent a big deel wen you tink about it.

seriously, its not that hard.... You claimed you only needed to do 3-4 per post (you are clearly at over 20 in this little reply), you are abusing your situation, creating confusion, forcing people to get frustrated with you. and claiming the mod keeps changing things is bullshit. Stop bringing the mod into this, do what you need to do, stop abusing the situation.

[Iron Butterfly]

i just got simple ANTI-TOWN.

you said you have been recruited to outside group
can you please elaborate on that?
you all can just talk over night between yourselves?
isn't that mafia ability only?

it is possible I am paranoid cop, but I never got that written in my pm role

Alladin brings up good point. This could explain conflicting investigations in that we are both right. Sausage is neutral in that he helps and hurts everyone at some point, which suggests survivor type of win condition.

The thing that worries me is that if he is grouped in private chat that group wou;ld have an advantage dependent on sausage win condition and theirs.

Sausage what is your win condition and who are you grouped with?

I may have to reconsider a sausage lynch.

[Iron Butterfly]

Wing wrote "Note that Sausage didnt claim town, so Benga's investigation that Sausage is Anti Town stands up. IB is it possible that Sausage is third party based on the exact phrasing of your investigation result? (potentially survivor by the sounds of it.)"

Very much so. My result was quite specific with no room for interpretation.

"The Magic 8 ball say's....Town"

[StorrZerg]

whatsausage recruited by cult possible....

100% killing him if he doesn't out what is going on with that

[StorrZerg]

good i see whatsausage online, im eager for the response to questions..

[AladdinSane]

seriously, its not that hard.... You claimed you only needed to do 3-4 per post (you are clearly at over 20 in this little reply), you are abusing your situation, creating confusion, forcing people to get frustrated with you. and claiming the mod keeps changing things is bullshit. Stop bringing the mod into this, do what you need to do, stop abusing the situation.

I think a statement from the mods is probably the only tiing that will help hear. All I know, Storr, is that I have tryed a few diffrent approches, and I HAVE got rockets saying I had to change, and this curent aproach seems to keep them happy. Just try to get over it. It is what it is. Although others have complained, yer the only wun that keeps on and on about it. I woodent be supprised if the mispeling turned out to be relevant to my roll sumhow.

[the white rose]

Sausage have you never heard of KISS?....Keep it simple, stupid

My role is town sleeping god. I am the one responsible for the day effects we have witnessed so far. So basically my power is that I can make up a day effect for the next day. There were a few examples in my role, including that I could reduce the vote count required for lynch by 4 on D1 or D2 and by 2 any day after that. (Not sure if my conjunctions make this clear, but I would have to use my power every night for this effect to continue.)

I would be much more inclined to believe you had you said that one of your powers was to reduce vote count by 4...or to reduce it by 2, or to give everyone a double vote or for the first person to post get killed etc....and what do you mean on the blue bit, doesn't make sense to me.

So the first night I figured that I should lower the required vote count to make a D1 lynch a little more feasible (15 votes is a lot, since I had no idea someone would start the game with knowledge). Last night I decided I wanted to have a little more fun with my role (because c'mon, how often do you get to make rules as a player?). Originally, I wanted everyone to basically have unlimited votes, but of course this wasn't allowed.

so you pm'd the mods, and they got back to you and said no, but gave you the chance to do something else.

Then I tried for each player to be able to have one vote on each other player, this was initially accepted,

now this is where it all falls apart, what exactly do you mean? could i vote for each player, as many players as i choose?
Anyway moving on, so you sent another pm to the mods asking for this and they agreed. So that is the end of it eh? no!

but I got greedy and wanted players to be able to get two votes on other players. So what the effect for today is: each player's first vote remains where it was placed, and then they have an additional vote which they can use normally including again on the first player they voted for. (Normally, meaning it can be moved around and unvoted)

.....so you sent a third pm to the mods asking to change your mind, and they agreed?

night actions are just that, actions that you send in, the mods get them all together and produce a night scene. It is impractical to hold night time conversations....for example, night lasts for 48 hours, after 30 hours you send them the first pm, after 40 hours they refuse it, 15 hours later you reply with a second action, now the night is 55 hours long, the mods ok that and pm to you at 70 hours...at 80 hours you change your mind and send a third pm which they get to see after 95 hours....but hang on the night only lasts 48 hours.....suppose the night started on friday and streaker does not get online over the weekend? Sure, you may get lucky and converse by return of pm's, but this could not be guaranteed.

generally having such a role you get a list of possible powers that you could use and you get to choose one of them.

This appears to have hurt me, as now I am getting double voted I think someone had figured this out, or at least pretty close to it. I figured this had two benefits: That people who placed a vote at all would continue to have one down and not be able to be modkilled if they tried to unvote at a bad time, and that these extra votes would give more things to look into on players (IE, more potential evidence of scum behavior).

totally unbelievable!

Also, I am unable to post at night. (Because my role name is sleeping? iunno)

really? but you can have a conversation with the mods and talk to your scum buddies

So that is my role. As to why I have received conflicting investigations, I am not quite sure. I have an idea, and this is why I have asked benga to reveal what exact info he received on me. Unless I missed it, he has neglected to do this. Instead he just sheeped someone else in saying my defense was weak. This idea is why I don't think that lynching me will necessarily give the town the information on benga and the magic 8-ball that we are hoping for. I was recruited into a group that can communicate outside the thread, and I believe that in some games having this ability makes one turn up scum on investigations (miller/mason combo? when I look it up, honestly I thought it was more common that roles with outside comm to turn up scum in investigations). So I believe that I could flip town and still have benga's investigation be correct and IB's not. But there would be no way of knowing for sure. I do still think the most likely scenario is that benga's investigation is faulty somehow, as I know I am not anti-town.

...and you really expect people to believe that?

besides, if you really were a god then sureley you would be omnipotent and be unlynchable?

[the white rose]

I believe you.

why?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I believe you.

why?

Nobody makes that shit up, and its not like it defines his alignment anyway. Its somewhat questionable that you are pushing to lynch him for his "poor" role claim rather than making any comment on his alignment.

I'll look at vote count tomorrow, but its likely that I will be switching my switchable vote to you White Rose.

[Iron Butterfly]

because I do. His role that is. You will find after playing mafia a bit that the simplest answer can also be the most scummy.

Cmon...out of all the things to claim? Why that?

It also brings light to other problems Town may have.

Why should we NOT believe him?

[Whatsausage]

I think I believe the claim, but that doesn't make you town, Whatsausage.

I would agree. If anything the vote count would make it easier for anti town/mafia as they can work in tandem.

I would ask Whatsausage about this group he has been recruited to.

If you can rewrite rules perhaps you can check on our buddy Mitch? I will stay out of it but it does seem like a very powerful role.

I cannot rewrite the rules as such, what I can do is add an effect to the next day of the game (pending mod approval) such as impose a PR on the entire town, or change voting somehow. (Note: these are just two examples, my powers are not just limited to these things.)

Aladdin, I would say my role is not very similar to "dreaming god" as I make up the powers myself, and as such, know exactly what they do. But you are correct, I basically submit proposals for the mod's approval.

As far as the group I am recruited into, I don't know very much to be honest with you. I know there are two others in it currently, one of which was recruited along with me last night. There has been no discussion in it thus far. This discussion is allowed at any time, day or night.

I am town, but whether you believe that is up to you I suppose. At the very least, you should concede that I am not a threat to town, as my actions will be visible to everyone, so I would be a fool to try and make them anti-town.

Justification for my actions so far:
D1, I chose to reduce the votes required for a lynch by 4. This was one of the suggestions in my role pm, and I had only a short time before the end of N0, so I just went with it instead of trying to come up with something. I thought it would aid town, because it created less of a need for wagoning. I thought it made it more likely that we could come up with a good D1 lynch if we didn't require 15 votes. I know some players would see 15 votes required and think the first wagon would be the only possible way to get a lynch, as well as this being an easier place for scum to hide. (I mean it is easier to look at 11 voters than to look at 15 voters) This did create a small distraction in the form of hypothesizing, but in all I would make this move again.

D2, I wanted to have a little fun with my role I'll admit. This may not have been the most pro-town move. I did think there would be more than one death on N1, otherwise I may have done the -4 votes required thing. My original idea of each player being able to vote for each player once would have been better for town, as then town could each place a vote on each person they believe to be scum, instead of having to choose just one. I got a little carried away as I discussed this with the mods, thinking players could have a choice between one or two votes on each player if they felt more strongly (and thus, they would have to justify the extra vote), which was not accepted and then we landed where we are, with a sticky vote and a regular vote. If I could do it again, I would have tried to stick with each player being able to vote once for each other player.

FP'd a lot
Just gonna respond in a separate post

[Iron Butterfly]

I believe you.

why?

Nobody makes that shit up, and its not like it defines his alignment anyway. Its somewhat questionable that you are pushing to lynch him for his "poor" role claim rather than making any comment on his alignment.

I'll look at vote count tomorrow, but its likely that I will be switching my switchable vote to you White Rose.

Yeh...I want a claim from him.

[CatchersMitt14]

VOTE THE WHITE ROSE

For his inability to undersand Whatsausage's clam and a gross overattempt to discredit him as wel.

I believe the essance of sausage's clam, not sure abut his alighnment yet. I think it's most likely he's a surviver. I also don't think linching sausage will help town at this pint.

Sausage have you never heard of KISS?....Keep it simple, stupid

My role is town sleeping god. I am the one responsible for the day effects we have witnessed so far. So basically my power is that I can make up a day effect for the next day. There were a few examples in my role, including that I could reduce the vote count required for lynch by 4 on D1 or D2 and by 2 any day after that. (Not sure if my conjunctions make this clear, but I would have to use my power every night for this effect to continue.)

I would be much more inclined to believe you had you said that one of your powers was to reduce vote count by 4...or to reduce it by 2, or to give everyone a double vote or for the first person to post get killed etc....and what do you mean on the blue bit, doesn't make sense to me.

So the first night I figured that I should lower the required vote count to make a D1 lynch a little more feasible (15 votes is a lot, since I had no idea someone would start the game with knowledge). Last night I decided I wanted to have a little more fun with my role (because c'mon, how often do you get to make rules as a player?). Originally, I wanted everyone to basically have unlimited votes, but of course this wasn't allowed.

so you pm'd the mods, and they got back to you and said no, but gave you the chance to do something else.

Then I tried for each player to be able to have one vote on each other player, this was initially accepted,

now this is where it all falls apart, what exactly do you mean? could i vote for each player, as many players as i choose?
Anyway moving on, so you sent another pm to the mods asking for this and they agreed. So that is the end of it eh? no!

but I got greedy and wanted players to be able to get two votes on other players. So what the effect for today is: each player's first vote remains where it was placed, and then they have an additional vote which they can use normally including again on the first player they voted for. (Normally, meaning it can be moved around and unvoted)

.....so you sent a third pm to the mods asking to change your mind, and they agreed?

night actions are just that, actions that you send in, the mods get them all together and produce a night scene. It is impractical to hold night time conversations....for example, night lasts for 48 hours, after 30 hours you send them the first pm, after 40 hours they refuse it, 15 hours later you reply with a second action, now the night is 55 hours long, the mods ok that and pm to you at 70 hours...at 80 hours you change your mind and send a third pm which they get to see after 95 hours....but hang on the night only lasts 48 hours.....suppose the night started on friday and streaker does not get online over the weekend? Sure, you may get lucky and converse by return of pm's, but this could not be guaranteed.

generally having such a role you get a list of possible powers that you could use and you get to choose one of them.

This appears to have hurt me, as now I am getting double voted I think someone had figured this out, or at least pretty close to it. I figured this had two benefits: That people who placed a vote at all would continue to have one down and not be able to be modkilled if they tried to unvote at a bad time, and that these extra votes would give more things to look into on players (IE, more potential evidence of scum behavior).

totally unbelievable!

Also, I am unable to post at night. (Because my role name is sleeping? iunno)

really? but you can have a conversation with the mods and talk to your scum buddies

So that is my role. As to why I have received conflicting investigations, I am not quite sure. I have an idea, and this is why I have asked benga to reveal what exact info he received on me. Unless I missed it, he has neglected to do this. Instead he just sheeped someone else in saying my defense was weak. This idea is why I don't think that lynching me will necessarily give the town the information on benga and the magic 8-ball that we are hoping for. I was recruited into a group that can communicate outside the thread, and I believe that in some games having this ability makes one turn up scum on investigations (miller/mason combo? when I look it up, honestly I thought it was more common that roles with outside comm to turn up scum in investigations). So I believe that I could flip town and still have benga's investigation be correct and IB's not. But there would be no way of knowing for sure. I do still think the most likely scenario is that benga's investigation is faulty somehow, as I know I am not anti-town.

...and you really expect people to believe that?

besides, if you really were a god then sureley you would be omnipotent and be unlynchable?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Wing wrote "Note that Sausage didnt claim town, so Benga's investigation that Sausage is Anti Town stands up. IB is it possible that Sausage is third party based on the exact phrasing of your investigation result? (potentially survivor by the sounds of it.)"

Very much so. My result was quite specific with no room for interpretation.

"The Magic 8 ball say's....Town"

I'm deeply concerned about a masoniser who is not masoning for conversation. Does that sound like a recruiter to you also?

[Metsfanmax]

night actions are just that, actions that you send in, the mods get them all together and produce a night scene. It is impractical to hold night time conversations....for example, night lasts for 48 hours, after 30 hours you send them the first pm, after 40 hours they refuse it, 15 hours later you reply with a second action, now the night is 55 hours long, the mods ok that and pm to you at 70 hours...at 80 hours you change your mind and send a third pm which they get to see after 95 hours....but hang on the night only lasts 48 hours.....suppose the night started on friday and streaker does not get online over the weekend? Sure, you may get lucky and converse by return of pm's, but this could not be guaranteed.

This comment screams noobiness rather than scumminess. I think TWR just doesn't get how mafia works here, to some extent. I'd be careful of lynching him over it.

[Whatsausage]

I will reiterate, I don't really know much about it other than it started with a single player and is now up to three. It is called a "telecom" I believe. I don't think it is a cult, as aren't you usually told when you become a member of a cult?

@twr, If I kept it simple, I would have been withholding information. Would you honestly think it better for me if I had lied?
Yes, there was conversing with the mods, when role powers are not cleanly defined, conversation is required. I obviously will not be allowed any game-breaking powers such as "anyone that votes dies" or "all mafia must post with a PR". As such, I must converse with the mods to find where the line is with my powers. You can believe or not that I was able to send 3 pm's within 48 hours.
The statement you highlight in blue, I'll try to make it more clear. I can use one power per night. One possible power is to reduce the number of votes required for a lynch. On days 1 and 2, this would reduce the votes required by 4 (or probably up to 4 if I so chose) and any day after that, this would only reduce the votes required by 2 (or 1 if I so chose). Does this make sense?

FP'd again

[PLAYER57832]

Right now, I am not clear on which prior vote of mine stands, so .. to be safe [color=#BF0000]UNVOTE, UNVOTE (unvote any prior votes where it can apply)[/color]

ThenVOTE the white rose If I am allowed a NEW second vote, (does not sound like I can), then vote no Lynch

so, to sum, whatever my first vote was and then one vote for the white rose. Basically, agree with above logic, just not feeling WR is town. If both old votes were erased, then one white rose and one lynch.

[the white rose]

I believe you.

why?

Nobody makes that shit up, and its not like it defines his alignment anyway. Its somewhat questionable that you are pushing to lynch him for his "poor" role claim rather than making any comment on his alignment.

I'll look at vote count tomorrow, but its likely that I will be switching my switchable vote to you White Rose.

Yeh...I want a claim from him.

unfortunately right at the moment i am under a post restriction not to claim....that may change as the day goes on.

[CatchersMitt14]

night actions are just that, actions that you send in, the mods get them all together and produce a night scene. It is impractical to hold night time conversations....for example, night lasts for 48 hours, after 30 hours you send them the first pm, after 40 hours they refuse it, 15 hours later you reply with a second action, now the night is 55 hours long, the mods ok that and pm to you at 70 hours...at 80 hours you change your mind and send a third pm which they get to see after 95 hours....but hang on the night only lasts 48 hours.....suppose the night started on friday and streaker does not get online over the weekend? Sure, you may get lucky and converse by return of pm's, but this could not be guaranteed.

This comment screams noobiness rather than scumminess. I think TWR just doesn't get how mafia works here, to some extent. I'd be careful of lynching him over it.

I find it hard to buy chaulking up not nowing how PMs work to beeing a noob. Sounds allmost more like you defending TWR and the too of you working togeather.

[PLAYER57832]

side note... just saw wicked began one of the origin threads... boy, does that bring back some thoughts!

[StorrZerg]

I still want to lynch what sausage. I dont like the answers for using his power. how the power is used looks more like the use of someone thats anti town. Secondly, the power could have ended up really bad, if no one noticed. Could have easily miss lynched someone before a claim..

[StorrZerg]

I believe you.

why?

Nobody makes that shit up, and its not like it defines his alignment anyway. Its somewhat questionable that you are pushing to lynch him for his "poor" role claim rather than making any comment on his alignment.

I'll look at vote count tomorrow, but its likely that I will be switching my switchable vote to you White Rose.

Yeh...I want a claim from him.

unfortunately right at the moment i am under a post restriction not to claim....that may change as the day goes on.

ok then i guess you get lynched

[the white rose]

night actions are just that, actions that you send in, the mods get them all together and produce a night scene. It is impractical to hold night time conversations....for example, night lasts for 48 hours, after 30 hours you send them the first pm, after 40 hours they refuse it, 15 hours later you reply with a second action, now the night is 55 hours long, the mods ok that and pm to you at 70 hours...at 80 hours you change your mind and send a third pm which they get to see after 95 hours....but hang on the night only lasts 48 hours.....suppose the night started on friday and streaker does not get online over the weekend? Sure, you may get lucky and converse by return of pm's, but this could not be guaranteed.

This comment screams noobiness rather than scumminess. I think TWR just doesn't get how mafia works here, to some extent. I'd be careful of lynching him over it.

I find it hard to buy chaulking up not nowing how PMs work to beeing a noob. Sounds allmost more like you defending TWR and the too of you working togeather.

of course i know how pm's work, i also know that this is a game and not real life. Mods and players are not on 24/7 and therefore it cannot be guaranteed that a 5 leg conversation can take place within 24 hours epecially when its played across the world in all time zones....of course its possible, but by giving players roles that require night time conversations with mods is not a good idea if you want the night to finish in 48 hours.

[the white rose]

I believe you.

why?

Nobody makes that shit up, and its not like it defines his alignment anyway. Its somewhat questionable that you are pushing to lynch him for his "poor" role claim rather than making any comment on his alignment.

I'll look at vote count tomorrow, but its likely that I will be switching my switchable vote to you White Rose.

Yeh...I want a claim from him.

unfortunately right at the moment i am under a post restriction not to claim....that may change as the day goes on.

ok then i guess you get lynched

thats very short sighted of you, think about it, cannot say anymore at this moment in time.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

white rose IS a newb. Me and Streaker both tried to lynch him in one of the games despite him having a confirmed double voting role and having a town cop result, because thats how scummy his actions were. (he'll disagree about his scummyness) However, I do not buy it in this case. White Rose does know that alignment is the important point and not the role itself.

Player is trying to make it appear like he doesnt understand the voting effect. Either he isnt reading, or he knew too much and is pretending otherwise. This is at least the second post in which he has tried to act ignorant.

Storr - I prefer that we start thinking up some benefical effects to be used instead. Sausages logic is flawed, but he isnt the most experienced player. Many of the games he has been in have been badly affected by absent players not voting, so I can see his point of view.