[Official] NBC Mafia Town Win MVP=trinicardinal

[MeDeFe]

I am of the opinion that not everything needs an acronym.

[strike wolf]

I am of the opinion that not everything needs an acronym.

UMBROUMBW

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

Rodion (8)- strike, jonty, Mob, betiko, epitaph, Leitz, Dazza, chap
strike(1)- Rodion


Rodion has been lynched, scene coming up.

Apologies for the late scene, I was watching Sherlock Holmes last night (awesome) and my internet went out.

[safariguy5]

Scene

As the day dawned, everyone milled around and discussed the deaths of the night. At this point, everyone was pretty sure who the unsavory spirits were, but nobody was sure of their identity.

Finally, one person claimed that he knew something and proceeded to accuse another person. Everyone quickly decided that one of these two was probably up to no good, and the accuser was eventually put under the spotlight.

He finally claimed that he was a bomb, and there was a lot of discussion about who should kill him. Finally, one person volunteered, and pulled the lever.

And waited...and waited....and waited.

Finally, everyone realized that the person was clowning around, and all they had was a dead body.

Rodion, Clown with a Tear Away Face, Vanilla Townie has been lynched!

It is now Night 2, 48 hours to send in your night actions.

[safariguy5]

Scene

As night descended, the residents of Halloweentown settled down for another uneasy night of sleep. If one of their own could so blatantly lie to them, who could they really trust?

A large bag-like creature snuck up on his target. As he prepared to engulf the victim in the folds of his bag, a white, emaciated quadriped whisked his target away and dropped another person in the bed.

Surprised by this turn of events, the killer still carried out his grim duty and enveloped the new target.

Swifte, Dr. Finkelstein, Town Doctor has been killed!

It is now Day 3! With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

[Leitz]

Wow!

[MeDeFe]

ok, so the doctor got busdriven right into the insectile folds of Oogie-Boogie.

Not good.

[betiko]

so I guess you mean if swifte's dead he wasn't directly targeted and we won't get info from the watcher?:cry:
what did jimfinn learned?
so we lost 4 towns including the doc, we can't afford not to catch a scum today guys!!

[Epitaph1]

Yeah, that has busdriver written all over it.

[strike wolf]

Yes it was definitely a busdriver. It's imperative we lynch correctly today. We cannot afford a no lynch and we cannot rush a lynch.

Rodion's actions were not good for town. I stick by that. Not every case is worth bringing up (I.e. safari's joke vote case) and you should never fake claim bomb as town. Not only for the implications mentioned yesterday but because Rodion has lost credibility in claiming bomb in future games.

Anyways, I have a couple suspects but I will need to reread what they've said to pull together any cases.

[betiko]

Yes it was definitely a busdriver. It's imperative we lynch correctly today. We cannot afford a no lynch and we cannot rush a lynch.

Rodion's actions were not good for town. I stick by that. Not every case is worth bringing up (I.e. safari's joke vote case) and you should never fake claim bomb as town. Not only for the implications mentioned yesterday but because Rodion has lost credibility in claiming bomb in future games.

Anyways, I have a couple suspects but I will need to reread what they've said to pull together any cases.

well I see that my instincts were correct, I said that he was very likely VT fakeclaiming bomb which seemed to be a good survival move in my opinion, even after he told me a town never fakeclaims. It explains why he was such a loose canon baiting people to lynch him.
I'm gonna look more carefully into what happened after his claim. I hope the watcher will keep heads down cause he must have nothing, but i m looking forward to hear from jim that might have some good news.
it seems like the scum got bloody lucky about swifte and I bet they wouldn't ve expected such a great catch.
The "good news" is that with less townies we have more chances to catch one of them today oddswise..

[MoB Deadly]

Hey guys, I cant post now I should be able to tonight, or if not definitely tomorrow. But I have to say



It sucks we lost the doc, but it's not the worst situation. Bus drivers can be more powerful than docs if they got a good scumdar.

We won't have any watcher results because they would have been swapped with whoever the mafia actually targeted. I hope Jim got a guilty investigation tonight, we need something to swing our way.

[betiko]

one more thing; I'm tempted to say that both chap and dazza are most probably innocent. no one believed my VT suspicion on rodion and these guys went for a scumcatch. a scum would've been too afraid of the bomb possibility to do the move. dazza would've clearly stayed on his last lyncher position if chap hadn't voted.
There is no such role that can tell a mafia which role has a particular player right? As from what I know, there is no way a mafia could've known on day 2 that rodion was not a bomb for sure.

Here are the roles I still think that are in play:
zero, town watcher
sally and jack mason/lovers + something else
santa claws: some weird neutral role, i would thing survivor
shock, lock and barrel, mafia goons
oogie boogie, godfather + something else
monster under the bed, bus driver

so I'd say there are still 2VTs, 1 cop, 1 town watcher, 1 bus driver, 3 goons, 1 godfather, 1 survivor, 2 town masons.

[trinicardinal]

Holy Crap ,

scum got too lucky there! We definitely need to catch some scum today. I'm still on vacation but I'll try to make some time to run through the posts and sort out who migth be possible. I hope jim has some good news for us too.

[trinicardinal]

a quick review of my notes show the following people as the most likely suspects and they are the ones that I will try to put together information on as soon as I can

shieldgenerator7
jonty125
strike
Leitz
MoB
Epitaph

others that we are likely to accept as town are

MeDeFe
betiko
chap
dazza

trinicardinal - I know I am town but it is up to you to decide whether you believe that or not. I am willing to stand up to any questions once you give me some time to answer and don't bandwagon given that I am on vacation.

[betiko]

how dead is all this after all what happened since the lynch; rodion+swifte cases.. I know it's christmas and that we are all hanging to jimfinn's post (as in the begining of day2 but for verryyy diferent reasons lol). still surprised to see so little reactions.
mostly about rodion as we were all dying to know what he really was during a whole month. About swifte we can't say much more for now I admit, but no one else has nothing to say about the rodion case, it has nothing to do with jimfinn's investigation:?:

Strike, I do think we've learned things with rodion's fakeclaim. people wanting to hammer or not IS interesting. The day 2 became much longer, but I don't really see how rodion's action were a big prejudice to the town. Only because it COULD have turned bad, but it didn't. What was a bad idea was to gang up on him in the first place for the case he brought up, that was kind of a simple question with a twist, but became a mountain. You seem to put all the blame on him for his own death because he dared to make a case on you.

[trinicardinal]

how dead is all this after all what happened since the lynch; rodion+swifte cases.. I know it's christmas and that we are all hanging to jimfinn's post (as in the begining of day2 but for verryyy diferent reasons lol). still surprised to see so little reactions.
mostly about rodion as we were all dying to know what he really was during a whole month. About swifte we can't say much more for now I admit, but no one else has nothing to say about the rodion case, it has nothing to do with jimfinn's investigation:?:

Strike, I do think we've learned things with rodion's fakeclaim. people wanting to hammer or not IS interesting. The day 2 became much longer, but I don't really see how rodion's action were a big prejudice to the town. Only because it COULD have turned bad, but it didn't. What was a bad idea was to gang up on him in the first place for the case he brought up, that was kind of a simple question with a twist, but became a mountain. You seem to put all the blame on him for his own death because he dared to make a case on you.

so far everyone that strike has made a case against has turned out to be town or very likely town as far as I can tell. its a reason he is high on my list to check out. also he was very adamant about not hammering and not pushing for the hammer on day 2 (leaving it to the volunteers instead) on the basis that we didn't want to expose another power role. Since he was the most likely person to be pressured next I take that to mean that he was soft claiming a power role and I have to say that I am a bit uncertain about that soft claim at this point in time. I still have to make some time to go through his posts and organise the case though. I'll do this when I can manage

[Epitaph1]

You'll have to give me another day or two before I'll have the proper amount of time to go through everything. Hopefully by then, we'll have heard from jim.

[MoB Deadly]

Hey, I as well need another day or two before I can fully dive back into this, but I just wanted to note...

I am not sure as to why Rodion even claimed bomb. Yes it could have worked if we found scum that was unwilling to hammer, but then what if they defended themselves as much as Strike did about not hammering? Anyone could have said that....

So out of that, we got the info that Chap and Dazza are both most likely Vanilla. Thats not guaranteed of course, and chap is "more clear" than Dazza but we definitely outed 2 non-power town roles.

I guess that narrowed things down for Jim and any other potential scum detecting abilities, but it also narrowed things down for the Mafia as well. They know two players that are not power roles.

Not sure that claiming bomb was necessarily better than just taking the lynch as a VT.

[trinicardinal]

I've tried to get all of the contributino from Leitz for day 2 and they are quoted below without any comments (for everyone's convenience). Considering the highly active day 2 that we had Leitz said surprisingly little - both in quantity and in substance. It almost seems like a form of active submarining. I haven't seen to many scum tells but then again he hasn't said much to be able to drop many tells overall. certainly one to keep an eye on though.

Alright, so night 1 took a townie out. Most of us were convincend BG was talking the truth, as turned out to be. Despite all the action, nothing big was revealed accept that the doc claim didn't ensure a doc kill. Good news for town!

As far as Day 2 has been going on, I've been keeping a close eye on all posts and FOS/votes. So far I'm retaining my vote until a bigger case (the trini/chap case seems a bit overkill to me) will come up. It is still early and there is no real deadline so I'll be waiting to see how everybody reacts on the FOS/votes.

Jimfinn finally showed some sign of life, but ignored all of the FOS towards him and then just left. Unless he starts defending his case:

Unvote, vote jimfinn

Just so everybody knows, I'm following this thread daily despite not posting every time. About the Rodion/strike case, it is an unbalanced case based on a mods jokevote. I'm of the belief that safari, seeing he is mod, should be smart enough not to let things slip in posts in other topics about this game so I will not pull to hard on this. Jim and MeDeFe are the most quiet in this game, but jimfinn his posts have not convinced me changing votes. He says he only posts when he gets excited, but after all we've had some claims in D1, some nice activity here on D2 and his arguements just aren't well constructed. Unless he manages to change my mind, my vote stays. MeDeFe will also have to show some more activity and explain his inactivity in the conversations.

I find it really suspicious that jimfinn keeps reading, but never responds to any cries for activity. Either he is just hoping to get a medal without any effor or interest in the game, or he is submarining way too obviously, or some other weird reason none of us understand.Basically, I don't see much use of him in this game as he brings no value to it..

Ok guys, sorry for my recent inactivitiy. I had a very busy week at school and barely managed to play all my games. I just had time to catch up:

- Unvote (My vote was still on jilmfinn)
- I cannot help but feel suspicious about the rodion - betiko case. I was the first to bring it up on day 1 and have kept it in my mind ever since and I really keep getting the impression betiko is blatantly following Rodions moves, defending him, ... I don't quite know how to react on Rodions claim. Town lost already 2 players so losing another one could be hard for town to get back on top in this game. For now, I will be keeping specifically an eye on betiko (FOS).

I agree with everybody else. I believe it is necessary for the game that Rodion should be lynched. There are a lot of people unsure about his claim, he is been an point of discussion from the beginning of this game and although some don't believe in the Rodion case (the scum??), most of us haven't been convinced about Rodion being innocent.

That would leave us deciding one more thing: dazza or chap?

Wow, I had some catching up to do while I only missed 1/2 days. The whole strike/Rodion discussion has made it even harder for me to decide who I would like to vote. I think, like the rest of us, it's mostly voting using our instinct as we have no real certainty on anybody. What I do know is that Day 2 has been taking a long long time and it is getting a bit out of control as we are turning in circles for the last week or two (since jimfinns claim).

I feel the FoS is the best way to go, so we get two lynches today essentially. We can't not lynch Rodion.

I agree here, although maybe skip the FOS and go to voting immediately.

fastposted by Epitaph1

Vote Count

Rodion (6)- strike, chap, jonty, Mob, betiko, epitaph
strike(1)- Rodion


With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Activity is good, but the game is stalling. Deadline in 5 days. Day will end on Wednesday, December 21st, Midnight PST.

Person with the highest number of votes will be lynched.

We're letting this drag! Rodion is two votes away, so we either let dazza or chap hammer, correct? I trust neither of them really..

To be honest, I have no idea! Day 2 has been dragging on for so long, we haven't really had any case besides Rodions and his (fake) claim has forced us to lynch somebody, while actually we're not certain of who to lynch to hammer..

To be honest, I have no idea! Day 2 has been dragging on for so long, we haven't really had any case besides Rodions and his (fake) claim has forced us to lynch somebody, while actually we're not certain of who to lynch to hammer..

interesting. what you are saying basically is that hammering is getting lynched?

No, I just meant that we must find somebody who we all (most of us) feel comfortable to hammer or find somebody we want lynched.

Unvote, vote Rodion

Let's get this day over with! Chap hammer Rodion.

[trinicardinal]

ok so I've done sg7's posts for Day2 below as well.. he has also suffered from some posting shyness it seems. Also his second to last post he says that we should continue looking ("pursue another lead" but no where do I see him making any kind of effort at looking constructively. and he only had one post after that where he FOS's strike but umm.. well strikes it out while giving a reasoning to continue. if he felt that strongly why not start on strike since he was starting to FOS's him anyway? Either way he's another one to look at I think.

Trini, do you understand what it means to be FASTPOSTED? Because from your defense it doesn't seem like it.

Fixed in red for better understandability.

I don't see a case either way between chap and trini. It seems trini and chap have both been inactive and I think trini defended well (if in fact everything he said was true), and chap just ignores his defense. I do believe his case against trini was OMGUS, but I'll have to look into it further, plus find a case.

About last night's kill, I find it very hard to believe there's only one killing role in this game. In the previous game (team CC) there were more than one killing role, the mafia + Com9's role, and JOAT vig shot, meta-gaming leads me to believe there can't be just mafia here. So I suspect either a vig that didn't shoot N1 or some role got roleblocked.

-SG7 ( )

Alright! I've just caught up this game, and see that many have voted jimfinn for inactivty. Also, I have started making a log of posts and such. After what happened in memebase, I'm determined to get my facts straight.

i too find jimfinn's initial responses funny, but he has since replied to the later cases. Hopefully his activty (and several others') will be good. I'm finding it very difficult to get a read on him.

-SG7 ( )

Yeah, I was refering to my lynching due to the LAL rule from memebase mafia.

Anyway, I find it suspicous that Rodion is using another language to communicate to players in this game. It's probably game related, as if it wasn't, rodion would probably tell betiko whatever it was in private. right? So I find that suspicious, especially because in Team CC mafia a similar tactic was made with secret code to communicate amongst cult members during the day. VOTE RODION for secret communication.

-SG7 ( )

hey, I'm waaay... behind. I just finished page 40.

I'll try to get cuaght up here soon.

-SG7 ( )

Alright! Caught up! About hammering Rodion: obviously Rodion won't hammer himself, there is logic behind it but it may also be a survival tactic. If we have a VT hammer, we lose 1 town bomb and 1 VT, not a big loss except for the fact mafia has a higher chance of hitting power roles at night. We know mafia won't hammer, because there's no way hammering a bomb can help them. Chap and dazza have offered to hammer. Asking either one of them to hammer means (A) we find out if they're bluffing or not, but (B) we would lose 2 townies (as already stated). I would like to FOS chap and dazza, because Mafia could easily offer to hammer the bomb to prove townishness to gain brownie points with the town. More FOS dazza then chap, for being the second offer, and for claiming under no pressure. But yeah we don't want all the VTs to claim right now because Mafia would know who to target at night. And claiming VT is also a very easy claim for Mafia, seeing how there is evidence of VTs being in the game. Strike is not willing to hammer, either because (A)he is a town power role, (B) he is mafia, or (C) he is a survivor. He says he doesn't want to hammer because he thinks we should test chap's offer to hammer, but there might also be an underlying motive for not wanting to hammer. Also, I have some specualtion about night actions (yes, I'm doing exactly what strike and rodion did): It is logical for the busdriver to busdrive Rodion with someone tonight, because then Mafia has a chance of hitting the town bomb instead of a power role. But if the mafia take this into consideration, they might target rodion knowing they'll get someone else. So I advise the busdriver to not busdrive rodion tonight. About betiko and Rodion, I forgot what I said about this earlier, but I don't get the connection. As rodion said, its meta-gaming wifom and not a strong case. But I must say that bomb is a clever fakeclaim from Rodion if he isn't actually bomb. I was disbelieving at first, remembering saf's bomb fakeclaim in teamCC (he ended up being a cultie), but then remembered he actually was town bomb (correct me if I'm wrong), so I don't doubt there would be a bomb again in an official game. Yes, metagaming, but was there a bomb in Futurama? Also I must say it is interesting to see two legendary Mafia members like Strike and Rodion battle each other.
FASTPOSTED
-SG7 ( )

CRASH! I got fastposted and then my spacing got all mixed up! Sorry for the big block of continuous text, but NMF!

-SG7 ( )

Ok, don't mean to poison the punch but I don't think we'll get 2 "lynches" in today.

If the person we FOS is scum, he will consider hammering the bomb, and see that if Rodion's claim is true, that he will have a 100% chance of dying. BUt, if he refuses to hammer, then there is a possibility that he may be lynched. This depends on whether or not town believes his excuse for not hammering, and how effectively town can rally a lynch, and how strong it is against Rodion's case.

Now, what if Rodion is fakeclaiming? He seems to be acting and discussing as if he really is the town bomb, and since there has been one in past official games and there has been no counterclaim, I'm inclined to believe him (although I'm pretty gullible when it comes to fakeclaims). But if his claim is fake, then the person we FOS will hammer (let's just assume this) and Rodion will die and we have a cleared townie (or a clever scum who saw thru Rodion's claim).

But I'd say it's more than likely that if we ask someone to hammer it'll be some sort of townie, or maybe some kind of jester role (tho one of those in this game is unlikely), or possibly a bullet proof survivor (IMO unlikely).

So I really Doubt that we'll get to control 2 lynches today, but I think this FOS thing might be helpful in finding scum, or like strike keeps saying, exposing power roles. But any kind of FOS or VOTE pressure in this way has the potential to expose pwoer roles, so.... whatthium do you want us to do strike?!?! NO LYNCH?!?! I really don't see how we can possibly have a lynch without potentially exposing power roles.

....and I think this Rodion case should be dropped for now. In case he is bomb, maybe we can investigate him tonight and see if he's telling the truth... but that opens up a whole new can of beans with busdrivers and all...

Yeah, so I'm still at a loss of where to go next. I don't think pressuring Rodion will help us all that much, so UNVOTE.

And much to strike's disappointment, I say we pursue another lead for now, while keeping Rodion in mind.

FASTPOSTED

-SG7 ( )

whoa that was a lot of reading. Haven't been online mich and catching up is going to be a chore.

So we have a deadline on the 21st ok.

I FOS Strike because he said he woudln't hammer. I wonder why? Town power role or scum? Never mind I probably should have better grounds for FOSing him.

And whoever said town was in a desperate position right now, I disagree as we have only 2 VTs dead. That does not constitute a big emergency in my mind. Even if a townie hammers rodion and rodion is town, and we lose 2 townies tonight, we still have 12 players left, and only 30% scum (assuming 4 mafia).
However, if we pursue another case we might be able to have 1 mafia die, leaving us with 13 players left tomorrow, and 25% scum. If we pursue another lead and its town, then its 30% scum tomorrow. This is assuming 2 townies die at night.

-SG7 ( )

[trinicardinal]

sorry for a third consecutive post folks but I meant to add this on at the end of the previous post and forgot.... I'm tired and need to go to sleep. Anyway I have not checked to see what activity Leitz and sg7 has in other mafia games/forums/cc games during the Day 2 period. i'd appreciate it if someone can check it for me. if not I'll have to do it when I have some more time

[MoB Deadly]

Just offhand this is what I know about SG7. I was forced to replace him in the game I am modding. But I think I have stricter rules though about activity, if I have to prod more than once or twice I will not hesitate to replace to keep the game integrity, I do not balance games for inactives. (Nothing against you Safari, he signed up fair and square, if he posts once a month or once a day is up to him. Its just my viewpoint on things)

Umm hes also in a couple other games I think:
(Added after research: Holy Crap! SG7 is in 6 other games not including this one. He clearly bit off more than he could chew.)

Squirrel Masters Mafia - He has ZERO posts after confirm.
Memebase Mafia - He was lynched on Day 4 - I did not research his post tendencies.
FF7 Mafia - 3 posts since game start. Dec 12, Dec 17, and Dec 17 again. First was a jokevote, second was stating hes never played FF7, and 3rd post was welcoming Comm9 back. So nothing of value.
Soundman's First Mafia - More active it seems, with 5 posts after confirm. 3 Jokeposts, 2 posts in December: Dec 11 and Dec 17. Both are "meh" posts, I don't find anything of value here, but he does make comments about current cases.
Stool Pigeon Mafia - Very Very active in October and November. However only 2 posts in December: Dec 1st and Dec 12, which December 12 was a "I am catching up post"
MTG:Planeswalkers Mafia - Umm I have no idea what MTG is so I may sound dumb.... but again very active in November here, 3-5 posts in December, and these seem to be much better posts than I have seen in other games.

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Leitz, I know nothing about.... and I did searches and did not see him in any other game. If someone could double check that would be great...


So.... do we really want to take this route?

Pursue SG7 who has clearly been pretty inactive in December, because it will take at the minimum a prod for him to come back and at least pick someone to vote.

or... Do we pursue Leitz who I do not have any clue to his mafia history. Maybe he is just medal hunting and kind of going with the flow?

I feel like either one of these could be scum and just submarining, letting the other scum members do the handiwork.... I feel like both of these are not great choices, and will be like pulling teeth to get them to post their opinion.. respond to pressure... etc etc..... But then are they really helping us lynch scum at all? Like SG7's vote on Rodion was for using French to talk to Betiko, is he hurting us more than helping us? Is Leitz helping? I feel like he is not making any decision's on his own either, and kind of following the crowd blindly.


Im off to bed too...

[MoB Deadly]

Okay guys... I am sitting in bed not tired at all so I decided to get a couple of votecounts to see if we can uncover any scum votes this way....


This was when Strike and BG were going at it, and Betiko made some weird comments:

Vote Count

Leitz
MoB Deadly
Rodion
jimfinn
shieldgenerator7
jonty125
dazza2008
trinicardinal
Swifte
drunkmonkey
BGtheBrain (6)- strike, jonty, Rodion, MeDeFe, MoB, Swifte
Epitaph1
betiko (4) - Leitz, drunkmonkey, chapcrap, BGtheBrain
MeDeFe
chapcrap (2) - betiko, trini
strike wolf

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline in 4 Days.

Then we started focusing on Swifte for being totally not committal and not contributing. There were some votes... this is an unofficial vote count because Safari was not present to give us a vote count before Swifte claimed and we started to unvote...

Vote Count

Leitz
MoB Deadly
Rodion
jimfinn
shieldgenerator7
jonty125
dazza2008
trinicardinal
Swifte (7, L-2)- BGtheBrain, drunkmonkey, Dazza2008, Epitaph1, chapcrap, betiko, MoB Deadly
drunkmonkey
BGtheBrain (5)- strike, jonty, Rodion, MeDeFe, Swifte
Epitaph1
betiko (1) - Leitz
MeDeFe
chapcrap (1) - trini
strike wolf

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Then Swifte Claims.


BG case gets rekindled and we lynch him...

Vote Count

Leitz
MoB Deadly
Rodion
jimfinn
shieldgenerator7
jonty125
dazza2008
trinicardinal
Swifte
drunkmonkey
BGtheBrain (9)- strike, jonty, Rodion, MeDeFe, Swifte, betiko, chap, MoB, BG
Epitaph1
betiko (1) - Leitz
MeDeFe
chapcrap
strike wolf

BG has been lynched! Scene coming up.

Day 2:
Votes were split between Jimfinn and Rodion

Vote Count

jimfinn(6)- betiko, Leitz, trini, MoB, Epitaph, dazza
Rodion(5)- jonty, strike, chap, shield, MeDeFe

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Then Jimfinn Claims....

We argue some more, and we decide to make Rodion claim... here are the votes before he claims. These are unofficial, there was no vote count right before the claim.

Vote Count

jimfinn (1)- Leitz
Rodion (7, L-1)- strike, chap, shield, MeDeFe, Jonty, jimfinn, MoB Deadly
chapcrap(1)- Rodion, Betiko

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Then Rodion claims....

Then like 400 pages later that I skipped. (I refuse to read that again)... Rodion gets lynched

Vote Count

Rodion (8)- strike, jonty, Mob, betiko, epitaph, Leitz, Dazza, chap
strike(1)- Rodion


Rodion has been lynched, scene coming up.

Definitely sleepy after that! haha

[Leitz]

I've tried to get all of the contributino from Leitz for day 2 and they are quoted below without any comments (for everyone's convenience). Considering the highly active day 2 that we had Leitz said surprisingly little - both in quantity and in substance. It almost seems like a form of active submarining. I haven't seen to many scum tells but then again he hasn't said much to be able to drop many tells overall. certainly one to keep an eye on though.

It is true that I'm not really a multi poster. I read this thread pretty often, but will mostly only say something when I know what to say. For example with the whole Rodion case I wasn't sure what to think (fake-claim or not), and that doubt had restricted me in posting because what can you say if you're not sure?

Leitz, I know nothing about.... and I did searches and did not see him in any other game. If someone could double check that would be great...

That is correct, I've played some mafia games on other sites but this is my first one on CC.


As you can see from MoB last post, I am not the one to hop on the train when a new case arrives. I prefer to consider my vote until I know exactly what the whole case is about and if I feel it is a valid vote. If I believe I found a new case, of course I will bring it up. I was the one who started the betiko-Rodion suspicion in Day 1. It might have been a wrong suspicion, but that was a lead that I felt we good follow at that time.