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[the white rose]

white rose IS a newb. Me and Streaker both tried to lynch him in one of the games despite him having a confirmed double voting role and having a town cop result, because thats how scummy his actions were.

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and why weren't you successful? cos no-one else believed you and in fact you were both lynched for your mistakes. Do you really want to make the same mistake again?

[CatchersMitt14]

night actions are just that, actions that you send in, the mods get them all together and produce a night scene. It is impractical to hold night time conversations....for example, night lasts for 48 hours, after 30 hours you send them the first pm, after 40 hours they refuse it, 15 hours later you reply with a second action, now the night is 55 hours long, the mods ok that and pm to you at 70 hours...at 80 hours you change your mind and send a third pm which they get to see after 95 hours....but hang on the night only lasts 48 hours.....suppose the night started on friday and streaker does not get online over the weekend? Sure, you may get lucky and converse by return of pm's, but this could not be guaranteed.

This comment screams noobiness rather than scumminess. I think TWR just doesn't get how mafia works here, to some extent. I'd be careful of lynching him over it.

I find it hard to buy chaulking up not nowing how PMs work to beeing a noob. Sounds allmost more like you defending TWR and the too of you working togeather.

of course i know how pm's work, i also know that this is a game and not real life. Mods and players are not on 24/7 and therefore it cannot be guaranteed that a 5 leg conversation can take place within 24 hours epecially when its played across the world in all time zones....of course its possible, but by giving players roles that require night time conversations with mods is not a good idea if you want the night to finish in 48 hours.

I didn't say you werre unaware of how PMs work, Mets did. Mets' attemt and defense at passing off your coment as a noob mistake was the main point of my last comment. It came of to me as him working to hard to coffer for you.

I understnad you're example is a possibility, however and extremely unlikeley and outlandish one from the bery beginning. Taking 30 hours just to sent the first PM, highly unlikley especially considering the majority of peeple here have to logg in at least once every 24 hours to make their mooves.

[StorrZerg]

maybe... but im talking about him being creative with his power... it has 0 good attribute to town... And i don't see it being effective towards town. Its only going to be good latter in the game, if he can assure to give the vote power to town.

[Falkomagno]

but there is something bad about whatsausage claim, even if people believe it. The power on day two, which makes that people can have two votes is clearly beneficial for mafia. In that way they can easily lynch a town, with much less effort.

[StorrZerg]

again, reducing # of votes needed to lynch, will NEVER be beneficial to town, it only accelerates the game in favor of mafia. (in the sense that they can win earlier, because they can reach majority sooner)

[the white rose]

One possible power is to reduce the number of votes required for a lynch. On days 1 and 2, this would reduce the votes required by 4

and yet you said in your original claim that you could reduce the number of votes required for a lynch on either day 1 or 2
now you say on both days....thats the problem when you tell lies you have to remember the lies you have already told so as not to catch yourself out later

[Metsfanmax]

I didn't say you werre unaware of how PMs work, Mets did.

No, I did not. My comment did not say that TWR is unaware of how PMs work. So why are you telling blatant lies?

[the white rose]

There were a few examples in my role, including that I could reduce the vote count required for lynch by 4 on D1 or D2

[Iron Butterfly]

Of course Sausage will say he is Town.

The argument of the double votes would help mafia IF they were the only faction.

I highly suspect we have Cult, mafia and several third parties.

I think Mafia and cult are less concerned about a speed lynch and would rather be content to make it to evening.

I see Mets and WR joined as well.

[Metsfanmax]

One possible power is to reduce the number of votes required for a lynch. On days 1 and 2, this would reduce the votes required by 4

and yet you said in your original claim that you could reduce the number of votes required for a lynch on either day 1 or 2
now you say on both days....thats the problem when you tell lies you have to remember the lies you have already told so as not to catch yourself out later

Stop with this nonsense. The word "or" is not always used exclusively. But even if he is restricted to only using the power once, the above comment is just explaining how it would work on day 1 or day 2, it doesn't imply that the power can be used on both days. You're just making yourself look foolish right now.

[the white rose]

oh well, it seems that if i post regularly i am foolish or scummy, and yet if i don't post often enough i am accused of being scum in any case.

they seems to be 2 ways town play, one is to scum hunt and not worry about how they look to others, while some are too scarred to post in case they are accused of being scummy. I am very much in the former.

However, i have made my point, you will see in the fullness of time that sausage is not town.....benga's check was correct, that leaves ib as in sausages camp.

wait and see, then i will accept your apologies.

until then i will shut up as it seems i am annoying more people than aladdin and that is saying something!

My next post will be to claim just as soon as my post restriction allows

[Metsfanmax]

I'm not normally the type of person to tell others how to play. But right now what you're doing is only getting you lynched and I don't want that because I do not think you are mafia. I've already publicly stated my skepticism that Whatsausage is not town, but how many times do we have to say that he can be telling the truth about his role and still not be town?

[CatchersMitt14]

night actions are just that, actions that you send in, the mods get them all together and produce a night scene. It is impractical to hold night time conversations....for example, night lasts for 48 hours, after 30 hours you send them the first pm, after 40 hours they refuse it, 15 hours later you reply with a second action, now the night is 55 hours long, the mods ok that and pm to you at 70 hours...at 80 hours you change your mind and send a third pm which they get to see after 95 hours....but hang on the night only lasts 48 hours.....suppose the night started on friday and streaker does not get online over the weekend? Sure, you may get lucky and converse by return of pm's, but this could not be guaranteed.

This comment screams noobiness rather than scumminess. I think TWR just doesn't get how mafia works here, to some extent. I'd be careful of lynching him over it.

I find it hard to buy chaulking up not nowing how PMs work to beeing a noob. Sounds allmost more like you defending TWR and the too of you working togeather.

I didn't say you werre unaware of how PMs work, Mets did.

No, I did not. My comment did not say that TWR is unaware of how PMs work. So why are you telling blatant lies?

It's not a blatent lie, it's exactly how I interpreted your commnet which is the pint of this game. If it's not what you ment, then you either need to clarify or be more specifik next thyme.

[the white rose]

benga's investigation is faulty somehow, as I know I am not anti-town.

wheither the rest of his claim his truthful or not, this bit is a lie.

please do not be fooled.

[PLAYER57832]

UNVOTE the white rose, VOTE CatchersMitt14
I am going to go out on a limb, and say that I think there are at least 2, if not 3 alliances. I am pretty suspicious of several people here. That said, voting alone does not do me much good, soo...

Catcher may be town, but is acting rather antagonistic to various folks for what does not seem legitimate game reasons. If nothing else, seems that eliminating this person will give us some real information. If I am wrong, then I expect I will be a target soon, but at that point, I suspect town will be on the verge of losing anyway, because of all the factions.

And.. yes, I could well be completely and utterly off-base, but I guess that is the fun of mafia. Not sure why I never played before, except that the regular CC games kept me busy.

by the way -- I am a "she", not a "he" -- lol

[ptlowe]

unvote and unvote again, if that works, vote TWR for one and Aladdin for the other

I agree with Stor on Aladdin, Hes antagonizing many and very inconsistent. I happy enough lynching him. TWR I think is scum since D1.


SAUSAGE, ask you with your god powers to kill mitch, that way only one has to die and not many with trying to lynch. Just a thought. Also if Mitch is shot he should die anyways.

[Iron Butterfly]

benga's investigation is faulty somehow, as I know I am not anti-town.

wheither the rest of his claim his truthful or not, this bit is a lie.

please do not be fooled.

For the first time I believe you are Town.

He speaks like a frustrated Town player who has information beneficial to Town while others try to crucify him.

[Falkomagno]

again, reducing # of votes needed to lynch, will NEVER be beneficial to town, it only accelerates the game in favor of mafia. (in the sense that they can win earlier, because they can reach majority sooner)

Exactly my point. That modification or is a gross mistake or is clearly mafia motivated

[StorrZerg]

Whatsausage case....

Early game, doesn't really talk about any players

Alright it's still early, so I don't have much for reads.
Storr is acting about how I normally expect, not sure how alignment indicative that is though, so I'll say slightly town

In a game this size, it is so incredibly easy for players to slide way under the radar.
I've seen this instituted in other large games, where each player has someone to keep track of to try and keep activity up. The easiest way seems to be the player below you on the signup list. For example, falko is below me, and he is yet to post after his confirmation post.

@Falko, care to join us?

While his suggestion of keeping track of people is nice, he isn't acking Falko to join in on anything in particular, just an activity nudge.

I win as long as he is dead by endgame, weather I die or not.

I am Town. He is a survivor.

Umm... in what world has this ever been the definition of town?

Thank you /, I had the exact same thought reading that. Also confusing: he stated after hotshot's "claim" that he was 100% sure that hotshot had to survive until the end of the game and calls him a survivor. He then says that he forgot to add that he doesn't think hotshot is a survivor

Interested in playing both sides of IB vs Hotshot. He is currently voting hotshot, because

I don't think we will get anything better than IB's claim to go on today. I will unvote vote hotshot.

While i "agree" with the sentiment, overall it seems like the easy way out. He isn't interested in generating something else, he isn't interested in finding mafia. To me it appears to be faking involvement.

I am a little pissed as to why pt is suggesting that i may be scum simply cos i have not posted as much in this game as i did in my first game.

Even though i am posting much more than most.

there are many who have posted very little if anything at all. I would wager that that is where we will find scum lurking.

as for the ib v hotshot saga, i am surprised at the weak defence from hotshot. Something here just does not sit right with me. what chance has hotshot been given at winning? if he is survivor and ib's role is to lynch him.

Could ib be scum? surely if he were he would have settled into the background and not fake claimed at the start of day 1.
Could hotshot be scum and could ib know that? would seem awfully unfair on hotshot if that were the case.

all we are told by ib is that hotshot will be harmful to town.....how would he know that? he will not say.

I think what we have to decide is do we believe hotshot's claim of survivor?

If he were a danger to town, surely he would have claimed something much more useful to town? such as doctor or tracker....had he have claimed that would we still be lynching him? i would say we would not take the risk of possibly lynching a town tracker.....so if he is fake claiming why not claim a town pr and survive? thats what i would do.

therefore i am inclined to believe hotshot's claim.

so it follows that i do not believe he is a danger to town, therefore i cannot believe ib.

I may be wrong but for now i would prefer to lynch someone who is sitting quietly in the background. I don't care who, its a potshot, but i think by doing that we are much more likely to lynch a scum. lynching hotshot now would be the same as voting nolynch, who cares whether a 3p survivor survives or not? lets not waste our chance of finding scum.

unvote

It seems like every post you make, you make a stronger statement about how you are posting. Yes you have posted a number of times, but almost all the meat is after pt called you out. Before that you were doing alright in a numerical sense, but the posts were low on substance, and not making a lasting impact (particularly to pt it appears). The point I'm trying to make is, why be pissed at pt, when that suggestion was at a point where you made less of an impression than you did in a game he played with you in which you were town? No one is hard-calling you scum, pt just suggested that your impact was more like games in which you have been scum than like games in which you have been town. (I have only been in one game with you, so I can't really comment on your meta, but I can agree with pt that at the point in which he made that statement, you weren't making much by way of an impression.)

If you feel strongly that someone posting less is scum, pick one and press the issue. I have seen a few say that time is too low to look anywhere new; there are 8 days left, that is longer than many days in their entirety.

The way I see it, either IB or hotshot is misleading us (or both). If you believe hotshot is just a vanilla survivor, then you should vote for IB. If you don't, then you should vote for hotshot, as he is either a liar or a threat to town.

I agree that it doesn't seem right that hotshot would just be given up as a survivor like that, but I also agree that IB likely wouldn't come out like this if he didn't know it to be true. (This isn't to say that makes him pro-town.) I think given these two things, hotshot is a better lynch. I don't think he would claim some town PR like you suggest, as then he would have to fabricate actions and justification every day, while running the risk of being NK'ed. A survivor would want to seem like they aren't a threat to anyone.

If you think that IB is lying, I don't really understand why you aren't voting for him. There are plenty of ways he could be scum. The way I see it, at least one of IB and hotshot is anti-town, and I think that 50-50 odds are much better than your potshot.

@IB, when did you receive this information about hotshot? With your role, or at the end of N0?

I wanted to highlight his usuage of the word scum. This is the first post he has used the word (which in large part has to do with someone else talking about scummy actions). Yet, he isn't really show casing actual interests. He is just interested in pointing TWR in a path to take. TWR is reacting to pressure from PT, yet whatsausage takes not interest in developing this comment, only to say he is neutral. Again this whole post, is just a "hey you could do this or that" while not giving away what his motivations might be.

Interesting that there was only one death, perhaps there is some validity to there being some insane characters that will come into play soon.

Vote benga, for skimming, and then for trying to vote someone for calling him on it. Weak. Not that pt is totally guilt free of what he called you out for (his post looked like it in included skimming as well), but if you truly think he is scum for it, then you must be extra scum.

His first accusation of someone, on day 2. A little comment about the death, and right into benga. I had to reread this area, because i can't be sure what he is talking about. It wasn't even on the same page.

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This contains benga's reaction to ptlowe. Whatsausages reaction really seems just weak. I mean, really thats it? Whats more funny, is the direction whatsausage goes after this.

Well I can vet Stor's claim on being town because I investigated him last night. BTW since let's kill mafia and win and people are saying its a good idea. I am town cop. Let the claiming begin.

Expect protecting tonight.

I agree with wing, this claim doesn't say much of anything at all. For many reasons.
1. Often times, cop checks will only search for mafia or non-mafia. A "town" result could easily be a third party, especially considering how it appears that an asylum could factor in to the setup.
2. A cop already flipped, (albeit insane) and I would argue that it's possible he was the only "cop" in the game, because he surely wasn't told he was insane. If you had claimed and he was still alive, would we be seeing a situation where an attempted counterclaim where both players are telling the truth as they know it? I don't buy it.
3. In a game this size, cop is an easy scum claim, especially early.

Also, I promised myself (I don't know if I actually posted it in any other games) I would lynch an early unprovoked claim like this. Especially one that doesn't benefit town. Your claim is premature at best.
Unvote vote ptlowe

FP'd 3x
So you are trying to direct protection roles?

No, don't claim away. In my opinion, a massclaim at this point is unfeasible. There are 26(!) players left. Are we going to just lynch anyone that doesn't claim? How do we pick if there are multiple? What benefit does it truly serve?

Forgets about benga, goes back to dealing with ptlowe. Whats the purpose of voting ptlowe? Its "policy" and he says it so. It isn't because he thinks ptlowe is mafia, but because "if someone does this im going to vote them" He isn't looking at the situation. I can't see what ptlowe did as mafia. Its bad play yes. ANd its easy lynch bait.

I'm sorry if my previous post was unclear, I did just mean that I agree with you in that the claim was dumb. The other thoughts are my own. I'm not certain that pt is scum, (though I'm definitely not ruling it out) but I do believe that his claim hurts town. I will admit, a main reason for my vote is policy.

So the question is, after a decent amount of time. What has whatsausage done for contributions to the game? He didn't take a stance on IB vs Hotshot, clearly leaving himself open for either option. Up to this point on day 2, he has jumped on an easy case, blown it off, jumped on an early cop claim over policy. How many people has he read town? How many scum? Few and far between, yet how many people has he given "maybe town maybe scum" ? Several at this point.


His latter posts (to include his claim) Are filled with "options" And no direction of choice.

Storr asked why I thought I may be NK'd. Well that is because that even if I am able to convince the town that I am not the best lynch, I wouldn't be surprised to see a vigilante be a vigilante and take what they believe to be justice into their own hands. Scum also know that I am a PR that isn't on their side, so they may just kill me themselves.

I like the way 3 of my 5 votes so far are from the players I have questioned in this game (benga, twr, pt)
So keep that in mind if I am lynched or NK'd.

fp'd by rishaed

Just speculation, but could make sense
Any other thoughts beyond just throwing speculation out?

These posts don't really match... He talks about being lynched or night killed, but in regards to asking why i thought he would die in the night. He makes the comment before he claims. Everyone has some sort of role to my understanding, so it seems silly to make the comment "mafia would kill me cause they know i'm a pr" yet they don't know what you are at the time of your claim, you are under pressure. He also brings up being vig shot.

ANd for his lasts posts, again he is leaning on killing madmitch who might be jester, and its ok to let him win. he has become disinterested in applying pressure to anyone he thinks is scum, or telling people who he finds town. He asks about if he has been that scummy, yet all i see is someone who is trying to stay away from giving actual input.
What do i want form whatsausage at this point? I want him to give more input on players, taking a stance on them. I dont' want him talking about madmitch, or other claims. I want to know who he finds scummy, and who he believes to be town.

[Iron Butterfly]

That works for me.

What is the VC on sausage? Do we want to lynch? finish the day?

A lynch would also give clarity to Mitch and the 8 ball and benga.

[StorrZerg]

I do not want him lynched yet. I want him to respond to questions. I'd like to use the full day. (Finalize a lynch on the 21st or 22nd )

[AladdinSane]

maybe... but im talking about him being creative with his power... it has 0 good attribute to town... And i don't see it being effective towards town. Its only going to be good latter in the game, if he can assure to give the vote power to town.

I don't tink we shood be too hard on Sausage for the powers he has chosen so far - prob just a case of not tinking thru the implikations, or the posibilities for pro-Town. And I am inklined to believe the gist of his Sleeping God claim.

After sleeping on it, I think I can still get behind a Sausage vote because God Powers + Recruitment into an unknown group = Too Dangerous To Live.

As before I won't vote in case I bring about teh hamer.

My sticky vote is for Skoffin, sio I gess that stays. She hasent posted enuf to get a vibe one way or another - and that's the prob. Still, there are prob higher priority targets. UNVOTE UNVOTE. That should remove my second vote on her.

Storr (and anyone) - How about this level of mispeling? I'm still hoping to find a happy medium that both playas and mods can live with? However, I don't want to take a chance of antagonizing the mods more, since they can Modkill me.

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again, reducing # of votes needed to lynch, will NEVER be beneficial to town, it only accelerates the game in favor of mafia. (in the sense that they can win earlier, because they can reach majority sooner)

I have to disagree with that. Anyone who has played a large mafia game knows that town being unable to lynch because of numbers is a HUGE problem that has ruined many, many games.
Might not be a problem in this game particularly though, since streaker plans on eliminating all stranglers, but I can see Whatsausage's actions in a pro-town light. Whether that is benevolence or subtly is to be seen though.

I can't unvote, but I think we need to determine exactly how useful Whatsausage can be before it's too late. Like could we have some sort of power tomorrow perhaps? Like an investigation or a day vig? Those might be a bit too OP, but maybe something subtly beneficial, like "Whoever hammers gets their role revealed", or something.

[AladdinSane]

Some thorts about other playas. There are several who have been on my radar for a while, but none of them are clear linches at this point.

This game is ackshually very different from the other one I played, where 4/10 playas seemed to be falling over themselves to look the most scummy - Tim, Mitch, DJP, and Soldier4Christ. TWR also looked a bit scummy and was attracting votes. And all 5 turned out to be Town. S4C got linched D1, Tim D2 for role-fission, and DJP came real close. I tink TWR got NKed. Lesson lerned: not evryone who appears skummy from what they wrote is skummy.

On the other hand, Bos (replaced by Benga late in the game) seemed really solid, and didn't get a single vote for the hole game, I think, but was scum. Lesson lerned: not evryone who appears really solid Town is Town.

I've alredy commented on Sausage and Skoffin in the previous post. So:

Storr: Still leaning Town, despite his seething hatred for humor in eny shape or form, and his inability to deel with my PR, but I do have concerns about his push for massclaim erlier, espeshally because I think (unless I have fergoten somting) he has yet to fullclaim himself. How about it, Storr? The result of the massclaim push seems to be just that we got a cupple erly naive claims like PTLOWE coming out as cop. Massclaim push prob had anti-Town effect overall, so I think we have to look at Storr a bit harder. On the other hand, I'm sure people will jump on me for asking Storr to fullclaim. Whatever. Storr might have good reasons for not wanting to fullclaim, and those reasons cood be pro- or anti-Town.

Mitch: Wot can I say? Prob too much of a wildcard to live, but he has already been injured and is not expected live much longer. 10/10 for being entertaining.

Metsfanmax: I don't know why but I'm not getting a Town vibe on Max. Can't put my finger on anyfink tho. Remains enigmatic / neutral for now.

TWR: Need to look over his posts again, so no verdict for now. Comes across as slightly scummy, but he did in my other game too, and he was Town their.

Benga and IB: Conflicting reports of investimagashuns on Sausage. Will suspend judgement until the Sausage lynch, assuming that happens.

PTLowe: I'm inclined to beleeve his cop claim - although I tink it was naive to claim it so erly, Have no idea about his sanity. We have had one insane cop alreddy. He cood be sane, insane, or paranoid. So far, nobody has flipped sane.

WC Ginkapo: Pretty sure he is a lincher or something. Best ignored as far as voting goes (both votes ON and votes BY), but did do good work on the VC issue. Prob believes he is pro-Town, but might not be sane.

PLAYER: Seems a bit eager to please, sumtimes. Posting enuff, but seems to just go with theh flow, which is scummy. Leaning scum, slitely.

Okay, enuf for now. Will come back and do sum moor after playing some CC moves and doing sum other stuff.

[Streaker]

Vote count:

-AladdinSane (5): Storrzerg*, Wing*, ptlowe*, Wing, ptlowe
-Storrzerg (3): madmitch*, Rishaed*, falkomagno*
-the white rose (6): Iron Butterfly*, DJPatrick*, Iron Butterfly, LSU Tiger Josh*, LSU Tiger Josh, CatchersMitt14*
-benga (1): whatsausage*
-no vote (1): player57832*,
-ptlowe (2): whatsausage, falkomagno,
-whatsausage (9): benga*, Metsfanmax*, / (aka Slash)*, Rishaed, Ragian*, benga, the white rose*, pancakemix*, Madmitch
-Metsfanmax (0):
-Skoffin (2): Storrzerg, Aladdinsane*
-Catchersmitt14 (1): player57832

Deadline is January 22nd, 09.00 CC Time. It takes 14 to have a majority. Reaching this deadline while your vote is not currently placed, will result in modkill.