Matrix Mafia Endgame, Town and Survivors win!

[betiko]

I'm going to vote hippo, for rolefishing and if Leehar was scum I highly doubt he wouldn't get involved in two town lynches.

or not? a mafia that would play well would try to do that. and i don't see what's the harm in hippo's question. trying to fish for roles now gets people to be voted against? so asking sneaky questions makes you suspicious? a bit ridiculous. FOS jointy

Yes, being sneaky makes you suspicious. FOS betiko.

i ve seen players very good at asking sneaky questions that were great help for town. they were asked in a way that the "defendant" didn't understand where it was leading to and made the person nervous. that's how i see hippo's questions right there and i don't see how it's scummy.

[safariguy5]

Announcement
vodean replaces dazza.

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

clever(5)- doom, neb, leehar, jak, dj
sg7(1)- betiko
hippo(1)- jonty
betiko(1)- everywhere

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

[Leehar]

All votes on dazza are wiped then?

[safariguy5]

All votes on dazza are wiped then?

The only vote on dazza was soundman and he unvoted.

But yes, if someone is replaced, his vote and all votes on him are wiped.

[pmchugh]

Ghostly and Dazza are both on my radar. Ghostly last posted on the 15th asking a question and saying he's almost read up.

Guys I am read up just about. I have never seen the matrix though so I do have one question. Are the twins both good, both bad, or does one go against the other? I am just getting some background info.

Yet he hasn't said a thing since. You caught up yet, Ghostly? And to answer your question they were both bad.

Dazza hasn't posted since the 4th. That's thirteen days ago. Here's his last post from the beginning of Day Two.

Nope, hopefully someone got some info. A night action would be good for once v.v ~Is hated by all the mods~

Hmm, I wonder though, the first part of the scene says they got away, so either Doc saved him/her or killer was roleblocked.

Any ideas for a lead?

Could be a roleblock or a doc save. I can't really tell from the scene.

Other than this one post at the beginning of Day Two commenting on the scene he hasn't uttered a word. Vote Dazza.

In the last matrix mafia, the Merovingian and his programs were not bad guys. As the previous Merovingian I feel obligated to point that out.

For such an experience player you seem to be not offering much in this game when you post, except from flavour speculation. unvote vote edoc

[thechuck51]

First thing, I apologise to you Leehar. I missed the point of your posts ... every one of them. Obviously you know something the rest of us dunderheads don't and we need to listen to you.

I'm not really opposed to it, but we're still on inactive-hunting then?

I'm a bit dissapointed in this Leehar. Your flavour throughout this game has been one of someone who knows something and being disapproving of those who have voted for people who turned out to be town. To be behaving that way, apparently knowing something, then either you are full of it or your are not sharing. There's two ways you could know something. The first is that you are mafia and trying to act like town because you look great every time there is a town kill and you had disapproved of it. The second is that you have some special power, like town cop, and have investigated these people. If it is the former then you are in big trouble. If it is the latter then hiding this isn't helping town at day three. But inactive hunting when there is so much information available? Come on! I really need a clear answer from you on this Leehar because, refer my long-winded precise of the first two days, I was beginning to think that I had you all wrong and I whoudl have listened to you earlier. But hindsight is a perfect science. So, Leehar, time to speak up!

-Hippo, why are you so convinced that Leehar knows anything the rest of us don't?

-The second quite seems to be a bit of an over-reaction to what seems to me to be a reasonable statement/question.

-there may be a lot of information but unfortunately it is incomplete and there are no definite leads to work off of

[vodean]

im confirmed, and ill try to keep up... just give me a bit guys, thanks

[edocsil]

Ghostly and Dazza are both on my radar. Ghostly last posted on the 15th asking a question and saying he's almost read up.

Guys I am read up just about. I have never seen the matrix though so I do have one question. Are the twins both good, both bad, or does one go against the other? I am just getting some background info.

Yet he hasn't said a thing since. You caught up yet, Ghostly? And to answer your question they were both bad.

Dazza hasn't posted since the 4th. That's thirteen days ago. Here's his last post from the beginning of Day Two.

Nope, hopefully someone got some info. A night action would be good for once v.v ~Is hated by all the mods~

Hmm, I wonder though, the first part of the scene says they got away, so either Doc saved him/her or killer was roleblocked.

Any ideas for a lead?

Could be a roleblock or a doc save. I can't really tell from the scene.

Other than this one post at the beginning of Day Two commenting on the scene he hasn't uttered a word. Vote Dazza.

In the last matrix mafia, the Merovingian and his programs were not bad guys. As the previous Merovingian I feel obligated to point that out.

For such an experience player you seem to be not offering much in this game when you post, except from flavour speculation. unvote vote edoc

You are more experienced then I am. You haven't been offering anything much better. Life is insanely busy, and I am having a hard enough time just keeping up and posting intelligently, mush less leading the party.

[pmchugh]

I guess that was a bit hypocritical of me, if yer busy yer busy. unvote

[vodean]

here's a top-somenumberofposts list of scummy posts throughout the game, seeing as i just joined and had to read the whole 70 pages (making a 70 page thread makes you all scum, so vote everyone? or everywhere?) FOS everyone, at any rate the spoiler is all my justifications, in reverse chronological order, and the resulting FOSes are at the bottom

show: arguments

total FOS tallies are as follows (some errors):
Neb - 3
Doom - 4
milkshake - 1.5
jak - 3
SG7 - 1
everyone - 1
chuck - 1
everywhere - 1
dazza - 2
edoc - 2
iron - 3
S7C
MoB - .5
everyone - 1

and so my vote would have been with neb at first, but i think he was town, and just being dumb... I do think he was possibly hiding SOMETHING... perhaps he is scum? i have worked my way in a circle... sorry.


note: it kinda is day 1 for me... so please forgive SOME of these things.
also, sorry if i missed any scummy posts.
i may have one or two miscounts, and i will finish the other 50 pages later.
how has jak not been lynched?
FOS Doom for defending Jak and generally being evil. I think Jak and Doom are mafia together, which makes sense... they have admitted to being alligned together, and both are kinda suspect. they may not be that stupid, or they might... it worked, none of them got lynched.but none got NKed either, so definite FOS

after a few hours i got bored and stopped quoting... sorry... but Im still going with a vote doom for now (ive thoroughly read 35 pages, and will continue reading)

[vodean]

Lets disect it:

I'm not a vt

if thats true, and you havent been killed, you are either very lucky, mafia, or the mafia are dumb... and never count on the enemy being dumb.

[thehippo8]

-Hippo, why are you so convinced that Leehar knows anything the rest of us don't?

-The second quite seems to be a bit of an over-reaction to what seems to me to be a reasonable statement/question.

-there may be a lot of information but unfortunately it is incomplete and there are no definite leads to work off of[/color]

Fair question. I won't repeat my longwinded overview. But in essence, Leehar seemed so aloof with each bandwagon and directly Fosed those involved. It seemed all too scummy for me at the time and I thought Leehar was either trying to confuse us, or distract us, or was scimming or otherwise playing contrary to the general flow of the arguments. It was only when I went back and looked at everything that it seemed clear that Leehar was telling us stuff not just being obtuse. I kicked myself and assumed that Leehar must actually really be twon but a power role and not wanting to let us know what was going on. Then Leehar comes in with the let's go for inactives and I considered that deserved a challenge. I'm unsure of his response but you will see I havn't pushed it. My vote remains on Jonty.

See above - the purpose of being in Leehar's face was in the hope that he would take me seriously (given I've been so flaky in day 1 and 2 I think a stern comment was required).

I completely agree. That's why I did my epic post. IMHO there are some clear patterns there.

@ vodean - welcome. Still thinking about what you said but good one actually getting stuck in there!

[thehippo8]

The pink response was to chuck's information point in case that wasn't obvious - weird how the first part of the color tag is missing, sorry about that.

[vodean]

i summary of the long post, my biggest FOSses so far are Jak, Doom, Jonty, and then keeping an eye on hippo...

edit: hippo fingered jonty ( ) and so i dont think they're BOTH mafia, considering how early on it was.

[vodean]

oh, and sorry for editing... im only adding more stuff and i figure its ok since im so far behind

[vodean]

if you would prefer i just put it in a new post, and then it looks a little like it does now, with a whole lot in sequence then i will... sorry. havent been in an active mafia game in years on CC, and sometimes forget the rules even though ive read them a bunch since getting back... again, sorry.

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

clever(5)- doom, neb, leehar, jak, dj
sg7(1)- betiko
hippo(1)- jonty
betiko(1)- everywhere
doom(1)- vodean

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

I remind everyone not to edit posts. Doing so may result in a Modkill.

[jak111]

oh, and sorry for editing... im only adding more stuff and i figure its ok since im so far behind

You'll have to see what Saf says, but usually editing will result in a quick mod kill, so watch yourself, also editing past posts will make some of your information unintentionally skipped because someone may read it once and be done with it. Minor FOS for doing that, but the reason it's only minor is because you're new.

As to answer your question, we haven't been lynched yet, but that's because we're claimed masons. I don't know why we weren't picked off yet at night but perhaps mafia believe they can turn us into the bad guys.

But now since I am reading your edits while posting this, that minor FOS has just been upgraded to an FOS for Skimming, FOS'ing a dozen different people in the same post (Hopefully you know FOS is for a serious thinking they are mafia, by your FOS's pretty much you believe everyone to be scum). Doom did have a reason, because we are masoned, which has been mentioned, but you say "redirecting suspicion without reason" "they have admitted to being alligned together" I'm sorry if I come off rude here, but you can't say both and have both of them be correct, so what is your opinion? Pick one, not both

Also, another reason I'm leaving you at an actual FOS, is because I know your new but you should have noticed we're well out of the joke vote stage, so 'joke FOS's' aren't very tolerable neither.

Besides what I've mentioned, if it weren't for you being new, you would have received my vote, not because of who you believe are scummy, but why. Which I can't answer because you're unclear when you state two contradicting sentences in the same post.

Anyhow, welcome to the game, and if you care to catch up, right now there's pressure on CLEVER, so if you find anything interesting on him, bring it forth would ya?

Fastposted x2, alright vodean, Saf let the edit slide, just remember it isn't accepted in the mafia forums to do it. A triple post is better than an edit here.

[pmchugh]

You guys never name claimed right? I don't see you guys doing that as scum, but perhaps as some third party group. I think you two should name claim, I don't see what you have to lose from doing that.

[jak111]

You guys never name claimed right? I don't see you guys doing that as scum, but perhaps as some third party group. I think you two should name claim, I don't see what you have to lose from doing that.

I'll wait for Doom to see if he wants to, otherwise you're gonna have to WIFOM a bit to make sense of it.

Though a note to Doom, remember, our luck is growing thin, if we're going to get passed tonight we're going to need town's help.

[thechuck51]

You guys never name claimed right? I don't see you guys doing that as scum, but perhaps as some third party group. I think you two should name claim, I don't see what you have to lose from doing that.

I'll wait for Doom to see if he wants to, otherwise you're gonna have to WIFOM a bit to make sense of it.

Though a note to Doom, remember, our luck is growing thin, if we're going to get passed tonight we're going to need town's help.

I asked if they would name claim a couple pages ago and doom shot it down. I have an idea who they are but I don't know if it is appropriate for me to say.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

for the fos on me.
why am i fosed for putting a guy who would not claim at l-3 at l-2 when someone else obviously would have. he said that he would not claim at till l-2 so i pushed him one more. not really a big deal. but fos if you want. lol and why do i have so many votes on me? i thought i defended myself pretty well xD lol

[Nebuchadnezer]

Of course you defended yourself...any player in this game would...however, I don't have a better target right now.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Of course you defended yourself...any player in this game would...however, I don't have a better target right now.

lol i know i was just saying cause all the crap flying around is getting annoying so i needed a break