New Briarsburg Mafia. Town Wins! Ga7 wins the premium prize!

[theherkman]

What would you like me to do to prove it to you?

Go read some posts. What's your group name, what's your purpose, what's your role? Or at the very least, stop pretending to be the archangel of Town.

I'm not giving our name. Our purpose is to protect the town. My role would reveal my abilities in detail. If you want non-specific backstory I can give you that. A fishing expidition would only give information to the wrong people. This is not a smart move to try and get me to give you all the information you want. Either you are an extremely stupid townie or an extremely stupid scum. Which one?

[FloresDelMal]

Also, I've never had an experience with a lynch-proof character. If she were to be voted on, would we learn her role? You know when the day-ending scene comes out and reveals the name and role of the character, would that apply to someone who didn't die? I'm also not sure that it would reveal whether aage is scum or not. In the event that their on opposite alignments, they could easily lie and say they're both town.

sound reasoning, i adress it after the quote of haggis

Er, usually when you try to lynch an unlynchable person that person just gains x votes but the day doesn't end, he/she just doesn't get lynched, no matter how many votes...

Oh, i didn't know about that. I thought the day ended.

Well, in that case, unvote vote Violet

dont be so naive haggis, im pretty damn sure that voting violet will get us to night with nothing on the table, my question is why should we take his word on this? what have the most experienced players to say in the matters? because if we lynch an unlynchable, and we get no info out of this and on top of it the day ends, i dare to say we are pretty damn screwed.

Here's my question if they are siblings and both can win regardless of possibly different allignments what motivation would either of them have for outing the other as scum? I'll unvote for now but it seems to me one of them could easily be and by role definition probably is scum but I am willing to leave that up to investigation.

Edit before post: ok aage now I'm confused exactly what is your role?

so basically you are saying that in a game of 30 players, we have a pair of town and scum, with no power of use to town (i mean unlynchable and bulletproof if only of help to them), but instead of lynch aage, and find for ourselves, we will ask the cop to out himself so can become a NK target tomorrow, mmmh that sounds like a great plan to scum FOS strike wolf

Guys, what if attempting to lynch Violet ends the day? That would be bad.

finally someone considering the obvious, it feels good to know im not alone on this one

Guys: lynching Vi will not proving that aage is town aligned.
Neither does proving one's innonence prove the others: someone could investigate vi at night, find out she's scum but aage could claim ignorance.
Thirdly: Aage as he quite clearly states went after herk because he didn't believe there was a group that powerful or roles could be that linked. However if he is part of a linked group himself, that I would describe as pretty tough to destroy, why would he find it that hard to believe?
Fourthly their actions do not strike me as action of a town aligned bulletproof and unlynchable duo.
Consider Vi:

It is a great idea!!
Honestly I wanted to vote for myself once the bandwagon on aage started, but i didn't want to take my vote of herkman.
It was very hard to sit here and watch the bandwagon grow on someone I knew was a townie for the second time in a row. So I've been trying some crazy antics Day 1 and Day 2 to stop the bandwagon, but have been unsuccessful.(...)

But yes aage's claim is true. I just didn't know what to say beforehand, because if I said I knew 100% that aage was town, people would ask how? But I didn't want to give too much info to the mafia. But aage was forced to claim, and everyone knows everything now.

So yes, lets test this out.

Unvote
(that's just temporary herk, still have my suspicions on you for that story.

Vote Violet


I also wanted people to vote me instead of Dazey

That seems like a very reasonable post that has has thoughtful discussion. However if you compare it to her others post before this: such as I will avenge you Dazey, there's a big discrepancy. Ie her previous behaviour was an act, and they do say lynch all liars. And if you think about it, why would an unlynchable person if he's town aligned try to get himself lynched. Not only would that waste a great deal's of town's time but it would also out herslef as an unlynchable and expose her to mafia, where she could've remained hidden and been more helpful to town.

Not adding up.
My three theories
a) They are connected and they do have the roles that they claim. However one of them is mafia, probably secretly to the other person. If the mafia is aage, that would explain why he was so reckless in his attack against herk: if it backfired like it did he could've simply had an unsuspecting townie confirm his claim. Fits in with aage being a pretty experienced player

b) They are both scum. They might be a third party duo, or perhaps indeed scum. Then they would be counting on either the town assuming that they were town because their powers check out by trying to lynch vi. Also if one of them was killed and revealed to be mafia the other one has a very powerful defence as being the unsuspecting town player. We have no idea if they are in fact town. Also consider this: if herk's group is as powerful as he claims, then surely the mafia should be also quite powerful in a 30 player game.

c) This theory of mine is my favourite and seems so delicious that I'm very devastated I didn't think of it first. Vi and aage are an insane sister's duo. What happens when someone claims unlynchable: the town will test it and perhaps that is exactly what they want. What if instead of being bulletproof and unlynchable, they win if either aage is killed at night or vi is lynched at day. Ie I think we might have a jester on our hands.

very well constructed case if someone skimmed it i hope now will be noticed, if someone already readed, doesnt hurt to read it again before making your mind about towards who you'll vote.

Why are you all voting Vio? This is stupid. All you will find out is that she is unlynchable. What if they are both mafia? One unlynchable and one bulletproof? You won't find her alignment by voting her. This is a waste of time. If one of them is town and the other mafia, my bet would be on Aage for scum. Hands down. He tried to lynch me after I claimed a power role. That seems scummy. But Vio did the same thing... Perhaps they are both scum, but I don't think either of them are town.

QTF damn this is surreal

[TA1LGUNN3R]

a) They are connected and they do have the roles that they claim. However one of them is mafia, probably secretly to the other person. If the mafia is aage, that would explain why he was so reckless in his attack against herk: if it backfired like it did he could've simply had an unsuspecting townie confirm his claim. Fits in with aage being a pretty experienced player
b) They are both scum. They might be a third party duo, or perhaps indeed scum. Then they would be counting on either the town assuming that they were town because their powers check out by trying to lynch vi. Also if one of them was killed and revealed to be mafia the other one has a very powerful defence as being the unsuspecting town player. We have no idea if they are in fact town. Also consider this: if herk's group is as powerful as he claims, then surely the mafia should be also quite powerful in a 30 player game.

I liked these two the best. Option C seemed possible, but not plausible. I mean, would Mr. Squirrel put a jester in a game this size? I guess if the game continued on afterwards... Plus it might be kinda hard to get yourself lynched when everyone's paranoid about jesters. Just a gut feeling on that, I could be totally wrong.

So yeah I have to agree w/ you Iliad and flores, I will unvote.

-Tails

[strike wolf]

No claim needed and laying out your abilities at this point would be a bad thing but it would help to understand to know the name of your group. I don't see harm in just giving out the name.

Sorry, Strike. I don't think you mean anything scummy by this, but our name gives away everything. I can't do it.

and there you are...I won't pressure you about it now but that doesn't quite add up to me...

[Haggis_McMutton]

Er, usually when you try to lynch an unlynchable person that person just gains x votes but the day doesn't end, he/she just doesn't get lynched, no matter how many votes...

Oh, i didn't know about that. I thought the day ended.

Well, in that case, unvote vote Violet

dont be so naive haggis, im pretty damn sure that voting violet will get us to night with nothing on the table, my question is why should we take his word on this? what have the most experienced players to say in the matters? because if we lynch an unlynchable, and we get no info out of this and on top of it the day ends, i dare to say we are pretty damn screwed.

Well, damn. I just thought this is a game mechanic that everyone here was familiar with and i didn't know. I mean there's obviously enough experienced players in this game that any attempt of aage's to lie about game mechanic wouldn't fly, so i thought it'd be stupid of him to try.
unvote

Two questions:
1. Experienced players, what usually happens when you try to lynch an unlynchable townie? Does the day end or not?
2. Aage and Violet, were you specifically told that your sister is town, or are you assuming?

[ga7]

Oh god... I probably should make a long post on how Aage's behaviour so far fits right with his claim and that contrary to scum masons this kind of siblings coupling has one town one scum really often, but with so much sillyness I can't be bothered atm.
Three things:
-Violet must be town and unlynchable
-Aage could be the mafia GF (I remember the same system used in Hell on the Mushroom Kingdom)
-Lynching Violet makes absolutely no sense because it's obvious she'd be town and the only thing her lynch will do is town wasting a day as the game will go into the Night phase

I dunno if it's noobness but everyone jumping on Violet to prove Aage is town not only makes no sense but will give a free pass to scum. We have other leads too so if you don't want to lynch Aage who would still be the obvious option IMO we still have Jace worth looking into for instance.

[Commander9]

Oh god... I probably should make a long post on how Aage's behaviour so far fits right with his claim and that contrary to scum masons this kind of siblings coupling has one town one scum really often, but with so much sillyness I can't be bothered atm.
Three things:
-Violet must be town and unlynchable
-Aage could be the mafia GF (I remember the same system used in Hell on the Mushroom Kingdom)
-Lynching Violet makes absolutely no sense because it's obvious she'd be town and the only thing her lynch will do is town wasting a day as the game will go into the Night phase

I dunno if it's noobness but everyone jumping on Violet to prove Aage is town not only makes no sense but will give a free pass to scum. We have other leads too so if you don't want to lynch Aage who would still be the obvious option IMO we still have Jace worth looking into for instance.

As aage said, wouldn't just nothing happen or would the game go into night-phase after we reach enough votes? I thought if we'd reach that number, nothing would happen?

[FloresDelMal]

As aage said, wouldn't just nothing happen or would the game go into night-phase after we reach enough votes? I thought if we'd reach that number, nothing would happen?

ok stop skimming, go to treat your dyslexia, dont do drugs while posting, or address whatever issue that makes you post no sense like this one, i said, ga7 said it, i'm pretty sure other ppl said it as well, but this two examples are only in this page for fucks sakes, seriously, just when i was starting to have hopes on you

im pretty damn sure that voting violet will get us to night with nothing on the table

(...)
-Lynching Violet makes absolutely no sense because it's obvious she'd be town and the only thing her lynch will do is town wasting a day as the game will go into the Night phase

[Commander9]

Flores, I've not been skimming and I've seen those. However, you have to understand that the game is rather big and there is more than just one (or even two) experienced player and I wanted to hear a few opinions. That's all.

Unvote.

[strike wolf]

Well aage is still one of the scummeriest but I think he's bought enough credibility to no longer be the top lynch subject. Vio I alrready believed to be innocent and that really hasn't changed much if anything I'm more convinced of it now and I agreee with the sentiment that voting for her to test out the claim is a bad idea. B/t aage's claim and his round about way of going about information on his group herk has lost some credibility in my view though I still believe him to be town and not going to raise my hand to question him to death at this point. Anyways long story short my 3 most scummy list is:

3. Aage: one thing I don't get is if you are a bulletproof townie why stick your neck out so far for an unpopular lynch when lynch is pretty much the only way you can die?
2. Saxlad: you jumped on herk early in the day with flawed and weak logic. Later after being called out on it you backed off and more recently basically asked what was the more popular wagon suggesting that you didn't really care too much about who actually got lynched. Plus a weird fos against me day 1 when I attempted to point out inactives. Its possible that aage and sax are both mafia and with herk coming out yesterday with what looked like a high profile role decided that if they failed to kill him overnight than they would try to get him lynched today.
1. Jace-only one of these three who seems to have real connection to blake. Je was confronted for having similar voting patterns to blake and having been defended by blake. Adressed similar voting patterns to blake in a fairly convincing manner though I don't necessarily find the "sure I voted daze but so did a lot of other people" defense convincing. But maybe more importantly his quick wagon hop onto aage's wagon followes by his quick disappearance when the heat has been more on someone else looks a lot like he is trying to avoid attention while others bicker about other lynch candidates.

Other than that I also find /'s findings agasinst naxus to be interesting and worthy of some suspicion against naxus.

Still jace I find to be the most suspicious and for that reason vote jace

[nagerous]

I am a lonely fail. Would you like to be my friend? - 50078/TWMH 625/GS 54453/Total says:
post a scummy I'm here post
and pretend like you're read up

Done.

[nagerous]

That was a fircoal joke, I apologise I will try and read up at some point. Feel free to bandwagon me it might make me riled.

[spiesr]

Have we considered asking Mr.Squirrel what will happen if an unlynchable player is lynched? It seems like it could be an area that could vary from mod to mod. I don't know if he will, or even should, respond to that question, but if might be worth a try?

It is definitely possible that "sisters" could be simply flavor for the their role, which could be more like just masons. From what I have seen so far, it looks like in this game that role names don't have to exactly have to match the definition of your powers.While we are on this subject, Aage and Violet, would you care to post the rest of your role information, like you names and to clarify that the extent of your powers is too be masons and be unlynchable/bulletproof?

While we decide what to do with that mess, I think that theSaxlad needs a kick in the pants to come and explain himself. Unvote Vote TheSaxlad

[aage]

2. Aage and Violet, were you specifically told that your sister is town, or are you assuming?

Why don't you start reading? I already told you thrice we were town.

Have we considered asking Mr.Squirrel what will happen if an unlynchable player is lynched?

I'm sending a PM.

The reason I am assuming we don't go into night phase is because in e.g. Sully's game a dead player was lynched and the day kept on going. Since dead players are also unlynchable I figured it'd go the same this game. Might be slightly farfetched logic, but it's what I am assuming.

[strike wolf]

So Mr. S specifically said you were both town?

[Haggis_McMutton]

2. Aage and Violet, were you specifically told that your sister is town, or are you assuming?

Why don't you start reading? I already told you thrice we were town.

And saying you both are town, as 4 people have now remarked, does not answer the question ...

[FloresDelMal]

2. Aage and Violet, were you specifically told that your sister is town, or are you assuming?

Why don't you start reading? I already told you thrice we were town.

sure but you are quite reluctant to say "yes the mod said on my role pm that we both were town" please be precise as you can, same to you violet, start to say the truth if you want to keep up your townie credibility.

Have we considered asking Mr.Squirrel what will happen if an unlynchable player is lynched?

I'm sending a PM.

The reason I am assuming we don't go into night phase is because in e.g. Sully's game a dead player was lynched and the day kept on going. Since dead players are also unlynchable I figured it'd go the same this game. Might be slightly farfetched logic, but it's what I am assuming.

hats off to the single most scummiest, far fetched, logically flawed and plain ridiculous statement i have read on this game so far, and believe me, i have read a few.

Tsk tsk, seriously, no one else think that was fishy? jace to me seems more inactive than scummy, so i ask please mod give him a prod or replace, LSU is back to mafia, could be cool try to get him to replace, also a vote count could prove useful.

[FloresDelMal]

oops i screwed the second quote there, so here goes well

Have we considered asking Mr.Squirrel what will happen if an unlynchable player is lynched?

I'm sending a PM.

The reason I am assuming we don't go into night phase is because in e.g. Sully's game a dead player was lynched and the day kept on going. Since dead players are also unlynchable I figured it'd go the same this game. Might be slightly farfetched logic, but it's what I am assuming.

hats off to the single most scummiest, far fetched, logically flawed and plain ridiculous statement i have read on this game so far, and believe me, i have read a few.

Tsk tsk, seriously, no one else think that was fishy? jace to me seems more inactive than scummy, so i ask please mod give him a prod or replace, LSU is back to mafia, could be cool try to get him to replace, also a vote count could prove useful.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Vote Count

jace (3) - freezie, edocsil, stefunny,
aage (8) - jace, ga7, fircoal, flores, iliad, flow, spiesr, herk
violet (5) - naxus, aage, violet, /, violet
saxlad (1) - spiesr

With 28 alive, 15 to lynch

[Mr. Squirrel]

I'm so glad I ran this game. This is hilarious to watch.

[strike wolf]

Vote Count

jace (3) - freezie, edocsil, stefunny,
aage (8) - jace, ga7, fircoal, flores, iliad, flow, spiesr, herk
violet (5) - naxus, aage, violet, /, violet
saxlad (1) - spiesr

With 28 alive, 15 to lynch

I voted Jace and vio gets two votes?

[Victor Sullivan]

oops i screwed the second quote there, so here goes well

Have we considered asking Mr.Squirrel what will happen if an unlynchable player is lynched?

I'm sending a PM.

The reason I am assuming we don't go into night phase is because in e.g. Sully's game a dead player was lynched and the day kept on going. Since dead players are also unlynchable I figured it'd go the same this game. Might be slightly farfetched logic, but it's what I am assuming.

hats off to the single most scummiest, far fetched, logically flawed and plain ridiculous statement i have read on this game so far, and believe me, i have read a few.

Tsk tsk, seriously, no one else think that was fishy? jace to me seems more inactive than scummy, so i ask please mod give him a prod or replace, LSU is back to mafia, could be cool try to get him to replace, also a vote count could prove useful.

I laugh at his logic and I ran that game. unvote I'm convinced voting VioIet isn't in our best interest. Though I'm convinced voting aage is.

-Sully

[Commander9]

Tsk tsk, seriously, no one else think that was fishy? jace to me seems more inactive than scummy, so i ask please mod give him a prod or replace, LSU is back to mafia, could be cool try to get him to replace, also a vote count could prove useful.

No, you were not the only one. This and few other aage's ideas definitely seem rather "interesting" (that it could be better to not have any vigs). I'm not convinced that he's a scum yet, but my...

However, I wouldn't really agree with Jace - he had few interesting connections before in the game and he came in any time bigger danger of getting whooped shown up. Not sure about his inactiveness either.

[Victor Sullivan]

Just to clarify with my voting aage - We can test his claim by lynching him. Then we can know if VioIet's telling the truth about her role. Honestly, even if he is town, we can't have someone going against one of our most powerful (supposedly) townies. Plus, it would be nice if we didn't dawdle around all day then eventually lynch him anyways with a less-than-majority because Mr. Squirrel set a deadline. Seriously guys, I'd rather not have another Day 1 situation today and certainly not tomorrow. You guys have been arguing about the same things for several RL days... MAKE UP YOUR MIND PLEASE. I know, I know, I'm sounding like a long-winded sensfan from Day 1, but it's the truth, guys.

-Sully for the cure?

[aage]

Well, if you're still interested, Squirrel actually answered my pm confirming what I already suspected. The votes will be removed and the day will continue. Is it really that odd to believe that would have happened? Apparently my logic is as flawed as the Mod's is..