[Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 4/18 Blue. Town&DEA+rug win

[strike wolf]

deadline is next friday, is that the same as TOMORROW ?

Fixed. Sorry thought I had changed that on the last vote count.

[Rodion]

The only point in MoB's claim which I don't fully trust is whether they legitimately tried to protect CD.

Other than that, seems like a clean claim, which narrows the mafia pool considerably (can't be MoB, can't be MoB's mason and can't be the 2nd DEA - assuming both are equally manned).

This also makes Rugbirn's claim less likely, as it depends on the existence of a 6th faction.

Gregwolf seems more likely to be scum as well, but that pretty much applies to everyone that can't claim WW/DEA, since game left a state of 3 scum out of 11 (a little more than 27%) to 3 scum out of 8 (37.5%).

[Metsfanmax]

:roll:
If we killed Hank I would have played silent today, end of story. I would have no reason to put myself out there.

Yes, but if you bussed Hank so that conveniently he died, and then tried to lie and convince us you were town, you might put yourself out there

[Rugbirn]

@MoB - I guess my only question to you - After WW agreed that you should bus Hank, di you aslo discuss who you would bus Hank with? Or, more to the point, did WW know who you were bussing Hank with?

[betiko]

The only point in MoB's claim which I don't fully trust is whether they legitimately tried to protect CD.

Other than that, seems like a clean claim, which narrows the mafia pool considerably (can't be MoB, can't be MoB's mason and can't be the 2nd DEA - assuming both are equally manned).

This also makes Rugbirn's claim less likely, as it depends on the existence of a 6th faction.

Gregwolf seems more likely to be scum as well, but that pretty much applies to everyone that can't claim WW/DEA, since game left a state of 3 scum out of 11 (a little more than 27%) to 3 scum out of 8 (37.5%).

oh i fully trust mob's claim, no doubt. the fun part of all this is that we can't blame him and WW for killing the DEA cop. I'm pretty sure the DEA faction is/was a danger for them. It's just ridiculous to pretend he tried to save his enemy because they have a big heart and they just want to be nice to the majority. The enemies of ur friends are not necesairly our enemies in this game, that's all.
Mob was probably a mafia/cartel target already, and I would think that the dea faction consisted in hank and gomez (now would this gomez left have a killer ability? not sure), no more. So he just made one more enemy with that revelation, gomez, that was the cost of opening up our eyes concerning what most likely happened last night. There is just one town aligned that can't trust mob, all the rest of us have no option but to be ok with that kill I guess.

fp

[betiko]

@MoB - I guess my only question to you - After WW agreed that you should bus Hank, di you aslo discuss who you would bus Hank with? Or, more to the point, did WW know who you were bussing Hank with?

well you know they prefered to keep it secret between each other since they are the same faction and can communicate at night! the least information the better between trusted teammates!l

[Rugbirn]

[quote="betiko"]ok, I have to admit i'm laughing my ass off reading these last 2 pages as mob realises he shouldn't have said that "the heisenbergs" can't win with the DEA after admitting he bussed the DEA that was getting night protection after rodion asked rugbirn to do so

Mob, seriously, you have a strange way of playing. when you are mafia and you discuss with your scummates at night, do you also try not to be selfish and you go for the biggest danger for the majority (town)?

@TFO: mob had no idea that super was going to get killed last night. he just needed a random switcheroo so WW could perform the kill on the outed DEA agent.
Ironically enough, cartel chose hank too and killed their godfather

Betiko, what are you talking about? "mob had no idea that super was going to get killed last night." Of course he (Mob) knew that the mafia/cartel would target Hank (cop), and through his very own bussing action, that Super would be killed. That is a no brainer. Plus, your reasoning that cartel and WW picked the same person to kill doesn't make sense UNLESS we have a fourth faction NKer. This is because there were three NK and we do NOT have an N+1 poisoner.

Another point: "he just needed a random switcheroo so WW could perform the kill on the outed DEA agent." Although all factions may have a separate wincon, I believe that all "blue" factions are "town aligned" (Hank was NOT town, but was the "town" cop). If this is the case, why would WW (who at this point is looking like a town vig) want to kill his Brother-in-Law (who is helping town)? Further, IF there is another DEA agent it should be Gomez, and would most likely be the same color as Hank.

[Iron Butterfly]

Vote gregwolf

I believe MoB.

Rugbirn I am torn on but I think he is who he says. he talks as if he is sincere yet clueless in many regards.

I think we have had enough discussion for today.

[betiko]

ok, I have to admit i'm laughing my ass off reading these last 2 pages as mob realises he shouldn't have said that "the heisenbergs" can't win with the DEA after admitting he bussed the DEA that was getting night protection after rodion asked rugbirn to do so

Mob, seriously, you have a strange way of playing. when you are mafia and you discuss with your scummates at night, do you also try not to be selfish and you go for the biggest danger for the majority (town)?

@TFO: mob had no idea that super was going to get killed last night. he just needed a random switcheroo so WW could perform the kill on the outed DEA agent.
Ironically enough, cartel chose hank too and killed their godfather

Betiko, what are you talking about? "mob had no idea that super was going to get killed last night." Of course he (Mob) knew that the mafia/cartel would target Hank (cop), and through his very own bussing action, that Super would be killed. That is a no brainer. Plus, your reasoning that cartel and WW picked the same person to kill doesn't make sense UNLESS we have a fourth faction NKer. This is because there were three NK and we do NOT have an N+1 poisoner.

Another point: "he just needed a random switcheroo so WW could perform the kill on the outed DEA agent." Although all factions may have a separate wincon, I believe that all "blue" factions are "town aligned" (Hank was NOT town, but was the "town" cop). If this is the case, why would WW (who at this point is looking like a town vig) want to kill his Brother-in-Law (who is helping town)? Further, IF there is another DEA agent it should be Gomez, and would most likely be the same color as Hank.

I feel to lazy to respond... do I even need to?

a)"Of course he (Mob) knew that the mafia/cartel would target Hank (cop), and through his very own bussing action, that Super would be killed. That is a no brainer. Plus, your reasoning that cartel and WW picked the same person to kill doesn't make sense UNLESS we have a fourth faction NKer. This is because there were three NK and we do NOT have an N+1 poisoner. "

reread TFO's question to me I was answering to with this. we're talking about super, you are talking about CD.
And duhhh, yeah, a cop outs himself, an my crazy theory sustains that cartel and heisenbergs tried to kill him the very same night. makes no sense at all right? what would be the odds of people trying to kill a confirmed enemy at night? sorry about that stupid theory of mine.
i also thought that there was no poisoner according to you, that it was just a modus operandi, now it doesn't fit because of the poisoner theory and there is a fourth killer? what are you talking about?


b)Another point: "he just needed a random switcheroo so WW could perform the kill on the outed DEA agent." Although all factions may have a separate wincon, I believe that all "blue" factions are "town aligned" (Hank was NOT town, but was the "town" cop). If this is the case, why would WW (who at this point is looking like a town vig) want to kill his Brother-in-Law (who is helping town)? Further, IF there is another DEA agent it should be Gomez, and would most likely be the same color as Hank.

I will just let you answer that question by yourself reading the book of revelations by mob deadly. I have already highlighted in red the fun parts.

[Metsfanmax]

Another point: "he just needed a random switcheroo so WW could perform the kill on the outed DEA agent." Although all factions may have a separate wincon, I believe that all "blue" factions are "town aligned" (Hank was NOT town, but was the "town" cop). If this is the case, why would WW (who at this point is looking like a town vig) want to kill his Brother-in-Law (who is helping town)? Further, IF there is another DEA agent it should be Gomez, and would most likely be the same color as Hank.

So you believe MoB is lying about his WC?

[Rugbirn]

So the breakdown now looks like 6 factions: (this is my OPINION Rodion)

1 - Rug - all by myself - green......................................................................... 1
3 - Mafia (only Gus left)................................................................................ 1
3 - Cartel (only 2 left)................................................................................... 2
1 - WW (most likely town vig - still alive)............................................................ 1
2 - Heisenberg faction (Jesse & ???)................................................................... 2
2 - DEA Hank dead leaves....1 alive most probably Gomez......................................... 1
6 - Townies (3 dead - Anark (VT), Skyler (town Doc), Walt Jr. (town tracker).................. 3
_____ _______
18 (originally) 11 (left)

So, It doesn't look great for town initially, (3 + WW), except if I am right and all blue factions are town friendly, then 3+WW+Rug+1DEA+2Heisenberg = 8

[TheForgivenOne]

So the breakdown now looks like 6 factions: (this is my OPINION Rodion)

1 - Rug - all by myself - green......................................................................... 1
3 - Mafia (only Gus left)................................................................................ 1
3 - Cartel (only 2 left)................................................................................... 2
1 - WW (most likely town vig - still alive)............................................................ 1
2 - Heisenberg faction (Jesse & ???)................................................................... 2
2 - DEA Hank dead leaves....1 alive most probably Gomez......................................... 1
6 - Townies (3 dead - Anark (VT), Skyler (town Doc), Walt Jr. (town tracker).................. 3
_____ _______
18 (originally) 11 (left)

So, It doesn't look great for town initially, (3 + WW), except if I am right and all blue factions are town friendly, then 3+WW+Rug+1DEA+2Heisenberg = 8

Uhh, I assumed since Mob (Jesse) was masoned with WW, they'd be in the same faction.

[Rugbirn]

@ Mets - MoB said "I am a menber of town". "I win with the town, I just cannot win with the DEA"
So, to answer your specic question to me. I do not know if I believe his wincon or not YET. I would need to know the DEA wincon and I am not sure of that. My guess is that both can only win if town wins AND their opposite factions are eliminated (i.e. if you are DEA - Heisenburgs must be dead, or if you are Heisenbergs, DEA must be dead) as well as mafia & cartel (obvious for a town win).

[Rugbirn]

@TFO, yeh you're right again (tell me agin why I am voting you?). My mistake, so better yet it would kook like (again OPINION Rodion):

1 - Rug - all by myself - green......................................................................... 1
3 - Mafia (only Gus left)................................................................................ 1
3 - Cartel (only 2 left)................................................................................... 2
2 - Heisenberg faction (Jesse, WW).................................................................. 2
2 - DEA Hank dead leaves....1 alive most probably Gomez........................................ 1
7 - Townies (3 dead - Anark (VT), Skyler (town Doc), Walt Jr. (town tracker).................. 4

unvote vote Gregwolf 121

[betiko]

@ Mets - MoB said "I am a menber of town". "I win with the town, I just cannot win with the DEA"
So, to answer your specic question to me. I do not know if I believe his wincon or not YET. I would need to know the DEA wincon and I am not sure of that. My guess is that both can only win if town wins AND their opposite factions are eliminated (i.e. if you are DEA - Heisenburgs must be dead, or if you are Heisenbergs, DEA must be dead) as well as mafia & cartel (obvious for a town win).

So why would mob lie about something "embarassing"? This clearly slipped and it wasn t in his interest to tell the whole town about it. Just think please.

Also it seems like you don t understand our discussions again...
Ww is walter white. Heisenberg is the name of walter and jessie s faction.

[betiko]

@TFO, yeh you're right again (tell me agin why I am voting you?). My mistake, so better yet it would kook like (again OPINION Rodion):

1 - Rug - all by myself - green......................................................................... 1
3 - Mafia (only Gus left)................................................................................ 1
3 - Cartel (only 2 left)................................................................................... 2
2 - Heisenberg faction (Jesse, WW).................................................................. 2
2 - DEA Hank dead leaves....1 alive most probably Gomez........................................ 1
7 - Townies (3 dead - Anark (VT), Skyler (town Doc), Walt Jr. (town tracker).................. 4

unvote vote Gregwolf 121

What is this exactly? It includes the dead people in some factions and just the ones left alive in others. Also how do you know that you are all by yourself? Do you think blue town knows how many were there to start with?

[Rodion]

Left numbers consider all 18 players.
Right numbers consider all 11 living players.

That was easy.

[Rugbirn]

ok, I have to admit i'm laughing my ass off reading these last 2 pages as mob realises he shouldn't have said that "the heisenbergs" can't win with the DEA after admitting he bussed the DEA that was getting night protection after rodion asked rugbirn to do so

Mob, seriously, you have a strange way of playing. when you are mafia and you discuss with your scummates at night, do you also try not to be selfish and you go for the biggest danger for the majority (town)?

@TFO: mob had no idea that super was going to get killed last night. he just needed a random switcheroo so WW could perform the kill on the outed DEA agent.
Ironically enough, cartel chose hank too and killed their godfather

Betiko, what are you talking about? "mob had no idea that super was going to get killed last night." Of course he (Mob) knew that the mafia/cartel would target Hank (cop), and through his very own bussing action, that Super would be killed. That is a no brainer. Plus, your reasoning that cartel and WW picked the same person to kill doesn't make sense UNLESS we have a fourth faction NKer. This is because there were three NK and we do NOT have an N+1 poisoner.

Another point: "he just needed a random switcheroo so WW could perform the kill on the outed DEA agent." Although all factions may have a separate wincon, I believe that all "blue" factions are "town aligned" (Hank was NOT town, but was the "town" cop). If this is the case, why would WW (who at this point is looking like a town vig) want to kill his Brother-in-Law (who is helping town)? Further, IF there is another DEA agent it should be Gomez, and would most likely be the same color as Hank.

I feel to lazy to respond... do I even need to?

a)"Of course he (Mob) knew that the mafia/cartel would target Hank (cop), and through his very own bussing action, that Super would be killed. That is a no brainer. Plus, your reasoning that cartel and WW picked the same person to kill doesn't make sense UNLESS we have a fourth faction NKer. This is because there were three NK and we do NOT have an N+1 poisoner. "

reread TFO's question to me I was answering to with this. we're talking about super, you are talking about CD.
And duhhh, yeah, a cop outs himself, an my crazy theory sustains that cartel and heisenbergs tried to kill him the very same night. makes no sense at all right? what would be the odds of people trying to kill a confirmed enemy at night? sorry about that stupid theory of mine.
i also thought that there was no poisoner according to you, that it was just a modus operandi, now it doesn't fit because of the poisoner theory and there is a fourth killer? what are you talking about?


b)Another point: "he just needed a random switcheroo so WW could perform the kill on the outed DEA agent." Although all factions may have a separate wincon, I believe that all "blue" factions are "town aligned" (Hank was NOT town, but was the "town" cop). If this is the case, why would WW (who at this point is looking like a town vig) want to kill his Brother-in-Law (who is helping town)? Further, IF there is another DEA agent it should be Gomez, and would most likely be the same color as Hank.

I will just let you answer that question by yourself reading the book of revelations by mob deadly. I have already highlighted in red the fun parts.

I know you are being sarcastic, but my point is:
1. NO POISONER N+1 - PERIOD... FACT !!!!!!!!!!!!
2. 3 people died N2 (Walt Jr., Hank, Don)
3. If two factions try to kill one person (Hank), and 3 people die, that leaves TWO (2) OTHER NKers!
So, this would mean:
4. NKers = mafia (faction #1), cartel (faction #2), WW (Heisenberg faction #3), and DEA - Gomez (faction #4)

Are we in agreement?

[strike wolf]

Official Vote Count

Rishaed (1)-Virus90,
Gregwolf121 (4)-Theforgivenone, Betiko, Iron Butterfly, Rugbirn
Theforgivenone
mob deadly
betiko
metsfanmax
rodion
virus90
iron butterfly
Rugbirn (2)-Rodion, Jonty125
Jonty125

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is in one day. As of right now under the rules, Gregwolf would be lynched.

[Rugbirn]

Thank you Rodion, I think Betiko needs a nap, what time is it in Paris - Betiko?

[betiko]

Nooo. Listen i m going to reexplain my theory for the very last time as this is only for you and I m not very patient with those type of things.

Heisenbergs: to go through the possible night protection on their target CD, mob bussed CD with a random person and they chose super. This way his partner WW targeted super. But as it was all organized and planned, targeting super leaded to actually kill safely CD.

You protected CD originally. But in fact with the bussing what you end up doing is frame super as he was cartel scum.

Cartel decided to kill CD as a cop is a huge threat for them. He got bussed with their own godfather. The cartel killer who would ve hit initially a protected cop... Ended up killing its own framed godfather. Which is a triple irony and absolutely hilarious.

[Rugbirn]

O.K. Thank you for the simplistic explaination, but I think our wavelengths were in agreement with that part. My confusion came when you stated that WW and the cartel picked the same target (Hank --> Super), meaning that there would have been 4 NK actions in N2 (2 being the same target).

[Rugbirn]

O.K. Thank you for the simplistic explaination, but I think our wavelengths were in agreement with that part. My confusion came when you stated that WW and the cartel picked the same target (Hank --> Super), meaning that there would have been 4 NK actions in N2 (2 being the same target).

[Rugbirn]

So, Mets and MoB are you guys voting to lynch?

[MoB Deadly]

I dont have a vote today.
But if I could I would vote Gregwolf > jonty > Rugbirn

I think gregwolfs claim is very weak
I think jonty is equally as scummy as gregwolf
and I think your role is too valuable to lynch today. Like it or not, we need you right now. If there is another poison though I will absolutely vote you tomorrow.