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Re: Terminator Mafia Game Thread Day 1 (1 day 5 hrs till ni

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Apr 14, 2011 1:39 am

We wouldn't learn anything new. That was more to address Violet's point that we need a lynch. Not that we need to learn more, just that we need to kill someone. I'm sorry if I jump all over the place. I try to address the points as they come up. Sustained case-building doesn't make sense this early on when most of the cases are foggy in any case. You are correct that I did not vote for AoG. That's because I do not think an arbitrary lynch is the way to go.

You call me a bad player: that's fine, I'm not a great player. However, I am undefeated as mafia on this site and your first two posts were using my patented mafia strategy. That is why my vote is on you. That is why it is staying on you. If someone can provide a more reasonable lynch within the deadline I will switch.

Note: I do not actually have a patent on that strategy. You are free to use it, but I will catch you:)
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Re: Terminator Mafia Game Thread Day 1 (1 day 5 hrs till ni

Postby jeraado on Thu Apr 14, 2011 1:50 am

DoomYoshi wrote:We wouldn't learn anything new. That was more to address Violet's point that we need a lynch. Not that we need to learn more, just that we need to kill someone. I'm sorry if I jump all over the place. I try to address the points as they come up. Sustained case-building doesn't make sense this early on when most of the cases are foggy in any case. You are correct that I did not vote for AoG. That's because I do not think an arbitrary lynch is the way to go.

You call me a bad player: that's fine, I'm not a great player. However, I am undefeated as mafia on this site and your first two posts were using my patented mafia strategy. That is why my vote is on you. That is why it is staying on you. If someone can provide a more reasonable lynch within the deadline I will switch.

Note: I do not actually have a patent on that strategy. You are free to use it, but I will catch you:)


Bud, I'm not saying you're a bad player, I'm saying that justifying something by saying "that's what I do" is bad. If you crashed your car into someone's house, then said "sorry I was drink-driving but get used to it because that's how I roll, well you'd find yourself locked up pretty quickly. Sorry if it came off as having a go at you personally, and it certainly wasn't intended to start a bragging contest.

Vio isn't suggesting that we must kill for the sake of killing, she's saying that we've got to keep gathering more information, and if a light lynch is required to do that then so be it. Even if it does down to a lynch due to the deadline, then we can still gain information through who votes and who doesn't, a role-claim, comments leading up to the lynch. These can all be valuable later in the game.
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Re: Terminator Mafia Game Thread Day 1 (1 day 5 hrs till ni

Postby safariguy5 on Thu Apr 14, 2011 1:56 am

Vote Count

DoomYoshi(4)- MeDeFe, tails, Vio, jeraado
No Lynch(1)- AoG
blake(3)- Rodion, naxus, shieldgenerator7
jeraado(1)- Yoshi

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

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Re: Terminator Mafia Game Thread Day 1 (3 days till night)

Postby 00iCon on Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:08 am

shieldgenerator7 wrote:I feel like you just served us a meal of insults and a desert of summary. I don't see much substance in this post that hasn't been said already. Does the underlined part mean you are not human and possibly robot scum?

Firstly, sorry if any of your puny human emotions have been smashed.
Second, I'm extremely unwilling to reveal my thought since they rely on someone slipping up and they will be more careful if they're under my suspicion.
Third, despite whatever I am in real life, I'm a puny human in this game.

I am unwilling to lynch anyone a this point... i must regretfully agree with AoG...
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Re: Terminator Mafia Game Thread Day 1 (1 day 5 hrs till ni

Postby blakebowling on Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:31 am

blakebowling wrote:Vote DoomYoshi. I was hoping I wasn't the only one seeing something weird about him accusing everyone.

EBWOP

Vote DoomYoshi (Forgot to bold, so I said it again incase he misses the quote)
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Re: Terminator Mafia Game Thread Day 1 (24 hrs till night)

Postby shieldgenerator7 on Thu Apr 14, 2011 11:11 am

DoomYoshi wrote:In honour of the age old tradition: Don't lynch me, I'm a Super-townie

But seriously, if random lynch it is, why not go for the claimed vanilla townie? Or get an inactive. I am on here night and day trying to keep the convo moving so people can put their scumhunting to good use.

prodding or voting for inactives sounds logically, but also scummy in this context. People are voting for you and you're trying to get attention to other people rather than yourself, rather than defending yourself. You're trying to spread people's vote around so we don't have a lynch. Scummy? Maybe. Claiming super townie even as a joke? Maybe a scum-tell... who knows? Sounds suspicious. Unvote Vote DoomYoshi
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Re: Terminator Mafia Game Thread Day 1 (24 hrs till night)

Postby Rodion on Thu Apr 14, 2011 11:44 am

DoomYoshi is at L-1. Next vote hammers him.

I'm feeling kind of eery that an innocent townie might be in line for a hasty execution. When looking at his friendly Yoshi avatar (plus realizing his CC profile says student, so he's presumably young) I sort of buy that his behavior is more immature ("unthought through") than scummy.

I understand why everyone is voting on Yoshi and I can't really blame you all. I just resorted to metagaming and think his actions might be explained due to his age rather than due to a possible mafia alignment. Then again, I can be wrong here (and considering his lynch seems almost inevitable, I hope I am!).

I also think Blake is dodging a serious bullet with this Yoshi possible lynch. He cast the 6th vote on AoG and was the first to withdraw it after his roleclaim. He also cast the 6th vote on Yoshi (or 4th if you consider his "unbolded" vote). And no, Violet, I didn't get Blake's role clue. My vote is still on Blake.
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Re: Terminator Mafia Game Thread Day 1 (24 hrs till night)

Postby blakebowling on Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:02 pm

I voted 4th on Yoshi, and it would be 5th if you didn't count the un-bold one. (shield was 6th).

I don't wish to reveal my role, however if the majority of the town wishes for me to, I will.

I don't see why you're still voting me Rodion, IF it is just because you haven't seen a reason to unvote, I understand.
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Re: Terminator Mafia Game Thread Day 1 (24 hrs till night)

Postby Rodion on Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:09 pm

blakebowling wrote:I voted 4th on Yoshi, and it would be 5th if you didn't count the un-bold one. (shield was 6th).

I don't wish to reveal my role, however if the majority of the town wishes for me to, I will.

I don't see why you're still voting me Rodion, IF it is just because you haven't seen a reason to unvote, I understand.


Yes, it's 4th/5th and not 4th/6th as I had said. For that I'm sorry.

About my vote, I found no reason to unvote, yes. Moreover (and that's just a cherry on top), I noticed this is the second time you cast a vote at the "2nd half" (6th AoG and 4th/5th Yoshi depending on how you count it) of the lynching process. I'm not sure if the name you guys have for that is sheeping (this is the first day of my first mafia game), but it sounds scummy to me regardless of the name.
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Re: Terminator Mafia Game Thread Day 1 (1 day 5 hrs till ni

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:27 pm

jeraado wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:We wouldn't learn anything new. That was more to address Violet's point that we need a lynch. Not that we need to learn more, just that we need to kill someone. I'm sorry if I jump all over the place. I try to address the points as they come up. Sustained case-building doesn't make sense this early on when most of the cases are foggy in any case. You are correct that I did not vote for AoG. That's because I do not think an arbitrary lynch is the way to go.

You call me a bad player: that's fine, I'm not a great player. However, I am undefeated as mafia on this site and your first two
posts were using my patented mafia strategy. That is why my vote is on you. That is why it is staying on you. If someone can provide a more reasonable lynch within the deadline I will switch.

Note: I do not actually have a patent on that strategy. You are free to use it, but I will catch you:)


Bud, I'm not saying you're a bad player, I'm saying that justifying something by saying "that's what I do" is bad. If you crashed your car into someone's house, then said "sorry I was drink-driving but get used to it because that's how I roll, well you'd find yourself locked up pretty quickly. Sorry if it came off as having a go at you personally, and it certainly wasn't intended to start a bragging contest.

Vio isn't suggesting that we must kill for the sake of killing, she's saying that we've got to keep gathering more information, and if a light lynch is required to do that then so be it. Even if it does down to a lynch due to the deadline, then we can still gain information through who votes and who doesn't, a role-claim, comments leading up to the lynch. These can all be valuable later in the game.


Actually, Violet is suggesting we kill for the sake of killing. That is evidenced by her post:

VioIet wrote:You have to bold it blake, for the vote to count.

And if the vote count that I have in my head is correct- both blake and yoshi each have 3 votes right now.
Directly split down the middle. My current vote on Tails is from the joke vote stage, and certainly isn't helping us get anywhere so I will Unvote

Blake gave a subtle hint to his role earlier- I don't know if anyone caught it or not. I caught it, and would prefer not to vote for him right now.

Sorry Doom, but we do need a Day 1 lynch.

Vote Doom Yoshi


Notice how there is nothing stated about information. Notice how her argument is not "we need more information". Notice how it is "we need a lynch". vote jeraado x2 for skimming. Furthermore, the chance that Violet would be back before the deadline or a lynch is pretty slim. She is very regular in her posting. How could she possibly get any information anyways?

As to "that's how i roll" being a defense. sg7 said he thought it was suspicious. It is not suspicious since it is how I usually play.

@sg7: you want me to defend myself? Right now there is a double standard in why I am being voted for. MeDefe and Freezie are voting for me since I suggested that the purpose of a vote is not to get a lynch but to gather information. jeraado (and maybe VIolete) is voting for me using my own arguments against me. sg7 and blake are voting for me since there was a BW and they don't want to miss any. How can I defend against that?

At L-1 I have to claim, but we are now screwed as Humans. I am John Connor. As in THE John Connor. The one from the future who saves humanity. I am a town protection role. Any of the other protectors should keep all eyes on me tonight if possible. Hopefully, I am correct in figuring out who you are and I can protect you too.
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Re: Terminator Mafia Game Thread Day 1 (24 hrs till night)

Postby safariguy5 on Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:52 pm

Vote Count

DoomYoshi(6)- MeDeFe, tails, Vio, jeraado, blake, shieldgenerator7
No Lynch(1)- AoG
blake(2)- Rodion, naxus
jeraado(1)- Yoshi

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline in 13 hours.
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Re: Terminator Mafia Game Thread Day 1 (13 hrs till night)

Postby shieldgenerator7 on Thu Apr 14, 2011 1:04 pm

Yoshi, how can there be two John Connors? Would safariguy seriously put two of them in this game?
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Re: Terminator Mafia Game Thread Day 1 (13 hrs till night)

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Apr 14, 2011 1:17 pm

There are 3 John Connors from the movie. AoG is from Terminator 2 where John Connor is a child. Then there is Term 3 where John Connor is a young adult. Theoretically he could also include a John Connor who is just an egg and sperm coupling from the first movie. I am going to assume you haven't seen the movies? Also, in BTTF there will multiple characters from different timelines. That information was included in the post where you signed up. FOS on shield for skimming.
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Re: Terminator Mafia Game Thread Day 1 (13 hrs till night)

Postby Rodion on Thu Apr 14, 2011 1:21 pm

AoG specifically claimed "John Connor from T2", so it's possible that there are other John Connor roles.

What I don't buy is Yoshi claiming a protective role and asking to be protected as well. That would mean there are at least 2 protective roles. That would also mean Yoshi is convinced there are multiple protective roles (how can he know that? Is he both a Mason and a doctor? That would mean his Mason friend is ALSO a doctor?). This being a small game (12 players), I think there's only one protective role/doctor and Yoshi's request to be protected shows that he isn't the said doctor he claimed to be. Besides, AoG claimed in a specific format. "I'm John Connor from T2". Yoshi didn't claim to be "John Connor from T1/T3".

I know this might sound scummy, since a few posts ago I kind of defended Yoshi for his "mistakes" being innocent, but I now think this is too much.

Unvote blakebowling.

FOS blakebowling (could the cop please investigate him?)

Vote DoomYoshi. (sorry, buddy. Still love your avatar, though ;) )
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Re: Terminator Mafia Game Thread Day 1 (13 hrs till night)

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Apr 14, 2011 1:22 pm

Ok. Good game guys.
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Re: Terminator Mafia Game Thread Day 1 (13 hrs till night)

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Apr 14, 2011 1:24 pm

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Re: Terminator Mafia Game Thread Day 1 (13 hrs till night)

Postby safariguy5 on Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:58 pm

Vote Count

DoomYoshi(7)- MeDeFe, tails, Vio, jeraado, blake, shieldgenerator7, Rodion
No Lynch(1)- AoG
blake(1)-naxus
jeraado(1)- Yoshi

DoomYoshi has been lynched, scene coming up.
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Re: Terminator Mafia Game Thread Day 1 (13 hrs till night)

Postby safariguy5 on Thu Apr 14, 2011 5:03 pm

Scene

As the day began, the people eyed each other warily. There were several new faces, none of which seemed to be particularly suspicious looking. Finally, AoG suggested that they proceed to night without a lynch. This caused him to receive a lot of heat, and he finally claimed that he was John Connor. A blakebowling vote and unvote received a lot of attention, but it was the actions of DoomYoshi that finally tipped the scales. His behavior seemed almost reckless, and the other people didn't believe him when he claimed also to be a John Connor character. They hauled him up to the minefield and threw him out there.

DoomYoshi, John Connor (Salvation)- Town Jailkeeper has been lynched!

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Re: Terminator Mafia Game Thread Night 1

Postby safariguy5 on Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:15 pm

Scene

The T-800, clad in leather jacket and shotgun, guarded John Connor. Standing guard inside the gas station, he didn't notice another model T-800 until it was almost too late. The two titans grappled, but eventually, the element of surprise proved the deciding factor.


shieldgenerator7, T-800 from Terminator 2, Town Bodyguard has been killed!

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It is now Day 2, with 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
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Re: Terminator Mafia Game Thread Day 2 I know now why you cr

Postby blakebowling on Sat Apr 16, 2011 9:17 pm

Vote Rodion

I investigated him last night, he is guilty.
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Re: Terminator Mafia Game Thread Day 2 I know now why you cr

Postby freezie on Sat Apr 16, 2011 9:35 pm

blakebowling wrote:Vote Rodion

I investigated him last night, he is guilty.



Sweet :)

Vote: Rodion

With a bodyguard and a jailkeeper out of the way, however, it's quite likely we have maybe 1, if not none, protection role left..If there is a watcher or tracker, now's the time to be smart.
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Re: Terminator Mafia Game Thread Day 2 I know now why you cr

Postby naxus on Sat Apr 16, 2011 10:33 pm

freezie wrote:
blakebowling wrote:Vote Rodion

I investigated him last night, he is guilty.



Sweet :)

Vote: Rodion

With a bodyguard and a jailkeeper out of the way, however, it's quite likely we have maybe 1, if not none, protection role left..If there is a watcher or tracker, now's the time to be smart.



Before we immediately kill Rodion, lets try and clear the air a little.

Blake, With your investigation did it come back as "He is guilty" or was there flavor text with it?Also with this being your first investigation and this games theme, your sanity can be thrown into question.But then again the size of the game limits that.

I agree freezie that we need to play smart, and not blindly follow someone without a little bit of info.

FOS Rodion and Blake
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Re: Terminator Mafia Game Thread Day 2 I know now why you cr

Postby blakebowling on Sat Apr 16, 2011 10:43 pm

naxus wrote:
freezie wrote:
blakebowling wrote:Vote Rodion

I investigated him last night, he is guilty.



Sweet :)

Vote: Rodion

With a bodyguard and a jailkeeper out of the way, however, it's quite likely we have maybe 1, if not none, protection role left..If there is a watcher or tracker, now's the time to be smart.



Before we immediately kill Rodion, lets try and clear the air a little.

Blake, With your investigation did it come back as "He is guilty" or was there flavor text with it?Also with this being your first investigation and this games theme, your sanity can be thrown into question.But then again the size of the game limits that.

I agree freezie that we need to play smart, and not blindly follow someone without a little bit of info.

FOS Rodion and Blake

My PM from safari had three words. "Radion is guilty" (with guilty in Red). I thought about sanity as well, however with only having 12 people, I highly doubt there are two cops.
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Re: Terminator Mafia Game Thread Day 2 I know now why you cr

Postby freezie on Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:46 pm

naxus wrote:
freezie wrote:
blakebowling wrote:Vote Rodion

I investigated him last night, he is guilty.



Sweet :)

Vote: Rodion

With a bodyguard and a jailkeeper out of the way, however, it's quite likely we have maybe 1, if not none, protection role left..If there is a watcher or tracker, now's the time to be smart.



Before we immediately kill Rodion, lets try and clear the air a little.

Blake, With your investigation did it come back as "He is guilty" or was there flavor text with it?Also with this being your first investigation and this games theme, your sanity can be thrown into question.But then again the size of the game limits that.

I agree freezie that we need to play smart, and not blindly follow someone without a little bit of info.

FOS Rodion and Blake



PLz tell me where the f*ck I said it wasn't smart to vote rodion? You may not have realised but my vote is on him, I trust blake completly and I doubt we ahve an not-sane cop. Plz read before posting...
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Re: Terminator Mafia Game Thread Day 2 I know now why you cr

Postby Rodion on Sun Apr 17, 2011 1:12 am

Let's recall some fun facts about day 1.

Blake cast the 6th vote on AoG (giving anyone a chance to hammer the guy just because he has a different strategy and forcing a town roleclaim that could have allowed the mafia to know who the doctor is - luckily, AoG claimed to be just a VT). He then cast the 4th/5th vote on DoomYoshi (which is usually when mafia members vote on townies). Let's remember exactly what he said at the moment.

blakebowling wrote:Vote DoomYoshi. I was hoping I wasn't the only one seeing something weird about him accusing everyone.


Probably the fakest day 1 affirmation. Blake's one-liner (because writing a lot could lead you into contradicting yourself - has anyone noticed how terse Blake's posts are?) implies that he considered Yoshi to be scummy and was happy that others agreed with him, while, in fact, Blake would have voted on any townie that was close to being lynched (just like he had done with AoG). Blake couldn't be happy by the fact that the "majority" agreed with him on DoomYoshi specifically because it was HIM that "agreed" to the majority in order to get a townie lynched or at least to force a second roleclaim (both things happened, by the way, as Yoshi roleclaimed only to be mistakenly hammered by, of all people, me). Let's not forget that, when day 1 ended, the townie that suspected Blake the most was me. I had, in fact, asked the cop to investigate him right before night 1 started.

Now, I'd like everyone to make a brief thought exercise. Imagine you're a cop. Imagine that you investigated someone that did a somewhat scummy act at the very end of day 1 (because I must admit that lynching Yoshi after I had just defended him - and later seeing that he was indeed telling the truth - is a decent reason for people to consider me suspicious). Imagine that your investigation report said the guy was guilty. Now, imagine, also, that 2 town protective PRs have died, meaning it is unlikely that there is a another one out there and that your cop role is likely the most precious role the town has. Question:

would you reveal to be a cop unless it was absolutely necessary? Who would be there to protect you on night 2?

You're all obviously free to draw your own conclusions, but I'll show you mine.

[quote="thinking like a true cop"[/quote]If I was the cop, I'd have tried to lynch the person I investigated WITHOUT promptly claiming my role. After all, I could use that person's hammering vote and his 180º degree opinion on DoomYoshi against him. That means I could try get him (someone from the mafia) lynched WITHOUT revealing my power role and thus WITHOUT giving the mafia a great advantage by killing the most important town role on night 2 (remember: 2 protective roles have already bit the dust - killing the cop after he claims is extremely easy). Again, I'd have tried. If I later seemed unable to get him lynched through other means than claiming, then (and only then) I would have claimed[/quote

All that said, I find it EXTREMELY convenient that the scummiest day 1 alive player decides to reveal himself a cop and claim that the townie that suspected him the most during day 1 is scum. The fact that he claimed so quickly and certainly before it was absolutely necessary only shows the despair of scum trying to get the bullseye out of his own back by preemptively accusing his accuser.

For the aforementioned reasons, vote blakebowling.

FOS freezie for sheeping blake so quickly and later justifying himself saying he trusted blake completely. Blake is mafia and trusting him completely is miles beyond scummy.

I'll roleclaim later, if necessary.
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