Asylum Mafia-Endgame-Cult Wins!

[DoomYoshi]

Communists hate everything, including the amazing John Smith. They also hate puppies. Those bastards.

And snowvillage. Staying true to your PR is one thing. Refusing to help generate any discussion or answer any accusations while brandishing your PR as a shield is another. Can you "flow" a legitimate response to my former post in my general direction? Thanks.

There's something in the way this moves... +1 for 'flowing' together. I understand your reluctance to warp your words to fit our fancies. Your words are a gateway to your soul and by warping them, your soul may be stuck forever.

Let's break this down nice and easy for you. If you do not make sense, you are going to die.

Let's start with what "praising my oneness" you were talking about. If you are John Smith, reply in pink for your next post. If not, continue responding in purple. If you have to keep purple at least choose a different purple, or find some other way to communicate this to us.

**Walks up to the deputy**

I tell ya what, I'm not so sure this John Smith guy is one to be praised... This one boy from a town a hundred miles out said he was some kinda politician. Nothin' good ever come from them damn politics...

-Sully

How dare you, sir. John Smith is the greatest man who ever lived. He is a beacon of everything good in the world. You know who else doesn't like John Smith? Communists. Are you a communist, sir?

FoS Communists

Communists? I thought you were talking about this John Smith.

You are missing the real John Smith:

[shieldgenerator7]

[/Joke Vote Stage]
[Serious Vote Stage]
It really seems people have stopped joking, and have seriously started to pay attention to snow village. So I'll just declare the joke vote stage to be over. We just crossed this line:
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So now, I really don't think there's much of a case on snow village because he really didn't do anything scummy as of yet, and it seems yoshi and evilchaos are just trying to extract info from him. Maybe i'm missing something, but that is how it appears to me. I mean, no one has yet posted a coherent case on snow village yet, so he's still innocent until proven guilty.
So now that we're out of the joke vote stage, UNVOTE

[DoomYoshi]

Whoa... I misread up there. He claimed as busdriver. Ok, I think that it is safe to disregard my last post.

[safariguy5]

Whoa... I misread up there. He claimed as busdriver. Ok, I think that it is safe to disregard my last post.

Wait a minute, if he's claiming busdriver, I have a serious problem with that. I need to know whether or not he really is or if he's just using the PR.

[DoomYoshi]

He definitely did... Neal Cassady as a beatnik makes total sense actually...

[safariguy5]

He definitely did... Neal Cassady as a beatnik makes total sense actually...

Well I'm Reg Vorney, Actor, and Town Busdriver. I dunno if naxus is as crazy as fircoal can be, but game this size, I'm not sure if we would have two bus drivers. Maybe 1 town and 1 mafia, but ionno about mod intentions.

[shieldgenerator7]

If there isn't supposed to be two busdrivers, then it boils down to whether the town believes safari over snowvillage. We can't say whether either one of them is lying, however, it does seem that safari is more truthful because he doesn't have a pr, and thus we can better understand his arguments. It is unlikely, but snowvillage could have been mafia and made up his own pr. Again, it's unlikely because he's new and probably would not have known to make up his own pr, but it is still a possibility. And it's also possible snow is telling the truth and safari is lying. Why would safari lie? So he could get the hippie lynched, or because of a hidden agenda.

It is also possible both are telling the truth, and then we have to ask: why does this game have two busdrivers and what purpose is this supposed to serve? IDK as of yet. I think it's more likely there's only one busdriver.

[safariguy5]

If there isn't supposed to be two busdrivers, then it boils down to whether the town believes safari over snowvillage. We can't say whether either one of them is lying, however, it does seem that safari is more truthful because he doesn't have a pr, and thus we can better understand his arguments. It is unlikely, but snowvillage could have been mafia and made up his own pr. Again, it's unlikely because he's new and probably would not have known to make up his own pr, but it is still a possibility. And it's also possible snow is telling the truth and safari is lying. Why would safari lie? So he could get the hippie lynched, or because of a hidden agenda.

It is also possible both are telling the truth, and then we have to ask: why does this game have two busdrivers and what purpose is this supposed to serve? IDK as of yet. I think it's more likely there's only one busdriver.

See, that's why I was hesitating, because snow didn't make it really clear if he was claiming when he posted what Yoshi interprets as a claim.

[DoomYoshi]

In the town where I was born,
There lived a man
Who claimed to be...
A busdriving Hippy
(sorry i missed my PR a couple more times:()

He says he drives a bus. The real Neal Cassady may have toured in a VW bus, but it wasn't "his job". That's why I interpret it as a claim. It's possible naxus is experimenting with sanities. An insane busdriver would be an interesting twist...

[Victor Sullivan]

Whoa, whoa, whoa... First of all, I don't have a PR, I was totally BS-ing everyone (I enjoyed it, for the record ). Second, I'm Ralph Crandem, Town Busdriver. WTF?!?

-Sully

[evilchaos]

What are you guys talking about? I'm the busdriver!

Nah, I'm just screwing with you. As always, I am simply a John Smith fanatic. As everyone should be - because he is epic in everything that he does.

I'm keeping my vote on snowvillage. I think his claim (if it is one?) is suspect. Safari and Sully counter-claimed, so someone is lieing. Two busdrivers is possible, but three?

[DoomYoshi]

Well, 4 (or 5) cops or doctors is possible... why not busdrivers? They are very popular here... Just like they are Back in the USSR

[safariguy5]

Well, 4 (or 5) cops or doctors is possible... why not busdrivers? They are very popular here... Just like they are Back in the USSR

Wasn't there something said about mafia making up PR's to blend in? Do we want to pursue this admission by Victor about not having a PR?

Whoa, whoa, whoa... First of all, I don't have a PR, I was totally BS-ing everyone (I enjoyed it, for the record ). Second, I'm Ralph Crandem, Town Busdriver. WTF?!?

-Sully

[evilchaos]

Well, 4 (or 5) cops or doctors is possible... why not busdrivers? They are very popular here... Just like they are Back in the USSR

Wasn't there something said about mafia making up PR's to blend in? Do we want to pursue this admission by Victor about not having a PR?

Whoa, whoa, whoa... First of all, I don't have a PR, I was totally BS-ing everyone (I enjoyed it, for the record ). Second, I'm Ralph Crandem, Town Busdriver. WTF?!?

-Sully

That's a very good point, actually. He also said some things that earlier led me to believe that he was a cop. A scum would be motivated to do this, because then a doctor might protect him (from potential vigilantes/SKs) and other cops wouldn't be likely to investigate him. He wouldn't have to worry about scum killing him for coming across as a cop, since he IS scum.

I'm not going to go back several pages to find his post, but I thought he was a cop because he signed his post "Sheriff Sully" and kept talking in a old west sheriff type of way.

[edocsil]

Whoa, whoa, whoa... First of all, I don't have a PR, I was totally BS-ing everyone (I enjoyed it, for the record ). Second, I'm Ralph Crandem, Town Busdriver. WTF?!?

-Sully

Oh my fucking God. Why this O Highest Mod. Pity us please.

[safariguy5]

Whoa, whoa, whoa... First of all, I don't have a PR, I was totally BS-ing everyone (I enjoyed it, for the record ). Second, I'm Ralph Crandem, Town Busdriver. WTF?!?

-Sully

Oh my fucking God. Why this O Highest Mod. Pity us please.

So we're entertaining the idea of 2 possible busdrivers with snowvillage possibly hinting that he is one too?

[MeDeFe]

Am I getting this right?

Snowvillage, Safariguy, and Sully are all claiming to be a busdriver?

[safariguy5]

Am I getting this right?

Snowvillage, Safariguy, and Sully are all claiming to be a busdriver?

Not sure about snowvillage as he hasn't clarified his original post, but me and sully are.

Also, no PR?

[Victor Sullivan]

The whole "sheriff" thing was to go with the theme, but at the same time protect any potential cops out there. I thought evilchaos liked safariguy5's doubt a little too much: unvote vote evilchaos

-Sully

[snowvillage]

I am a busdriver, plain and simple. My mind cannot imagine there being 3 busdrivers, when all it takes is 1 good one to guide his friends to fulfillment. I do not know which of you is betraying your soul and lying about your profession, but for now I wish to rid ourselves of evilchaos, who surely saw my glowing honesty but decided to push me into a dark corner anyway. You have had little reason to question my love for peace, but you still insist that I'm evil?

Unvote Vote evilchaos

FoS safariguy

[safariguy5]

Damn, 3 busdrivers if this is to be true. Man, cop/doc could be seriously underpowered here as potentially 3 different switches could really mess things up. That said, follow the cop will be much easier because mafia are almost surely not going to be able to target the cop effectively with multiple busdrivers.

I'm not advocating a cop claim obviously, but if someone does find a guilty investigation, then it could be a good idea to claim.

[evilchaos]

If we actually have 3 busdrivers, then a cop's investigation doesn't mean anything. With 9 players total, we have a maximum of six that could be switched. The cop won't investigate himself, so up to 75% (6/8) of his potential targets could be switched, leading to possibly false results.

If we actually have 3 bus drivers, then I would doubt we would have a cop. I can see how 3 bus drivers could fit into the theme, as it would certainly be insane.

As for snowvillage, I was pressuring you because your posts contained little content (or at least very little that would help us in finding scum). This is probably your PR, but I was hoping you would use it to supply content. Posting a lack of helpful analysis is often seen to be a scumtell, as scum are unlikely to help with the investigation. As it appears you have begun to post with content:

Unvote

Also, could you explain why you chose to FoS Safariguy and not Sully? They both did essentially the same thing in claiming bus driver.

John Smith is better than everyone else in the world. All praise John Smith!

[snowvillage]

If we actually have 3 busdrivers, then a cop's investigation doesn't mean anything. With 9 players total, we have a maximum of six that could be switched. The cop won't investigate himself, so up to 75% (6/8) of his potential targets could be switched, leading to possibly false results.

If we actually have 3 bus drivers, then I would doubt we would have a cop. I can see how 3 bus drivers could fit into the theme, as it would certainly be insane.

As for snowvillage, I was pressuring you because your posts contained little content (or at least very little that would help us in finding scum). This is probably your PR, but I was hoping you would use it to supply content. Posting a lack of helpful analysis is often seen to be a scumtell, as scum are unlikely to help with the investigation. As it appears you have begun to post with content:

Unvote

Also, could you explain why you chose to FoS Safariguy and not Sully? They both did essentially the same thing in claiming bus driver.

John Smith is better than everyone else in the world. All praise John Smith!

I spread my energy and give help to those who ask for it. What did Sully ever do that helped you? He still has much to learn about the ways of the world, but you're suggesting his words have been more enlightening than mine. What makes you so attuned to him over me?

And have you witnessed safariguy's insistence on justifying his anxious claim? Oh how he screamed that he had a problem with my veiled claim, and requested that someone else discover the truth about who I am, rather than stay patient and wait for my clarifying voice. The moment he expressed concern over my utterances was the moment we knew he was going to tell us he was a busdriver; so the anxiety he claimed to have felt seemed like a ruse. And did he need to make it known a second time why he hesitated to reveal himself? I do not believe such over-justification is real. His actions should speak for his soul, not his repetitive words.

"Wait a minute, if he's claiming busdriver, I have a serious problem with that. I need to know whether or not he really is or if he's just using the PR."
"Well I'm Reg Vorney, Actor, and Town Busdriver. I dunno if naxus is as crazy as fircoal can be, but game this size, I'm not sure if we would have two bus drivers. Maybe 1 town and 1 mafia, but ionno about mod intentions."
"See, that's why I was hesitating, because snow didn't make it really clear if he was claiming when he posted what Yoshi interprets as a claim."

I understood the hesitation the first time, but to tell us again why he was hesitating? I am picking up a sense of fear in safari, and fear is a dangerous force. And safari, if you let others interpret the world around you, how can you feel comfortable acting on your own? If you still considered my claim as a simple interpretation by Yoshi, and were not sure how to interpret my pronouncement yourself, why give in so quickly and claim?

[naxus]

Vote Count

Com9(1)-Doom
ShieldGen(0)
EvilChaos(2)-Victor, Snowvillage
Snowvillage(2)-Edocsil,Safari
Victor(1)-Mefede,
Mefede(0)-
Safariguy(2)-Com9, Doomyoshi,
Doomyoshi(0)
Edocsil(0)

9 alive, 5 to lynch

[safariguy5]

If we actually have 3 busdrivers, then a cop's investigation doesn't mean anything. With 9 players total, we have a maximum of six that could be switched. The cop won't investigate himself, so up to 75% (6/8) of his potential targets could be switched, leading to possibly false results.

If we actually have 3 bus drivers, then I would doubt we would have a cop. I can see how 3 bus drivers could fit into the theme, as it would certainly be insane.

As for snowvillage, I was pressuring you because your posts contained little content (or at least very little that would help us in finding scum). This is probably your PR, but I was hoping you would use it to supply content. Posting a lack of helpful analysis is often seen to be a scumtell, as scum are unlikely to help with the investigation. As it appears you have begun to post with content:

Unvote

Also, could you explain why you chose to FoS Safariguy and not Sully? They both did essentially the same thing in claiming bus driver.

John Smith is better than everyone else in the world. All praise John Smith!

I spread my energy and give help to those who ask for it. What did Sully ever do that helped you? He still has much to learn about the ways of the world, but you're suggesting his words have been more enlightening than mine. What makes you so attuned to him over me?

And have you witnessed safariguy's insistence on justifying his anxious claim? Oh how he screamed that he had a problem with my veiled claim, and requested that someone else discover the truth about who I am, rather than stay patient and wait for my clarifying voice. The moment he expressed concern over my utterances was the moment we knew he was going to tell us he was a busdriver; so the anxiety he claimed to have felt seemed like a ruse. And did he need to make it known a second time why he hesitated to reveal himself? I do not believe such over-justification is real. His actions should speak for his soul, not his repetitive words.

"Wait a minute, if he's claiming busdriver, I have a serious problem with that. I need to know whether or not he really is or if he's just using the PR."
"Well I'm Reg Vorney, Actor, and Town Busdriver. I dunno if naxus is as crazy as fircoal can be, but game this size, I'm not sure if we would have two bus drivers. Maybe 1 town and 1 mafia, but ionno about mod intentions."
"See, that's why I was hesitating, because snow didn't make it really clear if he was claiming when he posted what Yoshi interprets as a claim."

I understood the hesitation the first time, but to tell us again why he was hesitating? I am picking up a sense of fear in safari, and fear is a dangerous force. And safari, if you let others interpret the world around you, how can you feel comfortable acting on your own? If you still considered my claim as a simple interpretation by Yoshi, and were not sure how to interpret my pronouncement yourself, why give in so quickly and claim?

The hesitation was not due to fear, but due to the fact that I was unsure whether you were actually claiming or just going off on a PR related tangent. Since you were, I thought you were lying until Sully claimed as well.

That said, I think busdriver in such a small game as this is about as powerful as a VT as I don't really see the busdriver role being real helpful to town with apparently multiple versions of it unless all of the busdrivers agree to not use their powers (essentially a VT).