The Whitechapel Murderer- GAME OVER - TOWN WON

[HotShot53]

i agree wholeheartedly with this, to me is the only way the set up could make sense, and i do believe moriarty is most likely on the game. Also i want to point that there is no proof that "jack the reaper" is a man or a lonesome killer, is just a catchy name given by the press.

Now as interesting as this whole set up discussion is, i don't think it will get us closer to have a much needed day 1 lynch, atm there are 2 persons who seem erratic and fishy to me:

1.- Mets BW on DY for quickly unvote after attracting a little of attention, and then justifying himself with a bunch of fluff about poor reading skills (scummiest behaviour of the day so far)

2.- benga with his pointless post's that make it seems like he is contributing when he is only giving a collection of random quotes with a shallow comment thrown in for spice things up, also i don't appreciate his accusation towards neb, saying he is throwing dust on our eyes, when he is obviously just trying to get things going.

is not too much but this is what i gather atm so i will unvote vote benga in an attempt to get a "rhttp://www.conquerclub.com/forum/posting.php?mode=quote&f=213&p=4413365#revieweal" post from him/her

Sorry I haven't posted much yet this game, it's been crazy at work recently, and I'm not really good at figuring things out on day 1 anyway.

I agree with Flores that Mets and benga are the 2 most suspicious at this early point. I would have gone with mets first... but I won't interrupt the benga bandwagon for now. So I'll wait for benga to defend himself (or claim) before deciding to vote on him or start the mets wagon going.

[DoomYoshi]

i agree wholeheartedly with this, to me is the only way the set up could make sense, and i do believe moriarty is most likely on the game. Also i want to point that there is no proof that "jack the reaper" is a man or a lonesome killer, is just a catchy name given by the press.

Now as interesting as this whole set up discussion is, i don't think it will get us closer to have a much needed day 1 lynch, atm there are 2 persons who seem erratic and fishy to me:

1.- Mets BW on DY for quickly unvote after attracting a little of attention, and then justifying himself with a bunch of fluff about poor reading skills (scummiest behaviour of the day so far)

2.- benga with his pointless post's that make it seems like he is contributing when he is only giving a collection of random quotes with a shallow comment thrown in for spice things up, also i don't appreciate his accusation towards neb, saying he is throwing dust on our eyes, when he is obviously just trying to get things going.

is not too much but this is what i gather atm so i will unvote vote benga in an attempt to get a "rhttp://www.conquerclub.com/forum/posting.php?mode=quote&f=213&p=4413365#revieweal" post from him/her

Sorry I haven't posted much yet this game, it's been crazy at work recently, and I'm not really good at figuring things out on day 1 anyway.

I agree with Flores that Mets and benga are the 2 most suspicious at this early point. I would have gone with mets first... but I won't interrupt the benga bandwagon for now. So I'll wait for benga to defend himself (or claim) before deciding to vote on him or start the mets wagon going.

Who do you think is third?

[benga]

At the times I really don't know how you people draw your conclusions and from what.

Guess I am too of a much noob here, but I don't see any reason to defend myself and defend for what?

For leaving my thoughts about some people and their posts?

Flores voted me cause I have FOSed someone (is he protecting somebody?)?

Others just bandwagoned...

[Nebuchadnezer]

At the times I really don't know how you people draw your conclusions and from what.

Guess I am too of a much noob here, but I don't see any reason to defend myself and defend for what?

For leaving my thoughts about some people and their posts?

Flores voted me cause I have FOSed someone (is he protecting somebody?)?

Others just bandwagoned...

So, please explain to us why you voted Flores?

[benga]

At the times I really don't know how you people draw your conclusions and from what.

Guess I am too of a much noob here, but I don't see any reason to defend myself and defend for what?

For leaving my thoughts about some people and their posts?

Flores voted me cause I have FOSed someone (is he protecting somebody?)?

Others just bandwagoned...

So, please explain to us why you voted Flores?

I was pissed at the time by his reason and other stuff...

not sure if he jumped in protection, need more time to investigate

[nagerous]

There really isn't any case on benga other than a n00b OMGUS, which seems to happen in every game I play in. Makes me start to believe n00b OMGUS's aren't a scum tell but just a sign of a new player.

Doom and New Guy were quick to BW though... interesting.

[Iron Butterfly]

There really isn't any case on benga other than a n00b OMGUS, which seems to happen in every game I play in. Makes me start to believe n00b OMGUS's aren't a scum tell but just a sign of a new player.

Doom and New Guy were quick to BW though... interesting.

I agree.

A veteran Mafia player would not OMGUS because it is excepted that it is a scummy tactic/response. A new player will OMGUS because they do not know any better with the thinking being that only mafia would target them if they are Town.

What is interesting is that Doom acknowledges there is a language barrier and that Benga is a newb.

[DoomYoshi]

What is interesting is that we need a day 1 lynch, it is effectively a random lynch and we could do worse than lynching a newb.

[DoomYoshi]

Although I am starting to think he is town.

[Anarkistsdream]

Voting drops to 8 needed for a lynch in exactly 5 hours....

Will post a proper vote count and whatnot later on. Work is kicking my ass right now.

[HotShot53]

There really isn't any case on benga other than a n00b OMGUS, which seems to happen in every game I play in. Makes me start to believe n00b OMGUS's aren't a scum tell but just a sign of a new player.

Doom and New Guy were quick to BW though... interesting.

As stated by nag, the 2 bandwagon votes are suspicious... and maybe more suspicious than a newbie's OMGUS vote.

What is interesting is that we need a day 1 lynch, it is effectively a random lynch and we could do worse than lynching a newb.

I completely disagree with you that since someone needs to be lynched, might as well lynch the newbie... if we want new people to like playing we shouldn't lynch them on day 1.

For reason of the bandwagon vote, and the "oh well, might as well lynch a newbie just to lynch him, even though I think he's town", I am going to vote doomyoshi because that's the closest thing to suspicious I've seen so far. (Plus anark said doomyoshi was going to be jack and we should just lynch him to end the game, right?)

[virus90]

What is interesting is that we need a day 1 lynch, it is effectively a random lynch and we could do worse than lynching a newb.

i agree we need a lynch, it will give a lot of imformation about the game, but we dont have to hurry just yet. vote will go down to 8 in few hours which in my opinion probably means that we have to atleast till the end of the weekend/ start of next week, before a lynch becomes realistic. think we should aim for a 5 - 6 vote lynch. be sure its done before things go wrong because of the countdown or people accidently adding the last vote(s). (a reference to valkyria day 1)

As for who to vote, day 1 case is (almost) always weak, would say look for scummarining. Well kratos has got least posts in... so FOS Kratos...

got fastposted by hotshot

[safariguy5]

There really isn't any case on benga other than a n00b OMGUS, which seems to happen in every game I play in. Makes me start to believe n00b OMGUS's aren't a scum tell but just a sign of a new player.

Doom and New Guy were quick to BW though... interesting.

As stated by nag, the 2 bandwagon votes are suspicious... and maybe more suspicious than a newbie's OMGUS vote.

What is interesting is that we need a day 1 lynch, it is effectively a random lynch and we could do worse than lynching a newb.

I completely disagree with you that since someone needs to be lynched, might as well lynch the newbie... if we want new people to like playing we shouldn't lynch them on day 1.

For reason of the bandwagon vote, and the "oh well, might as well lynch a newbie just to lynch him, even though I think he's town", I am going to vote doomyoshi because that's the closest thing to suspicious I've seen so far. (Plus anark said doomyoshi was going to be jack and we should just lynch him to end the game, right?)

I think that Doom worded it poorly when he said the lynch was "random". I don't believe it was random insofar as there was an OMGUS vote by benga and therefore some justification for pressure. However, I take issue not so much with the noob defense, but more that people are willing to buy the noob defense by benga. I know I've come into conflict with Fir over this before, but remember that the roles are given randomly. Statistically, benga could very well be town. However, on the off chance that he is one of the killers, accepting a noob defense now puts us on a slippery slope of accepting the same rationale later on. I want to hear a claim from benga before we decide whether to believe him. If he indeed is a killer, I could see him hide behind the noob defense if pressured later on if we allow him to skate with no information now.

[benga]

There really isn't any case on benga other than a n00b OMGUS, which seems to happen in every game I play in. Makes me start to believe n00b OMGUS's aren't a scum tell but just a sign of a new player.

Doom and New Guy were quick to BW though... interesting.

As stated by nag, the 2 bandwagon votes are suspicious... and maybe more suspicious than a newbie's OMGUS vote.

What is interesting is that we need a day 1 lynch, it is effectively a random lynch and we could do worse than lynching a newb.

I completely disagree with you that since someone needs to be lynched, might as well lynch the newbie... if we want new people to like playing we shouldn't lynch them on day 1.

For reason of the bandwagon vote, and the "oh well, might as well lynch a newbie just to lynch him, even though I think he's town", I am going to vote doomyoshi because that's the closest thing to suspicious I've seen so far. (Plus anark said doomyoshi was going to be jack and we should just lynch him to end the game, right?)

I think that Doom worded it poorly when he said the lynch was "random". I don't believe it was random insofar as there was an OMGUS vote by benga and therefore some justification for pressure. However, I take issue not so much with the noob defense, but more that people are willing to buy the noob defense by benga. I know I've come into conflict with Fir over this before, but remember that the roles are given randomly. Statistically, benga could very well be town. However, on the off chance that he is one of the killers, accepting a noob defense now puts us on a slippery slope of accepting the same rationale later on. I want to hear a claim from benga before we decide whether to believe him. If he indeed is a killer, I could see him hide behind the noob defense if pressured later on if we allow him to skate with no information now.

I am part of town, named Alfred Napier Blanchard and I get to vote.

My vote on flores stands, only thing he did in this game is voted me on nothing.

My other suspicions will need time to be confirmed.

[kratos644]

What is interesting is that we need a day 1 lynch, it is effectively a random lynch and we could do worse than lynching a newb.

i agree we need a lynch, it will give a lot of imformation about the game, but we dont have to hurry just yet. vote will go down to 8 in few hours which in my opinion probably means that we have to atleast till the end of the weekend/ start of next week, before a lynch becomes realistic. think we should aim for a 5 - 6 vote lynch. be sure its done before things go wrong because of the countdown or people accidently adding the last vote(s). (a reference to valkyria day 1)

As for who to vote, day 1 case is (almost) always weak, would say look for scummarining. Well kratos has got least posts in... so FOS Kratos...

got fastposted by hotshot

I'm not scummarining. Work was just crazy this week. We had a guy quit so we have had to pick up his slack which unfortunately has involved taking some work home. Will be more active this weekend as I'll finally have some free time

[Nebuchadnezer]

There really isn't any case on benga other than a n00b OMGUS, which seems to happen in every game I play in. Makes me start to believe n00b OMGUS's aren't a scum tell but just a sign of a new player.

Doom and New Guy were quick to BW though... interesting.

As stated by nag, the 2 bandwagon votes are suspicious... and maybe more suspicious than a newbie's OMGUS vote.

What is interesting is that we need a day 1 lynch, it is effectively a random lynch and we could do worse than lynching a newb.

I completely disagree with you that since someone needs to be lynched, might as well lynch the newbie... if we want new people to like playing we shouldn't lynch them on day 1.

For reason of the bandwagon vote, and the "oh well, might as well lynch a newbie just to lynch him, even though I think he's town", I am going to vote doomyoshi because that's the closest thing to suspicious I've seen so far. (Plus anark said doomyoshi was going to be jack and we should just lynch him to end the game, right?)

I think that Doom worded it poorly when he said the lynch was "random". I don't believe it was random insofar as there was an OMGUS vote by benga and therefore some justification for pressure. However, I take issue not so much with the noob defense, but more that people are willing to buy the noob defense by benga. I know I've come into conflict with Fir over this before, but remember that the roles are given randomly. Statistically, benga could very well be town. However, on the off chance that he is one of the killers, accepting a noob defense now puts us on a slippery slope of accepting the same rationale later on. I want to hear a claim from benga before we decide whether to believe him. If he indeed is a killer, I could see him hide behind the noob defense if pressured later on if we allow him to skate with no information now.

I am part of town, named Alfred Napier Blanchard and I get to vote.

My vote on flores stands, only thing he did in this game is voted me on nothing.

My other suspicions will need time to be confirmed.

1. Your OMGUS vote was terrible...new or not.
2. Your "I'm new" defense is terrible.
3. I don't like your claim, especially after the breadcrumbs you were dropping...are you sure you have no other information in your claim that you should be sharing?

[FloresDelMal]

Although I am starting to think he is town.

omgus could be a noob mistake, granted, but i have seen nothing that could make him seem town, so are you just throwing this comment because IB and nag found your and neb behaviour scummy?
FOS DY
As for my reason voting him still stands, he hasn't made a single coherent post yet, ah "i OMGUS coz im pissed" doesn't qualify as a contribution by my standards, also i find ridiculous that after everyone bothered to explain what an OMGUS vote is and how it is an scumtell he could persevere on this behaviour, good noobs learn fast, the rest screw us with their obtuseness. Also according his claim, he might not be the ripper, but he surely is not pro-town, and if he is a jester i could prefer to get it over

Alfred Napier Blanchard

Blanchard, a 34 year old canvasser, who resided at 2 Rowland Grove, Rowland Road, Handsworth, was arrested in the Fox And Goose public house, Newton Row Aston, Birmingham, on 5 October 1888 after being overheard describing how he had committed the Whitechapel murders. According to the landlord of the Fox And Goose, Richard King, Blanchard entered the pub on Friday morning at about 11 o'clock and commenced drinking until quarter past 8 at night. He consumed about 5 and a half pints of beer. While in the pub, Blanchard struck up a conversation with the landlord and asked him what kind of detectives they had in Birmingham, the landlord replied that he believed them to be very clever men, to which Blanchard replied, 'It would be a funny thing if the Whitechapel murderer were to give himself up in Birmingham', before declaring, 'I am the Whitechapel murderer'. Someone asked him how he had done the murders without making the victims scream, to which he explained that this was done by simply placing the thumb and finger on the windpipe and cutting the throat with the right hand, he also claimed he had done six of them in London. Blanchard said to the landlord, 'you are a fool if you don't get the thousend pounds reward offered for me, You may have as well have it as anyone else'.

When he appeared in court he told the magistrates that after drinking heavily and reading about the murders he had became excited and claimed them as his own. After police inquires, it was proved he was in Manchester when the Whitechapel murders occurred, and had been there for some two months prior to his visit to Birmingham.

remember that the roles are given randomly. Statistically, benga could very well be town. However, on the off chance that he is one of the killers, accepting a noob defense now puts us on a slippery slope of accepting the same rationale later on. I want to hear a claim from benga before we decide whether to believe him. If he indeed is a killer, I could see him hide behind the noob defense if pressured later on if we allow him to skate with no information now.

QFT

[virus90]

What is interesting is that we need a day 1 lynch, it is effectively a random lynch and we could do worse than lynching a newb.

i agree we need a lynch, it will give a lot of imformation about the game, but we dont have to hurry just yet. vote will go down to 8 in few hours which in my opinion probably means that we have to atleast till the end of the weekend/ start of next week, before a lynch becomes realistic. think we should aim for a 5 - 6 vote lynch. be sure its done before things go wrong because of the countdown or people accidently adding the last vote(s). (a reference to valkyria day 1)

As for who to vote, day 1 case is (almost) always weak, would say look for scummarining. Well kratos has got least posts in... so FOS Kratos...

got fastposted by hotshot

I'm not scummarining. Work was just crazy this week. We had a guy quit so we have had to pick up his slack which unfortunately has involved taking some work home. Will be more active this weekend as I'll finally have some free time

i understand it mate, had an 45 hour + week of work myself as well with lots of responsibility's.finally it was friday so i was allowed to get pissed tonight!

[Nebuchadnezer]

i understand it mate, had an 45 hour + week of work myself as well with lots of responsibility's.finally it was friday so i was allowed to get pissed tonight!

Wait, wait, wait...a 45+ hour work week is considered long? I need to move there. 45 hours is considered an easy/normal week where I live.

omgus could be a noob mistake, granted, but i have seen nothing that could make him seem town, so are you just throwing this comment because IB and nag found your and neb behaviour scummy?
FOS DY

Did I totally skim where IB and Nag thought I was scummy?

[strike wolf]

Mr. Blanchard confessed to the Whitechapel Murders at a bar going as far as to say that he stopped his victims from screaming by pressing down the windpipe with his thumb and finger while cutting their throat (Does not fit the actual method). He was arrested but recanted his confession as drunken ramblings and it was later proven that he had been in Manchester during the Ripper murders.

[Metsfanmax]

1. Your OMGUS vote was terrible...new or not.
2. Your "I'm new" defense is terrible.
3. I don't like your claim, especially after the breadcrumbs you were dropping...are you sure you have no other information in your claim that you should be sharing?

He's not using the "I'm new" defense. He was saying that he didn't see why he needs to post a defense to the accusations of OMGUS. Maybe I'm a noob too, but I also don't see what there is to defend. Only thing he could do is just repeat his original justification for the vote and assert that it's not OMGUS, which is not a defense. It's just repetition.

[DoomYoshi]

What is interesting is that we need a day 1 lynch, it is effectively a random lynch and we could do worse than lynching a newb.

I completely disagree with you that since someone needs to be lynched, might as well lynch the newbie... if we want new people to like playing we shouldn't lynch them on day 1.

For reason of the bandwagon vote, and the "oh well, might as well lynch a newbie just to lynch him, even though I think he's town", I am going to vote doomyoshi because that's the closest thing to suspicious I've seen so far. (Plus anark said doomyoshi was going to be jack and we should just lynch him to end the game, right?)

If you do a quick game check of me, I have never seriously voted a true newb day 1. Benga has played a game here before though, and I modded it.

Although I am starting to think he is town.

omgus could be a noob mistake, granted, but i have seen nothing that could make him seem town, so are you just throwing this comment because IB and nag found your and neb behaviour scummy?

Yes, because my solution to getting out of pressure is saying I want to lynch townies.

In seriousness, I remember his mafia meta, and I am not seeing it anymore.

A VT isn't a huge loss. The problem with dropping lynch deadlines is that a small group of scum could effectively lynch whoever they want.

Benga, if you were to die tomorrow would you understand why you are being lynched?

[Metsfanmax]

Benga, if you were to die tomorrow would you understand why you are being lynched?

This wagon is stupid. OMGUS isn't inherently a scumtell, especially on D1. Everyone who is wagoning on benga is essentially doing an OMGUS.

Vote DY. Evidently I never should have removed my vote...