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[jak111]

im not accusing them all of being scum, or even scummy, but perhaps worth looking into. all im saying is that at times they seem a little off. Thats what ive been saying the last 3 pages. Also, im graduating this weekend, so my activity might be a little iffy. If you are planning to lynch me, please refrain from doing so until monday, or unless i respond at L-1.

SG7, thanks for understanding what i see in clever, hippo, and edoc (finally, SOMEONE sees it). it does not mean that they are necessarily scum, but does mean that if one is, they likely all are.

Clever, you have not been useful to any extent greater than any other VT could be. I have only been useful in that i stirred up a lot of conversation, and since i've been here, cases against you and MoB have gotten much stronger. But anyone COULD have done that. So my vote stays on you.

As for SG7, while i dont think that he's mafia, his last post, telling the mafia what to do was either REALLY REALLY dumb (if it doesnt work or if he is mafia) or quite smart (i think i know what he's playing at)

No, you are saying one of the groups you're picking are scum and to LYNCH at least one in each group of what you believe. That's what you've been saying for the past few pages.

So you think they're not all scummy, yet if one is scum then most likely all of them are.
Nice contradiction.

"Hey, let's point the mafia even further to SG7's post and hope it's for nothing but they don't know something that even I could understand"

Okay, I'm done ripping on Vodean's post for today..

Now onto Clever's post, which looks even more fun to rip up just because of how desperate it seems.

im not accusing them all of being scum, or even scummy, but perhaps worth looking into. all im saying is that at times they seem a little off. Thats what ive been saying the last 3 pages. Also, im graduating this weekend, so my activity might be a little iffy. If you are planning to lynch me, please refrain from doing so until monday, or unless i respond at L-1.

Clever, you have not been useful to any extent greater than any other VT could be. I have only been useful in that i stirred up a lot of conversation, and since i've been here, cases against you and MoB have gotten much stronger. But anyone COULD have done that. So my vote stays on you.

OH REALLY

Clever, no. you are not scummy because you defended people. your buddies hippo and edoc are the ones scummy because the consistently defend me. jak defends me sometimes, but then in the next post he goes and attacks me... im not sure what to make of him. if you are VT, im sorry, but you make scummy posts, and in previous days pushed for VT to be killed

fastposted x3

I am a VT. I dont KNOW whats going on. I just see whats in front of me. Clever is scummy, and when people pressure him, edoc and hipppo defend him. that sounds pretty dirty. if, like jak and doom they were to mason-claim, it might alleviate suspicion (although now, with one pair already claimed, it would put pressure on both of them, because one of them would likely be lying, or mafia-masoned ), so lets go with this, our best lead so far.
fastposted x2
If you do lynch me, then kill clever. If he is scum, kill hippo and edoc. if not, push jak and doom some more. then look into Betiko (you), leehar, and chuck.

ok, im not saying that they are all mafia. that would be ridiculous. at one point or another, you also bw'ed on them. that is the result of posting day 1 observations day 3... at this point im just saying that it seems a little scummy.

i DO think that it is worth lynching clever. if i am wrong, we leave hippo and co. alone, and move on (perhaps back to jack and doom), or perhaps on to IB, leehar, chuck, and edoc, who seem normal most of the time, but with the occasional scummy post.
that is 8 people, 1/3rd. its an appropriate ratio (the max, but appropriate). i dont think that they are ALL mafia. just that at least one group among them are, which brings the ratio down. yes. i did FOS others, but that was for one or two posts.

like i've been saying the whole while, lynch me if you want, but listen to what i've said in the following days.
Also, no one has counter-claimed, so my claim is quite possible, and its a fairly major character

im still for this lynch... hes had 48 hours to think about it and pick a nobody to claim as that would most likely not have been included... he could have had plenty of time to mull over it with his scumbuddies hippo, edoc, sg7, everything, and chuck.
that is sketchy flavor analysis...
he was talked to... but that scene was about mifune's death only. not the kid

SO ALL IN ALL? you did think we were scummy and i just proved it. now it seems as if your trying to dig yourself out of it. you pretty much said you were also useless to town. so why would you want me dead...if you dont think im scum WHY WOULD YOU WANT ME DEAD! havent been helpful beyond the normal extend of a vt? what does that even mean. who can be more helpful than that. noone has cause we havent gotten any night actions yet. i would like to know what you mean by that

What were you going to quote from me? Because that is Vodean's post you quoted.

Well, I want you dead because you haven't contributed much besides sheep people and follow band wagons. What ever 'play style' you're using for this game, I'd suggest not use it in future games. Sheeping people will result in quick pressure and votes on you. Also truly, you haven't helped us out at all, when you do offer your opinions its only to defend your claim.

Yes, you do tend to try to dig yourself out of things Clever, but believe me, it's not working this time.

A non VT?

Oh... Really? Is this admitting to skimming or do my night actions not count?

[shieldgenerator7]

I didn't find S7C's last post to be desperate, jak. BUt I agree with some things you said, such as why he quoted you when his case is on vodean.

What do you mean he hasn't helped much? Sheeping people may not be the biggest help, but at least it's better ta not voting at all. You forgot to mention why people want him dead. It's not just because he's sheeping people, it's because people think it's scummy to sheep people. And scummy action probably means scum, to uniformed townies who are trying to find scum.

Nice way to twist his own words around onto him, jak. But that's just your opinion (altho it does seem to be going that-a-way)

C'mon, he was obviously talking about other VTs. He was asking how any VT could be any more helpful than voting and contributing to a conversation. And he's absolutely right.

haha yeah that is kind of strange... here it is D3 and he's saying no one has any night actions. WTH S7C! That is some proof of either extreme forgetfulness, skimming, or misinterpretation of what you meant.

-SG7 ( )

[Some7hingCLEVER]

I didn't find S7C's last post to be desperate, jak. BUt I agree with some things you said, such as why he quoted you when his case is on vodean.

What do you mean he hasn't helped much? Sheeping people may not be the biggest help, but at least it's better ta not voting at all. You forgot to mention why people want him dead. It's not just because he's sheeping people, it's because people think it's scummy to sheep people. And scummy action probably means scum, to uniformed townies who are trying to find scum.

Nice way to twist his own words around onto him, jak. But that's just your opinion (altho it does seem to be going that-a-way)

C'mon, he was obviously talking about other VTs. He was asking how any VT could be any more helpful than voting and contributing to a conversation. And he's absolutely right.

haha yeah that is kind of strange... here it is D3 and he's saying no one has any night actions. WTH S7C! That is some proof of either extreme forgetfulness, skimming, or misinterpretation of what you meant.

-SG7 ( )

oh crap thanks for pointing that out, vodean had qouted it so i quoted it and thought it was her saying it. i apologise
ok well sorry please remind me who gave away there night actions? i wasnt saying noone has them im saying no one has said them. which means there about as helpful to everyone as a vt. am i wrong in saying that?

[jak111]

I didn't find S7C's last post to be desperate, jak. BUt I agree with some things you said, such as why he quoted you when his case is on vodean.

What do you mean he hasn't helped much? Sheeping people may not be the biggest help, but at least it's better ta not voting at all. You forgot to mention why people want him dead. It's not just because he's sheeping people, it's because people think it's scummy to sheep people. And scummy action probably means scum, to uniformed townies who are trying to find scum.

Nice way to twist his own words around onto him, jak. But that's just your opinion (altho it does seem to be going that-a-way)

C'mon, he was obviously talking about other VTs. He was asking how any VT could be any more helpful than voting and contributing to a conversation. And he's absolutely right.

haha yeah that is kind of strange... here it is D3 and he's saying no one has any night actions. WTH S7C! That is some proof of either extreme forgetfulness, skimming, or misinterpretation of what you meant.

-SG7 ( )

oh crap thanks for pointing that out, vodean had qouted it so i quoted it and thought it was her saying it. i apologise
ok well sorry please remind me who gave away there night actions? i wasnt saying noone has them im saying no one has said them. which means there about as helpful to everyone as a vt. am i wrong in saying that?

Well, I don't know why you're focusing on SG7's post when I'm the one talking to you, which if you don't SKIM says you 'quoted me' when it was Vodean's post that you actually quoted just with my name in there.

Then we go onto the night actions, again, do my night actions not count?

[vodean]

im not accusing them all of being scum, or even scummy, but perhaps worth looking into. all im saying is that at times they seem a little off. Thats what ive been saying the last 3 pages. Also, im graduating this weekend, so my activity might be a little iffy. If you are planning to lynch me, please refrain from doing so until monday, or unless i respond at L-1.

SG7, thanks for understanding what i see in clever, hippo, and edoc (finally, SOMEONE sees it). it does not mean that they are necessarily scum, but does mean that if one is, they likely all are.

Clever, you have not been useful to any extent greater than any other VT could be. I have only been useful in that i stirred up a lot of conversation, and since i've been here, cases against you and MoB have gotten much stronger. But anyone COULD have done that. So my vote stays on you.

As for SG7, while i dont think that he's mafia, his last post, telling the mafia what to do was either REALLY REALLY dumb (if it doesnt work or if he is mafia) or quite smart (i think i know what he's playing at)

No, you are saying one of the groups you're picking are scum and to LYNCH at least one in each group of what you believe. That's what you've been saying for the past few pages.

So you think they're not all scummy, yet if one is scum then most likely all of them are.
Nice contradiction.

"Hey, let's point the mafia even further to SG7's post and hope it's for nothing but they don't know something that even I could understand"

no. i dont think that they are necessarily SCUM. they ARE scummy at times. But if a person from one of the groups is scum, then likely all the people from THAT group are.

SO ALL IN ALL? you did think we were scummy and i just proved it. now it seems as if your trying to dig yourself out of it. you pretty much said you were also useless to town. so why would you want me dead...if you dont think im scum WHY WOULD YOU WANT ME DEAD! havent been helpful beyond the normal extend of a vt? what does that even mean. who can be more helpful than that. noone has cause we havent gotten any night actions yet. i would like to know what you mean by that

i am mostly useless to town. but less useless than you, and less scummy. the case against me is that i claimed early, and that im pointing fingers. The case against you is that you are sheep-voting, BW-jumping, and you only ever talk about how you are innocent. So overall, you BW-jump, and you are jumpy and defensive. why would a VT be that way.

[Iron Butterfly]

That is the reason I voted him.

[betiko]

i still think sg7 is desperately trying to look town. i'm pretty sure vodean and clever are vts (less sure about clever though).
but i'd like to pressure sg7 again...

unvote, vote sg7

[Some7hingCLEVER]

I didn't find S7C's last post to be desperate, jak. BUt I agree with some things you said, such as why he quoted you when his case is on vodean.

What do you mean he hasn't helped much? Sheeping people may not be the biggest help, but at least it's better ta not voting at all. You forgot to mention why people want him dead. It's not just because he's sheeping people, it's because people think it's scummy to sheep people. And scummy action probably means scum, to uniformed townies who are trying to find scum.

Nice way to twist his own words around onto him, jak. But that's just your opinion (altho it does seem to be going that-a-way)

C'mon, he was obviously talking about other VTs. He was asking how any VT could be any more helpful than voting and contributing to a conversation. And he's absolutely right.

haha yeah that is kind of strange... here it is D3 and he's saying no one has any night actions. WTH S7C! That is some proof of either extreme forgetfulness, skimming, or misinterpretation of what you meant.

-SG7 ( )

oh crap thanks for pointing that out, vodean had qouted it so i quoted it and thought it was her saying it. i apologise
ok well sorry please remind me who gave away there night actions? i wasnt saying noone has them im saying no one has said them. which means there about as helpful to everyone as a vt. am i wrong in saying that?

Well, I don't know why you're focusing on SG7's post when I'm the one talking to you, which if you don't SKIM says you 'quoted me' when it was Vodean's post that you actually quoted just with my name in there.

Then we go onto the night actions, again, do my night actions not count?

ok im looking at that post..idk what i did i think when i was copying and pasteing i put it in the wrong spot in the first one. and i have absolutely no idea how you got in there cause i sorted my author and then started making that post. hold on...ok i looked it was a typing error. ACTUALLY READ THE POST. IT SAYS YOUR NAME IN IT WHICH MEANS IT WAS OBVIOUSLY AN ERROR. sorry must have moved names when removing qoutes. and about your night action. yes i know its there but what does it do for us. just says he is either vt or didnt move. nothing really important. anyway glad i got that straightened out

fastposted.
wasnt it betiko who did this yesterday to?

[Some7hingCLEVER]

im not accusing them all of being scum, or even scummy, but perhaps worth looking into. all im saying is that at times they seem a little off. Thats what ive been saying the last 3 pages. Also, im graduating this weekend, so my activity might be a little iffy. If you are planning to lynch me, please refrain from doing so until monday, or unless i respond at L-1.

SG7, thanks for understanding what i see in clever, hippo, and edoc (finally, SOMEONE sees it). it does not mean that they are necessarily scum, but does mean that if one is, they likely all are.

Clever, you have not been useful to any extent greater than any other VT could be. I have only been useful in that i stirred up a lot of conversation, and since i've been here, cases against you and MoB have gotten much stronger. But anyone COULD have done that. So my vote stays on you.

As for SG7, while i dont think that he's mafia, his last post, telling the mafia what to do was either REALLY REALLY dumb (if it doesnt work or if he is mafia) or quite smart (i think i know what he's playing at)

No, you are saying one of the groups you're picking are scum and to LYNCH at least one in each group of what you believe. That's what you've been saying for the past few pages.

So you think they're not all scummy, yet if one is scum then most likely all of them are.
Nice contradiction.

"Hey, let's point the mafia even further to SG7's post and hope it's for nothing but they don't know something that even I could understand"

no. i dont think that they are necessarily SCUM. they ARE scummy at times. But if a person from one of the groups is scum, then likely all the people from THAT group are.

SO ALL IN ALL? you did think we were scummy and i just proved it. now it seems as if your trying to dig yourself out of it. you pretty much said you were also useless to town. so why would you want me dead...if you dont think im scum WHY WOULD YOU WANT ME DEAD! havent been helpful beyond the normal extend of a vt? what does that even mean. who can be more helpful than that. noone has cause we havent gotten any night actions yet. i would like to know what you mean by that

i am mostly useless to town. but less useless than you, and less scummy. the case against me is that i claimed early, and that im pointing fingers. The case against you is that you are sheep-voting, BW-jumping, and you only ever talk about how you are innocent. So overall, you BW-jump, and you are jumpy and defensive. why would a VT be that way.

finally someone says what the damn case on me is...jeeze. so for BW when i had a reason for doing all that...which is the same as sheeping just in different wording. and dont you talk about how innocent all the damn time. so wouldnt the case on me be the same as you? so my case on you is for always saying your innocent. jumpy and being defending by people like i was and your claim was ridiculously early and your not just pointing fingers at all your calling out who scum is. pointing fingers is an fos hence the meaning but no your saying a is scum if im right check b and c and if thats wrong check d and e. thats not how this game works otherwise it would be way to easy.

sorry for the double post

[DoomYoshi]

Clever, you say that you have been useful to town. Provide one example from each day of your usefulness and I will do my best to get this BW off you. I still won't support a wagon on vodean though, but I think I have a pretty good second case next.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Clever, you say that you have been useful to town. Provide one example from each day of your usefulness and I will do my best to get this BW off you. I still won't support a wagon on vodean though, but I think I have a pretty good second case next.

do you not remember day one? when that BW was gonna kill hippo and i went and derailed it and oh btw who is apparently a vt or didnt move night one? do you remember when we were looking for inactives and i was the one to make the list and thats how we found our lynch. and when i was the one who started it on the person we lynched? i know he wasnt mafia. but still i was pretty sure i was being helful. was that not helpful. all vodean did was give her opinion on ten different people and make that list while i do agree it was very usefull to fall out and look back in on the game. it really didnt get us anywhere (notice i had only one FOS on there and now somehow she wants me dead which means that list was almost pointless IMO)

anway i think thats a good example of my usefullnes.

[shieldgenerator7]

i still think sg7 is desperately trying to look town. i'm pretty sure vodean and clever are vts (less sure about clever though).
but i'd like to pressure sg7 again...

unvote, vote sg7

lshicastr lyncher much? or what evidence or part of my posts make it appear that i'm "desperately trying to look town"?
actually I'm kind of doubting the existence of a lyncher in this game, IDK for some reason I don't feel saf would have put them in here... but I don't know for sure.

I find it a bit of a stretch to say that the case on S7C is the same as the case on vodean. Vodean's is about him coming in and accusing everyone (and constantly changing up who he calls scum) and claiming early. S7C's is about sheep voting and... that's all I remember about it. I don't want to just repost vodean's list cause I'm not sure how accurate it is. But anyway, these lists are not the same, so S7C's attempt to paint them as equal is just not true.

I'm starting to believe S7C's claim tho I have found he is clever at fakeclaiming. As of right now I have an inkling that he's town so will not vote him yet.

-SG7 ( )

[Some7hingCLEVER]

i still think sg7 is desperately trying to look town. i'm pretty sure vodean and clever are vts (less sure about clever though).
but i'd like to pressure sg7 again...

unvote, vote sg7

lshicastr lyncher much? or what evidence or part of my posts make it appear that i'm "desperately trying to look town"?
actually I'm kind of doubting the existence of a lyncher in this game, IDK for some reason I don't feel saf would have put them in here... but I don't know for sure.

I find it a bit of a stretch to say that the case on S7C is the same as the case on vodean. Vodean's is about him coming in and accusing everyone (and constantly changing up who he calls scum) and claiming early. S7C's is about sheep voting and... that's all I remember about it. I don't want to just repost vodean's list cause I'm not sure how accurate it is. But anyway, these lists are not the same, so S7C's attempt to paint them as equal is just not true.

I'm starting to believe S7C's claim tho I have found he is clever at fakeclaiming. As of right now I have an inkling that he's town so will not vote him yet.

-SG7 ( )

sorry i worded it wrong. i didnt mean it like its exactly the same. just some points are the same. and some of the things he is accusing me of like the whole way this case started is exactly what he is doing now.

like look i defended hippo when him and eldario got really close and tied i defended him and we got our person. and now that me and her are close people are defending her just like i defended him. im just pointing out that the reason this case started is a big pile of dung. and it blew up and got thrown around. anyway. idk when the deadline is i forgot but i would like town to decide before we get there.

lol ya i gues i am good at fakeclaiming arent i

[pmchugh]

i still think sg7 is desperately trying to look town. i'm pretty sure vodean and clever are vts (less sure about clever though).
but i'd like to pressure sg7 again...

unvote, vote sg7

lshicastr lyncher much? or what evidence or part of my posts make it appear that i'm "desperately trying to look town"?
actually I'm kind of doubting the existence of a lyncher in this game, IDK for some reason I don't feel saf would have put them in here... but I don't know for sure.

I find it a bit of a stretch to say that the case on S7C is the same as the case on vodean. Vodean's is about him coming in and accusing everyone (and constantly changing up who he calls scum) and claiming early. S7C's is about sheep voting and... that's all I remember about it. I don't want to just repost vodean's list cause I'm not sure how accurate it is. But anyway, these lists are not the same, so S7C's attempt to paint them as equal is just not true.

I'm starting to believe S7C's claim tho I have found he is clever at fakeclaiming. As of right now I have an inkling that he's town so will not vote him yet.

-SG7 ( )

I agree with betiko, I think you have been trying hard to appear townie and that is why I pulled you up earlier on your directing the mafia actions. Right now I think you are protecting clever because you think he will turn up town and you can be like, "told ya so".

[vodean]

Clever, you say that you have been useful to town. Provide one example from each day of your usefulness and I will do my best to get this BW off you. I still won't support a wagon on vodean though, but I think I have a pretty good second case next.

do you not remember day one? when that BW was gonna kill hippo and i went and derailed it and oh btw who is apparently a vt or didnt move night one? do you remember when we were looking for inactives and i was the one to make the list and thats how we found our lynch. and when i was the one who started it on the person we lynched? i know he wasnt mafia. but still i was pretty sure i was being helful. was that not helpful. all vodean did was give her opinion on ten different people and make that list while i do agree it was very usefull to fall out and look back in on the game. it really didnt get us anywhere (notice i had only one FOS on there and now somehow she wants me dead which means that list was almost pointless IMO)

anway i think thats a good example of my usefullnes.

i only did that for the first 20 pages. since then, you have been much scummier. Like you said, though, it was YOU who saved your buddy hippo's life D1, and then got a VT, who you just said you knew was not mafia... how could you know that? unless you ARE mafia. Hence you have been useful to yourself as much as town. give us examples where you didnt help us kill innocents or save your buddies.

and now you've admitted to being good at fake claiming.

[shieldgenerator7]

C'mon PMC, out of how many games I've played with you have you known me to be like "Ha, I told you so!"
If I feel someone is town I won't join the wagon becuase I don't want to lynch a townie, not because I want to say "i told you so" after he gets lynched and comes up town.

huh, yeah I'm protecting S7C cause he's my padowan. Whatever, not really protecting him because I don't know what alignment he is but trying to point some things out to help clear confusion, or bring up points that may have been left out or missed.

sorry i worded it wrong. i didnt mean it like its exactly the same. just some points are the same. and some of the things he is accusing me of like the whole way this case started is exactly what he is doing now.

WHat points are the same? What things he has accused you of is he doing now?
Earlier you said vodean was telling everyone he was town. Can you find a quote to show it?

haha vodean I don't think you call him out for saying he's good at fakeclaiming because he's just repeating what I said.

Also clever, are you a good lynch candidate? Why or why not?

-SG7 ( )

[vodean]

Also clever, are you a good lynch candidate? Why or why not?

haha sounds like you want him to campaign

[pmchugh]

C'mon PMC, out of how many games I've played with you have you known me to be like "Ha, I told you so!"

Well you usually get lynched day 1, so not many

Also clever, are you a good lynch candidate? Why or why not?

-SG7 ( )

Trying to look like a townie much?

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

clever(8)- leehar, dj, vodean, ghostly, soundman, IB, doom, jak
vodean(7)- edoc, chuck, clever, hippo, mob, neb, everywhere
shield(1)- betiko

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Good activity so far guys, but I'd like to get this day moving, so it's a reminder that I may institute a deadline soon if you guys can't decide on an action soon. Be it lynch, or no lynch, something so we can move on with the game.

[pmchugh]

unvote vote no lynch- Protest vote against current lynch options.

[thehippo8]

Thanks for clarifying the vote Saf.

Unvote. Just because I don't like Vodean's playing style doesn't give me the right to keep my vote there. At this time I'm considering the other case, but frankly that's all about style too. Frankly, we've already had claims from them. I can't see any purpose in lynching VTs and I've no reason to doubt them.

I agree with Betico that SG7 is playing scummy. Indeed, going back to my chart on page 68, SG7 may say one thing but when it comes to voting he's not helped town. I think (on reflection - and no I won'e bore you all with another lengthy post), this is the best case for day 3. SG7 is unknown (refer Betico's review on page 81) and he's all over the place.

vote SG7

[shieldgenerator7]

C'mon PMC, out of how many games I've played with you have you known me to be like "Ha, I told you so!"

Well you usually get lynched day 1, so not many

Also clever, are you a good lynch candidate? Why or why not?

-SG7 ( )

Trying to look like a townie much?

You may not see it, but there is a purpose in asking this question. I'm not just trying to look like town.

Thanks for clarifying the vote Saf.

Unvote. Just because I don't like Vodean's playing style doesn't give me the right to keep my vote there. At this time I'm considering the other case, but frankly that's all about style too. Frankly, we've already had claims from them. I can't see any purpose in lynching VTs and I've no reason to doubt them.

I agree with Betico that SG7 is playing scummy. Indeed, going back to my chart on page 68, SG7 may say one thing but when it comes to voting he's not helped town. I think (on reflection - and no I won'e bore you all with another lengthy post), this is the best case for day 3. SG7 is unknown (refer Betico's review on page 81) and he's all over the place.

vote SG7

Ok, this is hardly a complete case on me, but I have some questions to ask to clarify exactly why you're voting me hippo.
-What about my playing is scummy, and how is it not about play style like you say the cases on vodean and S7C are?
-How have I not helped town in terms of voting?
-How is this the best case for D3? (uh, optional question as it's not really relevant to my case and rather in relation to other cases)
-Ok, I'm unknown in that I haven't claimed yet?
-How am I "all over the place?"

And yes S7C please answer my question. Vodean that question will be directed at you too after S7C answers. ("Are you a good lynch candidate? Why or why not?"

-SG7 ( )

[Some7hingCLEVER]

WHat points are the same? What things he has accused you of is he doing now?
Earlier you said vodean was telling everyone he was town. Can you find a quote to show it?

haha vodean I don't think you call him out for saying he's good at fakeclaiming because he's just repeating what I said.

Also clever, are you a good lynch candidate? Why or why not?

-SG7 ( )

the point that started the whole thing its the point were i was defending someone that was getting bandwagoned. and now its happening to him.

here is one

right now im thinking clever and hippo are scumbuddies, leehar is scummy, and doom and jak are scumbuddies. i dont believe hippo's claim. i definitely dont believe that jak and doom are masons... they would have been NKed... lets put a little pressure on some of them. you may be wondering why i gave an unprompted claim, and that is because now i am free to point fingers wherever, and you know that im not scum. If you dont believe me, lynch me, but then PLEASE lynch some of the above.

BTW, I am mouse, and i do nothing special at night (being that im VT)...

i claimed so that i cant be scrutinized and people dont waste their time on me.
I do agree with you that theres something off about pmc, but lets get a claim out of clever first.

fastposted x2

i claimed so that i cant be scrutinized and people dont waste their time on me.
I do agree with you that theres something off about pmc, but lets get a claim out of clever first.

fastposted x2

here are some

i believe im one but not a good one and not the best and here is why. i told everyone why i bandwagon. here is the exact quote of me saying it (shortened as to not bulk up this qoute)

agree- but neither have half the other people. i also agree that i follow bandwagons. its what i do. i do it to progress the game. notice i dont stay on them long at all. mainly when they defend themselves. i will wait till they defend then i will back off to see what the other has to say. my vote is like..incentive..i want them to give it there best shot at defense and convince me to back off. thats all

see. this is a strategy. i wont stay on for long and i definitaly wont let my vote stay on for them to get lynched unless i think there scummy.

so you see i have reasons for doing so just like everyone else has a reason.

sorry this post took so long i put it up but never submitted it. sorry

[shieldgenerator7]

Ok, you're right, vodean DID say he was town (altho you repeated one of his posts)

But you didn't really answer my question. You explained your vote strategy as a defense and I can see you doing that as town trying to get information. But you didn't answer my question completely. You stated you are a not a good lynch candidate but your reason was this explanation of your strategy and is not exactly a reason why you shouldn't be lynched. So why do you feel you are not a good lynch candidate?

-SG7 ( )

[thechuck51]

unvote vote no lynch- Protest vote against current lynch options.

Who do you recommend we lynch instead?