[Official] NBC Mafia Town Win MVP=trinicardinal

[safariguy5]

Prodded jim, I cannot reveal who sent or didn't send in night actions because that would be the same as possibly confirming or disproving roles.

Also, I don't believe in prodding at the beginning of the day chap. I figure people know when it's daytime by looking at the thread titles.

[betiko]

Prodded jim, I cannot reveal who sent or didn't send in night actions because that would be the same as possibly confirming or disproving roles.

Also, I don't believe in prodding at the beginning of the day chap. I figure people know when it's daytime by looking at the thread titles.

yes but it's a bit different with jim as there is no doubt he is the cop. on day 3 we had to wait quite a bit for his intervention; once again he is our biggest lead to start the day and it would be good to know if we can expect something from him and if he can bring us a report on someone... or if we just move on cause he didn't send night action.
I guess you mean that it would confirm his role at 100% which you can't do even if we all see here jimfinn as the cop with no possibility of a doubt. if we have to wait; then i guess i'll wait.

meanwhile chap; mind to elaborate your theory on medefe? cause the case on him seems quite weak to me for now.

[trinicardinal]

Prodded jim, I cannot reveal who sent or didn't send in night actions because that would be the same as possibly confirming or disproving roles.

Also, I don't believe in prodding at the beginning of the day chap. I figure people know when it's daytime by looking at the thread titles.

yes but it's a bit different with jim as there is no doubt he is the cop. on day 3 we had to wait quite a bit for his intervention; once again he is our biggest lead to start the day and it would be good to know if we can expect something from him and if he can bring us a report on someone... or if we just move on cause he didn't send night action.
I guess you mean that it would confirm his role at 100% which you can't do even if we all see here jimfinn as the cop with no possibility of a doubt. if we have to wait; then i guess i'll wait.

meanwhile chap; mind to elaborate your theory on medefe? cause the case on him seems quite weak to me for now.

I hope jim has some information for us. I really hope that he hasn't lost interest in the game at this stage. Last night was a crucial night for him to get his investigation done. I'd like to hear the case on MeDeFe also since I was interested in him earlier but he doesn't seem so scummy now. Either way I would really like to hear from jim.

[betiko]

this is staling.. can we know if you've been proding jimfinn saf? I think he has written just 1 or 2 messages in the whole 2012. we should ve talked about it before the lynch to prepare the night.. crazy to have still the cop and have so little info. i would guess his inactivity lead the mafia not to roleblock him this time though and to go for someone else, the best scenario would be that he is being submarining..

[MoB Deadly]

Prodded jim, I cannot reveal who sent or didn't send in night actions because that would be the same as possibly confirming or disproving roles.

Also, I don't believe in prodding at the beginning of the day chap. I figure people know when it's daytime by looking at the thread titles.

[trinicardinal]

this is staling.. can we know if you've been proding jimfinn saf? I think he has written just 1 or 2 messages in the whole 2012. we should ve talked about it before the lynch to prepare the night.. crazy to have still the cop and have so little info. i would guess his inactivity lead the mafia not to roleblock him this time though and to go for someone else, the best scenario would be that he is being submarining..

that's quite an interesting thought... I would never have thought of that. Any idea who they might have targeted instead? that must mean that they have an idea who (one?) of the remaining (if not the only remaining) power roles is?

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[betiko]

this is staling.. can we know if you've been proding jimfinn saf? I think he has written just 1 or 2 messages in the whole 2012. we should ve talked about it before the lynch to prepare the night.. crazy to have still the cop and have so little info. i would guess his inactivity lead the mafia not to roleblock him this time though and to go for someone else, the best scenario would be that he is being submarining..

that's quite an interesting thought... I would never have thought of that. Any idea who they might have targeted instead? that must mean that they have an idea who (one?) of the remaining (if not the only remaining) power roles is?

FASTPOSTED

maybe they went for the busdriver instead, although I m pretty sure it would be a wild guess from them (with yet a list reducing each time); i don't really think they have enough evidence to know who has this role, but just a thought. Jim might have played this actually quite well getting under the scum radar during day 3. Just hope it was intentional; not that he dropped out.

[trinicardinal]

this is staling.. can we know if you've been proding jimfinn saf? I think he has written just 1 or 2 messages in the whole 2012. we should ve talked about it before the lynch to prepare the night.. crazy to have still the cop and have so little info. i would guess his inactivity lead the mafia not to roleblock him this time though and to go for someone else, the best scenario would be that he is being submarining..

that's quite an interesting thought... I would never have thought of that. Any idea who they might have targeted instead? that must mean that they have an idea who (one?) of the remaining (if not the only remaining) power roles is?

FASTPOSTED

maybe they went for the busdriver instead, although I m pretty sure it would be a wild guess from them (with yet a list reducing each time); i don't really think they have enough evidence to know who has this role, but just a thought. Jim might have played this actually quite well getting under the scum radar during day 3. Just hope it was intentional; not that he dropped out.

I sure as hell hope so too.

[chapcrap]

I just caught up on the ~7 posts that I missed since Friday (I was away). Good grief. Now can we get a mass prod?

MeDeFe is still inactive, keeps being inactive, only pops in when a cases are clearly on others. I also think that others who are ignoring this case (trini, MoB, perhaps betiko) are just mafia as well. They sit back and say, oh we can't do anything except wait for jim. We've been waiting on jim since Christmas. I'm pretty sure that ship has sailed and we need to start looking elsewhere.

[MoB Deadly]

I just caught up on the ~7 posts that I missed since Friday (I was away). Good grief. Now can we get a mass prod?

MeDeFe is still inactive, keeps being inactive, only pops in when a cases are clearly on others. I also think that others who are ignoring this case (trini, MoB, perhaps betiko) are just mafia as well. They sit back and say, oh we can't do anything except wait for jim. We've been waiting on jim since Christmas. I'm pretty sure that ship has sailed and we need to start looking elsewhere.

The problem is, I have scoured this thread multiple times and haven't found much at all. We are most likely in or near a MYLO situation and we can't afford a mistake. I think we are just hoping Jim pops in with a miracle that's not going to happen.

I'll vote medefe we need progress somewhere, so maybe with pressure we can at least spur a discussion. Making the game stall isn't going to help us win.

[betiko]

I just caught up on the ~7 posts that I missed since Friday (I was away). Good grief. Now can we get a mass prod?

MeDeFe is still inactive, keeps being inactive, only pops in when a cases are clearly on others. I also think that others who are ignoring this case (trini, MoB, perhaps betiko) are just mafia as well. They sit back and say, oh we can't do anything except wait for jim. We've been waiting on jim since Christmas. I'm pretty sure that ship has sailed and we need to start looking elsewhere.

well; what you are suggesting is to prod them which is aparently what saf did. there is no deadline yet and obviously jim being cop could have some great stuff for us. I know, there is a great chance he could've been roleblocked again or that he simply didn't send night action. or that he asked for a report on the godfather... the chances are very slim that we get jim back in business and telling us he got a guilty report on someone for these reasons.

now I've already asked you; can you make a real case on medefe, cause what you are holding against him is nothing but inactivity... I would be happy to hear a good case on medefe, but at this point of the game i don't think inactivity is what i could rely on exclusively. it can be a factor; but is there something e said in particular that makes you vote for him other than inactivity and gut feeling?

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[pancakemix]

I'm gonna go ahead and say jim's a lost cause at this point. Replacement would be nice there.

I'm pretty much of the opinion that MeDeFe is, and always will be, a slow talker when it comes to mafia games. He doesn't say much, but he say thoughtful things, and I always appreciate thoughtful posts. I'll wait for right now on that. No need to rush.

[Leitz]

I've been thinking about what to post here since the night scene, but there is really nothing I can add to the situation. We're stuck with no evidence, no tells, nothing. Jimfinn should be replaced, but that doesn't take away that mafia is doing a pretty good job of staying under the radar. They are smart not lynching the more inactive people and hence giving them more and more momentum as the game progresses.

Like in the other game I'm playing I'll mention my gut feeling just to get it out in the open: trini is mafia.

[betiko]

I'm gonna go ahead and say jim's a lost cause at this point. Replacement would be nice there.

I'm pretty much of the opinion that MeDeFe is, and always will be, a slow talker when it comes to mafia games. He doesn't say much, but he say thoughtful things, and I always appreciate thoughtful posts. I'll wait for right now on that. No need to rush.

i pretty much agree with you on this. not very active, but when he pops in he has some interesting posts and he is not afraid to comit to his ideas, mostly on day 2. On day 3 he has been much less helpfull and participative, aparently for real life issues. i would still apreciate to see him give his thoughts and all.
I think it would be a good thing if jimfinn is replaced as he is by far the most inactive player of all the remaining players; but i'd be interested to see more from medefe.

regarding trini; I don't know, he has been quite helpfull all game long and has made lots of detailed cases on diferent players all game.

We haven't heard from dazza today yet am i right? why did you hammer jonty so fast dazza, with more than a day left?

[dazza2008]

Did I hammer that quickly? We had 3 cases.

1. Leitz - everyone believed him. I never and still don't but not much I could do.
2. Me - I know I am town.
3. Jonty - Claimed VT so it was hammer him or no lynch. What would you have done?

[trinicardinal]

I just caught up on the ~7 posts that I missed since Friday (I was away). Good grief. Now can we get a mass prod?

MeDeFe is still inactive, keeps being inactive, only pops in when a cases are clearly on others. I also think that others who are ignoring this case (trini, MoB, perhaps betiko) are just mafia as well. They sit back and say, oh we can't do anything except wait for jim. We've been waiting on jim since Christmas. I'm pretty sure that ship has sailed and we need to start looking elsewhere.

maybe you need to look back at my post because you are obviously Skimming Again.

Prodded jim, I cannot reveal who sent or didn't send in night actions because that would be the same as possibly confirming or disproving roles.

Also, I don't believe in prodding at the beginning of the day chap. I figure people know when it's daytime by looking at the thread titles.

yes but it's a bit different with jim as there is no doubt he is the cop. on day 3 we had to wait quite a bit for his intervention; once again he is our biggest lead to start the day and it would be good to know if we can expect something from him and if he can bring us a report on someone... or if we just move on cause he didn't send night action.
I guess you mean that it would confirm his role at 100% which you can't do even if we all see here jimfinn as the cop with no possibility of a doubt. if we have to wait; then i guess i'll wait.

meanwhile chap; mind to elaborate your theory on medefe? cause the case on him seems quite weak to me for now.

I hope jim has some information for us. I really hope that he hasn't lost interest in the game at this stage. Last night was a crucial night for him to get his investigation done. I'd like to hear the case on MeDeFe also since I was interested in him earlier but he doesn't seem so scummy now. Either way I would really like to hear from jim.

That's definitely not ignoring is it? At this point in time the only scummy thing is that he is hardly posting - by that reasoning jim is the scummiest of them all. I'd love to hear if you have more on MeDeFe. Please remember that I had (much earlier) posted a full case on MeDeFe and I was suspicious for that very same reason - thing is I haven't really seem scum tells otherwise so I'm not so sure.

I'm gonna go ahead and say jim's a lost cause at this point. Replacement would be nice there.

I'm pretty much of the opinion that MeDeFe is, and always will be, a slow talker when it comes to mafia games. He doesn't say much, but he say thoughtful things, and I always appreciate thoughtful posts. I'll wait for right now on that. No need to rush.

i pretty much agree with you on this. not very active, but when he pops in he has some interesting posts and he is not afraid to comit to his ideas, mostly on day 2. On day 3 he has been much less helpfull and participative, aparently for real life issues. i would still apreciate to see him give his thoughts and all.
I think it would be a good thing if jimfinn is replaced as he is by far the most inactive player of all the remaining players; but i'd be interested to see more from medefe.

regarding trini; I don't know, he has been quite helpfull all game long and has made lots of detailed cases on diferent players all game.

We haven't heard from dazza today yet am i right? why did you hammer jonty so fast dazza, with more than a day left?

a valid question betiko and one I'd like to hear the answer to as well.

I've been thinking about what to post here since the night scene, but there is really nothing I can add to the situation. We're stuck with no evidence, no tells, nothing. Jimfinn should be replaced, but that doesn't take away that mafia is doing a pretty good job of staying under the radar. They are smart not lynching the more inactive people and hence giving them more and more momentum as the game progresses.

Like in the other game I'm playing I'll mention my gut feeling just to get it out in the open: trini is mafia.

In that case Leitz - why not add in your vote?

I'm gonna go ahead and say jim's a lost cause at this point. Replacement would be nice there.

I'm pretty much of the opinion that MeDeFe is, and always will be, a slow talker when it comes to mafia games. He doesn't say much, but he say thoughtful things, and I always appreciate thoughtful posts. I'll wait for right now on that. No need to rush.

At this point in time I have to agree - we have no deadline yet and we have to be very careful - If we mis lynch we are in trouble and if we give mafia a chance to speed lynch - same thing so I think we need lots of discussion today in relation to people. I still would prefer to get something from jim if possible but I recognise that jim may be a lost cause and that we have to make a decision without him. An innocent or guilty will be helpful either way (if he has a result) - since it gives us something to work with. IF we don't get anything from him then I come back to this:

hmmm.. we have 10 players 4 of which we assume to be mafia - so If we lynch wrong today that's it?

OF the players remaining

Leitz - claimed Sally One Way Lover
MoB Deadly - no claim
jimfinn - claim Cop
shieldgenerator7 replaced by pancakemix - no claim
dazza2008 -Behemoth VT
trinicardinal - no claim
Epitaph1 - no claim
betiko - no claim
MeDeFe - no claim
chapcrap - no claim but considered to have softclaimed VT after the Rodion case

did I miss anyone? can someone please verify my list since I've done this basically from memory
Fast posted

I'm kind of surprised the mafia took out strike. A lot of people sounded like they thought zero was a fakeclaim (I was thinking it as well) and I thought he would be one of our suspects today. At first, I thought he was busdriven but the flavor doesn't suggest as much.

jim, you got anything for us?

I'm a bit surprised also but maybe they figured he was watcher???

If jim doesn't have anything for us then I'd say we must concentrate on those who have not claimed and Yes I'm included in that list. I'm hoping for a lot more than that though.

and I will build from there (someone also said we should include chap in the green since he didn't actually claim (i know he gave his reason for not actually claiming yet so i'm not yet asking. I've just underlined his name for now)

[dazza2008]

I'm gonna go ahead and say jim's a lost cause at this point. Replacement would be nice there.

I'm pretty much of the opinion that MeDeFe is, and always will be, a slow talker when it comes to mafia games. He doesn't say much, but he say thoughtful things, and I always appreciate thoughtful posts. I'll wait for right now on that. No need to rush.

i pretty much agree with you on this. not very active, but when he pops in he has some interesting posts and he is not afraid to comit to his ideas, mostly on day 2. On day 3 he has been much less helpfull and participative, aparently for real life issues. i would still apreciate to see him give his thoughts and all.
I think it would be a good thing if jimfinn is replaced as he is by far the most inactive player of all the remaining players; but i'd be interested to see more from medefe.

regarding trini; I don't know, he has been quite helpfull all game long and has made lots of detailed cases on diferent players all game.

We haven't heard from dazza today yet am i right? why did you hammer jonty so fast dazza, with more than a day left?

a valid question betiko and one I'd like to hear the answer to as well.

Maybe you should read the post above. I answered it.

[trinicardinal]

just realised I was fastposted by dazza while I was doing up my post. so we have his responses to betiko's question. Thanks dazza. I'll wait a bit more before deciding what to proceed with but I have a feeling I know which way I will go overall - I'm assuming there that jim will not post btw.

fastposted by dazza again

[safariguy5]

Looking for replacement for jim.

[MeDeFe]

Well, then we might as well get on with it I guess. Chapcrap, your case on me, please.

[chapcrap]

Well, then we might as well get on with it I guess. Chapcrap, your case on me, please.

Here you go:

Well, I already stated in my last post of Day 2 about the following 3:

Leitz is super scummy
MeDeFe should be pressured
strike wolf is scum or a power role

I am thinking about MeDeFe, then Leitz, then strike wolf.

...MeDeFe: Laid low for Day 1 except for advocating a no lynch. Suddenly popped in on Day 2 with longer posts. I don't think that his posts were really that helpful or enlightening and was just trying to make it look like he was being a bigger part of the game...

So, I make both of those posts and MeDeFe doesn't even respond... Here's his first post since December:

A scum busdriver is rather unlikely with as many VTs in the game as we've seen.

Well, my two other options for today, after strike, were MeDeFe and Leitz. MeDeFe has been suspiciously quiet today while Leitz is just doing more of the same scummy stuff. For instance, a post with nothing of value:

*snip*

Let's pressure Leitz then. Scummy stuff > nothing.

When he finally responds, he says nothing at all except 'Don't look at me. '

well with the 2 weeks deadline I think we better get something going on ASAP if we don't want this to end up in a no lynch

Hurry up!! We only have two weeks!

Anyway...

Epitaph, just because Leitz tried to make a case on dazza, doesn't make him scummy. What would you do if you were getting pressured? What else would you have him do? Roll over and take it? That is the best option he has if he isn't an obvious town power role. And he if he is, it's a better option than having to claim. Especially at this point. So, do I think Leitz is scummy? A little, but not in any way because he tried to make a (potentially) better case against dazza.

MeDeFe?

I question him again to try and get him to participate and stop submarining. Then:

First of all, dazza is a guy.

Second, I wasn't asking for people to vote MeDeFe, I was trying to get him to come to the game. I have mentioned multiple times that he isn't doing anything and instead of coming in, he remains silent. I'm not the only one who said something either. betiko said something about it as well.

This was his last post, 6 days ago:

Well, my two other options for today, after strike, were MeDeFe and Leitz. MeDeFe has been suspiciously quiet today while Leitz is just doing more of the same scummy stuff. For instance, a post with nothing of value:

*snip*

Let's pressure Leitz then. Scummy stuff > nothing.

Before this post, he hadn't done anything either. I'm really starting to think he's scum will all of this laying low and letting the fight go on between dazza and Leitz.

I state again that he is being minimally active and only trying to lay low. He only posts when there are obvious cases already made on others and isn't contributing anything (just like previous days!).

Leitz > Jonty > Dazza in terms of scumminess in my eyes. But I didn't catch the "I recommend" part the first time, that could be a scum slip trying to get his buddys over to the dazza case.

I am willing to vote him but I would like to here from MeDeFe, and Trini said he had a case a couple times, I would like to hear that too.

I'd just like to vote MeDeFe, but there is no reason to throw a 4th case in the mix right now.

Again, I say something about him and he still doesn't show up until he decides to make a giant post. All of the previous posts took place over 3 weeks. When he finally decides to participatepost, he just makes a large post that only summarizes everything that everyone else has already said. Then, at the end, he doesn't even take a stance. Not only does he not take a stance, he still doesn't respond to anything I had said about him being semi-present and gives no reason that he hasn't been posting more.

show: Long Post By MeDeFe

I call him on the fact that he hasn't been posting and he says he doesn't want to burden me with his RL.

MeDeFe quiet for most of the day, gives no reason as to why, then suddenly decides to weigh in with a goodlarge post. Hmm, sounds a lot like day 2 for him. Stay under the radar until cases are made and then you can give your opinion.

Or maybe I don't want to burden you all with my RL.

Leitz then agrees with me and asks for an explanation. Guess what? He doesn't get one either! Instead, MeDeFe decides to vote for him.

MeDeFe quiet for most of the day, gives no reason as to why, then suddenly decides to weigh in with a goodlarge post. Hmm, sounds a lot like day 2 for him. Stay under the radar until cases are made and then you can give your opinion.

Or maybe I don't want to burden you all with my RL.

Who said anything about burdening? An apology for your absence & a simple explanation won't harm. You haven't posted here for a very long time, it is normal that we would expect some kind of explanation.

@ safari: is it correct that I'm at L-2?

I did say "sorry".

And since it looks like you're not at L-2 after all.

vote Leitz

As you can see, I mention pressuring him a few more times and he simply ignores it when he posts.

It feels to me like we are clearing people just for a strong character. Do we not think that fakeclaims would be strong in this game?

I honestly have no feel for who to vote or what's going on. I continue to look at MeDeFe. I feel like Leitz and dazza have both been cleared. My vote remains on jonty, because he is the best case of those 3, but not a good one.

They may have strong fake claims, but when given a very strong fake claim, should we just say, no, that's too strong, you're lying or should be we try to find someone else? I mean, it's not like we can just lynch everyone even if they claim.

And if we're talking about things being fake claims, strike's claim of zero could easily be a fake claim as well.

This was my point really. With nothing to go on it seems we have no where to go. We could pressure Jonty then he will claim then what?

Depends what he claims and if it's believable. If it is also believable, then I guess we could try MeDeFe or go back and decide that we no longer believe strike or Leitz and lynch them.

In his final post of yesterday, he decided to vote for jonty. He did find time to post during the night though!

There must be one hell of a scene coming up.

He continued to simply lay low (while posting in other areas of the site). Finally he posts today:

Well, then we might as well get on with it I guess. Chapcrap, your case on me, please.

______________________________________________________________________________

This case is not just based on inactivity. It's based on scummaring and completely ignoring when people question you, for over a month! Good grief!

Welcome to Day 4 by the way. Hopefully you can make it back again this week.

[MeDeFe]

You do realize that your entire case against me is based on your perception that I post too little for long stretches and then too much all at once, right?

Good.

That part about me ignoring people... ok, let's start with that.

For most of your case I'm not even sure how to respond. "MeDeFe should be pressured", "MeDeFe: Laid low for Day 1 except for advocating a no lynch. Suddenly popped in on Day 2 with longer posts", "MeDeFe?", "I state again that he is being minimally active and only trying to lay low", "I'd just like to vote MeDeFe, but there is no reason to throw a 4th case in the mix right now."

What should one even say to "pressure" like that? Do you want me to react to every little bit of criticism aimed at me? Sorry, I won't do that, it's not how I play mafia, I simply am not that thin-skinned. I will respond to well-argued criticism based on facts and I will defend myself against any bandwagons against me, but I won't react every time my name is mentioned. I don't recall being in a game with you before, so you not knowing jack about my style of playing is fine, but you should know that being overly defensive is often considered a scum-tell.


I did see one serious bit of criticism in your post.

He only posts when there are obvious cases already made on others and isn't contributing anything (just like previous days!).

And it makes me think you've been skimming my longer posts. You used my case against Leitz as an example and said it was only a summary. Well, I don't think that word means what you think it means. A summary is what you get when you condense something else into a shorter form, my case on Leitz clearly went beyond a mere summary in that I also systematically pointed out flaws in his reasoning. Unfortunately the scum don't have a monopoly on bad reasoning and I now think that Leitz is who and what he claimed to be. I think I'll just leave it at that, it should be fairly obvious for anyone reading that post, so unless you can demonstrate, using the whole post and not mere snippets of it, that I only summed up what others had said and didn't add any input of my own I don't see the need to go into depth there.


Finally, since it appears you can't take a hint: My RL is none of your fucking business. I won't go into any details about how it may influence the frequency of me posting in this or any other thread.

[MoB Deadly]

unvote - havent had a chance to read the case and the defense yet

[jimfinn]

Hey guys, sorry, I posted yesterday but apparently it didn't load? Anyway, I tested strikes claim and he was inno.

I'm getting pretty frustrated right now, but I'd like to keep playing and see if i can get anything useful.

[betiko]

Hey guys, sorry, I posted yesterday but apparently it didn't load? Anyway, I tested strikes claim and he was inno.

I'm getting pretty frustrated right now, but I'd like to keep playing and see if i can get anything useful.

lol, i got to say that is probably the worse person you could ve asked a report for... so you were not roleblocked, as i suggested.