[Official] NBC Mafia Town Win MVP=trinicardinal

[Leitz]

If you back jimfinn trini, then you can start the mass claim.

[trinicardinal]

If you back jimfinn trini, then you can start the mass claim.

Like I said - I'm seriously considering it.

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

MeDeFe(2)- chap, Epitaph

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

[betiko]

if there is a mass claim i d like chap to be included. last thing we want is to assume things and get fooled. he has just softcaimed. don't forget santa claws that is probably a neutral, so maybe there is just 1 vt left.

in some way, at this point we are completely against the wall it's really not a bad idea. if we do it, we can assume that jack+leitz will be killed tonight though! they roleblock the busdriver and kill jack+leitz. that is 3 towns 1 neutral 3 mafia tomorrow?

[chapcrap]

False. I already claimed, I just didn't tell you my name. I'm a VT. Already said it. Already said why I didn't want to say my name. I'll say my name last or if someone else claims it because then we know they're lying.

[betiko]

False. I already claimed, I just didn't tell you my name. I'm a VT. Already said it. Already said why I didn't want to say my name. I'll say my name last or if someone else claims it because then we know they're lying.

not "we"; just you i'd say... (not because someone claims something second means he is right and the other is lying right? it gives you the certainty that the guy claiming your role is scum, but you have to convince the town) I know you claimed vt, such as dazza. i know that you 2 guys did something on day 2 that goes in that way as well. although if what both of you are saying is true, it means there is no neutral player which would surprise me..

[trinicardinal]

if there is a mass claim i d like chap to be included. last thing we want is to assume things and get fooled. he has just softcaimed. don't forget santa claws that is probably a neutral, so maybe there is just 1 vt left.

in some way, at this point we are completely against the wall it's really not a bad idea. if we do it, we can assume that jack+leitz will be killed tonight though! they roleblock the busdriver and kill jack+leitz. that is 3 towns 1 neutral 3 mafia tomorrow?

That's what worries me - we would then be dependent on the 3rd party player to side with town in order for town to win and i do feel that we are backed against the wall. I think I can improve those odds a little although it means that I am likely to be roleblocked/killed during N4 -


I am skeletal reindeer - Town Busdriver

Here are my actions to date -

N1 - Bus jim and Swifte - Swifte had claimed doc (and was the only power role out) so I switched him with another player in case he was targeted. This means that jim investigated himself on N1

N2 - Bus Swifte and MeDeFe - I trusted Swifte to protect jim and bused Swifte in an attempt to protect him - This means that MeDeFe was the mafia target N2! - because of this I assume MeDeFe to be town.

N3 - bus jim and betiko - since jim was roleblocked N2 I bused him with betiko so any roleblocks would be directed away from him and he would be able to investigate - unfortunately that investigation didn't work out too well for us. Now let's revisit my list

Claimed Roles (4)

1 cop - Mayor - jimfinn
1 busdriver - Skeletal Reindeer - trinicardinal

1 one way lover - Sally - Leitz
VT - chap - claimed role but has not yet given a name
VT - dazza - Behemoth

No claims yet -
1 guy targeted by mafia - N2 - I'll assume to be town (or at least anti mafia)
MeDeFe

4 mafias including a roleblocker (Oogie Boogie and the 3 kids) - this assumes that there have been no fakeclaims made so far.

MoB Deadly - no claim
pancakemix (replaced sg7) - no claim
Epitaph1 - no claim
betiko - no claim



Given all of that and given that i am still not extremely happy with explanations provided pancakemix or the fact that he hasn't been posting much even though he has been on site - and that he gave a quick explanation last time and had to go and then hasn't added anything to our discussion since. I am going to start on pancakemix - VOTE: pancakemix

[MoB Deadly]

wait... wtf!!!!

[MoB Deadly]

This is not right.... Trini is lying!! wtf wtf wtf

I dont really have time to post right now I am at work...

but I will be Counter Claiming as Bus Driver

I breadcrumbed it on day 1

[MoB Deadly]

NBC MAFIA

Fine, I really did not want to but there are too many calls for me to claim before the weekend.

I am Dr. Finklestein, Town Doctor.

NOT evil doctor mind you.. just regular old townie doctor. I'm sorry that I've botched this all up and somehow managed to fling myself in to the limelight on Day 1. I definitely have a lot to learn about how to play this game in the forums.

ughh thats no good, definite unvote

9 - How should I play my role?

e) town watcher - in this particular game, watch the doctor. This will either prevent scum from killing the doctor or at least give us insurance that we will lynch the doctor's killer the next day.

f) Town Bus Driver, switching the doctor with someone that appears scummy is helpful as well. Or switch youself with someone scummy for self preservation

Theres my bread crumb...... Full post later tonight! I cant believe Trini is mafia, I considered him one of the most trustworthy players in this game.

[pancakemix]

Trini, if you really don't understand what I was getting at, then I don't know if I can help you. It seemed pretty clear to everyone else. I don't even know what you want me to say because I cut it down to the basics of what you need to understand it. The only logical conclusion is that you aren't actually reading it. I want to wait and see what MoB says here.

[Epitaph1]

unvote in case trini is telling the truth. If not, he's protecting MeDeFe.

This just got really interesting. I'm waiting to here MoB's full post.

[chapcrap]

Very interesting. The town need to lynch the one who is really lying, or we'll probably lose.

[trinicardinal]

Trini, if you really don't understand what I was getting at, then I don't know if I can help you. It seemed pretty clear to everyone else. I don't even know what you want me to say because I cut it down to the basics of what you need to understand it. The only logical conclusion is that you aren't actually reading it. I want to wait and see what MoB says here.

I'll deal with you later pcm - MoB has just proven to me that he is definitely 100% mafia - Unvote, VOTE MoB


1. MoB - provide your character name
2. my breadcrumb from Day 1 -

I started watching the movie yesterday, here are some characters i think are among us 16:

-Jack
-his dog zero
-sally
-the mad doctor
-the double headed mayor

can the double headed mayor be an insane cop? we need to worry about that
Also, as the doctor is evil, is there any special doctor roles in mafia games?

I haven't watched the film in years... I'm going to try to view it again but its hard to get the quiet time... I did some checking of the characters... and figure you might also have some or all of these characters

Oogie Boogie - Boogie man - mafia?
Lock, Shock, and/or Barrel - Oogie Boogie's henchment -mafia?
Santa Claus - leader of Christmas Town
Igor - Dr Finklestein's assistant
The skeletal reindeer - pull Jack's sleigh

there are bound to be others as well and I'm not sure that all listed will be used.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=213&t=156562&p=3458623&hilit=reindeer#p3458623

you will notice that I not only listed the character but also what they do in the movie - my breadcrumb to the role of busdriver. Now MoB let's decide which of us has to die today

[Leitz]

Wow, this has put the game a gear or two up! Very curious as to what MoB has to say to all of this!

[Leitz]

Is it possible for there to be 2 busdrivers?

[dazza2008]

Is it possible for there to be 2 busdrivers?

Unlikely.

[trinicardinal]

Leitz - I'd say the possibility of there being 2 busdrivers is almost impossible - at this point you all will have to choose between MoB and myself.

You were the main one who thought I was mafia - please bring any questions you have and I will answer as best as I can - same thing goes for everyone else - MoB - please provide your list of actions for the 3 nights - as well as your reasoning for such. at this point the game decision is between MoB and myself.

[MoB Deadly]

Okay... First off. unvote vote trini.

I am the real Skeletal Reindeer - Town Busdriver. I'm shocked he got my character.

Night 1:
Switched Swifte and SG7 -
Reason Swifte: He was the doc.
Reason SG7: I like SG7 don't get me wrong, but he always ends up saying scummy things and ends up a top candidate for a lynch sooner rather than later. If Swifte was targeted for the kill, we would lose SG7, which I did not think would hurt the town as much. Once I realized he was innocent, I never put a vote on SG7 and actually defended him quite a few times. I was very active in pursuing a replacement for him which would be an instant upgrade.

5. Shield-the obligatory feeling that shield has acted scummy. I know it happens every game but his reasoning has been weak at best, he's only mildly acitve at best and he has not really progressed the game in any constructive manner from what I've seen...at best.

I think shield is mafia in every game by the way he posts

Side Note for Safari:
Players requested that I prod SG7 in the mafia I am hosting. I sent the prod about 20 hours ago, and it is still in my outbox as unread. Just a heads up.

Just offhand this is what I know about SG7. I was forced to replace him in the game I am modding. But I think I have stricter rules though about activity, if I have to prod more than once or twice I will not hesitate to replace to keep the game integrity, I do not balance games for inactives. (Nothing against you Safari, he signed up fair and square, if he posts once a month or once a day is up to him. Its just my viewpoint on things)

Umm hes also in a couple other games I think:
(Added after research: Holy Crap! SG7 is in 6 other games not including this one. He clearly bit off more than he could chew.)

Squirrel Masters Mafia - He has ZERO posts after confirm.
Memebase Mafia - He was lynched on Day 4 - I did not research his post tendencies.
FF7 Mafia - 3 posts since game start. Dec 12, Dec 17, and Dec 17 again. First was a jokevote, second was stating hes never played FF7, and 3rd post was welcoming Comm9 back. So nothing of value.
Soundman's First Mafia - More active it seems, with 5 posts after confirm. 3 Jokeposts, 2 posts in December: Dec 11 and Dec 17. Both are "meh" posts, I don't find anything of value here, but he does make comments about current cases.
Stool Pigeon Mafia - Very Very active in October and November. However only 2 posts in December: Dec 1st and Dec 12, which December 12 was a "I am catching up post"
MTG:Planeswalkers Mafia - Umm I have no idea what MTG is so I may sound dumb.... but again very active in November here, 3-5 posts in December, and these seem to be much better posts than I have seen in other games.

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Leitz, I know nothing about.... and I did searches and did not see him in any other game. If someone could double check that would be great...


So.... do we really want to take this route?

Pursue SG7 who has clearly been pretty inactive in December, because it will take at the minimum a prod for him to come back and at least pick someone to vote.

or... Do we pursue Leitz who I do not have any clue to his mafia history. Maybe he is just medal hunting and kind of going with the flow?

I feel like either one of these could be scum and just submarining, letting the other scum members do the handiwork.... I feel like both of these are not great choices, and will be like pulling teeth to get them to post their opinion.. respond to pressure... etc etc..... But then are they really helping us lynch scum at all? Like SG7's vote on Rodion was for using French to talk to Betiko, is he hurting us more than helping us? Is Leitz helping? I feel like he is not making any decision's on his own either, and kind of following the crowd blindly.


Im off to bed too...

I don't know I don't really like any of the cases so far yet...

I don't like SG7, because he is obviously inactive throughout the whole site, and I do not think we have the leisure of pressuring an inactive right now we need to find scum.

This clears PCM, because Jim tried to investigate Swifte, he actually investigated SG7.

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Night 2:
Switched Swifte and Betiko:
Reasons for Swifte: He was the doctor, no clues about a watcher being in the game.
Reasons for Betiko: His chat and playstyle is kind of odd. Especially Day 1 he got a lot of scrutiny, and I believed that him and Rodion had a possible connection. He seemed to be fogging the game more than clearing the game. After Rodion flipped VT I didn't really know what to think about Betiko. If you want specific quotes that tripped my scumdar I can provide them. Just off the top of my head, he just asks a lot of questions where I thought his intention was to fog the game. He had questions about there being an SK in the game, he threw around the idea of a poisoner. He went after me at weird points of the game, and I thought it was a deflection off Rodion.

This clears Betiko, because the mafia attemped to kill him N2.

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Night 3:
I was roleblocked.

I attempted to switch Jim and MeDeFe.
Reason for Jim: Cop, most likely no Watcher
Reasons for MeDeFe: gut feeling he is scum, and/or get lucky again and I can clear him.

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Comments:

jimfinn
MoB Deadly

pancakemix - Can be Jack
betiko - Can be Jack

chapcrap - Can be Jack (my thoughts are chap is almost definitely town.)

Epitaph1 - Can be Jack

dazza2008 - Not Jack
Leitz - Not Jack

MeDeFe
trinicardinal

This is all the time I have to post right now. Wrapping up work.

[MoB Deadly]

fastposted earlier:

2 bus drivers, even if we did claim 2 different characters is very very very unlikely. Near impossible. Because how would the mod decide whos bus would take precedence?

[MoB Deadly]

Couple Comments:
Why wait until now to claim?

Well I was waiting for someone to come forward with a bandwagon on one of the players I cleared. Without a watcher seemingly, I was the only role left to protect our cop.

Also, when Jim revealed his N1 investigation I was ecstatic. I just checked, Trini did not comment on whether or not he thought the investigation was good or bad. I didn't take an official stand on it either but I at least addressed it directly:

This is bad. It almost feels like our cop wasted his N1 investigation because a doctor claim is as solid as it gets and shouldn't be investigated before all the unknown people out there.

I know it's easy to think this but I don't necessarily fault Jim for being safe rather than getting an insane guilty result N1. I personally have not seen the movie, but from Sully's pictures and Betiko depiction of the Mayor, he seems like a rather odd character.

In Hindsight:
I wish to god I breadcrumbed it a few more times. I don't know, I just felt like it was risky, maybe it was the paranoia of being in an "official game".
I should have let Trini build his case more on PCM. I should of waited to see the rest of the bandwagoners. I could of easily picked out another mafia or two for certain. But I literally panicked when I saw my own role claimed by trini.

[chapcrap]

No way is there 2 busdrivers.

Here are my thoughts: I don't want to lose a busdriver. Maybe we should lynch one of the mafia people associated with the two claims. If we lynch one of them, we risk losing the busdriver. If we lynch someone else, then we do not risk losing the busdrive because he can just switch himself during the night to avoid a kill.

If trini is lying, here is the mafia:

trinicardinal
MeDeFe
Epitaph1
Leitz/dazza?

If MoB is lying, here is the mafia:

MoB Deadly
pancakemix
betiko
Epitaph1

After looking things over, it seems that either way, Epitaph1 is probably mafia. Doesn't it seem that way? Also, it seems like Leitz or dazza may have fake claimed. To me, it looks more like MoB is telling the truth than trini. I would vote for trini, but as stated earlier, I think it's best to vote for someone who is on the list instead. So, I'll keep my vote with MeDeFe for now. However, it seems to me that Epi is scum either way. Maybe we should just lynch him for now.

[trinicardinal]

No way is there 2 busdrivers.

Here are my thoughts: I don't want to lose a busdriver. Maybe we should lynch one of the mafia people associated with the two claims. If we lynch one of them, we risk losing the busdriver. If we lynch someone else, then we do not risk losing the busdrive because he can just switch himself during the night to avoid a kill.

If trini is lying, here is the mafia:

trinicardinal
MeDeFe
Epitaph1
Leitz/dazza?

If MoB is lying, here is the mafia:

MoB Deadly
pancakemix
betiko
Epitaph1

After looking things over, it seems that either way, Epitaph1 is probably mafia. Doesn't it seem that way? Also, it seems like Leitz or dazza may have fake claimed. To me, it looks more like MoB is telling the truth than trini. I would vote for trini, but as stated earlier, I think it's best to vote for someone who is on the list instead. So, I'll keep my vote with MeDeFe for now. However, it seems to me that Epi is scum either way. Maybe we should just lynch him for now.

chap - your list of mafia matches mine and I am telling the truth so I have no problem with lynching Epitaph either way - the night kill will prove who is telling the truth and that means we take care of the rest of the mafia thereafter.

unvote in case trini is telling the truth. If not, he's protecting MeDeFe.

This just got really interesting. I'm waiting to here MoB's full post.

1. If we agree that chap is right and Epitaph is scum regardless then Epitaph casting aspersions on both myself and MeDeFe shows that we are innocent

2. If I am lying - why is there need for me to "protect" MeDeFe when he only had 2 votes on him? By rights I would just have said "because of my previous case on MeDeFe and chap's arguments I will vote for him - wouldn't that have been much simpler that an alleged "fake" claim?

Vote Count

MeDeFe(2)- chap, Epitaph

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

3. If I am telling the truth I need to protect him and us from a mafia speed lynch - if mafia get a chance to speed lynch we are done for so I had to speak up before they had a chance - hence 2 votes (please note that the second vote was from Epitaph - )

Now MoB

Couple Comments:
Why wait until now to claim?

Well I was waiting for someone to come forward with a bandwagon on one of the players I cleared. Without a watcher seemingly, I was the only role left to protect our cop.

more like you fakeclaimed because I claimed and you paniced cause I outed you folks - having lied you now have to see it through. and continue to lie. You shall hang yourself by your own lies.

Also, when Jim revealed his N1 investigation I was ecstatic. I just checked, Trini did not comment on whether or not he thought the investigation was good or bad. I didn't take an official stand on it either but I at least addressed it directly:

This is bad. It almost feels like our cop wasted his N1 investigation because a doctor claim is as solid as it gets and shouldn't be investigated before all the unknown people out there.

I know it's easy to think this but I don't necessarily fault Jim for being safe rather than getting an insane guilty result N1. I personally have not seen the movie, but from Sully's pictures and Betiko depiction of the Mayor, he seems like a rather odd character.

I knew that jim had investigated himself since I had switched him and Swite during N1 - there was no need to comment on that - jim got the same innocent so he knew he wasn't insane and I was not about to out myself at that point in time - better save that for a critical time like now.

In Hindsight:
I wish to god I breadcrumbed it a few more times. I don't know, I just felt like it was risky, maybe it was the paranoia of being in an "official game".
I should have let Trini build his case more on PCM. I should of waited to see the rest of the bandwagoners. I could of easily picked out another mafia or two for certain. But I literally panicked when I saw my own role claimed by trini.

- well more like you panicked when you saw a nice list of you and your scum buddies - tell me something - you claim to be able to clear pcm and betiko - given the lists that have been going on I'm absolutely amazed that you could clear 2 people who were on my original llist and can't come up with more people who could be scum and even earlier also. Chap was able to come up with a nice list just based on our post and you'll notice that his list matches mine perfectly when he goes with the (correct) assumption that I and telling the truth

Shall we examine your claimed list of actions please?

Okay... First off. unvote vote trini.

I am the real Skeletal Reindeer - Town Busdriver. I'm shocked he got my character.

Night 1:
Switched Swifte and SG7 -
Reason Swifte: He was the doc.
Reason SG7: I like SG7 don't get me wrong, but he always ends up saying scummy things and ends up a top candidate for a lynch sooner rather than later. If Swifte was targeted for the kill, we would lose SG7, which I did not think would hurt the town as much. Once I realized he was innocent, I never put a vote on SG7 and actually defended him quite a few times. I was very active in pursuing a replacement for him which would be an instant upgrade.


Night 2:
Switched Swifte and Betiko:
Reasons for Swifte: He was the doctor, no clues about a watcher being in the game.
Reasons for Betiko: His chat and playstyle is kind of odd. Especially Day 1 he got a lot of scrutiny, and I believed that him and Rodion had a possible connection. He seemed to be fogging the game more than clearing the game. After Rodion flipped VT I didn't really know what to think about Betiko. If you want specific quotes that tripped my scumdar I can provide them. Just off the top of my head, he just asks a lot of questions where I thought his intention was to fog the game. He had questions about there being an SK in the game, he threw around the idea of a poisoner. He went after me at weird points of the game, and I thought it was a deflection off Rodion.

This clears Betiko, because the mafia attemped to kill him N2.

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Night 3:
I was roleblocked.

I attempted to switch Jim and MeDeFe.
Reason for Jim: Cop, most likely no Watcher
Reasons for MeDeFe: gut feeling he is scum, and/or get lucky again and I can clear him.

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N1 - your reasoning - interesting but you never voted on sg7 (now pcm) and even defended him on several occasions cause you are both scum
N2 - interesting again
N3 - ummm... seeing that your "claimed" role is not one that requires a response by the end of the night - How do you know that you were roleblocked? Absolute 100% proof that you are lying MoB. thanks for the confession and for outing your fellow members

[trinicardinal]

btw if you folks really want more after that we can go further with it.

[pancakemix]

All I'm getting out of that post is "You panicked, you're scum, you're lying". You can say that all you want, but it's not at all convincing. I could stand here and call out for the sun all day, but if it stops snowing it won't be to my credit. On top of that, you still haven't explained what you don't understand about my case on dazza that warrants a vote on me. Quite frankly I don't understand what you don't understand, and I'm starting to think it's nothing at all.