HP: fight for freedom. Game over. Wizards won.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Bah, even with a clear counter and some bullshit about mod screwups you won't see through Tails. But whatever, that's fine.

I'M Lily Potter. I shouldn't have had to claim because there was so much going against Tails. But again, I can't help it if opinions are going to go against me.

ahahahaha nice try, slick. Post your green segment.

-Tails

[pancakemix]

Bah, even with a clear counter and some bullshit about mod screwups you won't see through Tails. But whatever, that's fine.

I'M Lily Potter. I shouldn't have had to claim because there was so much going against Tails. But again, I can't help it if opinions are going to go against me.

ahahahaha nice try, slick. Post your green segment.

-Tails

Well, you got away without it. I figure I can too.

Role??

Wizard Watcher. Which leads me to believe Tails somehow got my role PM, likely through a role-stealing mechanic.

[strike wolf]

And your actions?

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Bah, even with a clear counter and some bullshit about mod screwups you won't see through Tails. But whatever, that's fine.

I'M Lily Potter. I shouldn't have had to claim because there was so much going against Tails. But again, I can't help it if opinions are going to go against me.

ahahahaha nice try, slick. Post your green segment.

-Tails

Well, you got away without it. I figure I can too.

Role??

Wizard Watcher. Which leads me to believe Tails somehow got my role PM, likely through a role-stealing mechanic.

Yes yes, I stole your role, and am now blaming three obvious roleblocks on you in an elaborate scheme to kill off one townie, no matter that I would obviously be lynched tomorrow.

Your hesitance to post the green is where you're failing. If I'm forced to go first, you can just copypasta and claim "Look! Role steal!" But should you go first, the obvious discrepancies will do you in.

-Tails

[chapcrap]

I'm more inclined to believe Tails at the moment. However, what about this:

• Tails and pcm are both lying and are mafia.
• mc05025 is also lying and is Voldemort.
• Their combined lies are just an effort to ensure that we all believe mc's claim until the endgame.

That's kind of crazy to think about, but it seems more and more likely to me, because I think all of them are crazy claims and have acted scummy...

Either way, pcm, you need to be a little more forthcoming.

FASTPOSTED by Tails.

[strike wolf]

And honestly, we shouldn't have to guide PCM's hand through every detail. He may be doing the same thing I was but right now I'm starting to feel I'm voting the wrong person.

[everywhere116]

f*ck. Unvote vote PMC

[everywhere116]

err....Unvote vote PCM

[Nebuchadnezer]

I'm more inclined to believe Tails at the moment. However, what about this:

• Tails and pcm are both lying and are mafia.
• mc05025 is also lying and is Voldemort.
• Their combined lies are just an effort to ensure that we all believe mc's claim until the endgame.

That's kind of crazy to think about, but it seems more and more likely to me, because I think all of them are crazy claims and have acted scummy...

Either way, pcm, you need to be a little more forthcoming.

FASTPOSTED by Tails.

Well, SPARTACUS pretty much cleared MC in his death throws. He stated that, as Snape, his win condition was to kill James Potter...and he somehow found him...hmmm...what are the chances that SPARTACUS targets his only possible win on the only possible night he was able to target anyone?...hmmm...Snape as a third party had no invested interest in protecting Voldamort.

Well, I'll think about that if things really lead that way...but I give MC a 1% chance of being Voldamort.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Bah, even with a clear counter and some bullshit about mod screwups you won't see through Tails. But whatever, that's fine.

I'M Lily Potter. I shouldn't have had to claim because there was so much going against Tails. But again, I can't help it if opinions are going to go against me.

ahahahaha nice try, slick. Post your green segment.

-Tails

Well, you got away without it. I figure I can too.

Role??

Wizard Watcher. Which leads me to believe Tails somehow got my role PM, likely through a role-stealing mechanic.

Well, it's good to see that pancakemix really cracked here...rather than try to go for some other role, and bring out a more important character, he exposes nobody else here, by forcing an additional claim. Thank you pancake. Worst case scenario, we lose pancake and lynch Tails the next day. I think we'll take a one for one trade in this deal...which I don't even think we'll take that with pancake turning up scum.

[mc05025]

Chap you have a very rich imagination.

Well now. I need both your green part and your actions till now

I unvote for now till I get answers but I think I will vote pcm again.

Pcm can you explain why you did not claim at once? If the deatheaters knew your role and trying to kill you why not to claim at once?

[pancakemix]

Bah, even with a clear counter and some bullshit about mod screwups you won't see through Tails. But whatever, that's fine.

I'M Lily Potter. I shouldn't have had to claim because there was so much going against Tails. But again, I can't help it if opinions are going to go against me.

ahahahaha nice try, slick. Post your green segment.

-Tails

Well, you got away without it. I figure I can too.

Role??

Wizard Watcher. Which leads me to believe Tails somehow got my role PM, likely through a role-stealing mechanic.

Yes yes, I stole your role, and am now blaming three obvious roleblocks on you in an elaborate scheme to kill off one townie, no matter that I would obviously be lynched tomorrow.

Your hesitance to post the green is where you're failing. If I'm forced to go first, you can just copypasta and claim "Look! Role steal!" But should you go first, the obvious discrepancies will do you in.

-Tails

Why? I shouldn't be forced to do anything you won't do. I say you didn't post the green in the first place, therefore why should your claim be taken at face value and mine not?

In addition, how do I know you don't win tomorrow? You could be trying to push things over the edge.

Pcm can you explain why you did not claim at once? If the deatheaters knew your role and trying to kill you why not to claim at once?

Because of the painfully obvious problem that Tail's non-matching N1 action was magically fixed because it was a "mod error". I thought he'd get lynched on those grounds because that, you know, would make sense.

N1 nothing. As I said, I don't like to make uneducated decisions.
N2 Strike. Nobody
N3 MC. Nobody.
N4 I was blocked.

[chapcrap]

Because of the painfully obvious problem that Tail's non-matching N1 action was magically fixed because it was a "mod error". I thought he'd get lynched on those grounds because that, you know, would make sense.

N1 nothing. As I said, I don't like to make uneducated decisions.
N2 Strike. Nobody
N3 MC. Nobody.
N4 I was blocked.

You don't like to make uneducated decisions? You were just a watcher... Wouldn't watching someone be better than watching no one? That doesn't even make sense. So, you're saying that you're other actions were educated decisions then? Why not explain why you chose who you chose. And tell who you tried to visit on N4.

And I do agree with you about Tails N1 issue. Seems a little strange.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Why? I shouldn't be forced to do anything you won't do. I say you didn't post the green in the first place, therefore why should your claim be taken at face value and mine not?

In addition, how do I know you don't win tomorrow? You could be trying to push things over the edge.

It's nice that you keep dodging the issue, and I know that you know what a full claim would entail. I needn't claim my green part yet because I claimed without any pressure; I claimed purely because I've got a bead on scum. You need to claim because you've been charged as being a scum roleblocker, and have resorted to a classic claim. The situations are different, and you know that my greatest weapon at this point is when you have to claim the green part and your fake will come crumbling down (especially with your assertion that I've stolen your role). I hate to use this cliche, but an innocent man such as yourself should have nothing to fear by claiming the green; both yours and mine would come under scrutiny by the rest of the players, and you should be acquitted, no?

Also, while lying and tricks are a part of mafia, I would never stoop to claiming that the mod made a mistake unless he actually did so. It's quite insulting that my integrity is questioned in such a manner. If I were faking, as some have mentioned, I would've argued that some mechanic or player obfuscated strike's action from me; claiming a mod error is just a dirty trick. And while it's apparent why freezie can't say anything on the matter currently, if I was faking he could've clearly said he made no errors, yet he hasn't.

And anyway, chap's got the right idea. Stating that you didn't use your N1 action because you hadn't any reads is quite lame. You're allegedly a watcher; a harmless action that only benefits you in your acquisition of intel. The only way this could backfire was if there was a pgo or suicidal townie.

-Tails

[Nebuchadnezer]

Because of the painfully obvious problem that Tail's non-matching N1 action was magically fixed because it was a "mod error". I thought he'd get lynched on those grounds because that, you know, would make sense.

N1 nothing. As I said, I don't like to make uneducated decisions.
N2 Strike. Nobody
N3 MC. Nobody.
N4 I was blocked.

Lol...you were watcher and didn't use your role N1, because...why? You might watch someone and see something? Hahaha! If you are town, I will most likely rain curses down on you after your lynch for your play. I think you are a veteran here, so I'm guessing you'd know there is no consequence to watching anybody. Your N2 is actually acceptable...but can't be confirmed at all. N3 is another stupid pick...you really think mafia cares about the double voter? N4 you were blocked? theHippo was on Iron, so he didn't block you...you must have been seen as such a threat by mafia that they blocked you.

There's some pretty bad lying going around here...But if we lynch you and you turn up town, then we lynch Tails. Either way, I feel safer with Pancake going down.

FASTPOSTED by Tails

[everywhere116]

Because of the painfully obvious problem that Tail's non-matching N1 action was magically fixed because it was a "mod error". I thought he'd get lynched on those grounds because that, you know, would make sense.

N1 nothing. As I said, I don't like to make uneducated decisions.
N2 Strike. Nobody
N3 MC. Nobody.
N4 I was blocked.

Lol...you were watcher and didn't use your role N1, because...why? You might watch someone and see something? Hahaha! If you are town, I will most likely rain curses down on you after your lynch for your play. I think you are a veteran here, so I'm guessing you'd know there is no consequence to watching anybody. Your N2 is actually acceptable...but can't be confirmed at all. N3 is another stupid pick...you really think mafia cares about the double voter? N4 you were blocked? theHippo was on Iron, so he didn't block you...you must have been seen as such a threat by mafia that they blocked you.

There's some pretty bad lying going around here...But if we lynch you and you turn up town, then we lynch Tails. Either way, I feel safer with Pancake going down.

As would I. What forced me to switch sides was the fact that it was the same exact claim Tails made, and yet Pancake said nothing about it. If he was indeed Lily Potter, he would have counter-claimed on his first or second post at the very latest, but he didn't. I didn't even consider the fact that not watching someone on Night 1 makes no sense whatsoever.

[spiesr]

And I already discussed how that is a short sighted policy, even if, as you have proposed, IB is Voldemort. Which doesn't make sense since chap has stated IB is not a wizard.

I don't see how Iron Butterfly being "not a wizard" prevents him from being from being Voldemort. Note how when Dazza died he was called "Deatheater Busdriver" while every town player thus far (and also Snape) has been "Wizard Whatever." I think that given how the term has been used in this game, it would be accurate to call Voldemort (and presumably the rest of the scum) "not a wizard."

Anyhow, on topic, I don't see any way forward except for Pancakemix to post the green part of his pm. Of course, I then expect Tailgunner to do the same, but given the circumstances I would say Pancakemix needs to go first.

[Nebuchadnezer]

And I already discussed how that is a short sighted policy, even if, as you have proposed, IB is Voldemort. Which doesn't make sense since chap has stated IB is not a wizard.

I don't see how Iron Butterfly being "not a wizard" prevents him from being from being Voldemort. Note how when Dazza died he was called "Deatheater Busdriver" while every town player thus far (and also Snape) has been "Wizard Whatever." I think that given how the term has been used in this game, it would be accurate to call Voldemort (and presumably the rest of the scum) "not a wizard."

Anyhow, on topic, I don't see any way forward except for Pancakemix to post the green part of his pm. Of course, I then expect Tailgunner to do the same, but given the circumstances I would say Pancakemix needs to go first.

Agreed

[Iron Butterfly]

You guys crack me up.

So let me ask you...If you were playing as Voldemort would you have put your neck on the line as I have by pretty much arguing agaist everyone to save Sparticas...BOTH times?

Or would you play like Bleed Green....gee oh yeah remember him? Or perhaps like Any??

Weather "wizard" is in his name or not Voldemort is still a wizard. Lets say for arguments sake that Voldemort is "He who shall not be named" or "Dark Harry Potter hater" or "Death Magic User" does that mow make him NOT a wizard when he has always been? Are we playing a game of semantics now?

The lore is no longer important so we are going to base our logic on how tricky we think the Mod is being with his wording?

I got "Deatheater" in my investigation. Your saying that because Chap got "Not a Wizard" I should have gotten "Not a Wizard" with Dazza?

According to the lore Dazza's character was a wizard. The bus driver was a deatheater.

[Nebuchadnezer]

And I already discussed how that is a short sighted policy, even if, as you have proposed, IB is Voldemort. Which doesn't make sense since chap has stated IB is not a wizard.

I don't see how Iron Butterfly being "not a wizard" prevents him from being from being Voldemort. Note how when Dazza died he was called "Deatheater Busdriver" while every town player thus far (and also Snape) has been "Wizard Whatever." I think that given how the term has been used in this game, it would be accurate to call Voldemort (and presumably the rest of the scum) "not a wizard."

Anyhow, on topic, I don't see any way forward except for Pancakemix to post the green part of his pm. Of course, I then expect Tailgunner to do the same, but given the circumstances I would say Pancakemix needs to go first.

Agreed

Murf...I was only agreeing with the last paragraph...his other stuff was all guessing...

[Djfireside]

Sorry with given news of twins so kinda crazy weekend I will post up soon with my whole barrage of stupid questions. Just wanted to make quick note. Very interesting stuff. Tails day 1 is leaving me a bit off because they truly only claimed 2 days really and no one can rebutt it. Just sitting strange with me but I'll post more on my logic tomorrow morning.

[mc05025]

I can see no green parts...

vote pancakemix

[everywhere116]

Can we assume that you threw your double vote into the mix as well?

[Nebuchadnezer]

UNVOTE

I will at least give Pancake a chance to post his green...but time is ticking...hell, I could have put together a decent green section by now...

[freezie]

Vote count:

Pancake(4): Tails, Ironbutterfly, Everywhere, Mchammer

Tails(2): Strike, Pancake

12 alive, 7 to lynch