[SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia - Over - Mafia Wins - MVP Aladdin

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

. The only one I would say I am actually "reading" is the one person with whom I am previously familiar. (already mentioned the name, don't want to repeat it).

Player if you are town then the onl way you have to commjnicate with your allies is here. As such you should do your utmost to be clear with your communication. Mention names repeatedly etc. Be clear.

You get mercury poisoning? You are suddenly misspelling, which is not like you. In fact your meta game personality has changed since we went in to night.

Tablet at work, it happens. Did my meta change at night, or when PT said he was ignoring Aladdin? I've been attempting to ignore Aladdin ever since.

Are you even listening? Mitch read about the Orchard in the D2 start scene! There have been many comments to say as much.

[benga]

Ate it

[rishaed]

From what I see the vast majority of us got an apple (me included.) My question is A. Is this something just from the mods or is this an actual role? I mean someone has been passing out gifts recently and While some of them have been useful, others have not been so useful. Overall, I wonder if the people who ate the apple either know what teh effect is afterwards, and can't talk about it. Or have no clue what happens is.

[StorrZerg]

lets not get on the delusional hype train and focus back to the game. ignore apples, 0 point talking

[PLAYER57832]

She's talking about me

Could have been me.

Surprised nobody is discussing your lack of inclusion in the circle of trust.

I was talking about Mets, I think you are mafia or, as they say here, "scum", because you have been attacking me and others heavily without any real cause, and steered folks away from attacking people who have shown cause. I also said that I think the prior alignment of votes was pretty telling, though not everyone who voted against sausage or in the other grouping are scum.

I also think we have a lot more scum and third party/not town aligned than was actually intended by mods, due to the modkills earlier. ALL of the kills, including lynches, to date have been either town or pro town. Several people were quite vocal about nailing sausage and in retrospect, it is rather suspicious... particularly when you , in particular come so hard against folks like me.

Your harsh attacks on aladdin are the one thing making me lean toward his innocence, but that could be a feint to distract as well.

And.. I suspect the closer I (or anyone else) comes to the truth, the more likely it is that we will be killed.

[PLAYER57832]

lets not get on the delusional hype train and focus back to the game. ignore apples, 0 point talking

Possibly true, but more likely that any response is delayed. My fear is that this was instituted to somehow reverse alignments or some such, as a way to correct the number of non-town folks. I don't know if that would be practical to do, though or how it might play out. I have been reading up on different mafia scenarios, mostly the links posted. I find it interesting that "bastard" games are generally considered to favor mafia. I find it interesting because if something like that was posted, and I were creating a game, then I would try to counteract that somehow, to make things more balanced. I don't know the game well enough to know how (or even how to set up a basic game..lol), but I think that is what I would try to do.

[Metsfanmax]

And.. I suspect the closer I (or anyone else) comes to the truth, the more likely it is that we will be killed.

The problem is, there's a lot of WIFOM involved in something like this. If you are right about Wing (say) and Wing is scum, yes, he might kill you to shut you up; but if you turn up dead tomorrow, that would also be an indication that you were barking up the right tree, so Wing might refrain from killing you for the same reason. And if you go up more in meta-level, maybe Wing isn't scum but the actual scum kill you to make town think that Wing is scum and is retaliating.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

And if I was mafia I'd just kill you now before you actually said anything so that your death is entirely meaningless to town.

There is nothing more detrimental than a town player who wont make their death count. Have convictions and stand by them. When I flip Aladdin gets lynched. If you flip town Player, nothing happens. Nobody learns anything. Its all a bit meaningless.

This stands for a lot of players in this game, a distinct lack of conviction, lack of reads, lack of stands. Meaningless existance. The mods are serving up a broad range of distractions, Storr is correct, ignore them.

Storr - comment on my list of reads? Or are you saving this for your daily miracle?

[Metsfanmax]

Incidentally I agree with Storr's sentiment but I suppose it's possible that it's important that people register whether they got apples and whether they ate them. Maybe it can help catch a liar depending on what the apples do. I'm not banking on it obviously, but I don't think we should shut down discussion on it entirely.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Incidentally I agree with Storr's sentiment but I suppose it's possible that it's important that people register whether they got apples and whether they ate them. Maybe it can help catch a liar depending on what the apples do. I'm not banking on it obviously, but I don't think we should shut down discussion on it entirely.

Aye, but in 48 hours when the effects take effect. Judging by the number of people receiving them this is one of the mods "surprises". IB is being abnormally obtuse by trying to pin it on Mitch.

[StorrZerg]

Aladdin
DJPatrick
Player
CatchersMitt
Falko
/ slash
Deg
White Rose

yawn

you are not doing a very good job convincing me to lynch any of them. I dont think your playing a very good game in general

[ptlowe]

Aladdin
DJPatrick
Player
CatchersMitt
Falko
/ slash
Deg
White Rose

yawn

you are not doing a very good job convincing me to lynch any of them. I dont think your playing a very good game in general

Why should he convince you. Figure out who you fin want to lynch

[StorrZerg]

Incidentally I agree with Storr's sentiment but I suppose it's possible that it's important that people register whether they got apples and whether they ate them. Maybe it can help catch a liar depending on what the apples do. I'm not banking on it obviously, but I don't think we should shut down discussion on it entirely.

here is why it matters very little....

people who post once in a blue moon, will only talk about it. annddd they are back to being useless and "attempting to contribute"

We can bring apples back up during day 2 discussion. When something might of happened. Its useless to speculate now, because thats all it is. speculation about anything. Sure people can respond with ate it, or did not. or w/e. But talking about it more than that is useless. Rather look at votes, and what not.

What we can decern is that there are 2 types of mafia people to be looking for right now. The kind that was hesitant to lynch either whatsausage or hotshot, because they feared a town result. The person looking for town cred for a town lynch. And the person who piled onto the lynches. Trying to mingle within the town. So people who voted neither hotshot or whatsausage, and people who voted both are what im going to be looking into soon.

[StorrZerg]

Aladdin
DJPatrick
Player
CatchersMitt
Falko
/ slash
Deg
White Rose

yawn

you are not doing a very good job convincing me to lynch any of them. I dont think your playing a very good game in general

Why should he convince you. Figure out who you fin want to lynch

I did figure out who i wanted to lynch, and we lynched him.
Secondly he is pandering directly to me, but imo isn't doing a good job generating discussion about any of them to me. He isn't showing enough of an interest, so im reciprocating his value of the list.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Aladdin
DJPatrick
Player
CatchersMitt
Falko
/ slash
Deg
White Rose

yawn

you are not doing a very good job convincing me to lynch any of them. I dont think your playing a very good game in general

Aladdin has spent how long asking for your reads? And have you actually given them yet. I want discussion that is more than just discussing the latest distraction, or being pissed of with people discussing the latest distraction, and you do what? Shoot me down?

Curious that you dont think I am playing a good game when you were very complimentary yesterday. If you didnt like it, then dont leave me with my head above the parapet on my own.

wing has actually done more in the reads department than yourself. Secondly, lyncher isn't an alignment, thats a role which could be anti town or town. You are under no pressure of dying in the night, give the reads before the day is out. (2 reasons why) One, you frustrate people and mafia could easily use this as an easy lynch (if you are town). 2, if shot by anything it would be a vig, so best get that info out now. 3, you are just not important enough to town atm. Plenty of other claims are out.

Absolutely right i'm not questioning wing that much. He is playing a game of mafia, expressing opinions and concerns, creating good discussion and keeping things on track. Sure many of these things can be faked, but his direction is good for now. it won't be clear about his motives till people flip.

Sure I'm not pushing that hard, what do you want me to do, carry this fecking game on my own? All I get is Aladdin jumping down my throat every time I do post something of substance.

[Metsfanmax]

people who post once in a blue moon, will only talk about it. annddd they are back to being useless and "attempting to contribute"

Yeah well you should practice what you preach. DJpatrick jumped in with a completely irrelevant post with the obvious intent of making it look like he was active. And your response was "stop shitposting." If you want something out of him other than just getting angry at you personally, that's not very effective. We can still focus on people who aren't contributing much and pay attention to the actual content of their posts, we don't need to crucify them for what they're doing, and their "shitposts" are also illuminating for what they don't contain.

What we can decern is that there are 2 types of mafia people to be looking for right now. The kind that was hesitant to lynch either whatsausage or hotshot, because they feared a town result. The person looking for town cred for a town lynch. And the person who piled onto the lynches. Trying to mingle within the town. So people who voted neither hotshot or whatsausage, and people who voted both are what im going to be looking into soon.

Meh. I completely disagree with your stance on Whatsausage's role, so I don't follow this. I abstained from that lynch because I didn't think he was dangerous to town. Your perspective only makes sense if everyone agrees with you.

[the white rose]

So while probability wise everyone has the same probability of being Town or mafia if you know a persons play style you can catch them easier. A prime example is White Rose.He was nailed his second game as mafia because he played different then he did when he was Town.

oh wise experienced holier than though ib, perhaps i posted less cos i was busier in real life, whether i was scum, town, 3p or jack in the box made no difference. I was trying to play 3 games at once and just simply did not have time to be as fully involved as the one i was lynched in......and i was only lynched cos the mods fucked up causing me to be counterclaimed.

so do us all a favour and cut the crap

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Obviously NOT commenting on this game...just a JOKE POST...wouldn't it be funny if there was a MAFIA game created, oh somewhere, where the Mods were the Mafia and did there best to wipe out the population of the game as a whole by, I don't know, maybe changing roles repeatedly and/or even creating roles during the game? Hell, maybe someone could even catch on early and call for a Mod lynch? Nah, that'd never happen! lol...maybe they would not even have to do that much as they could just rely on known player's personalities to play off against each other...that WOULD be funning too much...hahaha...
Maybe they could even use existing rules on modkill any players who got carried away and commented on their game during the 48 hour declared Night in accord with section 12 of standard rules which would be posted on front page...Could THAT happen? It would be unexpected but then again in circumstances like THAT hypothetical game those hypothetical players would obv have been warned to expect the unexpected...
Well, I think it would be funny so that's the end of my joke during this "Silent" Night 2 period...catch you all in about a day and a half when we're sure to have much to discuss
ES REVER NI

There once was a mod game here where the characters were named after the mods and some of the more infamous players on the site. I don't remember who won that game though.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

not to mention other cops who we really cant trust investigation wise. So yeh....ya see a theme now???

Yeah a broad range of sanities in powers. I still dont see where you fit into that.

Storr could be right, I might just be paranoid.

it literally means nothing till more comes to light.
best to stay focused on "finding and lynching scum" as well as just giving reads in general. Peoples motivations will come to light.

While it sucks that no mafia have been killed with 22/28 and its night phase. There really is no point to worry about it till latter. Talking about it now, just gives fuel for those that hardly talk to appear to be talking about something meaningful.

Yes it does suck that we've lost 6 members already, but being that we thought night 1 might be a blood bath, we could be a lot worse off than where we currently stand. We do need to start getting mafia though on our lynches(dah).

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Who else has recieved an apple from the orchard?

I also received an apple. Still reading at this point. Should we eat it or should we not? That is the question.

Sorry for the multiple posts, but the mods sent me a howler(harry potter reference) stating they care more about number of posts rather than condensing them into one or two most days.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

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I dont get you Wing.First you want to hunt scum now you are second guessing me on stupid shit? I seem to be the whiping boy this game. Neat distraction.

You start the game by holding a random player up for lynch and you expect md not to question it? It doesnt make sense.

Scum Rollcall, thoughts please (from all)

Aladdin (3rd party)
DJPatrick (Leaning towards him being scum atm)
Player(if mets than yes)
CatchersMitt (Unsure of)
Falko (50/50
/ slash (i don't think so
Deg (no)
White Rose (Yes)
i would add Storr to this list as well
(in rough order)

[Iron Butterfly]

Incidentally I agree with Storr's sentiment but I suppose it's possible that it's important that people register whether they got apples and whether they ate them. Maybe it can help catch a liar depending on what the apples do. I'm not banking on it obviously, but I don't think we should shut down discussion on it entirely.

Aye, but in 48 hours when the effects take effect. Judging by the number of people receiving them this is one of the mods "surprises". IB is being abnormally obtuse by trying to pin it on Mitch.

I did not "pin it". I suggested he predicted it. Big difference cupcake.

He knew I got gifted.He mentioned mailmen and bombs.He mentioned the orchard BEFORE the orchard came to light. I do not believe he has any of these roles. I believe he has a PR and he was given knowledge of these roles.
I I stated in one of my earlier posts from day one, who takes a crazy person seriously especially when they know the truth.*grin* It reminds me of those scary moves where the group of kids comes across the old geezer who says, "Your Dooomed...hehehe...and stay away from the moors at night"

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

He mentioned the orchard BEFORE the orchard came to light.

No he didnt, read p24

[LSU Tiger Josh]

The 8 ball was a one shot deal. It was supposed to be accurate according to the mods and it had three choices it could've given when asked about one individual player. They were town, mafia, or 3rd party. If the result came up as town, I'm inclined to say that sausage was a town favoring "3rd party". Most likely there is one that is opposite of what he was that is favoring mafia. I also think we are reading too much into what the object "looks like" as opposed to what it actually does.


Storr is claiming to be the "one true god" so him and white rose are whom I'm most inclined to vote at this time once dayrise occurs barring a surprise.

Also I am eating my apple. An apple a day keeps the doctor away and being that the doctor is dead I can't afford to have one come to me now.

[DJPatrick]

Okay, apples aint apples BUT I will speak of them seeing as Storr has issued one of his regular Game Edicts declaring such talk is useless and should cease.

I have advised that I will Leave The Apple....

I would agree that "eating the apple from the Orchard" is historically fraught with danger and would historically be the wrong way to go...BUT...I feel that Streaker would discern this and assume that Most pps (looks like everyone got one) would EAT it as "expecting the unexpected" so he will ES REVER the outcome...

Could be wrong (has happenned, even just recently on the Night talk thing) and expect to be shot down by the "usual suspects" but tho a relative newcomer to Mafia I've also played hundreds of games CC with the nudie man over the past seven years and I'm trying to work out the machevaellian scenarios he's weaving here as much as shooting off my mouth searching for Mafia...I think they have little more clue than anyone else what is going off here...

Thorts from left field of Town