Nyvek wrote:vgmmaster wrote:While this may or may not be 100% accurate, I did a little studying recetnly.
With the exception of RK and Sam Jam (role names unknown), all of the other mafia member's x-men names are or were villains of the x-men group. Trestain has claimed Pyro as his name. Pyro's affiliation is with the Brotherhood of Mutants and the Freedom Force. Both groups contain x-men villains.
However, Puff's name (Magneto) doesn't make any sense. According to my philosphy, he should be a mafia member. However, he was an insane doctor. (Take that however you want). Also, Red Bull's name was never revealed.
But, as the other mafia members have x-men villains as their name, and how Trestain's name is Pyro (an x-men villian), I believe that Trestain is mafia.
VOTE: Trestain
I'm seeing inconsistencies with your theory. I'm not a big X-Man guru so I had to go online to check their bios. These are the named roles we have to analyze.
Beast – Protown Day Cop, correct
Cannonball – Protown Cop, correct
Husk – Protown Vanilla Mutant, correct
Iceman – Neutral Instigator, wrong
Magneto – ProTown Insane Doc, wrong
Marrow – Mafia Cop, correct
Psylocke – Vanilla Mafia, wrong
Pyro – Protown Psychiatrist(claimed), wrong
Thunderbird – Vanilla Mafia, wrong
Wolverine – Mafia, wrong
Is this list accurate?
Beast, Cannonball, Husk, Iceman, Psylocke, Thunderbird and Wolverine are supposed to be good guys right?
Magneto, Marrow and Pyro supposedly the bad ones?
I'm not sure what an instigator is, but I don't think he is Anti-Town. So, Iceman being innocent fits with my theory. For the others, I can prove that you're wrong.
Psylocke was a good guy for a long while, but she was evil for a short period of time. During that time, she was known as Lady Mandarin who became the Hand's assassin. Also, she was a member of the Hellfire club, a group of villians.
Wolverine normally is good. He was evil for a short period of time however. At one time he was a member of the Horsemen of the Apocolypse. During his stint there, he was the incarnation of death. Also, the HotA, was a supervillain group.
Thunderbird is a bit diffucult to place. He was a member of the Marine Corps at one time. While they aren't super villains, they were a faction of the government. And unless I'm mistaken, the government wanted to eliminate the x-men.
Magneto, was mainly evil, but a good guy for a short period of time. The time where he was an ally with the x-men was against some alien beast called the beyonder.
For Pyro, he was a villian. You say I'm wrong, but you're not correct in your statement either. Trestian claimed Psychiatrist, but he is not a confirmed Psychiatrist. Therefore, he could be lying. Moz caught my hint to that as well.
Also, my x-men theory is based off the information at wikipedia.
Nyvek wrote:I guessed they were distributed randomly. If this is true, to me it looks like VGM has been breadcrumbing innocents.
vgmmaster wrote:A lot of random votes going out early I see.
Personally, I don't play that way. What I am wondering though, is this. Seeing how we have 25 players starting (if I counted correctly), it leaves you to wonder how many mafias there are.
Now, I'm not an X-men expert, but for now, I'm going to assume that there are two mafias. Mystique's group and Magneto's group. Also, I think Juggaurnaut may be the Serial Killer.
From there, we have to fill in the blanks, but this is where I'm leaning currently.
Here he introduces the theory that player’s alignment would likely be referenced by their character name as it pertains to X-Men lore. Not a bad idea since we don’t know much on page 3. What I don’t understand is why he’s still using it page 90 after it didn’t match up.
vgmmaster wrote:I don't like the whole usage of using random name generators such as random.org.
In my opinion, the people who use them are suspicious. Mainly for the fact that, because they are using random.org, I get the impression that they don't care who they lynch.
However, I'll agree to the fact that, because we started on day instead of night (which is very unusual in my experience), we have no leads on who the mafia may be. That's the only justice I can see in using it, but I don't think using random.org is justifiable to the point where there is nothing suspicious about it.
Because of that, Tiny FOS: Random.org users.
Then he points suspicion to the group of players for doing a traditional day 1 practice used by an entire forum at mafiascum.net.
vgmmaster wrote:Sorry for not posting more guys. I'm in the middle of two other mafia games at the moment and have the tendency to play a lot of Risk over the weekend.
Anyways, I'm a little suspicious of Puff's actions. Either he is a complete idiot for claiming doc as he'll now be killed over night (and then Red Bull the following night) or he's trying to not be lynched.
He only had one, maybe two votes against him, so there was no reason to make a roleclaim. That's why he appears suspicious.
I'd call him a newb/noob, but I've seen him in other games (and he's modding one currently as well), so I have the feeling he may just be an idiot.
One or the other, Puff's way of claiming is a bit odd and because of that, TFOS: Puff
I won't vote though, as I'll give you the benefit of a doubt. However, I have a thought that I won't reveal until the next day providing you're still alive.
Since your foreshadowing was correct, what was you next day thought?
vgmmaster wrote:AK_iceman wrote:Vote Count- [1] red bull -- (dussle)
- [1] Lt.Mustard -- (autoload)
- [1] Puff -- (Fircoal)
- [11] dcowboys055 -- (moz976, Sully800, Puff, trestain, wicked, Senfive, reverend_kyle, vgmmaster, Sam Jam, HoussamTheGreat, red bull)
- [7] Not Voting, Everyone Else
11 Total Votes are needed for a Lynch or No Lynch
I remember a game that I played on another forum where an experienced player said it's possible to find scum on the way the vote takes place.
He mentions that the third voter (or around there) votes in an attempt to get a bandwagon started. The next to last voter may try to get some random person to put the final vote on somebody to lynch them.
In this case Puff and Houssam seem to fit the bill. Wether they are mafia or not is unknown, but Puff has appeared suspicious. Also the last voter, red bull, also appears suspicious to some people.
This is referred to as Appealing to Authority, a logical fallacy. Relying overmuch on the arguments of “older,wiser” players (especially when the argument is theoretical rather than based on the facts of the current game) can be a fallacious argument designed to persuade. Sometimes Newbie players will make this assumption because they are unsure of their own skill at catching scum(VGM is not newbie). By invoking the name or ideas of an experienced player, they absolve themselves of responsibility if the theory turns out to be false later.
In this particular case, 2 of the 3 fingered are innocents, with 1 unidentified.
vgmmaster wrote:Concerning Marv, I see it this way. If he is mafia, he can't hurt us because he isn't here. Due to that one reason alone, I believe we should keep him around for a while.
Any particular reason why Marv would be more important than any other townie? That is assuming you two are townies.
First of all, when I made my theory on page 3, I was thinking of some of the better known x-men characters. Obviously, it didn't work out that way, but the "x-men theory" may still be correct to some extent.
For the random.org, it was a tiny FOS. In other words, I didn't really suspect them. The only reason they even recieved a FOS is because I am personally against using random.org for lynching somebody.
For Puff, I'll be honest. At this moment time, I have forgotten what my idea was for that particular moment. It did have something to do with his role claim and the situation though, I think.
I never claimed to say that the "voting theory" was correct. Nor did I say that I believed it. I only mentioned the possible situation.
For marv, I mentioned that if he was away, he couldn't hurt us providing that he is mafia. I figured it would be best to focus on somebody who can hurt us instead of somebody visiting the sandy beaches of Florida. However, seeing how marv has returned, I'm all for voting for him if he appears suspicious.
Nyvek wrote:AndyDufresne wrote:This was falling closer toward the bottom.
Anyways, nice to hear from some of the others now. As you noticed, I (and pretty much everyone else throughout the thread) asked Hugue to post more...and then he doesn't. Hm.
Also, Nyvek, your post about VGM is interesting, especially the Marv part, as I remembered that...and I still don't trust Marv.
One of the things I'm concerned with is VGM's voting philosophy. When it came to Puff, Red Bull, Fircoal, and Trestain, (Claimed Doc, Cop, "important role", and Psychiatrist), he's willing to lynch them to determine the validity of their claims. Marv made no power role claim, but VGM says
vgmmaster wrote:Concerning Marv, I see it this way. If he is mafia, he can't hurt us because he isn't here. Due to that one reason alone, I believe we should keep him around for a while.
Bolding by Nyvek.
Not to be crass, but WTF kind of strategy is that? If he’s Mafia, he needs to be hanging now.
I couldn’t find much on Marv at the moment; else I would have posted it. If anyone is curious why I’m voting Hugu and quoting VGM, I currently don’t subscribe to the 1 mafia left theory. I feel there could easily be 3 left.
Seeing how Puff, Redbull, and Fircoal are now dead and their roles are confirmed, it obviously looks like a bad voting record. However, most of the claims were made with few to none votes made against them. In other words, they were nowhere near the state of needing to roleclaim and that's why I viewed them as possibly suspicious. However, after their claims, I unvoted for them (I'm almost sure on that).
Concerning Trestain, I don't believe his role claim. Moz knows what I'm talking about and plus, he's not active anyways, so if he is Pro-Town, he's not helping us to begin with. Also, don't you find it suspicious that when Mach claimed that zero serial killers exist in this game, everybody believed him? Isn't it odder that Trestrain claimes the Psychiartrist role shortly after the SK's death? Believe him if you want, but I won't fall for his lying.
Concerning your bolding of parts in my post about Marv, you are certainly trying to create a bandwagon against me. You are taking it out of context and you're bolding the parts that are convienent to you. You want me dead. If it wasn't for the towning wanting to lynch either Trestain or Hugue tonight, I'd be more then happy to lynch your ass and place it on a platter if that is what you want.
SSFOS: Nyvek
It's obvious he wants me dead, and he's trying to manipulate my posts so I look like mafia. In other words, he's using a mafia tactic to make himself look innocent in my opinion.
And remember Andy, people strongly believe you are Pro-Town and Nyvek did the same exact thing to you. I don't think it was quite as strong though as his current statements.
