[Official] NBC Mafia Town Win MVP=trinicardinal

[MeDeFe]

My apologies. I really don't have as much time as I'd like to dedicate to this.

Interesting turn of events with a second counterclaim. It seems to me the only logical recourse is to lynch one of the claimed. Seeing as Epitaph is closest to a lynch, that seems to be the best course to follow.

Vote Epitaph

With this I'd say you have pretty much outed yourself as scum. You want to lynch the person who's closest to being lynched rather than the one you think is the scummiest? At this point in the game?

I'm maing a note to myself to re-read this from about page 90 and check for any holes.

My first impression is that Trini is telling the truth, I'm less certain between Epitaph and betiko.

[trinicardinal]

well trini; i don't make up the devices i'm given to start with. As you know, this is my first mafia, but you can ask more experienced players about the inventor role, I don't get to give names to the inventions. and why would I fake counterclaim at this point with already the trini-mob case?

To put it simply betiko the idea of Igor being an inventor is laughable at best. then those invention names just add to the factors making this claim very unbelievable. Your attempts to explain away this anomaly don't exactly work - an assistant is not the inventor

funily enough, epitaph and trini on the same side. So did you put one of your scum mates in your original list trini to then clear him up?

When did I clear Epitaph? - If anything, you did that one yourself...lol I cleared MeDeFe. Skimming?

I'm starting to lean mob in the bus drivers battle.

Now that I think about it; trini has tried to look helpfull for town all game making cases on everyone. but what was he really doing? he was just plainly regrouping quotes from players and repeating what they were saying.

- you seem to (conveniently) forget that's a big part of the process in making cases and trying to find inconsistencies in their statements as well as pulling together the scummy statements.

Now; there is only one igor and only one bus driver. I'd like to hear from medefe and PCM.

Well you heard from them - PCM was a bit abrupt with no true reasoning - just wants to lynch the one nearest to a lynch - definite scum tell (as if there weren't enough around already so that has done you no favours. and MeDeFe has picked up on that

My apologies. I really don't have as much time as I'd like to dedicate to this.

Interesting turn of events with a second counterclaim. It seems to me the only logical recourse is to lynch one of the claimed. Seeing as Epitaph is closest to a lynch, that seems to be the best course to follow.

Vote Epitaph

With this I'd say you have pretty much outed yourself as scum. You want to lynch the person who's closest to being lynched rather than the one you think is the scummiest? At this point in the game?

I'm maing a note to myself to re-read this from about page 90 and check for any holes.

My first impression is that Trini is telling the truth, I'm less certain between Epitaph and betiko.

@Epitaph - by now you should be sure that betiko is scum - given that MoB "cleared" betiko

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Night 2:
Switched Swifte and Betiko:
Reasons for Swifte: He was the doctor, no clues about a watcher being in the game.
Reasons for Betiko: His chat and playstyle is kind of odd. Especially Day 1 he got a lot of scrutiny, and I believed that him and Rodion had a possible connection. He seemed to be fogging the game more than clearing the game. After Rodion flipped VT I didn't really know what to think about Betiko. If you want specific quotes that tripped my scumdar I can provide them. Just off the top of my head, he just asks a lot of questions where I thought his intention was to fog the game. He had questions about there being an SK in the game, he threw around the idea of a poisoner. He went after me at weird points of the game, and I thought it was a deflection off Rodion.

This clears Betiko, because the mafia attemped to kill him N2.

it should also be clear that MoB is also scum.

@MeDeFe - re-reading from about page 90/91 is a good idea but bear this in mind as well please while re-reading.

you should now be convinced that PCM is scum - given that MoB "cleared" pcm

Night 1:
Switched Swifte and SG7 -

This clears PCM, because Jim tried to investigate Swifte, he actually investigated SG7.

It should now be clear to you as well that MoB is scum. Also remember that I have listed lots of other reasons why MoB is scum.

I'm going to to back to my list -

jim - claim: Mayor - Cop
dazza - claim: Behemoth VT
Leitz - claim: Sally - one way Lover

trinicardinal - claim: Skeletal Reindeer - Busdriver
MeDeFe - no claim but was targeted by mafia N2

Epitaph - claim: Igor - backup doctor
chapcrap - claim: VT (no name stated)



people I believe are mafia based on reactions to date
pcm - no claim but I'd say he outed himself with his "reason for his vote on Epitaph.
betiko - claim: Igor - Town Inventor

MoB - claim: Skeletal Reindeer - Busdriver (I am 100% sure its a fake claim and he is mafia)

Also please look at the votes on Epitaph (you'll notice I've coloured specific names in red)-

Vote Count

MeDeFe(1)- chap
Mob(2)- trini, dazza
Epitaph(3)-betiko, leitz, MoB
betiko(1)- epitaph


With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

and PCM later added his vote to Epitaph.

Let's go back to the lynches and you'll notice that Mob AND betiko were in the final tally for every town lnych so far.

Vote Count

Leitz
MoB Deadly
Rodion
jimfinn
shieldgenerator7
jonty125
dazza2008
trinicardinal
Swifte
drunkmonkey
BGtheBrain (9)- strike, jonty, Rodion, MeDeFe, Swifte, betiko, chap, MoB, BG
Epitaph1
betiko (1) - Leitz
MeDeFe
chapcrap
strike wolf

BG has been lynched! Scene coming up.

Vote Count

Rodion (8)- strike, jonty, Mob, betiko, epitaph, Leitz, Dazza, chap
strike(1)- Rodion


Rodion has been lynched, scene coming up.

Apologies for the late scene, I was watching Sherlock Holmes last night (awesome) and my internet went out.

Vote Count

leitz (1)- dazza
dazza(3)- PCM, leitz, jonty
jonty(7)- strike, betiko, chap, trini, MeDeFe, MoB, dazza

jonty has been lynched. Sorry for the delay, was celebrating Chinese New Year.

@ Leitz and jim - I'd love to hear the two of you weigh in some more if possible. How do you feel about the cases now jim?

[pancakemix]

My apologies. I really don't have as much time as I'd like to dedicate to this.

Interesting turn of events with a second counterclaim. It seems to me the only logical recourse is to lynch one of the claimed. Seeing as Epitaph is closest to a lynch, that seems to be the best course to follow.

Vote Epitaph

With this I'd say you have pretty much outed yourself as scum. You want to lynch the person who's closest to being lynched rather than the one you think is the scummiest? At this point in the game?

I'm maing a note to myself to re-read this from about page 90 and check for any holes.

My first impression is that Trini is telling the truth, I'm less certain between Epitaph and betiko.

I don't like either of them, to be honest. You're disregarding the fact that every analysis has Epitaph pegged as scum anyway, so I don't think it's too much of a stretch to opt for that sort of logic, hm? Especially in a situation such as this. I shouldn't have to explain this, much as I shouldn't have to explain why I quoted drunkmonkey in my case on dazza. And if I'm not providing as much info as you or I would like, well, I'm don't want to sound like a broken record.

[trinicardinal]

well, I am going to claim now so you understand better my arguments. I am Igor - Town Inventor

Epitaph cannot be Igor because that is me. I wanted to wait just a little to see what happened, but it's not going too much on epitaph's way in terms of votes.

I had 2 devices that I have already used. The first one was on night 2, I used a forcefield generator on swifte because we had both the cop and the doctor out. swifte was going to protect the cop and no one was going to protect him, he was just going to be watched.

My second device, the seeing crystal, was used LAST NIGHT on chapcrap and i got an investigative result. Chap is innocent. I had still a few doubts and I said on day 3 that i would look at it more actively on day 4 (the chap case). I therefore didn't get roleblocked!!!! I used my night action.

Hey betiko - i decided to do a little search around after your claim and guess what I found?


http://cataldo.freeshell.org/mafia/mscumB.swf

that link carries you to a little mafia guide... under the heading of Protagonistic we get several roles of which inventor is one (2nd row - 3rd from the left in the figures. When I click on the inventor (figure) I get a nice little synopsis -



Now,at least, I know where your "invention" names came from. - makes your claim even more unbelievable I'd say.

[jimfinn]

I feel now like betiko is likely to be the scum, and epitaph is possibly innocent, but I'd like to reserve my judgement on him. I believe that of the trini/MoB dichotomy, one of the two is scum and one is town, but I'd prefer to lynch betiko today.

Vote: betiko

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

MeDeFe(1)- chap
Mob(2)- trini, dazza
Epitaph(4)-betiko, leitz, MoB, PCM
betiko(2)- epitaph, jim


With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

[betiko]

well trini; i don't make up the devices i'm given to start with. As you know, this is my first mafia, but you can ask more experienced players about the inventor role, I don't get to give names to the inventions. and why would I fake counterclaim at this point with already the trini-mob case?

To put it simply betiko the idea of Igor being an inventor is laughable at best. then those invention names just add to the factors making this claim very unbelievable. Your attempts to explain away this anomaly don't exactly work - an assistant is not the inventor


A mayor is a cop and a mad scientist is a doctor for humans?

and igor is a doctor more than an inventor in your feeling aboutthe movie flavour?
[YouTube]
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funily enough, epitaph and trini on the same side. So did you put one of your scum mates in your original list trini to then clear him up?

When did I clear Epitaph? - If anything, you did that one yourself...lol I cleared MeDeFe. Skimming?


who is skimming here? I am talking about what you are pretending to do, not what you have already done. Epitaph was on both of your lists; so in any given scenario he must be scum according to yourself. he claims backup doctor; which for you seems reasonable compared to the movie, and then I counterclaim the same character that has been given to me. I can't really argue anything about the character and the flavour because i have nothing to justify about this; complain to saf if you don't like it. If you want to stick by the movie, both claims are not sticking exactly to the character, nevertheless, you blindly go for me without even balancing pros and cons of both claims. this is what i find the most suspicious about your reaction.

I'm starting to lean mob in the bus drivers battle.

Now that I think about it; trini has tried to look helpfull for town all game making cases on everyone. but what was he really doing? he was just plainly regrouping quotes from players and repeating what they were saying.

- you seem to (conveniently) forget that's a big part of the process in making cases and trying to find inconsistencies in their statements as well as pulling together the scummy statements.

what you have been doing all game; is to requote all phrases from players then paraphrasing exactly what they said; not adding any substance to the cases. At this stage of the game, you realized after jim's proposition of mass claiming that this would put you on a real tough spot. what was the best move? leitz knowing who jack is; everyone knowing who the cop is; there was only one real power role left and you had found out last night by deduction who he was.. As you most probably roleblocked him last night (mob). You had to roleclaim bus driver before him to earn more credibility; and preparing all your supposedly night actions + an entire scum list. Well played, but unfortunatelu for you; there was this one role that you didn't see comming; mine, a small power role and that i performed a night action which proves me you couldn't possibly bus drive me last night.

Now; there is only one igor and only one bus driver. I'd like to hear from medefe and PCM.

Well you heard from them - PCM was a bit abrupt with no true reasoning - just wants to lynch the one nearest to a lynch - definite scum tell (as if there weren't enough around already so that has done you no favours. and MeDeFe has picked up on that

I have to say I agree with you on this. pcm and medefe were on my shady list and pcm's post looks definitely like a big scum move. And I do think that you are being manipulative and trying to play both ways; putting dirt on your scum buds not to compromise them.

I'm pretty sure about epitaph, trini and pcm, have more doubts about the 4th guy, if there is really one, and i do think so.

My apologies. I really don't have as much time as I'd like to dedicate to this.

Interesting turn of events with a second counterclaim. It seems to me the only logical recourse is to lynch one of the claimed. Seeing as Epitaph is closest to a lynch, that seems to be the best course to follow.

Vote Epitaph

With this I'd say you have pretty much outed yourself as scum. You want to lynch the person who's closest to being lynched rather than the one you think is the scummiest? At this point in the game?

I'm maing a note to myself to re-read this from about page 90 and check for any holes.

My first impression is that Trini is telling the truth, I'm less certain between Epitaph and betiko.

@Epitaph - by now you should be sure that betiko is scum - given that MoB "cleared" betiko

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Night 2:
Switched Swifte and Betiko:
Reasons for Swifte: He was the doctor, no clues about a watcher being in the game.
Reasons for Betiko: His chat and playstyle is kind of odd. Especially Day 1 he got a lot of scrutiny, and I believed that him and Rodion had a possible connection. He seemed to be fogging the game more than clearing the game. After Rodion flipped VT I didn't really know what to think about Betiko. If you want specific quotes that tripped my scumdar I can provide them. Just off the top of my head, he just asks a lot of questions where I thought his intention was to fog the game. He had questions about there being an SK in the game, he threw around the idea of a poisoner. He went after me at weird points of the game, and I thought it was a deflection off Rodion.

This clears Betiko, because the mafia attemped to kill him N2.

it should also be clear that MoB is also scum.

@MeDeFe - re-reading from about page 90/91 is a good idea but bear this in mind as well please while re-reading.

you should now be convinced that PCM is scum - given that MoB "cleared" pcm

Night 1:
Switched Swifte and SG7 -

This clears PCM, because Jim tried to investigate Swifte, he actually investigated SG7.

It should now be clear to you as well that MoB is scum. Also remember that I have listed lots of other reasons why MoB is scum.

I'm going to to back to my list -

jim - claim: Mayor - Cop
dazza - claim: Behemoth VT
Leitz - claim: Sally - one way Lover

trinicardinal - claim: Skeletal Reindeer - Busdriver
MeDeFe - no claim but was targeted by mafia N2

Epitaph - claim: Igor - backup doctor
chapcrap - claim: VT (no name stated)



people I believe are mafia based on reactions to date
pcm - no claim but I'd say he outed himself with his "reason for his vote on Epitaph.
betiko - claim: Igor - Town Inventor

MoB - claim: Skeletal Reindeer - Busdriver (I am 100% sure its a fake claim and he is mafia)

Also please look at the votes on Epitaph (you'll notice I've coloured specific names in red)-

Vote Count

MeDeFe(1)- chap
Mob(2)- trini, dazza
Epitaph(3)-betiko, leitz, MoB
betiko(1)- epitaph


With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

and PCM later added his vote to Epitaph.

Let's go back to the lynches and you'll notice that Mob AND betiko were in the final tally for every town lnych so far.

Vote Count

Leitz
MoB Deadly
Rodion
jimfinn
shieldgenerator7
jonty125
dazza2008
trinicardinal
Swifte
drunkmonkey
BGtheBrain (9)- strike, jonty, Rodion, MeDeFe, Swifte, betiko, chap, MoB, BG
Epitaph1
betiko (1) - Leitz
MeDeFe
chapcrap
strike wolf

BG has been lynched! Scene coming up.

Vote Count

Rodion (8)- strike, jonty, Mob, betiko, epitaph, Leitz, Dazza, chap
strike(1)- Rodion


Rodion has been lynched, scene coming up.

Apologies for the late scene, I was watching Sherlock Holmes last night (awesome) and my internet went out.

Vote Count

leitz (1)- dazza
dazza(3)- PCM, leitz, jonty
jonty(7)- strike, betiko, chap, trini, MeDeFe, MoB, dazza

jonty has been lynched. Sorry for the delay, was celebrating Chinese New Year.

@ Leitz and jim - I'd love to hear the two of you weigh in some more if possible. How do you feel about the cases now jim?

your thing about votes is pure skimming. chap jonty, rodion, strike have always voted for the linched guy when they had the chance. Whereas you never wanted to get involved to vote; you gave it time each time. it's like reverse band waggoning; trying not to get involved and looking everything from your chrystal tower. you did vote for jonty though; as you are a very good player you knew that you had to vary your game and that not voting for the band wagon on the 2 first days made voting on the 3rd day as the most intelligent play. I got to say all your strategy is very smart, I won't deny that and I will definitely learn from you.

[betiko]

well, I am going to claim now so you understand better my arguments. I am Igor - Town Inventor

Epitaph cannot be Igor because that is me. I wanted to wait just a little to see what happened, but it's not going too much on epitaph's way in terms of votes.

I had 2 devices that I have already used. The first one was on night 2, I used a forcefield generator on swifte because we had both the cop and the doctor out. swifte was going to protect the cop and no one was going to protect him, he was just going to be watched.

My second device, the seeing crystal, was used LAST NIGHT on chapcrap and i got an investigative result. Chap is innocent. I had still a few doubts and I said on day 3 that i would look at it more actively on day 4 (the chap case). I therefore didn't get roleblocked!!!! I used my night action.

Hey betiko - i decided to do a little search around after your claim and guess what I found?


http://cataldo.freeshell.org/mafia/mscumB.swf

that link carries you to a little mafia guide... under the heading of Protagonistic we get several roles of which inventor is one (2nd row - 3rd from the left in the figures. When I click on the inventor (figure) I get a nice little synopsis -



Now,at least, I know where your "invention" names came from. - makes your claim even more unbelievable I'd say.

That's quite funny! never seen that page; but obviously if you hadn't found anything, your argument would've been that there is no such thing and that the names were ridiculous so it proved something. since you've found it on some shady website, your argument is that it's a proof against me; catch 22!!
thanks I guess, for that research and proving that the inventor role exists, so do these devices!
ps: in my previous post i got mixed up and there is a sentence from me about pcm that didn't get coloured in red cause i must ve miss selected all my quotes at some point when i added the colour.

[dazza2008]

I think most of us knew the role exists but I think most peoples problem was that the items do not fit the theme of this game. I don't know as I still have not watched the film.

[chapcrap]

As of now, I believe trini more than the others. It did not start out that way.

I believe that Epitaph is mafia either way, so I will unvote vote Epitaph.

Thoughts:

MoB, trini, both of your "breadcrumbs" suck. MoB's is only slightly better.

MeDeFe, you are so lucky that these claims came out today because there is no way you wouldn't have been lynched otherwise, your activity is appalling.

What was found on the other website about the inventor role is pretty funny. Either betiko just snatched it up or safari found it when looking at making the game. I'm not sure which I think more likely. Betiko and Epitaph could both easily be scum. It sounds like a crappy claim by both of them to me. They could have used it to pit themselves against each other so that one could survive to the end no matter who was lynched.

The fact that trini says this is suspicious to me:

In regards to night actions, I can neither confirm nor deny whatever any player says about night actions. That will have to wait until the game is over, but I guarantee that no one player knows more about the mechanics of how night actions work more than another.

lol - Told you so. I knew saf wasn't going to say anything that would be helpful cause I had already asked him. all I can say is use rule 15 to your advantage folks. You may still be able to get useful information if you use it properly.

trini tried to say he knew that saf wouldn't tell if a busdriver was roleblocked or not. Then, when saf says that no one knows about the mechanics any more than someone else, trini tries to paint it like that was good for him. I see it the other way. It seems to me saf is saying that trini doesn't know what he's talking about. That doesn't mean trini is wrong or is scum, but trini doesn't know. And he keeps trying to say that he does.

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

Mob(2)- trini, dazza
Epitaph(5)-betiko, leitz, MoB, PCM, chap
betiko(2)- epitaph, jim


With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

[betiko]

As of now, I believe trini more than the others. It did not start out that way.

I believe that Epitaph is mafia either way, so I will unvote vote Epitaph.

Thoughts:

MoB, trini, both of your "breadcrumbs" suck. MoB's is only slightly better.

MeDeFe, you are so lucky that these claims came out today because there is no way you wouldn't have been lynched otherwise, your activity is appalling.

What was found on the other website about the inventor role is pretty funny. Either betiko just snatched it up or safari found it when looking at making the game. I'm not sure which I think more likely. Betiko and Epitaph could both easily be scum. It sounds like a crappy claim by both of them to me. They could have used it to pit themselves against each other so that one could survive to the end no matter who was lynched.

The fact that trini says this is suspicious to me:

In regards to night actions, I can neither confirm nor deny whatever any player says about night actions. That will have to wait until the game is over, but I guarantee that no one player knows more about the mechanics of how night actions work more than another.

lol - Told you so. I knew saf wasn't going to say anything that would be helpful cause I had already asked him. all I can say is use rule 15 to your advantage folks. You may still be able to get useful information if you use it properly.

trini tried to say he knew that saf wouldn't tell if a busdriver was roleblocked or not. Then, when saf says that no one knows about the mechanics any more than someone else, trini tries to paint it like that was good for him. I see it the other way. It seems to me saf is saying that trini doesn't know what he's talking about. That doesn't mean trini is wrong or is scum, but trini doesn't know. And he keeps trying to say that he does.

he is undoubtly a very good player with a few good tricks.

anyway as we are basically mylo: the scums will try to kill jack tonight, block the bus driver and we will lose 2 townies. should be a 4-3 tomorrow; jim investigates mob or trini; we could get a godfather out of these 2 and it could turn bad.

if someone is still hesitating to vote epitaph i will just add one more thing: if he was town, he would ve been speed lynched a long time ago at l-2. if he is still alive, it's because he is nothing but scum.

dazza, you re the official hammer!

[chapcrap]

he is undoubtly a very good player with a few good tricks.

Who are you talking about. I mentioned quite a few people in that post.

if someone is still hesitating to vote epitaph i will just add one more thing: if he was town, he would ve been speed lynched a long time ago at l-2. if he is still alive, it's because he is nothing but scum.

QFT. Unless there were already numerous scum members on Epitaph... Either way, I believe that I'm right about Epi being scum, so my vote will stay there. Hopefully this proves to be true.

[trinicardinal]

he is undoubtly a very good player with a few good tricks.

Who are you talking about. I mentioned quite a few people in that post.

if someone is still hesitating to vote epitaph i will just add one more thing: if he was town, he would ve been speed lynched a long time ago at l-2. if he is still alive, it's because he is nothing but scum.

QFT. Unless there were already numerous scum members on Epitaph... Either way, I believe that I'm right about Epi being scum, so my vote will stay there. Hopefully this proves to be true.

QFT - MoB, betiko, pcm are all voting for Epitaph, pick between Leitz and chap for your 4th mafia. That's the way it looks right now. I'll be putting together a more detailed response to the rest of the posts in a short while.

[trinicardinal]

well trini; i don't make up the devices i'm given to start with. As you know, this is my first mafia, but you can ask more experienced players about the inventor role, I don't get to give names to the inventions. and why would I fake counterclaim at this point with already the trini-mob case?

To put it simply betiko the idea of Igor being an inventor is laughable at best. then those invention names just add to the factors making this claim very unbelievable. Your attempts to explain away this anomaly don't exactly work - an assistant is not the inventor

A mayor is a cop and a mad scientist is a doctor for humans?

and igor is a doctor more than an inventor in your feeling aboutthe movie flavour?

where Dr. Finklestein is a doctor Igor makes more sense as a backup doctor than an inventor. - what doesn't fit is Finklestein as a doctor and Igor as an Inventor, and worse yet, those so called inventions that you copied.

funily enough, epitaph and trini on the same side. So did you put one of your scum mates in your original list trini to then clear him up?

When did I clear Epitaph? - If anything, you did that one yourself...lol I cleared MeDeFe. Skimming?

who is skimming here? I am talking about what you are pretending to do, not what you have already done. Epitaph was on both of your lists; (1)so in any given scenario he must be scum according to yourself. he claims backup doctor; which for you seems reasonable compared to the movie, and then I (2)counterclaim the same character that has been given to me. I can't really argue anything about the character and the flavour because i have nothing to justify about this; complain to saf if you don't like it. If you want to stick by the movie, both claims are not sticking exactly to the character, nevertheless, (3) you blindly go for me without even balancing pros and cons of both claims. this is what i find the most suspicious about your reaction.

(1) not in any given scenario and you keep skimming/ignoring that part. Only in the scenario that several claims that we got otherwise were All true.
(2) the counter claim that you chose to use could have been much better thought out there's no need to complain to saf about that. ( I'll excuse you since its your first mafia - and it does help town)
(3) I did not go blindly for you - I've listed good reasons why I believe you to be mafia and why I more believe Epitaph and not you - you are the one ignoring the pros and cons of my arguments not that I find that surprising.

I'm starting to lean mob in the bus drivers battle.

Now that I think about it; trini has tried to look helpfull for town all game making cases on everyone. but what was he really doing? he was just plainly regrouping quotes from players and repeating what they were saying.

- you seem to (conveniently) forget that's a big part of the process in making cases and trying to find inconsistencies in their statements as well as pulling together the scummy statements.

what you have been doing all game; is to requote all phrases from players then paraphrasing exactly what they said; not adding any substance to the cases. (1) At this stage of the game, you realized after jim's proposition of mass claiming that this would put you on a real tough spot. what was the best move? leitz knowing who jack is; everyone knowing who the cop is; there was only one real power role left and you had found out last night by deduction who he was.. As you most probably roleblocked him last night (mob). You had to roleclaim bus driver before him to earn more credibility; and preparing all your supposedly night actions + an entire scum list. Well played, but unfortunatelu for you; there was this one role that you didn't see comming; mine, a small power role and that(2) i performed a night action which proves me you couldn't possibly bus drive me last night.

(1) Mass claiming does not put me on a tough spot - it puts town on a tough spot if Jack is forced to claim.
(2) Your so called action still can't prove that you weren't busdriven - you are ignoring facts again and/or skimming my response. Even worse your whole action claim is so obviously copied from a guide that it is a moot argument.

Now; there is only one igor and only one bus driver. I'd like to hear from medefe and PCM.

Well you heard from them - PCM was a bit abrupt with no true reasoning - just wants to lynch the one nearest to a lynch - definite scum tell (as if there weren't enough around already so that has done you no favours. and MeDeFe has picked up on that

I have to say I agree with you on this. pcm and medefe were on my shady list and pcm's post looks definitely like a big scum move. And I do think that you are being manipulative and trying to play both ways; putting dirt on your scum buds not to compromise them.
I'm pretty sure about epitaph, trini and pcm, have more doubts about the 4th guy, if there is really one, and i do think so.

nice try beitko - I've been very clear as to my suspicions from early on and laid out my reasoning every time. You, MoB and PCM were on my mafia list from my claim and I still maintain that you are mafia. this is not trying to play both ways. Epitaph was the one that I was least sure about and now with your fakeclaim its a whole lot less likely that he is mafia.

My apologies. I really don't have as much time as I'd like to dedicate to this.

Interesting turn of events with a second counterclaim. It seems to me the only logical recourse is to lynch one of the claimed. Seeing as Epitaph is closest to a lynch, that seems to be the best course to follow.

Vote Epitaph

With this I'd say you have pretty much outed yourself as scum. You want to lynch the person who's closest to being lynched rather than the one you think is the scummiest? At this point in the game?

I'm maing a note to myself to re-read this from about page 90 and check for any holes.

My first impression is that Trini is telling the truth, I'm less certain between Epitaph and betiko.

@Epitaph - by now you should be sure that betiko is scum - given that MoB "cleared" betiko

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Night 2:
Switched Swifte and Betiko:
Reasons for Swifte: He was the doctor, no clues about a watcher being in the game.
Reasons for Betiko: His chat and playstyle is kind of odd. Especially Day 1 he got a lot of scrutiny, and I believed that him and Rodion had a possible connection. He seemed to be fogging the game more than clearing the game. After Rodion flipped VT I didn't really know what to think about Betiko. If you want specific quotes that tripped my scumdar I can provide them. Just off the top of my head, he just asks a lot of questions where I thought his intention was to fog the game. He had questions about there being an SK in the game, he threw around the idea of a poisoner. He went after me at weird points of the game, and I thought it was a deflection off Rodion.

This clears Betiko, because the mafia attemped to kill him N2.

it should also be clear that MoB is also scum.

@MeDeFe - re-reading from about page 90/91 is a good idea but bear this in mind as well please while re-reading.

you should now be convinced that PCM is scum - given that MoB "cleared" pcm

Night 1:
Switched Swifte and SG7 -

This clears PCM, because Jim tried to investigate Swifte, he actually investigated SG7.

It should now be clear to you as well that MoB is scum. Also remember that I have listed lots of other reasons why MoB is scum.

I'm going to to back to my list -

jim - claim: Mayor - Cop
dazza - claim: Behemoth VT
Leitz - claim: Sally - one way Lover

trinicardinal - claim: Skeletal Reindeer - Busdriver
MeDeFe - no claim but was targeted by mafia N2

Epitaph - claim: Igor - backup doctor
chapcrap - claim: VT (no name stated)



people I believe are mafia based on reactions to date
pcm - no claim but I'd say he outed himself with his "reason for his vote on Epitaph.
betiko - claim: Igor - Town Inventor

MoB - claim: Skeletal Reindeer - Busdriver (I am 100% sure its a fake claim and he is mafia)

Also please look at the votes on Epitaph (you'll notice I've coloured specific names in red)-

Vote Count

MeDeFe(1)- chap
Mob(2)- trini, dazza
Epitaph(3)-betiko, leitz, MoB
betiko(1)- epitaph


With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

and PCM later added his vote to Epitaph.

Let's go back to the lynches and you'll notice that Mob AND betiko were in the final tally for every town lnych so far.

Vote Count

Leitz
MoB Deadly
Rodion
jimfinn
shieldgenerator7
jonty125
dazza2008
trinicardinal
Swifte
drunkmonkey
BGtheBrain (9)- strike, jonty, Rodion, MeDeFe, Swifte, betiko, chap, MoB, BG
Epitaph1
betiko (1) - Leitz
MeDeFe
chapcrap
strike wolf

BG has been lynched! Scene coming up.

Vote Count

Rodion (8)- strike, jonty, Mob, betiko, epitaph, Leitz, Dazza, chap
strike(1)- Rodion


Rodion has been lynched, scene coming up.

Apologies for the late scene, I was watching Sherlock Holmes last night (awesome) and my internet went out.

Vote Count

leitz (1)- dazza
dazza(3)- PCM, leitz, jonty
jonty(7)- strike, betiko, chap, trini, MeDeFe, MoB, dazza

jonty has been lynched. Sorry for the delay, was celebrating Chinese New Year.

@ Leitz and jim - I'd love to hear the two of you weigh in some more if possible. How do you feel about the cases now jim?

your thing about votes is pure skimming. chap jonty, rodion, strike have always voted for the linched guy when they had the chance. Whereas you never wanted to get involved to vote; you gave it time each time. it's like reverse band waggoning; trying not to get involved and looking everything from your chrystal tower. you did vote for jonty though; as you are a very good player you knew that you had to vary your game and that not voting for the band wagon on the 2 first days made voting on the 3rd day as the most intelligent play. I got to say all your strategy is very smart, I won't deny that and I will definitely learn from you.

Riiiiight Rodion got to vote once - that's a wonderful trend - strike started the voting on all of those because he figured something was not right. We know he was town.
jonty voted for the lynch twice - another nice trend... chap well that's another one to consider.

[Epitaph1]

Well, chap voted for me and that's pretty much the kiss of death. He's been 0-3 so far (or should I say 3 for 3?).

This is hilarious and maddening at the same time. The impetus for this bandwagon on me began on deductive reasoning based on a false assumption. That assumption at the time was that everyone who had claimed to that point was telling the truth, thus leaving us with our current list of suspects. While I do think a majority of the mafia was on that list (mainly betiko, MoB, and most likely PCM), the chance of all 4 (and yes, there has to be 4 given the flavor) being included on that list is dubious at best.

I claim to narrow the list even further and get counter-claimed by the most ridiculous fake I've ever heard. Igor the Inventor?! How come every other claim and character reveal we've seen makes sense to the extent that a game of mafia can and then we get Igor the Inventor? I shouldn't even have to respond to such a counterclaim but instead betiko gets 4 other votes so I am forced to!

The only thing I could be sure of before betiko's claim was that either MoB or Trini had to be mafia. Now, not only do I know that betiko is mafia, I also am about as close to sure as possible that MoB is as well.

I'm not sure why I'm not dead yet other than the notion that all 4 mafia have already voted for me, thus neglecting their hammer, or that someone is asleep at the wheel.

gg if this my last post. It was fun and I liked the theme a lot, Saf.

[trinicardinal]

Well, chap voted for me and that's pretty much the kiss of death. He's been 0-3 so far (or should I say 3 for 3?).

This is hilarious and maddening at the same time. The impetus for this bandwagon on me began on deductive reasoning based on a false assumption. That assumption at the time was that everyone who had claimed to that point was telling the truth, thus leaving us with our current list of suspects. While I do think a majority of the mafia was on that list (mainly betiko, MoB, and most likely PCM), the chance of all 4 (and yes, there has to be 4 given the flavor) being included on that list is dubious at best.

I claim to narrow the list even further and get counter-claimed by the most ridiculous fake I've ever heard. Igor the Inventor?! How come every other claim and character reveal we've seen makes sense to the extent that a game of mafia can and then we get Igor the Inventor? I shouldn't even have to respond to such a counterclaim but instead betiko gets 4 other votes so I am forced to!

The only thing I could be sure of before betiko's claim was that either MoB or Trini had to be mafia. Now, not only do I know that betiko is mafia, I also am about as close to sure as possible that MoB is as well.

- and jim has also seen that betiko is scum.

I'm not sure why I'm not dead yet other than the notion that all 4 mafia have already voted for me, thus neglecting their hammer, or that someone is asleep at the wheel.

gg if this my last post. It was fun and I liked the theme a lot, Saf.

Yeah - think about it - betiko will get the support of his mafia buddies - so betiko, MoB, PCM all vote for you - then you have chap who is showing more and more scum tells now and Leitz - Leitz is possibly the only one who might unvote from you cos the mafia are desperate to lynch a townie at this point.

if you guys want to play safe and keep me MoB alive that's fine - I've shown you that betiko has obviously fakeclaimed - I've shown you where the "inventions' came from so its also obvious that he is scum. In that case -

Unvote, Vote betiko


To summarise -

we have 2 sets of claims

1 busdriver claimed by myself and MoB - 1 of us is lying - I've shown where that has to be MoB

Igor - Backup doctor - claimed by Epitaph
Igor - Town Inventor - claimed by betiko - I've shown where this is a laughable fake-claim which means that Epitaph is much more likely to be telling the truth. Add to that the votes for Epitaph are coming from people that I have shown to be mafia and it should be clear the need to lynch betiko.

You decide.

[chapcrap]

unvote

I'm not sure what to think right now. Either side of you could be scum. I need MeDeFe and especially jim to be active in this.

Can we replace them already? Neither one is even trying.

[dazza2008]

There is a lot of risk in going for 1 of the counter claimed roles.

I very much believe trini over MoB but understand why it is risky.

Not sure who to believe in the Igor claim though. What about lynching pancake since we are more sure that he is scum?

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

Mob(2)- dazza
Epitaph(4)-betiko, leitz, MoB, PCM,
betiko(3)- epitaph, jim, trini


With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.


I won't replace anyone due to a perceived lack of effort. Replacements will come on an activity basis.

[Leitz]

Just letting you know I've been following up as much as I can. I've got a free day tomorrow so there will be more from me then!

[chapcrap]

I won't replace anyone due to a perceived lack of effort. Replacements will come on an activity basis.

jim has averaged 1 post in this thread a week since the beginning of January and MeDeFe has posted once in the past 12 days. And in MeDeFe's one post he said he didn't have a lot of time.

How inactive do you need to be? Because that counts as active, I'll be back to this thread in March. See ya later.

[safariguy5]

I won't replace anyone due to a perceived lack of effort. Replacements will come on an activity basis.

jim has averaged 1 post in this thread a week since the beginning of January and MeDeFe has posted once in the past 12 days. And in MeDeFe's one post he said he didn't have a lot of time.

How inactive do you need to be? Because that counts as active, I'll be back to this thread in March. See ya later.

Also, I have no replacements currently. I did put a call out in the replacements thread, but no luck so far.

[Rodion]

If I'm eligible, I'd gladly replace Jim!

[trinicardinal]

We really do need some more activity from people. This is a crucial day and everyone is needed. MeDeFe is also key to the discussion....lol I'd love for Rodion to replace one of the players - at least we know he is very active...lol