Matrix Mafia Endgame, Town and Survivors win!

[vodean]

Now that that's all solved, time for Saf to either post the lynch scene (I don't think mafia would hammer themselves) so I think someone should just 'unvote' for now. It won't effect the case because if he's lying he's already lynched, if not he's brought back down to L-2 at least.

thats a good call. unvote

However, you are correct. But I am not a hider. I'm a priest.

im sorry, i just misread that post... i thought it was a typo.

I don't see what you could have misread or what could have been a typo. What did you think it said?

i was probably reading it at like 2 in the morning and all the posts looked a little like jibberish. since that one was, i feel a little justified.
NOTE: the jibberish in this case refers only to the names.

looking back over the posts, it still only barely makes sense, but i get it.

[jak111]

Now that that's all solved, time for Saf to either post the lynch scene (I don't think mafia would hammer themselves) so I think someone should just 'unvote' for now. It won't effect the case because if he's lying he's already lynched, if not he's brought back down to L-2 at least.

thats a good call. unvote

However, you are correct. But I am not a hider. I'm a priest.

im sorry, i just misread that post... i thought it was a typo.

I don't see what you could have misread or what could have been a typo. What did you think it said?

Another thing I wish to bring up about that post since people's eyes are actually looking at it.

Vodean says he/she thought it was a typo. But what is a typo? I'd define it as missing a letter or even an entire word in your keyboard because either it didn't pick up your typing or your hands were moving too quick to notice it and correct yourself. I wouldn't define "However, you are correct. But I am not a hider. I'm a priest." as a typo. It seems pretty clear to MOST people (except Vodean and Clever) that Everywhere said what he wanted to say.

That's like a murderer telling the police "Oh yea, I killed that guy" and as they put him in handcuffs he says "Oops, my bad, that was said wrong, I didn't kill him".

Seriously. You two would be bad cops in real life if you let a witnesses statement slide by without even noticing that he stated that he saw the killer and you didn't even bother listen to who it was.

For that, FOS Vodean, FOS Clever. You two are tripping up horribly in this game and I am beginning to wonder if you're trying to throw each other under the bus to survive or you two are literally just skipping things because of 'inexperience'. Which you seem to have enough experience to call others out on things to try and weasel yourselves out of this.

Fastposted.

[Iron Butterfly]

And Jak..by you playing Hall monitor you now make it difficult for people to speak their thoughts and change their minds.

If I decided I wanted to change my vote to Everywhere it would now appear I was bandwagoning and trying to "appear" town by hopping to the popular case.

Speak your thoughts IB, you still haven't spoken them since I called you out on not posting. You could change your vote if you wanted to, but this I am seeing as extremely scummy play.

Pretty much what I'm reading from you is that you wish to not post unless you can 'seem' town doing so. Apparently calling you out to post when you said you'd be active is destructing your train of thought? On a further note, you're twisting my words and saying that I said for you to vote. I don't need you to vote, but I do need you to be active on your thoughts in the game. You're flying below the radar unnoticed and you contribute next to nothing. You're definitely no VT if you're being that careful about game play.

How are we to read your style this game and question whether you're town or scum if you do not post?

Also, I just want to point out a thing that REALLY bothers be of that... "to speak their thoughts and change their minds". Really? Calling you out when you haven't been speaking your thoughts is stopping you from doing so? Why do you think we care if you change your mind? Everyone has their mind changed, but they continue being active, contributing, and giving their own ideas.

For the above reasons and to get you to speak instead of continuing to (admittedly) submarine in the game VOTE IRON BUTTERFLY

Everywhere is also on my list of late, but we'll see how his full claim goes.

Fasposted, give him a chance to claim.

You are a bonifide control freak in my book. I realize you are secure in the knowledge folks wont lynch you because of your claim, but why would you split the vote once again? If you want to build a case against me feel free...but why now when we are having a hard enough time? You can WIFOM me all ya want...and if I piss ya off all the better.

While I believe there is a strong case against everywhere I still stand by my vote on clever. He states "I did not know IB was in game" yet I was one of the votes on him and continue to hold it.

...and you can no longer monitor if I am online.

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

clever(5)- leehar, vodean, ghostly, IB, jonty
vodean(2)- mob, everywhere
shield(3)- betiko, hippo, chuck
everywhere(8)- sound, edoc, shield, neb, dj, hippo, jonty, aage
aage(1)- doom
IB(1)- jak

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

[aage]

Vote Count

clever(5)- leehar, vodean, ghostly, IB, jonty
vodean(2)- mob, everywhere
shield(3)- betiko, hippo, chuck
everywhere(8)- sound, edoc, shield, neb, dj, hippo, jonty, aage
aage(1)- doom
IB(1)- jak

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Technically he did unvote.


I guess this means the claim is legit.

I am inclined to agree with Iron Butterfly about Jak's attitude towards the game, I don't really like people who try to dictate players what to do, but on the other hand, he's a claimed power role so that does give him a lot of leverage. I guess it just means you don't like his play style, but there isn't really that much you can do about it :p

[Nebuchadnezer]

unvote vote CLEVER

He has been playing badly, in my mind. Vodean has as well, but clever trips my radar more.

[jak111]

Vote Count

clever(5)- leehar, vodean, ghostly, IB, jonty
vodean(2)- mob, everywhere
shield(3)- betiko, hippo, chuck
everywhere(8)- sound, edoc, shield, neb, dj, hippo, jonty, aage
aage(1)- doom
IB(1)- jak

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Technically he did unvote.


I guess this means the claim is legit.

I am inclined to agree with Iron Butterfly about Jak's attitude towards the game, I don't really like people who try to dictate players what to do, but on the other hand, he's a claimed power role so that does give him a lot of leverage. I guess it just means you don't like his play style, but there isn't really that much you can do about it :p

Meh, I just don't like people flying under the radar. This is one of the games where I've been in that has had the most inactive players.

So IB, I am a control freak because I'm voting for someone who's general inactive in my eyes? Really? I guess you'd be a control freak for voting Clever because of the statements he makes under that logic, correct? At this point flying under the radar is not helpful or beneficial to town so if you really believe you have nothing to say then what are your opinions on any 3 of the following?

~ The case on Clever. Is it a legit case or something someone pulled out of their ass? Why?

~ The case on Vodean. Is it a legit case or something someone pulled out of their ass? Why?

~ Doom and my claims. Are the believable or do you think there's a possibility of a fake claim in there?

~ Inactives. Do you believe inactives should be allowed to fly under the radar? Why?

~ Scum list. Who is your top 3 scummies for the day? Why?

So if you truly feel you have nothing to contribute, take a look into answering a few of the questions there. It's not even your inactivity that's bugging me so much as it is the fact that when you do come in it's to say you don't have much to add, a vote, or getting mad at others calling you out on things. This is Mafia, of course you're going to be picked on once in a while. Are you really that unused to being picked apart?

[thechuck51]

Vote Count

clever(5)- leehar, vodean, ghostly, IB, jonty
vodean(2)- mob, everywhere
shield(3)- betiko, hippo, chuck
everywhere(8)- sound, edoc, shield, neb, dj, hippo, jonty, aage
aage(1)- doom
IB(1)- jak

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Hippo and I both unvoted and voted eveywhere and aage's vote should have put him at L-1. Everywhere then voted for himself.

Saf can you confirm that everywhere's vote for himself was not counted??

Also, after pmc unvoted, I did as well

[aage]

So IB, I am a control freak because I'm voting for someone who's general inactive in my eyes?

I'm pretty sure he said you were a control freak for checking the "users viewing this forum"-list and demanding posts, but I could be wrong.

S7C did say something useful the other day about asking too many roleclaims. I am inclined to agree with that, so far it is getting us nowhere except towards a sea of VT's.


Also, in my previous post I said something about unvoting. I was aiming at Everywhere, his vote was still on Vodean. I made it bold print but it's a bit hard to make out in that post.

[thechuck51]

Saf, could you prod Leehar and ghostly?

ghostly's last post was on May 24th and Leehar's was May 19th

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Now that that's all solved, time for Saf to either post the lynch scene (I don't think mafia would hammer themselves) so I think someone should just 'unvote' for now. It won't effect the case because if he's lying he's already lynched, if not he's brought back down to L-2 at least.

thats a good call. unvote

However, you are correct. But I am not a hider. I'm a priest.

im sorry, i just misread that post... i thought it was a typo.

I don't see what you could have misread or what could have been a typo. What did you think it said?

Another thing I wish to bring up about that post since people's eyes are actually looking at it.

Vodean says he/she thought it was a typo. But what is a typo? I'd define it as missing a letter or even an entire word in your keyboard because either it didn't pick up your typing or your hands were moving too quick to notice it and correct yourself. I wouldn't define "However, you are correct. But I am not a hider. I'm a priest." as a typo. It seems pretty clear to MOST people (except Vodean and Clever) that Everywhere said what he wanted to say.

That's like a murderer telling the police "Oh yea, I killed that guy" and as they put him in handcuffs he says "Oops, my bad, that was said wrong, I didn't kill him".

Seriously. You two would be bad cops in real life if you let a witnesses statement slide by without even noticing that he stated that he saw the killer and you didn't even bother listen to who it was.

For that, FOS Vodean, FOS Clever. You two are tripping up horribly in this game and I am beginning to wonder if you're trying to throw each other under the bus to survive or you two are literally just skipping things because of 'inexperience'. Which you seem to have enough experience to call others out on things to try and weasel yourselves out of this.

Fastposted.

i misread for like literally two minutes i thought he just said i am priest cause he didnt say a name or anything that is what i missed but i found it by rereading. and where did i ever say it was a typo. i admitted to reading it wrong. i went and reread and now it makes sense so sorry.

[aage]

Vodean says he/she thought it was a typo. But what is a typo? I'd define it as missing a letter or even an entire word in your keyboard because either it didn't pick up your typing or your hands were moving too quick to notice it and correct yourself. I wouldn't define "However, you are correct. But I am not a hider. I'm a priest." as a typo. It seems pretty clear to MOST people (except Vodean and Clever) that Everywhere said what he wanted to say.

That's like a murderer telling the police "Oh yea, I killed that guy" and as they put him in handcuffs he says "Oops, my bad, that was said wrong, I didn't kill him".

Seriously. You two would be bad cops in real life if you let a witnesses statement slide by without even noticing that he stated that he saw the killer and you didn't even bother listen to who it was.

For that, FOS Vodean, FOS Clever. You two are tripping up horribly in this game and I am beginning to wonder if you're trying to throw each other under the bus to survive or you two are literally just skipping things because of 'inexperience'. Which you seem to have enough experience to call others out on things to try and weasel yourselves out of this.

Fastposted.

i misread for like literally two minutes i thought he just said i am priest cause he didnt say a name or anything that is what i missed but i found it by rereading. and where did i ever say it was a typo. i admitted to reading it wrong. i went and reread and now it makes sense so sorry.

He wasn't talking about you... Look:

im sorry, i just misread that post... i thought it was a typo.

It's remarkable how quickly you jump to your defense, and even respond to arguments that do not apply to you (because they were not aimed towards you). I suppose it's the 'inexperience'...

Also I'm guessing Vodean isn't a native speaker or is unfamiliar with internet slang... And either way, pinning him down on lacking vocab, and poorly explaining exactly why he misread something, is in my opinion getting away from the game. We might as well lynch all dyslectics right now.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

please look at his post again he fos me as well on the same thing he did vodean.

[aage]

please look at his post again he fos me as well on the same thing he did vodean.

Yes, he FoS'd you both on behaving like noobs. I guess you 'read it wrong' again?

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Vodean says he/she thought it was a typo. But what is a typo? I'd define it as missing a letter or even an entire word in your keyboard because either it didn't pick up your typing or your hands were moving too quick to notice it and correct yourself. I wouldn't define "However, you are correct. But I am not a hider. I'm a priest." as a typo. It seems pretty clear to MOST people (except Vodean and Clever) that Everywhere said what he wanted to say.

That's like a murderer telling the police "Oh yea, I killed that guy" and as they put him in handcuffs he says "Oops, my bad, that was said wrong, I didn't kill him".

Seriously. You two would be bad cops in real life if you let a witnesses statement slide by without even noticing that he stated that he saw the killer and you didn't even bother listen to who it was.

For that, FOS Vodean, FOS Clever. You two are tripping up horribly in this game and I am beginning to wonder if you're trying to throw each other under the bus to survive or you two are literally just skipping things because of 'inexperience'. Which you seem to have enough experience to call others out on things to try and weasel yourselves out of this.

Fastposted.

i misread for like literally two minutes i thought he just said i am priest cause he didnt say a name or anything that is what i missed but i found it by rereading. and where did i ever say it was a typo. i admitted to reading it wrong. i went and reread and now it makes sense so sorry.

He wasn't talking about you... Look:

im sorry, i just misread that post... i thought it was a typo.

It's remarkable how quickly you jump to your defense, and even respond to arguments that do not apply to you (because they were not aimed towards you). I suppose it's the 'inexperience'...

Also I'm guessing Vodean isn't a native speaker or is unfamiliar with internet slang... And either way, pinning him down on lacking vocab, and poorly explaining exactly why he misread something, is in my opinion getting away from the game. We might as well lynch all dyslectics right now.

this is what i was referring to

[Iron Butterfly]

So IB, I am a control freak because I'm voting for someone who's general inactive in my eyes?

I'm pretty sure he said you were a control freak for checking the "users viewing this forum"-list and demanding posts, but I could be wrong.

S7C did say something useful the other day about asking too many roleclaims. I am inclined to agree with that, so far it is getting us nowhere except towards a sea of VT's.


Also, in my previous post I said something about unvoting. I was aiming at Everywhere, his vote was still on Vodean. I made it bold print but it's a bit hard to make out in that post.

BINGO

In all the games he has done this. In one game he was lynched for to fake claiming a Ludicrous Town role when he was already a Townie. I don't put a lot of credence in his game strategy. I do believe him and Doom are masoned and who they say they are.

I don't want to spend the game butting heads with him but I wont march to his beat either.

[jak111]

So IB, I am a control freak because I'm voting for someone who's general inactive in my eyes?

I'm pretty sure he said you were a control freak for checking the "users viewing this forum"-list and demanding posts, but I could be wrong.

S7C did say something useful the other day about asking too many roleclaims. I am inclined to agree with that, so far it is getting us nowhere except towards a sea of VT's.


Also, in my previous post I said something about unvoting. I was aiming at Everywhere, his vote was still on Vodean. I made it bold print but it's a bit hard to make out in that post.

BINGO

In all the games he has done this. In one game he was lynched for to fake claiming a Ludicrous Town role when he was already a Townie. I don't put a lot of credence in his game strategy. I do believe him and Doom are masoned and who they say they are.

I don't want to spend the game butting heads with him but I wont march to his beat either.

Someone's a quick learner I'm not going to lie. My methods are.. questionable at best. But so far all I've been is town so I serve in the way I think I can help town whether or not it does is another story. My reputation isn't the best for when I need someone to help me with a plan but that doesn't stop me from trying to make one.

Onto Clever, Aage is correct. The thing you just highlighted can also refer to where Everywhere said "you are correct" referring to someone guessing his name and then him saying that he was correct. Then you ask who he is when he just said it.

Back to IB again. You still haven't gave 3 answers out of 5 questions asked. I might be able to say you answered one question and that is whether or not you believe Doom and my claims. But there are 2 out of 4 questions left to answer before I'm done with your level of activity for today.

Also, a question for your most recent statement (this does not count toward the 2 you still gotta give for me to back off you for today). This is the only game I have checked to see who's online and only because it was getting to me that you were slipping by so easily without posting a single thing of import to the game or even ideas and thoughts on cases brought up. You are losing my faith of being able to answer questions, but why do you change "checking the 'users viewing this forum'-list" to bringing up the fake claim I did in Skyrim to draw the mafia's attention for night time (which with the help of all the friendly people in that game turned out nicely).

Hmm, like not to sound rude but how does it effect my 'credence of game strategy' by making inactives post? You were called out on inactivity D1 IB, and have slipped under the radar ever since. Don't meta me, don't come up with excuses, and don't complain. Just simply answer the questions I've asked. Before you say anything aage, don't come to his rescue. If you want information don't let him stall time and answer some very simplistic questions that are asked when he's recently said he doesn't have much to add to the game. If that is true, then I guess this isn't much and we can all move on when he answers them.

Note to aage: I'm aggressive as hell when it comes to being a townie. I'll defend those who actually contribute or are proven to be fellow townies, but at the same time I'll tear apart anyone who decides that they can get away with things. I'm not a huge fan of others trying to get people out of my cases unquestioned but it's not a scummy move, although I'd appreciate you giving me some space to do my questioning without being interrupted and stalled. I know my methods aren't the best, but they provide results when given the chance.

[aage]

Note to aage: I'm aggressive as hell when it comes to being a townie. I'll defend those who actually contribute or are proven to be fellow townies, but at the same time I'll tear apart anyone who decides that they can get away with things. I'm not a huge fan of others trying to get people out of my cases unquestioned but it's not a scummy move, although I'd appreciate you giving me some space to do my questioning without being interrupted and stalled. I know my methods aren't the best, but they provide results when given the chance.

I'd be happy to provide that space. The question you asked IB about control freaks was just a misread, or so I presumed. It seems strange to respond to an accusation by defending against an argument that wasn't even given. Much like S7C's typo-case, actually.
I don't mind anyone questioning people... just so long as the questions are sensible and useful, and have not yet been answered already. I also hope that you realise that you're not the only player in this game; in that respect, IB might have a point about the control-freak thing. Don't let me stop you, just let me play along

[vodean]

We might as well lynch all dyslectics right now.

*dyslexics.
i am a native english speaker, but i am not always great when im tired. this week has been strange, lots of partying and such, and i have been a little less attentive at times. sorry if that bothers you.

as for ghostly, he is having computer troubles atm and asked for a replacement in my game (but proceeded to immediately start posting a little after that).

i move that we pressure jonty now. yes, we dont want to expose all the power roles, but we are running out of VTs. He is tripping people's scumdars. we can either pressure him or re-examine claimed VTs. again, im not gonna vote him atm, because my vote is staying on S7C a while

[thehippo8]

Hey Saf, you never answered Chuck ... did my vote on everywhere count or did you still have me on shield? That is, can you confirm that Everywhere did not lynch himself? Things are a bit up in the air at the mo!

[jak111]

Note to aage: I'm aggressive as hell when it comes to being a townie. I'll defend those who actually contribute or are proven to be fellow townies, but at the same time I'll tear apart anyone who decides that they can get away with things. I'm not a huge fan of others trying to get people out of my cases unquestioned but it's not a scummy move, although I'd appreciate you giving me some space to do my questioning without being interrupted and stalled. I know my methods aren't the best, but they provide results when given the chance.

I'd be happy to provide that space. The question you asked IB about control freaks was just a misread, or so I presumed. It seems strange to respond to an accusation by defending against an argument that wasn't even given. Much like S7C's typo-case, actually.
I don't mind anyone questioning people... just so long as the questions are sensible and useful, and have not yet been answered already. I also hope that you realise that you're not the only player in this game; in that respect, IB might have a point about the control-freak thing. Don't let me stop you, just let me play along

Fair enough. Though I'm not trying to sound defensive, actually I'm trying to be the aggressive one. We have too many defensives in the game for me to want to be one. I hope my post wasn't taken off to be rude or anything because I don't care what happens around the case. But try to not supply him with answers and excuses. That's when townies start helping scum without meaning to. (Not saying IB is scum 100% but I'm not going to risk him being scum and being helped out soo easily when he's dug himself a perfect little hole to get at him a bit).

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Note to aage: I'm aggressive as hell when it comes to being a townie. I'll defend those who actually contribute or are proven to be fellow townies, but at the same time I'll tear apart anyone who decides that they can get away with things. I'm not a huge fan of others trying to get people out of my cases unquestioned but it's not a scummy move, although I'd appreciate you giving me some space to do my questioning without being interrupted and stalled. I know my methods aren't the best, but they provide results when given the chance.

I'd be happy to provide that space. The question you asked IB about control freaks was just a misread, or so I presumed. It seems strange to respond to an accusation by defending against an argument that wasn't even given. Much like S7C's typo-case, actually.
I don't mind anyone questioning people... just so long as the questions are sensible and useful, and have not yet been answered already. I also hope that you realise that you're not the only player in this game; in that respect, IB might have a point about the control-freak thing. Don't let me stop you, just let me play along

Fair enough. Though I'm not trying to sound defensive, actually I'm trying to be the aggressive one. We have too many defensives in the game for me to want to be one. I hope my post wasn't taken off to be rude or anything because I don't care what happens around the case. But try to not supply him with answers and excuses. That's when townies start helping scum without meaning to. (Not saying IB is scum 100% but I'm not going to risk him being scum and being helped out soo easily when he's dug himself a perfect little hole to get at him a bit).

actually i am gonna agree with jak on this. i dont mean to play defensive sometimes but sometimes i play agressive and it usually ends in me dieing so i stay away from it but i have never actually looked at it like this.

[vodean]

Note to aage: I'm aggressive as hell when it comes to being a townie. I'll defend those who actually contribute or are proven to be fellow townies, but at the same time I'll tear apart anyone who decides that they can get away with things. I'm not a huge fan of others trying to get people out of my cases unquestioned but it's not a scummy move, although I'd appreciate you giving me some space to do my questioning without being interrupted and stalled. I know my methods aren't the best, but they provide results when given the chance.

I'd be happy to provide that space. The question you asked IB about control freaks was just a misread, or so I presumed. It seems strange to respond to an accusation by defending against an argument that wasn't even given. Much like S7C's typo-case, actually.
I don't mind anyone questioning people... just so long as the questions are sensible and useful, and have not yet been answered already. I also hope that you realise that you're not the only player in this game; in that respect, IB might have a point about the control-freak thing. Don't let me stop you, just let me play along

Fair enough. Though I'm not trying to sound defensive, actually I'm trying to be the aggressive one. We have too many defensives in the game for me to want to be one. I hope my post wasn't taken off to be rude or anything because I don't care what happens around the case. But try to not supply him with answers and excuses. That's when townies start helping scum without meaning to. (Not saying IB is scum 100% but I'm not going to risk him being scum and being helped out soo easily when he's dug himself a perfect little hole to get at him a bit).

when anyone other than trinity and neo play like that, they get a BW on them... id say that you are playing the same way you are accusing me of playing, and then saying that only i should be pressured.

[DoomYoshi]

Please don't confuse my play style with jak's. We butt heads frequently.

[thechuck51]

i move that we pressure jonty now. yes, we dont want to expose all the power roles, but we are running out of VTs. He is tripping people's scumdars. we can either pressure him or re-examine claimed VTs. again, im not gonna vote him atm, because my vote is staying on S7C a while

Overall between you and clever it's like six of one, a half dozen of the other as to who would be a better lynch but if you want jonty pressured you should be willing to do it yourself. Don't expect others to lead the way for you.

Vote vodean