Two Sides Mafia: Side A, Endgame, The Old Ways

[drunkmonkey]

Instead of quoting the very long post, I will just respond to Rodion's question. There was no 180 flip, as I was saying I supported Rodion's idea, but that it was scummy for bringing it up AT THIS TIME. I even said that it is a lost cause now, but it would be good later on. All this deal has done is make confusion and waste time. Is it not the mafia's intent to cause confusion? Is that what this plan has done?

I'm sorry, but that's not at all what you said. The quotes are right there for everyone to see. You said you support it, but you don't think mafia would take it. Then you later said he was scummy for bringing the idea up. This seems like a comment that was made not to express how you feel on the topic, but to keep the bandwagon going. I'm also noting how clever jumped to your defense on this before you got a chance to.

fastposted x2 - your post-defense exchange doesn't change my opinion

[Some7hingCLEVER]

well thanks new guy you made my post defending you worthless lol
ok so i can kinda hope were all over this whole town/mafia deal ...for now
and we cant start hunting for scum the old fashioned way

An innocent person doesnt need someone to speak for them . And thanks for adding substance in that post, real helpful .

Sarcasm?

[shieldgenerator7]

Instead of quoting the very long post, I will just respond to Rodion's question. There was no 180 flip, as I was saying I supported Rodion's idea, but that it was scummy for bringing it up AT THIS TIME. I even said that it is a lost cause now, but it would be good later on. All this deal has done is make confusion and waste time. Is it not the mafia's intent to cause confusion? Is that what this plan has done?

I'm sorry, but that's not at all what you said. The quotes are right there for everyone to see. You said you support it, but you don't think mafia would take it. Then you later said he was scummy for bringing the idea up. This seems like a comment that was made not to express how you feel on the topic, but to keep the bandwagon going. I'm also noting how clever jumped to your defense on this before you got a chance to.

fastposted x2 - your post-defense exchange doesn't change my opinion

are you suggesting S7C and NG1 are scum buddies?

[drunkmonkey]

Instead of quoting the very long post, I will just respond to Rodion's question. There was no 180 flip, as I was saying I supported Rodion's idea, but that it was scummy for bringing it up AT THIS TIME. I even said that it is a lost cause now, but it would be good later on. All this deal has done is make confusion and waste time. Is it not the mafia's intent to cause confusion? Is that what this plan has done?

I'm sorry, but that's not at all what you said. The quotes are right there for everyone to see. You said you support it, but you don't think mafia would take it. Then you later said he was scummy for bringing the idea up. This seems like a comment that was made not to express how you feel on the topic, but to keep the bandwagon going. I'm also noting how clever jumped to your defense on this before you got a chance to.

fastposted x2 - your post-defense exchange doesn't change my opinion

are you suggesting S7C and NG1 are scum buddies?

I'm suggesting the defense of one another is worth noting. If one flips, it shouldn't be ignored.

[new guy1]

Instead of quoting the very long post, I will just respond to Rodion's question. There was no 180 flip, as I was saying I supported Rodion's idea, but that it was scummy for bringing it up AT THIS TIME. I even said that it is a lost cause now, but it would be good later on. All this deal has done is make confusion and waste time. Is it not the mafia's intent to cause confusion? Is that what this plan has done?

I'm sorry, but that's not at all what you said. The quotes are right there for everyone to see. You said you support it, but you don't think mafia would take it. Then you later said he was scummy for bringing the idea up. This seems like a comment that was made not to express how you feel on the topic, but to keep the bandwagon going. I'm also noting how clever jumped to your defense on this before you got a chance to.

fastposted x2 - your post-defense exchange doesn't change my opinion

are you suggesting S7C and NG1 are scum buddies?

That is what hes suggesting. Dont tell me what I meant to say, DM. Just because I meant to say something doesnt always mean that it will go down on paper the same way I thought it. The idea is an okay one (takes the fun out of the game if the mafia just take the deal, I believe that was pretty much my first post), but not at this time. Therefore, I believe Rodion to be scummiest (although I dont feel any extreme vibes from anyone... yes I also said that, incase you failed to notice that) for bringing it up right now. Dont know how I could say it otherwise. I have to go in about 15 minutes so I will check it before I leave.

Fastposted

[drunkmonkey]

Instead of quoting the very long post, I will just respond to Rodion's question. There was no 180 flip, as I was saying I supported Rodion's idea, but that it was scummy for bringing it up AT THIS TIME. I even said that it is a lost cause now, but it would be good later on. All this deal has done is make confusion and waste time. Is it not the mafia's intent to cause confusion? Is that what this plan has done?

I'm sorry, but that's not at all what you said. The quotes are right there for everyone to see. You said you support it, but you don't think mafia would take it. Then you later said he was scummy for bringing the idea up. This seems like a comment that was made not to express how you feel on the topic, but to keep the bandwagon going. I'm also noting how clever jumped to your defense on this before you got a chance to.

fastposted x2 - your post-defense exchange doesn't change my opinion

are you suggesting S7C and NG1 are scum buddies?

That is what hes suggesting. Dont tell me what I meant to say, DM. Just because I meant to say something doesnt always mean that it will go down on paper the same way I thought it. The idea is an okay one (takes the fun out of the game if the mafia just take the deal, I believe that was pretty much my first post), but not at this time. Therefore, I believe Rodion to be scummiest (although I dont feel any extreme vibes from anyone... yes I also said that, incase you failed to notice that) for bringing it up right now. Dont know how I could say it otherwise. I have to go in about 15 minutes so I will check it before I leave.

Fastposted

I never told you what you meant to say; I told you what you did say. It wasn't until after Rodion called you out on it that you started putting an emphasis on when he brought up the idea. I'm also confused on why bringing up the idea earlier than you would like makes him scummy.

I am almost certain there is scum on Rodion's bandwagon right now. The reasons behind the votes don't seem, well, reasonable. I keep seeing "he's not being upfront", "it takes the fun out of the game", or "this isn't the time for it". None of these explain why a mafia member would tell other mafia members to confess, while telling townies to do nothing other than say they're not scum. You don't just lynch someone because you think they have a bad idea.

Rodion; 4 votes: PCM, VS, jonty, CMS

newguy hasn't cast a vote, but he's supporting the cause. Do each of these five people actually think Rodion's plan was devised to help mafia win, or is at least one of them just along for the ride?

[jonty125]

My position on Rodion hasn't changed. FOS shield for his post on the top of Page 8 I think.

[shieldgenerator7]

My position on Rodion hasn't changed. FOS shield for his post on the top of Page 8 I think.

OMGUS FOS JONTY for not being clear about the reasoning behind his FOS.

[jonty125]

My position on Rodion hasn't changed. FOS shield for his post on the top of Page 8 I think.

OMGUS FOS JONTY for not being clear about the reasoning behind his FOS.

Top of Page 9, your assuming that only Rodion & CMS will get lynched and also the comment about it coming to a grudge match - not helping town at all.

[Rodion]

Monkey, can you go back to page 6 and read the discussion between Jonty and I? He missed the point in epic proportions and I already gave up on trying to explain things to him, but perhaps you could?

Instead of quoting the very long post, I will just respond to Rodion's question. There was no 180 flip, as I was saying I supported Rodion's idea, but that it was scummy for bringing it up AT THIS TIME. I even said that it is a lost cause now, but it would be good later on. All this deal has done is make confusion and waste time. Is it not the mafia's intent to cause confusion? Is that what this plan has done?

So, bringing the idea later on is pro-town, but bringing it now is anti-town? Is that what you meant to say?

I can agree that it generated confusion (it did not waste time - we are getting valuable information on everyone who is posting), but honestly I can easily blame all the confusion on everyone else for having a much lower IQ than what I hoped you'd have. Sucks that I have to say that as it doesn't help me make friends, but it's the truth.

(takes the fun out of the game if the mafia just take the deal, I believe that was pretty much my first post)

That's what PCM said in one of his many posts. You never said that until now. Can you explain this one, Something Clever?

[safariguy5]

I feel like this game is turning into a game of two player pools. On one side, you have the people who are discussing the plan and it's ramifications, and on the other side you have people who either just pick a side and go with it or don't really post anything at all. It's like the adults and the kiddies table at family gatherings.

I will say (again) that I'm not against striking deals (worked out fine in Romeo and Juliet) to get wins, but I don't think that deals offered on Day 1 are going to guarantee success. Even if a T/M player were to admit being mafia in one and town in the other at this point, there's no gurantee he's going to win the game that he's town. No plan that doesn't offer a reasonable chance at success is going to be seriously considered.

[new guy1]

[quote="safariguy5"]I feel like this game is turning into a game of two player pools. On one side, you have the people who are discussing the plan and it's ramifications, and on the other side you have people who either just pick a side and go with it or don't really post anything at all. It's like the adults and the kiddies table at family gatherings.

I will say (again) that I'm not against striking deals (worked out fine in Romeo and Juliet) to get wins, but I don't think that deals offered on Day 1 are going to guarantee success. Even if a T/M player were to admit being mafia in one and town in the other at this point, there's no gurantee he's going to win the game that he's town. No plan that doesn't offer a reasonable chance at success is going to be seriously considered.[/quote]

This. This is why it is bad to offer it now, more in depth to follow.

I believe for one (answering rodion's Q directed towards CLEVER) it takes the fun out of the game because if everyone just fessed up so that they could win a game, its just like a mass claim. We arent doing snooping or anything fun, its just them telling their roles and town winning.

Now, for the emphasis on the point safari made. I believe that this deal is pro town LATER in the game because the mafia may be more desperate later on and might actually take this idea to possibly secure one game. Right now there is absolutly no reason to take this deal (that I can see). If someone takes the deal now, then there is a slim chance they will win the game they are town in. However, if they take the deal when there are, say, 50% of the people left then that semi clears them in one game, giving up the other game in return, and will possibly allow them a better chance of living in their town game. I just got home from school, so if this does not read well, Im sorry, but you can just tell me and I will try to put it in simpler terms.

[Rodion]

I believe for one (answering rodion's Q directed towards CLEVER) it takes the fun out of the game because if everyone just fessed up so that they could win a game, its just like a mass claim. We arent doing snooping or anything fun, its just them telling their roles and town winning.

I did not ask Clever to explain why that takes the fun out of the game. I just pointed that it is weird that you said your first post mentioned that it took the fun while it did not (PCM said that, you didn't). Then I asked Clever to explain this on your behalf as a quick-witted way of showing I did not like him to answer something else for you (he had already done that once and I had already explained how I felt about people intervening and asking questions adressed to other players - check PCM and CMS5).

Motion to change the game's title to Misinterpret Rodion Mafia?

Now, for the emphasis on the point safari made. I believe that this deal is pro town LATER in the game because the mafia may be more desperate later on and might actually take this idea to possibly secure one game. Right now there is absolutly no reason to take this deal (that I can see). If someone takes the deal now, then there is a slim chance they will win the game they are town in. However, if they take the deal when there are, say, 50% of the people left then that semi clears them in one game, giving up the other game in return, and will possibly allow them a better chance of living in their town game. I just got home from school, so if this does not read well, Im sorry, but you can just tell me and I will try to put it in simpler terms.

This just goes back to my previous point of "why dissuase T/M players from confessing if you think it's bad for them? Just shut up and let them take it".

[edocsil]

Dude, that would have been waaay funnier if you didn't mention the title change.

[Victor Sullivan]

Yeah, dude.

-Substance

[shieldgenerator7]

Dude, that would have been waaay funnier if you didn't mention the title change.

Yeah, dude.

-Substance

What? I'm confused... why does not mentioning the title change make it funnier?

Anyway, BW, yeah the post would have been funnier if the title change wasn't addressed in the post itself.

-SG7 ( )

[edocsil]

Dude, that would have been waaay funnier if you didn't mention the title change.

Yeah, dude.

-Substance

What? I'm confused... why does not mentioning the title change make it funnier?

Anyway, BW, yeah the post would have been funnier if the title change wasn't addressed in the post itself.

-SG7 ( )

You have been dropped on your head too often man.

[Rodion]

How about some relevant discussion to go along with the jokes?

[shieldgenerator7]

How about some relevant discussion to go along with the jokes?

lshicastr! srsly I laughed so hard when I read the title. Sorry Rodion, I would unvote but I don't have my vote on you.
(BTW I did post relevant discussion in Side B)

[edocsil]

How about some relevant discussion to go along with the jokes?

Meh what else is there to say? I think we should lynch SG7, I have said why, so have others. You are up to something fishy, but I think the investigatives will sort you out one way or another, and I doubt you are Inv immune bad guy. Can't dodge a watcher/tracker either.

[drunkmonkey]

My position on Rodion hasn't changed. FOS shield for his post on the top of Page 8 I think.

Here are your first two posts supporting your vote:

vote Rodion. For instantly assuming there are no 3rd party players and asking some people effectively to give up one of the 2 games.

Take this scenario: I am town/mafia. I could say town/town and then suicide as town where I was town and if I came under pressure as mafia I could say, look I'm a truthful guy - I must be town.

So, your position seems to be that Rodion is scummy because:
1) His plan didn't allow for 3rd party players
2) He's asking some people (mafia) to give up one of the two games
3) You think somehow claiming T/T means you'll be cleared if you flip town in one game, which Rodion never said.

This is a very weak case, IMO. Did I miss anything?

[Some7hingCLEVER]

My position on Rodion hasn't changed. FOS shield for his post on the top of Page 8 I think.

Here are your first two posts supporting your vote:

vote Rodion. For instantly assuming there are no 3rd party players and asking some people effectively to give up one of the 2 games.

Take this scenario: I am town/mafia. I could say town/town and then suicide as town where I was town and if I came under pressure as mafia I could say, look I'm a truthful guy - I must be town.

So, your position seems to be that Rodion is scummy because:
1) His plan didn't allow for 3rd party players
2) He's asking some people (mafia) to give up one of the two games
3) You think somehow claiming T/T means you'll be cleared if you flip town in one game, which Rodion never said.

This is a very weak case, IMO. Did I miss anything?

sorry for being new so quick questiion? what IMO mean

[shieldgenerator7]

IMO = In My Opinion

Variations:

IMHO - In My Humble Opinion

#internetlingo

-SG7 ( )

[Some7hingCLEVER]

oooo that makes sense

[edocsil]

Was this so hard?