Joint Terror Task Force Mafia Day 3 - All is Well!

[Iron Butterfly]

LOL not a scum slip AT ALL IB, posting it that way was to catch scum posing as town,why jump so hard on it IB. You already said you know what I am doing(if I am town) I think you are real sure I am.

Why because,you already stated you know why I did it, and you still voted me. Scum tell maybe IB.

Second the first post of mine you quoted was the fact we need to find out whether or not NoS is really doc if possible and not drop the hunt for the truth. your diverting a line of questioning that may help town right now.Scum tell maybe IB.

Or are just role fishing me?

You are the one doing all the talking.

I simply stated the obvious.

1) you were role fishing. I believe if there is a busdriver they would have the common sense to save the DOC or maybe they choose not to because they are not sure if the DOC is Town or Not. The point is they do not need your nudge to claim. Role fishing is Scummy period. Especially this early in the game. If there is a Town bus driver and they are half way smart they will know when to claim.

2) You asked for "non-mafia" bus drivers. It raised my eyebrows because it was a very weird way to ask a simple question. Now your line of defense is to say, You wrote it that way on purpose to catch Town posing as scum the problem you have is that you admit you did it on purpose but your trap proves nothing as it is complete WIFOM.

You are saying your phrasing was on purpose. How does your trap prove someone is Town or Mafia?

Personally I think I caught you and you wrote before thinking because you know you made a slip.

[jgordon1111]

LOL not a scum slip AT ALL IB, posting it that way was to catch scum posing as town,why jump so hard on it IB. You already said you know what I am doing(if I am town) I think you are real sure I am.

Why because,you already stated you know why I did it, and you still voted me. Scum tell maybe IB.

Second the first post of mine you quoted was the fact we need to find out whether or not NoS is really doc if possible and not drop the hunt for the truth. your diverting a line of questioning that may help town right now.Scum tell maybe IB.

Or are just role fishing me?

You are the one doing all the talking.

I simply stated the obvious.

1) you were role fishing. I believe if there is a busdriver they would have the common sense to save the DOC or maybe they choose not to because they are not sure if the DOC is Town or Not. The point is they do not need your nudge to claim. Role fishing is Scummy period. Especially this early in the game. If there is a Town bus driver and they are half way smart they will know when to claim.

2) You asked for "non-mafia" bus drivers. It raised my eyebrows because it was a very weird way to ask a simple question. Now your line of defense is to say, You wrote it that way on purpose to catch Town posing as scum the problem you have is that you admit you did it on purpose but your trap proves nothing as it is complete WIFOM.

You are saying your phrasing was on purpose. How does your trap prove someone is Town or Mafia?

Personally I think I caught you and you wrote before thinking because you know you made a slip.

I was not role fishing at all IB, I am looking for someone who wants to lynch me by deviating from a line of questioning that will help town.

And you know as well as I do that to ask that question like that will bring responses.

Problem here is you just stated, I admit I did it on purpose(yes I did) then you turn around and contradict what you know by saying you caught me in a scum slip.

In actuality I am getting what I wanted. IB I am more than a little concerned at this point about you in fact. You know me I will trade you, everyone puts me at l2 real quick I will claim,then they turn around and do the same for you. Or would you like to go first? I will stand by my word on this,most that know me know I will.

[Iron Butterfly]

You have no where else to go with your word play. I've made my point.

Your argument boils down to "Only scum would question your line of questioning so I am scum" and you planned it that way.

"In actuality I am getting what I wanted. IB I am more than a little concerned at this point about you in fact. You know me I will trade you, everyone puts me at l2 real quick I will claim,then they turn around and do the same for you. Or would you like to go first? I will stand by my word on this,most that know me know I will."

Blah Blah Blah. Of course your concerned, you've passed the point of no return and have no recourse. Its not up to me for you to claim. All I can do is point out your BS..."Oh yeh I meant to do that". Now you want me to claim because I have put pressure on you

[jgordon1111]

You have no where else to go with your word play. I've made my point.

Your argument boils down to "Only scum would question your line of questioning so I am scum" and you planned it that way.

"In actuality I am getting what I wanted. IB I am more than a little concerned at this point about you in fact. You know me I will trade you, everyone puts me at l2 real quick I will claim,then they turn around and do the same for you. Or would you like to go first? I will stand by my word on this,most that know me know I will."

Blah Blah Blah. Of course your concerned, you've passed the point of no return and have no recourse. Its not up to me for you to claim. All I can do is point out your BS..."Oh yeh I meant to do that". Now you want me to claim because I have put pressure on you

We have both passed the point of no return IB, I notice that you didnt mention you trying to derail a line of questioning that would be beneficial to town.

So what I read here is you are ok with my claim,yet you dont think you should because your actions actually seem more scummy than me trying to pull scum out of hiding.

If you were town you could have and should have backed down and not forced the issue.

You admit you knew why I stated it the way I did(if I was town)then you come on full tilt,when someone of your playing ability would have carefully considered it,and stopped. You didnt IB so I omgus you but dont vote you still trying to give you a hint and you come even harder. That means you went on the defensive hard Why?

[jgordon1111]

And as usual at least 10 hrs later and no one else has said anything,quit laying low step up and play the game.

[Iron Butterfly]

You have no where else to go with your word play. I've made my point.

Your argument boils down to "Only scum would question your line of questioning so I am scum" and you planned it that way.

"In actuality I am getting what I wanted. IB I am more than a little concerned at this point about you in fact. You know me I will trade you, everyone puts me at l2 real quick I will claim,then they turn around and do the same for you. Or would you like to go first? I will stand by my word on this,most that know me know I will."

Blah Blah Blah. Of course your concerned, you've passed the point of no return and have no recourse. Its not up to me for you to claim. All I can do is point out your BS..."Oh yeh I meant to do that". Now you want me to claim because I have put pressure on you

We have both passed the point of no return IB, I notice that you didnt mention you trying to derail a line of questioning that would be beneficial to town.

So what I read here is you are ok with my claim,yet you dont think you should because your actions actually seem more scummy than me trying to pull scum out of hiding.

If you were town you could have and should have backed down and not forced the issue.

You admit you knew why I stated it the way I did(if I was town)then you come on full tilt,when someone of your playing ability would have carefully considered it,and stopped. You didnt IB so I omgus you but dont vote you still trying to give you a hint and you come even harder. That means you went on the defensive hard Why?

The way you see things is not my reality.

[DiM]

now that my ban has expired i can finally post here

this is fricking complicated right now.

1. we have NoS who claimed town doc on D1 and nobody counterclaimed. for a mafia to claim doc in D1 it seems insane. i mean he could claim all sorts of other power roles that are less likely to exist. but then there's a guilty result on him which raises some questions. so he's either a mafia with balls of steel or ....read #2.

2. jak111 claims he's a one shot cop that investigated NoS and got a guilty result. first of all the one shot part is very handy because he can't be verified now. he supposedly got just one shot and that was it. as for the guilty result, if it does turn out that NoS really is the town doc, then jak can simply say he was probably an insane/paranoid cop. i don't know, everything seems to be very convenient.

3. and then there's jgordon. when you ask "are there any non-mafia bus drivers in game?" i'm tempted to understand that you already know for a fact that mafia drivers do exist and you're fishing to see if town also has this power role. it could be a scum slip but it could very well be a faulty way of asking a simple question.

i honestly don't know which one to vote right now especially since we also have some players that seem to be submarining.
but i do think that we need a lynch. more input, especially from the submariners, would be greatly appreciated.

[thehippo8]

now that my ban has expired i can finally post here

this is fricking complicated right now.

1. we have NoS who claimed town doc on D1 and nobody counterclaimed. for a mafia to claim doc in D1 it seems insane. i mean he could claim all sorts of other power roles that are less likely to exist. but then there's a guilty result on him which raises some questions. so he's either a mafia with balls of steel or ....read #2.

2. jak111 claims he's a one shot cop that investigated NoS and got a guilty result. first of all the one shot part is very handy because he can't be verified now. he supposedly got just one shot and that was it. as for the guilty result, if it does turn out that NoS really is the town doc, then jak can simply say he was probably an insane/paranoid cop. i don't know, everything seems to be very convenient.

3. and then there's jgordon. when you ask "are there any non-mafia bus drivers in game?" i'm tempted to understand that you already know for a fact that mafia drivers do exist and you're fishing to see if town also has this power role. it could be a scum slip but it could very well be a faulty way of asking a simple question.

i honestly don't know which one to vote right now especially since we also have some players that seem to be submarining.
but i do think that we need a lynch. more input, especially from the submariners, would be greatly appreciated.

Welcome back DiM!

1. I agree it would be a very balsy person to lie about that one! But he could be lying and the real doc just doesn't want to say who they are so they survive. That is, it could be a mafia ploy to out the doctor.

2. Jak's claim is a perfect mafia tactic. I've seen it used to great effect in other games and I was suckered all the way to the very last day! Thankfully I made a lucky guess on the last day and town won but it was a close thing!

3. Yeah the question was weird. Interestingly this is a potential third variant of the same ploy displayed by NoS and Jak (if that is what they are doing).

It seems to me that this is getting dangerously close to coin toss territory (I have this nifty three-sided coin you can borrow!).

So let's look at this from another perspective.

1. If NoS is a doc then we are really stupid to lynch. If he is a doc then mafia would be stupid to keep him. It makes for some interesting days ahead. Too risky to lynch this early in the game. He can be followed or investigated.

2. Joat is a really good mafia lie but if he is town then again we look stupid lynching him.

3. jgordon is an unknown quantity. The question is do we pressure him to get a claim? Or do we take a punt at one of the other two. Of the three options, I'd prefer to pressure jg.

So ... vote jg

[jgordon1111]

pressure accepted Technician Robert Gates,Town Forensic Investigator Now IB you knew what I was doing and why,you want to say anything?

[Iron Butterfly]

pressure accepted Technician Robert Gates,Town Forensic Investigator Now IB you knew what I was doing and why,you want to say anything?

Yes. If you are Town you are even a bigger fool. You only had two votes on you and you claim. If you were Town trying to fend off a big bad mafia you did probably the stupidest thing possible.

Your almost as bad as Yomiel in that you seem to think anyone who questions you or anything you do must be Mafia.

I will say I could be wrong, however I thing your still full of crap. Its just my guess. Why?

1) I would find it more believable if you had said it was a poor choice of words in how you asked about a busdriver. To say you set it up as a trap is BS.

2) You claim when there is no need to . If you think I am Mafia why would you claim so early? I am only as good as my argument. There are only two votes on you and you cave so easily? I admit I could be wrong as I am following a hunch. Yet you in turn, turn my hunch into the possibility I am right by your silly play.

3) Town forensic investigator. I find it odd this is only the second game I have seen that role the other ended yesterday. There are to many coincidences. The good news is that its not the best investigative role. Correct me if I am wrong but all you really do is tell folks how someone died by getting clues of the role of the person who did the killing. You can tell if perhaps if someone was killed by an SK, vig ect.

You keep saying "I know what you are doing" as if that is somehow a proof of what you say. This whole drama came to a head because I asked you a simple question. Why did you ask "are there any non mafia busdrivers" You turned it into the huge dog and pony show it has become.

[jgordon1111]

hmm that was rather rude,but somewhat correct,you notice I never put a vote on you,was looking for the band wagon,but apparently no one but the three of us are playing.

And you are correct about what my role does. And just a little more.

[thehippo8]

Well, my purpose in putting a vote on was pressure. Mission accomplished ...unvote

We are spoiled for choice with inactives. Will go back and see who should be pressured next.

[Iron Butterfly]

Perhaps after the weekend things will pick up.

Heres my take on the two claimed in as short a time as possible.

1) Nos- claimed doc-got a guilty. the reason I am not ready to jump fully on is that with him exposed day one any number of things could have happened. he could be framed or busdriven. He could also be guilty.

2)jgordon- a silly player. I was pressuring him on a hunch. To many things dont add up. The case I put forth was based on his reaction to my initial question. His reaction to simple questions. Only Hippo and I were voting him as everyone else is sleeping. Now my vote is the only one.

What happens depends on the rest of the players. Do we lynch or do we search for others to pressure?

[NoSurvivors]

Just got back from camping, and wow.. I missed a LOT.

The sumbarining is likely due to the long weekend.

I don't know what kind of cop jak is, but I think he got either paranoid, or insane cop. I don't know if he is lieing, but whatever.

Jgord, either you effed up BIG and got very lucky or you need to learn how to choose your words more wisely lmao.

As for pressuring, didn't IB say he would claim if jgord claimed? Idk if he said yea sure or not though.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

JG claiming at only 2 votes is scummy. There is no reason to claim that early. It is quite scummy IMO. With that said, I'm willing to believe it unless someone else counters his claim.

I'm not willing to vote the claimed doc at this point. If he really is the doc then mafia will take care of him.

JOAT is a bitch to deal with since usually the investigative role is true, but it doesn't have to be.

[jgordon1111]

Just got back from camping, and wow.. I missed a LOT.

The sumbarining is likely due to the long weekend.

I don't know what kind of cop jak is, but I think he got either paranoid, or insane cop. I don't know if he is lieing, but whatever.

Jgord, either you effed up BIG and got very lucky or you need to learn how to choose your words more wisely lmao.

As for pressuring, didn't IB say he would claim if jgord claimed? Idk if he said yea sure or not though.

NoS, I made my statement exactly how I meant to,it seems unfortunante beings IB,hippo and myself were the only 3 playing all weekend.

IB never agreed to that deal,I did that just to remind him of the very first game I played where I was being stubborn about my claim and got BG to claim if I did. It was kind of another hint. So no in fact IB did not agree to it and I didnt push for it.

Ah lsu has come back from his weekend,so we are getting back on track now. Not sure what you mean with that last line about the investigative role there,would you like to explain?

[LSU Tiger Josh]

With Jack of all trades usually the investigative role is "true", but there is no set law that it has to be. As such it can be a bitch to deal with since still have other potentially helpful roles to consider by them.

[jgordon1111]

With Jack of all trades usually the investigative role is "true", but there is no set law that it has to be. As such it can be a bitch to deal with since still have other potentially helpful roles to consider by them.

Good point except Jak has the guilty read on NoS,the claimed doc.

[NoSurvivors]

Just got back from camping, and wow.. I missed a LOT.

The sumbarining is likely due to the long weekend.

I don't know what kind of cop jak is, but I think he got either paranoid, or insane cop. I don't know if he is lieing, but whatever.

Jgord, either you effed up BIG and got very lucky or you need to learn how to choose your words more wisely lmao.

As for pressuring, didn't IB say he would claim if jgord claimed? Idk if he said yea sure or not though.

NoS, I made my statement exactly how I meant to,it seems unfortunante beings IB,hippo and myself were the only 3 playing all weekend.

IB never agreed to that deal,I did that just to remind him of the very first game I played where I was being stubborn about my claim and got BG to claim if I did. It was kind of another hint. So no in fact IB did not agree to it and I didnt push for it.

Ah lsu has come back from his weekend,so we are getting back on track now. Not sure what you mean with that last line about the investigative role there,would you like to explain?

Point out which line.. I don't understand.. Lol. Sorry :s

[jgordon1111]

With Jack of all trades usually the investigative role is "true", but there is no set law that it has to be. As such it can be a bitch to deal with since still have other potentially helpful roles to consider by them.

LSU already came in and explained what he meant.

[NoSurvivors]

With Jack of all trades usually the investigative role is "true", but there is no set law that it has to be. As such it can be a bitch to deal with since still have other potentially helpful roles to consider by them.

LSU already came in and explained what he meant.

OH okay, thanks LSU ^_^

[jak111]

I've been observing since my claim of NoS as guilty, and I'm beginning to believe my investigation was correct. It's not in the words he posts but in the way he posts. He's a bit nervous of being caught especially after an investigation role, so to max any chance of surviving he's playing the innocent card and just going along with others.

I think Campin needs to prod a few people because without their input NoS may be facing the noose by the end of today. Though I find this whole claim thing a bit nerve wrecking. People are worried about lynching the 'claimed' doc, all I'm gonna say is remember Hectic Electic. I'm telling the real doc to lay low right now because he shouldn't have to be outed for this scum bag to go down.

I also find is odd that NO ONE ELSE decided to check in on our 'claimed' doc. He's the only role we knew from D1. He's the only one we could confirm or deny if he visited who he said he 'protected'.

Another problem I have is that he says he went no where. Why isn't anyone capitalizing on this? He's a doctor yet he decided to not bother trying to save anyone for fear he may protect Mafia from a kill? We're not even sure if a vig exists in this game, let alone him hitting a mafia player N1. So that excuse is complete BS. Anyone who can't see that needs to recheck what it is a doctor is supposed to do.

Your fake claim has them questioning it, but without a busdriver standing up to say they bussed you, I am curious to as how anyone can believe him with his claim of not going anywhere last night and all (This is why a tracker should have been on him and completely wasted his defense).

Once everyone has a chance to post can we start voting this guy? I didn't out myself to let him off the hook just because of his claim (and when he said he went no where made the claim less believable). If there's truly a busdriver out there maybe they'll speak up a lot sooner if votes go on the 'doc'. Without a confirmed busdrive, he's dead, so to anyone hiding it, it's best to cough it up now.

[NoSurvivors]

I've been observing since my claim of NoS as guilty, and I'm beginning to believe my investigation was correct. It's not in the words he posts but in the way he posts. He's a bit nervous of being caught especially after an investigation role, so to max any chance of surviving he's playing the innocent card and just going along with others.

I think Campin needs to prod a few people because without their input NoS may be facing the noose by the end of today. Though I find this whole claim thing a bit nerve wrecking. People are worried about lynching the 'claimed' doc, all I'm gonna say is remember Hectic Electic. I'm telling the real doc to lay low right now because he shouldn't have to be outed for this scum bag to go down.

I also find is odd that NO ONE ELSE decided to check in on our 'claimed' doc. He's the only role we knew from D1. He's the only one we could confirm or deny if he visited who he said he 'protected'.

Another problem I have is that he says he went no where. Why isn't anyone capitalizing on this? He's a doctor yet he decided to not bother trying to save anyone for fear he may protect Mafia from a kill? We're not even sure if a vig exists in this game, let alone him hitting a mafia player N1. So that excuse is complete BS. Anyone who can't see that needs to recheck what it is a doctor is supposed to do.

Your fake claim has them questioning it, but without a busdriver standing up to say they bussed you, I am curious to as how anyone can believe him with his claim of not going anywhere last night and all (This is why a tracker should have been on him and completely wasted his defense).

Once everyone has a chance to post can we start voting this guy? I didn't out myself to let him off the hook just because of his claim (and when he said he went no where made the claim less believable). If there's truly a busdriver out there maybe they'll speak up a lot sooner if votes go on the 'doc'. Without a confirmed busdrive, he's dead, so to anyone hiding it, it's best to cough it up now.

So.. because I went away camping for a few days, and come back to see a few people gone wild.. you say oh he HAS to be scum? Really now? Im sorry but I can be a total douche if you want.. sorry for trying to be friendly.. I do have to say that you have been leading the witch hunt for me this whole time. You are the only one who has wanted me out day 2, and don't you think that wanting to lynch the doc when you could be working the mafia side trying to get everybody to lynch me?? The mafia apparently wanted to be on the safe side and NOT have one of their members caught or a bus driver saved me from a kill, whatever, idk how that works. Fact is in every game Ive played mafia except a few in RT Live Chat with the guards and king etc, there has been a vig. I thought that someone was going to try to kill a mafia. I'm sorry for not knowing that there might not be a vig. I thought roles were always in: mafia, vig, cop and doc since I have always seen them. I can save someone, and now that people are talking, I know who is likely going to be targeted. Now its up to us to figure out who is scummy.. and honestly, your claim is quite convenient.

[DoomYoshi]

If there is a guaranteed doc and cop, the game is broken (usually).

Jgordon, your claim and this whole argument is the reason I was willing to lynch you day 1 with no provocation. I knew if I gave you enough time, you would aggravate me.

Anyways, now that I am done being insulting, I will say the reason I am aggravated is that you never stopped to think that both yourself and IB might be town. Just because 2 players argue doesn't mean they are opposite factions. You have claimed for what seems to be no reason. When I get back on Tuesday, I am going to compare the claims we have with the available scenes. I think we have enough info that a close reading will be helpful.

[jak111]

So.. because I went away camping for a few days, and come back to see a few people gone wild.. you say oh he HAS to be scum? Really now? Im sorry but I can be a total douche if you want.. sorry for trying to be friendly.. I do have to say that you have been leading the witch hunt for me this whole time. You are the only one who has wanted me out day 2, and don't you think that wanting to lynch the doc when you could be working the mafia side trying to get everybody to lynch me?? The mafia apparently wanted to be on the safe side and NOT have one of their members caught or a bus driver saved me from a kill, whatever, idk how that works. Fact is in every game Ive played mafia except a few in RT Live Chat with the guards and king etc, there has been a vig. I thought that someone was going to try to kill a mafia. I'm sorry for not knowing that there might not be a vig. I thought roles were always in: mafia, vig, cop and doc since I have always seen them. I can save someone, and now that people are talking, I know who is likely going to be targeted. Now its up to us to figure out who is scummy.. and honestly, your claim is quite convenient.

So is your claim NoS. What exactly is a Medic? Why would Campin trail away from the usual Doc? Maybe you are a doc, but no one is stating otherwise. Speaking of convenience. It's all to convenient that you can claim to visit nobody due to the belief of a vig killing a mafia. THAT, is convenient. Wouldn't want to go around saying you visited x and someone else said you visited y. No, with your claim you can just claim that you decided to hide who you visited for z reason.

Hell, people can lynch me if they truly believe you to be the doc, however, I know I have you caught. Until someone says they switched something around of course I'm going to be on your tail. If I was a steady cop I'd question my sanity after the day cop dying, however I am not. What are the chances of you coming up guilty with a single use role?

Anything else without proof is WIFOM. Right now I'm going off what I have and as no one else has stepped up to say what they did to make you come up as guilty, I am going to assume you are guilty. You can threaten to be a douche, but we both know it will only be a self defense mechanism.

My question is, without any claims as to what else happened last night or of anyone visiting Jonty. The only lead I can think of is you. This JG thing can be dealt with tomorrow because no one has clear evidence of what he is or what he's done unless IB or someone is holding back. Shift your point of view for a moment, do you see anything that's worth us going after today off of COMPLETE randomness instead of only WIFOM randomness?