~*VICE CITY MAFIA*~ [DAY 5] GAME DRAW- NO ONE WINS (?)

[Alexwales93]

Having read this YET AGAIN, it seems that Avron and Talapus seem to be working togetherwith some stupid made up reason to take down Koesen, with seems very scummy to me.
But maybe they know somthing I don't?
For now I'll:-
Vote Talpus
FOS Avron

Talpus, you're acussing Koesen of somthing very stupid, but it apears to me that you are bandwagonng with Avron to take Koesen out, with out a real and valuable reason to do so, and expect everyone else to do the same.

Hopefully I am correct, and will only unvote when I see some good evidence in your claims.

That'll be all for now.

In all honesty I think you are skimming, or bandwaggoning with Koesen because if you read anything at all, you'd realize I voted Koesen for an entirely different(and valid) point. Please read everything before you accuse me of something like that...

I have read everything that has been said in this thread, and would definetley not say I'm skimming.

Also, Koesen may think that it's better getting rid of a inactive player BEFORE investigating futher into the bandwagoning that occured before.
To me it seems you are trying desparetley hard todeflect attention of yourself and onto Koesen.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Vote Talapus for making a mountain out of a molehill.. Personally with it still being early on I wouldn't mind seeing the mod kill off some of the deadbeats and Koe wants to kill them off via modkill OR a lynch. I would say you should wait and see who he goes after today before pursueing this wild theory of yours and avron's, but y'all have sealed his vote even though I'm not 100% convinced.

[Koesen]

I voted Vincent M because I had a good reason to, and because at that point I did not have enough evidence to pick one of the lynchers over the others.

Perhaps I should have been more careful with the way I phrased things, but to call that a LIE is over the top.

I think both Talapus and Avron are mafia, for reasons stated several times by myself and others.

Since the general opinion appears to be that right now the case against Talapus is stronger, I am going to

Unvote Avron
Vote Talapus

If it turns out I was wrong, you can lynch me all you like, but you'll only find I am innocent.

[Koesen]

the fact that you said you were going and looking for someone else and you never did. Apparently you never even tried.

Apparently I never even tried? What have I been doing ever since Vincent's modkill was announced, eh?

Keep twisting my words, mate.

[kalishnikov]

the fact that you said you were going and looking for someone else and you never did. Apparently you never even tried.

Apparently I never even tried? What have I been doing ever since Vincent's modkill was announced, eh?

Keep twisting my words, mate.

In all fairness, When Koesen said "time to look at bandwagoners," that doesn't actually mean he's going to vote one of them, or at least not right at that moment.

We could examine lots of people, and vote none. Depends on the solidity of the evidence and any unknowns which pop up in the process.

But honestly, I don't think either of the arguments have much merit at this point.

I will however FOS:Avron. He just kinda seems scummy, that's why its only an FOS, gut feeling I guess.

[Avron]

Unvote Koeson
Vote Tapulus,
evidence and conviction just seems to pilling up against you

[Alexwales93]

Hitman, could we have a vote count?

[dwightschrute]

FOS Avron and Talapus

[XenCobra]

Just got home from school, and I have to do some stuff. Ill read what I missed in a couple of hours.

[Koesen]

I believe Sam_Levi_11 and Capt Killroy haven't shown any activity yet. Could they be modkilled, replaced or at least given a solid prod?

I don't like inactives and I'll lead their lynch if I have to, but I prefer mod action, so we can focus on those who actually participate.

[XenCobra]

After reading through. Talapus looks very summy. Twisting Koesen words and trying to start a bang wagon agaisnt him.

FOS: Talapus How ever, you seem to have fight in you, which shows you are eather trying to make up excuses or you are townie.


I think your going to have to Role Claim Talapus, or eles my vote will turn to you.


FOS: Avron for jumping on a bang wagon

[Talapus]

After reading through. Talapus looks very summy. Twisting Koesen words and trying to start a bang wagon agaisnt him.

FOS: Talapus How ever, you seem to have fight in you, which shows you are eather trying to make up excuses or you are townie.


I think your going to have to Role Claim Talapus, or eles my vote will turn to you.


FOS: Avron for jumping on a bang wagon

This game just starts and you want me to roleclaim??? That's a really quick way of getting a lot of innocents killed because then the fingerpoiting will really start...

[safariguy5]

Um, how would roleclaiming really help? If you are a mafia, you can claim anything else, and would people really stop trying to hang you? I find that is a very suspicious thing to do because it is admitting that you are using desperate measures to try and save your skin.

[Talapus]

Having read this YET AGAIN, it seems that Avron and Talapus seem to be working togetherwith some stupid made up reason to take down Koesen, with seems very scummy to me.
But maybe they know somthing I don't?
For now I'll:-
Vote Talpus
FOS Avron

Talpus, you're acussing Koesen of somthing very stupid, but it apears to me that you are bandwagonng with Avron to take Koesen out, with out a real and valuable reason to do so, and expect everyone else to do the same.

Hopefully I am correct, and will only unvote when I see some good evidence in your claims.

That'll be all for now.

In all honesty I think you are skimming, or bandwaggoning with Koesen because if you read anything at all, you'd realize I voted Koesen for an entirely different(and valid) point. Please read everything before you accuse me of something like that...

I have read everything that has been said in this thread, and would definetley not say I'm skimming.

Also, Koesen may think that it's better getting rid of a inactive player BEFORE investigating futher into the bandwagoning that occured before.
To me it seems you are trying desparetley hard todeflect attention of yourself and onto Koesen.[/quote


And seriously, I agree that this was rather a fierce arguement but it was me fighting it by myself. Why in the world would I fight this against 2 other players unless it looked scummy. Look at this again guys....Koesen and Alex have had each others backs though all of this and you all seem to be missing that point.

People who are stanging up for one another so early in a game are doing it to protect themselves...THEY ARE HIDING SOMETHING...

[Talapus]

I think your going to have to Role Claim Talapus, or eles my vote will turn to you.

Sorry Xen, this is just never a good idea so early on...FOS - - - Xen

[XenCobra]

It's easier to tell when someone is lieing if your mafia, since they have to come up with a fake claim.

Talapus your fighting for your life and all you can say if point fingers back at Koesen and Alex and FOS me for wanting you to role claim so then I can look towards them?


Unvote Vote: Talapus Look above for reasons. If you are townie then I am sorry and we would have learned that Koesen and Alex are scum buddies.

FOS: Alex and Koesen for looking like scum buddies.

[XenCobra]

FOS: Alex and Koesen

[kalishnikov]

Um, how would roleclaiming really help? If you are a mafia, you can claim anything else, and would people really stop trying to hang you? I find that is a very suspicious thing to do because it is admitting that you are using desperate measures to try and save your skin.

Watch yourself safari. I might be blacklisted because of similar comments posted after my death scene in a different mafia game. Just trying to give fair warning before you get in the same boat as me (Because no one else will; they just black list you and thats it. No warning or anything.)

[safariguy5]

It's easier to tell when someone is lieing if your mafia, since they have to come up with a fake claim.

Talapus your fighting for your life and all you can say if point fingers back at Koesen and Alex and FOS me for wanting you to role claim so then I can look towards them?


Unvote Vote: Talapus Look above for reasons. If you are townie then I am sorry and we would have learned that Koesen and Alex are scum buddies.

FOS: Alex and Koesen for looking like scum buddies.

I see. Well, in all the non CC mafia games I've played, it's been a lot easier to kill someone, so I guess roleclaiming must be part of the game that I have never been exposed to.

Thanks for the heads up kalashnikov. Being my first game, and being eliminated day 1 for what I thought were pretty questionable reasons is just bothering me. I meant no sarcasm; and I was just frustrated i guess.

[sam_levi_11]

hi guys im bak

[Koesen]

Yes, you'd better be careful, Safariguy5. Basically, you're not allowed to say anything that could give other players information or ideas they didn't have before and even if you aren't blacklisted, people might not consider you for the growing number of invite only games, which would be a shame.

Talapus: it's clear that you are after me, but why are you singling out AlexWales? He's hardly the only guy who voted against you, and the reasons he gave for voting against you are pretty much the same as anybody else's. Trying to create confusion? That just adds to my suspicion.

Frankly, I think we will both die soon. You are on your way to being lynched and not doing a great job of defending yourself, lashing out with your OMGUS Fosses. If you turn out to be innocent after all, which I really, really doubt, I will surely be the next to go. If you are indeed scum, your buddies (I'm still thinking of Avron and I'm saying this so people will have a lead when I die) will surely avenge you.

[Koesen]

So, any thoughts to share, Sam_Levi_11?

[Talapus]

Yes, you'd better be careful, Safariguy5. Basically, you're not allowed to say anything that could give other players information or ideas they didn't have before and even if you aren't blacklisted, people might not consider you for the growing number of invite only games, which would be a shame.

Talapus: it's clear that you are after me, but why are you singling out AlexWales? He's hardly the only guy who voted against you, and the reasons he gave for voting against you are pretty much the same as anybody else's. Trying to create confusion? That just adds to my suspicion.

Frankly, I think we will both die soon. You are on your way to being lynched and not doing a great job of defending yourself, lashing out with your OMGUS Fosses. If you turn out to be innocent after all, which I really, really doubt, I will surely be the next to go. If you are indeed scum, your buddies (I'm still thinking of Avron and I'm saying this so people will have a lead when I die) will surely avenge you.

Ummm, I voted for you Koesen, not Alex. So I don't think I'm "singling out AlexWales".

Second off you two have defended each other since this started. That's really odd! I have no doubt that we are both on our way out of this in the next few days, but at least I hope the right people in town realize how suspicious you look and take care of it before it's too late.

[Alexwales93]

Yes, you'd better be careful, Safariguy5. Basically, you're not allowed to say anything that could give other players information or ideas they didn't have before and even if you aren't blacklisted, people might not consider you for the growing number of invite only games, which would be a shame.

Talapus: it's clear that you are after me, but why are you singling out AlexWales? He's hardly the only guy who voted against you, and the reasons he gave for voting against you are pretty much the same as anybody else's. Trying to create confusion? That just adds to my suspicion.

Frankly, I think we will both die soon. You are on your way to being lynched and not doing a great job of defending yourself, lashing out with your OMGUS Fosses. If you turn out to be innocent after all, which I really, really doubt, I will surely be the next to go. If you are indeed scum, your buddies (I'm still thinking of Avron and I'm saying this so people will have a lead when I die) will surely avenge you.

Ummm, I voted for you Koesen, not Alex. So I don't think I'm "singling out AlexWales".

Second off you two have defended each other since this started. That's really odd! I have no doubt that we are both on our way out of this in the next few days, but at least I hope the right people in town realize how suspicious you look and take care of it before it's too late.

No way are me and Koesen ganging up on you, I just think your first argument with him was an absurd one, and made you look very scummy, thus the reason I voted for you.
If Koesen were to look scummy aswell, I would not hesitate in pointing that out.
Talapus, if it looks like we're ganing up on you, then you are wrong. Everyone in this game could be mafia for all I know, and if Koesen had started that awful argument over rubbish reasons, then I'm sure I would vote for him.

Thank you for your time.

[Koesen]

Ummm, I voted for you Koesen, not Alex. So I don't think I'm "singling out AlexWales".

I call BS:

Look at this again guys....Koesen and Alex have had each others backs though all of this and you all seem to be missing that point.

People who are stanging up for one another so early in a game are doing it to protect themselves...THEY ARE HIDING SOMETHING...

You said this at a time when Haoala, LSU and Avron were all voting against you. Yet you don't mention them at all, preferring to create the impression that AlexWales and I are scheming together.

That is singling out.

Besides, the "through all of this" part is ridiculous. AlexWales wasn't even in the game when you first attacked me.

I know I am innocent. I don't know what side AlexWales is on, but so far he hasn't said anything that I find suspicious. You, on the other hand, appear unable to open your mouth without making yourself look even scummier than before.
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