Mushroom Kingdom - Day 4! --Banana-- Peeled!

[PainBrain]

Vote: pilate065

I'm not sure what it is but pilate just comes off weird to me.

[Phate]

I like your thinking

[Machiavelli]

Aside from the fact that my statement was a question, prodding the rest of the players to find out what they thought about it, i didn't say anything about roles. Should we divulge our players and what we know? Players...ie mario, luigi, peach... What we know i.e. there are 3 mafia members.

I realize it was a question but I thought it was a question that was meant to suggest something (i.e. Do you want to go get something to eat? which suggests that you want to go eat, even if you dont really care if the other person is hungry or not). To me it came off as trying to find roles.

[Machiavelli]

Also...

Just to throw this out there...

Has anyone considered Painbrain? He's posted a total of twice in this whole thread. Once to say 'He was in' for the game. And the other was to 'Vote Droz'. Is he normally not very active? It could be an interesting strategy if he was mafia....lay low and let other people accuse the usual posters of things. He might be flying under the radar, and simply letting everyone forget about him.

Acropolis hasn't posted much either, but his few posts were generally meaningful. But something to consider nonetheless...


--Andy

Exactly, it is something the mafia would try and do. So people that do it are suspected... Which is my point.

Now, lets clear up what i was saying. The towns people must be an inquisitive bunch. They must be willing to point out small things in order to try and get larger things brought to light. The risk in doing this is that people start to get suspicious of you cause you're jumping out there accusing people, apparently trying to get them killed for whatever reason. The mafia member on the other hand, will not take such a risk. When i said they won't accuse someone without too much to go on, what i should have said was that they won't accuse someone unless they are sure that they can get the backing of the community. That the community won't turn around and say, wait, why did you accuse them? Basically, with how you've been playing up through this point, i am for myself convinced.

vote: mach

Andy accuses two people of little thins and you say he is just trying to direct attention away from himself but directly after that you say that mafia will not accuse people of little things.


Then you say that I have only been accusing people when they do things that blatently suggest that they are mafia. I agree with you on this point, I do only suggest people when they do things that blatently suggest they are mafia. It is silly not to accuse someone when they do things that blatently suggest they are mafia!

Also by your same distorted logic, you are admitting that you are blatently mafia, because I think that you are mafia and I only pick the obvious people.

I really dont have a problem with you thinking I am mafia, if the only reason is that I have accused the obvious people.


At the moment i am happy with where my vote stands.

[AndyDufresne]

I only tossed those two tid bits out there because people asked for information. And it was mentioned earlier in the thread that sometimes the mafia lie low, and let people forget about them. But both of those that I wondered about posted soon after I posted that....so where were they until then? Not even enough time to post a little bit? I'm not accusing them of anything, and I don't think I'd base a vote on simply not posting, but it raised a flag to me.


--Andy

[Banana Stomper]

i wasn't saying andy was directing attention from himself, i was supporting my point that if people lie low, they are suggested as potential mafia.

And you are mistaken in your interpretation of my points. I'm not saying that you are jumping on people that are obviously mafia. I'm admitting that i put myself out there. I prodded because something needed to be done. When someone steps out and tries to get information to find the mafia it is likely that they get accused. I'm sorry, mach, if i tried to get the ball rolling without an accusation. What i'm saying about your accusation here is that it is based on flawed interpretation of what i've said.

"Do you think it'd be a good idea to go get soemthing to eat. I think it'd be a good idea. No? ok, i guess i was wrong about the idea." Yes, if you suggest getting something to eat, you think it might be a good idea, but you ask because you don't know, you think it, but you're suggesting that it might not be the right decision. So you ask.

I am not saying you are accusing people who are obviously mafia, because if it was so obvious, both of your accusations wouldn't have been wrong so far. I'm saying you are accusing people who it is safe to accuse. perhaps there is a fine line between the two, but there is a line none the less.

Perhaps my points aren't clear, or you're having trouble figuring out what i'm trying to say, but to me it feels like you are twisting everything i say.

I really don't understand how you managed to take what i said and come out with me suggesting that andy is directing attention from himself. I quoted him because he proved my point that people raise their eyebrows to the silent, it doesn't matter who said it.

Lastly, my point about your voting pattern is further proven if you look at the sequence of events before your vote for me as mafia. You suggested that i acted suspiciously, but not enough to vote on. Nothing changed except that another player put out an FOS on me, still not enough to vote on. But once you found that you might have some backing in your accusation, you pounced. Nothing further indicated that i might be mafia. All you found was support, not information, but it was enough for you to come forth and put a vote out there. Even in your post you stated that you didn't want to vote on someone for "something so small". Yet here we are. With a ball already rolling, you felt the need to get it rolling again, but since then the ball has stopped rolling, save a couple players still putting in their two cents.

I am more than happy with my vote here unless we start up with any other thoughts from other people. So far its just been me and mach beating up on eachother. If it goes on like this..where will we get?

[Darkfire001]

Well I'm sure others like me are sort of watching where the conversation between you two goes (mach & bananna), I don't feel "right" voting for either of your right now since the accusations against each other are still more like FOS's without much proof. I'll try and contibute something reasonable today

[Banana Stomper]

**bumps**

[Machiavelli]

The only reason that I had voted Banana Stomper was because I thought that he was trying to get us to roleclaim.


He says that he only wanted to find there characters but I am not sure if I believe this because I do not understand what good will come from knowing each others characters.


Can you please explain it to me.

[Machiavelli]

Vote: pilate065

I'm not sure what it is but pilate just comes off weird to me.

Can you please give some examples.

[max is gr8]

Games on conquer club are slow maybe we should make them smaller 7 player is a decent size so is 9 player

[Machiavelli]

Any thoughts on this game?

[Haydena]

I still don't think that there is much to go on still. It would take quite a keen eye to pick out someone acting oddly, but if we don't do something about it soon, there wont be any townies left.

[Machiavelli]

We do have 11 pages of talk, which is a fair amount.


To me Banana Stomper was suspicious because I thought he wanted us to all roleclaim.


Even if I did misunderstand him on that point, I still think he is mafia because after I voted for him, he reacted with a retaliation vote, which is very often something that scum does.

[Haydena]

Even if I did misunderstand him on that point, I still think he is mafia because after I voted for him, he reacted with a retaliation vote, which is very often something that scum does.

Can you explain why the mafia would react with a retaliation vote? Surely that would be too obvious?

[Machiavelli]

There are a few reasons that mafia would do this.

In this particular case I was the only other person really talking, so Banana had no one else to accuse.

mafia in general do not want to be accused so when someone does accuse them it is best for the mafia to get rid of that person.



It is a little obvious but Im pretty sure that Banana Stomper is new to the game.

[Banana Stomper]

I did vote for you after you voted for me, mach, but it wasn't a retaliation vote. My vote for you was spawned by roused suspicion based on your posts so far. Based on when you accused me, and how you reacted when I accused Droz, and how it felt like you had been twisting my words. To me it felt more like you were trying to build a case against me rather than try to find the mafia. But if you think about it, so far, both of our votes make sense. The most suspicous person other than you is me, and the most suspicious person other than me is you. Our votes were easy. Its everyone else that actually has to make a decision.

Oh, and the reason that i suggested that we name our characters. From the opening of the game, we know that either Mario or Luigi have to be mafia. Basically, thats not a bad place to start from.

[PainBrain]

I didnt have a real reason I'm just trying to get some talk from other people going.

[Machiavelli]

I did vote for you after you voted for me, mach, but it wasn't a retaliation vote. My vote for you was spawned by roused suspicion based on your posts so far. Based on when you accused me, and how you reacted when I accused Droz, and how it felt like you had been twisting my words. To me it felt more like you were trying to build a case against me rather than try to find the mafia. But if you think about it, so far, both of our votes make sense. The most suspicous person other than you is me, and the most suspicious person other than me is you. Our votes were easy. Its everyone else that actually has to make a decision.

I agree with you, we are both the obvious votes. I understand what you were saying about me voting for easy people to vote for but that is only because we dont have to much to go on.

Oh, and the reason that i suggested that we name our characters. From the opening of the game, we know that either Mario or Luigi have to be mafia. Basically, thats not a bad place to start from.

I understand your logic but at this point in the game I think that it might hurt us because when people claim certain roles they hint what their powers are and mafia will probably pick up on this.

[Machiavelli]

~bump~

[Pilate]

From what I see machiavella and banana stomper are the only ones providing any analysis.

What are the chances of one of them being mafia? none of them?

[Banana Stomper]

**bumps shamelessly**

[Machiavelli]

**Re-bumps while waiting for someone other than Banana Stomper to make any good conversation**

[max is gr8]

god this is going slow.

vote:Bannana Stomper

[Machiavelli]

Where is everyone!?!