[Official] Choose Your Own Mafia - TOWN WINS

[ptlowe]

And I believe his thinking was that he had the correct scum in his last game, so he thinks he has again and the scum are trying to take him out before he can convince others. Is this close pt?

That is what I am thinking whatsausage. Also Tim not defending himself is kind of the same MO as last game so Im sticking to my vote.

[Epitaph1]

Tim is the #2 player in the draft. If you push him to claim, you better have a good reason because you will undoubtedly reveal a strong role.

And I believe his thinking was that he had the correct scum in his last game, so he thinks he has again and the scum are trying to take him out before he can convince others. Is this close pt?

That is what I am thinking whatsausage. Also Tim not defending himself is kind of the same MO as last game so Im sticking to my vote.

What does this even mean? That you think he's town but has bad reads and is being stubborn? That's a terrible reason to push anyone, much less someone who is almost certainly a PR.

[ptlowe]

Tim is the #2 player in the draft. If you push him to claim, you better have a good reason because you will undoubtedly reveal a strong role.

And I believe his thinking was that he had the correct scum in his last game, so he thinks he has again and the scum are trying to take him out before he can convince others. Is this close pt?

That is what I am thinking whatsausage. Also Tim not defending himself is kind of the same MO as last game so Im sticking to my vote.

What does this even mean? That you think he's town but has bad reads and is being stubborn? That's a terrible reason to push anyone, much less someone who is almost certainly a PR.

I think hes scum. Pure and simple.

[benga]

Interesting to see HS pretty much disappeared after his joke vote.

Not sure about Tim, more will be know after N1.

[TimWoodbury]

Tim stop being a jerk and play the game. Who do you see as scum, who do you see as town?

Re Scum wanting Ptlowe dead. Why? With that draft position? I doubt it.

how am i being a jerk?? right now i really dont have any reads as there is simply sooo much. but i will say i agree that the important power roles are most likley at the top while the bottom draft list would be the less important roles and or vanilla however draft spot is not any indication of sides.

i think we should focus on looking at people towards the middle of the lsit the 1st cuple of days as it was mentioned before the ones at the top of the draft list will get sorted by the skum night kills and or cop of sort.

for reads id like to hear more from either benga or virus they both seem quiet.
hotshot is really quiet as well streaker and dakky are quiet compared to normal as well but streaker has mentioned he would be away so we cant hold that agaisnt him

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

So far you have suggested we lynch people on their draft position alone and made no comment about who you think is scum. Given you're top of the draft its a bit wierd that you switch to wanting to kill the middle of the list.... It looks like you just want to save your own skin.

Scumhunt means looking for scum and not choosing someone arbitary to kill.

[TimWoodbury]

So far you have suggested we lynch people on their draft position alone and made no comment about who you think is scum. Given you're top of the draft its a bit wierd that you switch to wanting to kill the middle of the list.... It looks like you just want to save your own skin.

Scumhunt means looking for scum and not choosing someone arbitary to kill.

not really wanting to save my skin as it was said before by i do bealive endgame that the top of the list people will get sorted at night with the mafia assumeing they would wanna kill the good power roles with most likley are at the top thats all was meaning to say.

ive not really given ay reads because its such a big game (larger then the others ive played) and im all over the place really.

[Marashu]

NOTICE:
I will be adding these two points to the OP. First is a consideration regarding the prize, second is an FAQ.

1) In the unlikely case of a tie, the 3500 credit reward will be divided among the tying teams, to be given to a voted MVP for each team.

2) FREQUENTLY* ASKED QUESTIONS
*All these questions may or may not have actually been asked
Q) If the tailor targets the SK and the cop investigates the SK, how does it read?
A) The SK normally reads town, so if hit by the tailor, the SK would read mafia.

Q) What happens if the Jailkeeper and the Roleblocker target each other?
A) Nirvana. But seriously, both roleblocks happen, and neither can use any other night actions, if they have any. The Roleblocker does not receive the benefit of the Jailkeeper's protection.

Q) What happens if a player protected by the Doc, Jailkeeper, or Bulletproof attempts to kill the Bomb?
A) In the case of the Jailed player, the Bomb and player both live. In the other cases, the Doc and Bulletproof protect against kill attempts. Because the Bomb is a passive response to a successful kill, no attempt is made and the protected player also dies (though the Doc will live, because they did not target the Bomb).

Q) If the Busdriver targets the Bomb to redirect, and the bomb dies, does the Busdriver also die?
A) Yes, the Busdriver, in addition to anyone redirected by the Busdriver, would die in this situation.

Q) How are the Double Voter's votes handled?
A) They are weighted twice. The Double Voter does not get a second vote to place elsewhere, or withhold their second vote. Because there may or may not be a Double Voter, I have been withholding numbers from the daily vote count.

Q) Can the mafia/SK have a second night kill if they are the Vigilante?
A) Yes. They get one faction kill, which in the case of the mafia may be carried out by either living member, and one Vigilante kill which may only be performed by the player with that role.

Q) If an Empowered character targets the Busdriver, the Busdriver targets the Bomb, and the Bomb dies, who dies?
A) The Bomb dies, whichever player killed the Bomb dies, the Busdriver dies for targeting the Bomb. The Empowered character does not die, because they were not successfully redirected (the Empowerer guarantees that the night action works as intended)

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Summary: Were all dying to the bomb tonight

In all seriousness this could be hilarious

[ptlowe]

Now Im really confused.

[Metsfanmax]

What happens if the Empowerer and the Roleblocker both target the Busdriver, who is targeting the Empowerer, and the Vigilante shoots the Busdriver?

[Marashu]

What happens if the Empowerer and the Roleblocker both target the Busdriver, who is targeting the Empowerer, and the Vigilante shoots the Busdriver?

Empowerer makes sure the Busdriver's action works, as it is effectively an anti-roleblock. Roleblocker would either block Busdriver, but because busdriver is empowered, is not roleblocked, or would block empowerer, which does not impact the Busdriver. Vig shoots, shot redirected to Empowerer.

If there are no further rules questions, I will leave you all to your sleuthing.

[TimWoodbury]

Summary: Were all dying to the bomb tonight

In all seriousness this could be hilarious

hmmm so i know bomb please reveal yourself and everyone target the bomb tonight thus making the whole game die wait who wins in that case?

[TimWoodbury]

ebwop
actualy not everyone can target the bomb only those with night actions but would get read of all teh power roles and esentally be down to a regular mafia game

[Metsfanmax]

Summary: Were all dying to the bomb tonight

In all seriousness this could be hilarious

hmmm so i know bomb please reveal yourself and everyone target the bomb tonight thus making the whole game die wait who wins in that case?

The scum who were smart enough to not do that?

[dakky21]

What happens if mafia/SK and the Bomb are the last one alive? They kill each other? LMAO.

for reads id like to hear more from either benga or virus they both seem quiet.
hotshot is really quiet as well streaker and dakky are quiet compared to normal as well but streaker has mentioned he would be away so we cant hold that agaisnt him

I am quiet because I don't have anything to add. I am reading posts but no one is revealing anything.

Tim, you fooled me last game, so I'm on alert here. On the other hand, you say Streaker is away so we cant hold that against him.
I wonder why are you so much protecting him while questioning others about not talking.
That could make you a pair, you know...

fp'd

[ptlowe]

NOTICE:

Q) How are the Double Voter's votes handled?
A) They are weighted twice. The Double Voter does not get a second vote to place elsewhere, or withhold their second vote. Because there may or may not be a Double Voter, I have been withholding numbers from the daily vote count.

So that means there is a double voter and its not one of the three people who havent voted yet and its probably within the first 8 or so draft order. Thanks for confirming

[TimWoodbury]

What happens if mafia/SK and the Bomb are the last one alive? They kill each other? LMAO.

for reads id like to hear more from either benga or virus they both seem quiet.
hotshot is really quiet as well streaker and dakky are quiet compared to normal as well but streaker has mentioned he would be away so we cant hold that agaisnt him

I am quiet because I don't have anything to add. I am reading posts but no one is revealing anything.

Tim, you fooled me last game, so I'm on alert here. On the other hand, you say Streaker is away so we cant hold that against him.
I wonder why are you so much protecting him while questioning others about not talking.
That could make you a pair, you know...

fp'd

not exactly protecting him yah id like to hear more from him but we cant when he is away he said he would be away the others havent said they would be away

[TimWoodbury]

NOTICE:

Q) How are the Double Voter's votes handled?
A) They are weighted twice. The Double Voter does not get a second vote to place elsewhere, or withhold their second vote. Because there may or may not be a Double Voter, I have been withholding numbers from the daily vote count.

So that means there is a double voter and its not one of the three people who havent voted yet and its probably within the first 8 or so draft order. Thanks for confirming

or maybe it means there is a double voter and they wanted to ask him how it works before voting thus giveing aay who they was though i do think ur ost likley correct on that one pt that the double voter has most likley already voted

[TimWoodbury]

what would you guys think of the bomb claiming that way noone kill him/her at night?? its a role that can only be lynched without haveing major reprecussions ie alot of ppeople dieing. from there we can look at people who from here on out try to pressure the bomb??

[dakky21]

what would you guys think of the bomb claiming that way noone kill him/her at night?? its a role that can only be lynched without haveing major reprecussions ie alot of ppeople dieing. from there we can look at people who from here on out try to pressure the bomb??

if you push too hard someone will eventually claim bomb, following the rest also claiming bomb.
you won't get anything out of it, just like people claiming VT's

[dakky21]

what would you guys think of the bomb claiming that way noone kill him/her at night?? its a role that can only be lynched without haveing major reprecussions ie alot of ppeople dieing. from there we can look at people who from here on out try to pressure the bomb??

EBWOP

Also, you being high on the draft pick list, makes me wonder you might be the bomb.
Why do you think "a lot of people could die" ?

[TimWoodbury]

what would you guys think of the bomb claiming that way noone kill him/her at night?? its a role that can only be lynched without haveing major reprecussions ie alot of ppeople dieing. from there we can look at people who from here on out try to pressure the bomb??

if you push too hard someone will eventually claim bomb, following the rest also claiming bomb.
you won't get anything out of it, just like people claiming VT's

however we know that only 1 person can e bommb so would make since for someone NOW to claim bob so that down the road if someon else claims bomb with pressure then we know most likley they are lieing. if someone gets killed and flips bomb down the road then we know the one who claimed bomb now was lieing and gets lynched.


im just thinking outside the box trying to help eleminate people to be suspicious of right now as its better to have 8 or 9 people to look at then it is to have 11 to look at

[dakky21]

however we know that only 1 person can e bommb so would make since for someone NOW to claim bob so that down the road if someon else claims bomb with pressure then we know most likley they are lieing. if someone gets killed and flips bomb down the road then we know the one who claimed bomb now was lieing and gets lynched.


im just thinking outside the box trying to help eleminate people to be suspicious of right now as its better to have 8 or 9 people to look at then it is to have 11 to look at

Let's say you claim a bomb. After you I claim a bomb. You were higher on the draft, it is less likely you choose it. You get dead during night because I claimed it also.

So stop the thing about the bomb because it will not lead us anywhere.

[Metsfanmax]

what would you guys think of the bomb claiming that way noone kill him/her at night?? its a role that can only be lynched without haveing major reprecussions ie alot of ppeople dieing. from there we can look at people who from here on out try to pressure the bomb??

if you push too hard someone will eventually claim bomb, following the rest also claiming bomb.
you won't get anything out of it, just like people claiming VT's

however we know that only 1 person can e bommb so would make since for someone NOW to claim bob so that down the road if someon else claims bomb with pressure then we know most likley they are lieing.

The flaw is that once this happens, no one is going to falsely claim bomb, because they know it will just get them lynched. The only way this works is if the bomb keeps quiet, and only saves a counter-claim until after someone lies and claims bomb.

This is, in general, how it works for any claiming situation. It's one of the reasons why you don't want to claim your power role unless you have to. The other is obvious: once the bomb claims, the bomb becomes useless. Mafia know exactly who to avoid. One could imagine a gambit where a strong power role like the doc claims bomb to attempt to guarantee survival, but this is unlikely because they're risking getting lynched on a counter-claim, so it's unwise.